Russell Martin

[Saint in Paradise]

Tomorrow morning ( NZ is 13 hours ahead of UK winter time ) I will have the choice of watching

Saints vs Brighton or Harrogate Town vs Gainsborough Trinity on TV. So which should I watch for

proper Football, Crap Russball or League Two Harrogate in the FA Cup?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spoiler alert ....it will be Harrogate

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

But it's not my plan, you do realise that don't you? Because you've spent so long having a go at me for bringing it up you surely must think it is?

Maybe, as you say, you are just a simple urban lad.

Anyway, I've had my fun with you tonight, so I bid you adieu.

It's not even a real plan.

It's fucking insane to even suggest this is a legitimate plan. It's not.

It's just something Walter Mitty has made up in a desperate attempt to try and fit what is happening into a 'plan' rather than admit we're being run by clowns.

Just like the desperate attempts to justify the shit transfers because of psr innit something something. 

[Daft Kerplunk]

1 hour ago, verlaine1979 said:

This whole 'break the monopoly' line is such horseshit. Look at Dortmund - modest budget, modest debt, established as a great platform for young talent. They still lose their players every year. They still only get to win the league once a decade or so against the Bayern steamroller. There is no dynasty waiting to be created. There are just teams that play good football and teams that play shit football. And the football we currently play is navel-gazing, suffocating shit.

And if we’d been better run by people who didn’t fancy themselves too much (see the Southampton Way and Teachers of Football bollocks to Rasmus’ self love), Dortmund would’ve been the model, and still is a great model, to attempt to recreate. We of course wouldn’t achieve such high league positions but we’d be competitive. We are driven by money, Dortmund are motivated by putting the best team out on the pitch and developing the best players to make it happen, mixed with experienced heads. They also have very strong links with their fans. No reinventing or breaking things, just make good football teams with good players to play in them. Then put good mangers/head coaches or whatever to get the best results with the players available. Really flipping simple. 

Edited Thursday at 22:46 by Daft Kerplunk

[Mr X]

Shocked that he isn't sacked I don't think there's another premier league club that would accept these results combined with the egotistical comments on top of being in complete denial about the whole mess!  Sports republic are bad news just terrible decision making 

[verlaine1979]

2 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

And if we’d been better run by people who didn’t fancy themselves too much (see the Southampton Way and Teachers of Football bollocks to Rasmus’ self love), Dortmund would’ve been the model, and still is a great model, to attempt to recreate. We of course wouldn’t achieve such high league positions but we’d be competitive. We are driven by money, Dortmund are motivated by putting the best team out on the pitch and developing the best players to make it happen, mixed with experienced heads. They also have very strong links with their fans. No reinventing or breaking things, just make good football teams with good players to play in them. Really flipping simple. 

Brighton seem much closer to the model. Part of the Dortmund trading strategy typically involves gambling on several potential replacements any time a first teamer is sold. Saints on the other hand have largely always stuck to the one in, one out formula, which is inherently much riskier and prone to single points of failure.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, verlaine1979 said:

This whole 'break the monopoly' line is such horseshit. Look at Dortmund - modest budget, modest debt, established as a great platform for young talent. They still lose their players every year. They still only get to win the league once a decade or so against the Bayern steamroller. There is no dynasty waiting to be created. There are just teams that play good football and teams that play shit football. And the football we currently play is navel-gazing, suffocating shit.

But our dynasty is being created by taking soccerball to a while to level. This isn’t just about creating a good team this is a revolution. 

[Galway saint]

30 minutes ago, verlaine1979 said:

Brighton seem much closer to the model. Part of the Dortmund trading strategy typically involves gambling on several potential replacements any time a first teamer is sold. Saints on the other hand have largely always stuck to the one in, one out formula, which is inherently much riskier and prone to single points of failure.

I’d say there have been multiple points of failure where recruitment is concerned

Larios, Stewart, Bazunu, Orsic, Edozie, BBD, Sulemana etc etc 

 

[Wade Garrett]

6 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Maybe so. 

But maybe your response - which to be fair is what most Saints fans reading might think of my outre comment, is an example of Stockholm syndrome, Saints-style. 

Thats certainly something you might like to call BS on. But are you 100% sure I’m wrong?
 

Are Saints supporters coping with the perpetual failure of our club to ever win anything, to losing all our best players the minute they look like they might be any good , by harbouring positive feelings about our tormentors?
 

Instead of fighting them we love them. Instead of wanting to escape we aspire to be like them. Like poor urchins looking in the windows of a big store at Xmas time we get vicarious pleasure from their success- and our ongoing degradation. Saints will remain mediocre failures in perpetuity as long as we remain grateful to accept the crumbs of our masters. We will never win anything with that attitude. 
 

Something radical is required. Well, that’s what I believe. You surely don’t. Most don’t. Most think just a tweek here and a tweek a player or two then, okay, even play a bit more direct and get a nice shiny manager who has a reputation for doing good things and we got ourselves a team. Yeah, a team gonna finish 15th then 11th then get relegated when all our best players get swiped and start again.
 

Im so over that cycle. Seen it over and over and over again for 50plus tears. And I mean tears not years. 
 

Any alternative needs be radical. Or otherwise what’s the point? More of the same. And it will look mad. Yeah for sure it will look crazy. But, Look beyond penalty area kamikaze passing around and possession stats and just think Saints are not fucking playing your game your way anymore. We always fucking end up losing. Let me repeat that : WE ALWAYS END UP LOSING . So we going to lose doing it OUR way? Probably.
…… OR- maybe we crack the God mode code for football and start beating these mothers for once, keeping our players and winning stuff. Cue Russell Martin. Maybe he is too radical too mad zeromedals f all points to date. But he certainly brings game. Support him.

You’ve got too much time on your hands. 
Complete fucking drivel.

[Osvaldorama]

How is this fucking idiot still in charge?

Has he gone yet!?

[Mboto Gorge]

4 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

How is this fucking idiot still in charge?

Has he gone yet!?

Was Quicker to get rid of covid than this cunt

[Turkish]

33 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Was Quicker to get rid of covid than this cunt

Covid was also less infectious 

[Gloucester Saint]

8 hours ago, Turkish said:

Covid was also less infectious 

It seems to have infected the brains of significant numbers of the fanbase where abject failure is a prelude to hero worship. I cannot think of another club who has been in the top flight for most the post-1966 period who would think this was great. I know the schools in Southampton weren’t much cop but surely they aren’t THAT bad?

[tdmickey3]

Ryan Manning exclusive: Southampton defender on tactical tweaks which can secure Premier League survival | Football News | Sky Sports

 

🙄

[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It seems to have infected the brains of significant numbers of the fanbase where abject failure is a prelude to hero worship. I cannot think of another club who has been in the top flight for most the post-1966 period who would think this was great. I know the schools in Southampton weren’t much cop but surely they aren’t THAT bad?

Who are these people? We know Gio is a wind-up, so who else are you talking about?

[Gloucester Saint]

21 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Who are these people? We know Gio is a wind-up, so who else are you talking about?

Wasn’t aimed at you, and Gio is obviously Glasgow Saint etc but there’s a few others posting on here that genuinely reckon SR are doing a great job. I won’t pick out names but you’ll see them.

Which is astonishing considering their record so far. Gao left the club hollowed out but established in the PL and a solid team. What has followed has been incredibly bad, they’ve not got a clue and don’t seem to recognise the need to bring operational industry expertise to sort it out. That’s before you consider on the pitch the same type of mistakes are being made more or less game in, game out, with a struggling manager doubling down on deeply flawed methods. And it’s no given that we suddenly get into the autos next year. 

Edited Friday at 09:01 by Gloucester Saint

[Lee On Solent Saint]

14 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Wasn’t aimed at you, and Gio is obviously Glasgow Saint etc but there’s a few others posting on here that genuinely reckon SR are doing a great job. I won’t pick out names but you’ll see them.

Which is astonishing considering their record so far. Gao left the club hollowed out but established in the PL and a solid team. What has followed has been incredibly bad, they’ve not got a clue and don’t seem to recognise the need to bring operational industry expertise to sort it out. That’s before you consider on the pitch the same type of mistakes are being made more or less game in, game out, with a struggling manager doubling down on deeply flawed methods. And it’s no given that we suddenly get into the autos next year. 

I think the posters you are talking about are windup merchants. Either that or they have became so embellished in keeping up a charade that they can't back down now. 

[tdmickey3]

25 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I think the posters you are talking about are windup merchants. Either that or they have became so embellished in keeping up a charade that they can't back down now. 

They are the club PR

[lambtiss]

Just now, tdmickey3 said:

They are the club PR

Well, they are making a terrible job of it.

[tdmickey3]

Just now, lambtiss said:

Well, they are making a terrible job of it.

They are only convincing the easily led

[Colinjb]

1 minute ago, tdmickey3 said:

They are only convincing the easily led

So, each other then.

[gio1saints]

11 hours ago, verlaine1979 said:

This whole 'break the monopoly' line is such horseshit. Look at Dortmund - modest budget, modest debt, established as a great platform for young talent. They still lose their players every year. They still only get to win the league once a decade or so against the Bayern steamroller. There is no dynasty waiting to be created. There are just teams that play good football and teams that play shit football. And the football we currently play is navel-gazing, suffocating shit.

@verlaine1979I respect your POV but the style of football played is not really the key point.  My rebelliousness or stupidity if that’s what you see it as is because ultimately, we never win. And I do not see that changing. Unless other big things change. 

Saints do not win. Whatever style we play and have played in our history - and there’s been MANY variations - we do not end up winning the league winning the cup winning in Europe or even close. Thats the backdrop and our history and, frankly, our future. Whatever manager whatever style. We have had Poch, Koeman, Keegan, Bale and Shearer VVD and Mane - but we still never win. 

What we do, if we have had a bounty of great players all at same time plus manager, is have maybe a season or two in which we look competitive. Get to a Final perhaps. Then we sell and go back to being what we’ve always been. A feeder club to the clubs you say “ play better football”. Back to struggling Saints. 
 

No big revelation here but the main reason those other clubs  “ play better football” is because they are able to snatch the best players and the best managers from the other clubs like Saints year after year. Find outliers by all means but for the most part that’s the way it is. 
 

And how has that situation arisen and is it now locked in so that teams like Saints can never get to Top Table?? I think the answer is yes. And I resent it. 
 

Small aside : I actually thought the Liverpool match was the opposite of navel gazingly boring shit - but we all view matches differently. 

The ultimate outcome is pre ordained - and most Saints fans would have told you at 2-1 v Liverpool we were still going to lose this. Not in the sense of “ match -fixing” but on a deeper, structural way football is set up level.
 

My 50 years of watching Saints NOT win but supporting them throughout with a smile despite it all tells me that this is the status quo. Get over it I used to say to myself. Enjoy the little victories we are allowed. Enjoy some nice moments on a match day. Smile wryly in that Saints dark humour way when we lose again. I still do all that but here I’m espousing the other side if it as well. I can hold both beliefs simultaneously. 

 And in any case why should Saints fans and the rest of the also ran clubs in this grand money making scheme be too bothered about how we or they play ? Indeed, as long as it’s “ entertaining” what’s wrong? The gladiator contests were also meant to be entertaining. But watching the charade of  competitive football matches in this fixed system is sometimes too much even for my mature stomach. 

And this is the nub of the argument, why not do something counterintuitive like play in this almost freakish style of ours? If playing the game the way we have played it for 50 years with so many variations has delivered the square root of f all why not try this freakish way? Why not? Because we might lose even more? Because it’s humiliating? I think what’s humiliating is the big screen at SMS constantly replaying Bobby Stokes goal from 1976 as the highlight of our existence. Or beating Carlisle. Or those c ants on the TV smugly grinning when they talk about us. 
 

 

[gio1saints]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Who are these people? We know Gio is a wind-up, so who else are you talking about?

I am not. That is not correct. Lots of what you say is legitimate and informed even prescient but that comment is not one of them. 

[lambtiss]

6 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

I am not. That is not correct. Lots of what you say is legitimate and informed even prescient but that comment is not one of them. 

So, if you are not a wind-up; what do you think is the reason for us being bottom of the league?

[obelisk]

9 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

@verlaine1979I respect your POV but the style of football played is not really the key point.  My rebelliousness or stupidity if that’s what you see it as is because ultimately, we never win. And I do not see that changing. Unless other big things change. 

Saints do not win. Whatever style we play and have played in our history - and there’s been MANY variations - we do not end up winning the league winning the cup winning in Europe or even close. Thats the backdrop and our history and, frankly, our future. Whatever manager whatever style. We have had Poch, Koeman, Keegan, Bale and Shearer VVD and Mane - but we still never win. 

What we do, if we have had a bounty of great players all at same time plus manager, is have maybe a season or two in which we look competitive. Get to a Final perhaps. Then we sell and go back to being what we’ve always been. A feeder club to the clubs you say “ play better football”. Back to struggling Saints. 
 

No big revelation here but the main reason those other clubs  “ play better football” is because they are able to snatch the best players and the best managers from the other clubs like Saints year after year. Find outliers by all means but for the most part that’s the way it is. 
 

And how has that situation arisen and is it now locked in so that teams like Saints can never get to Top Table?? I think the answer is yes. And I resent it. 
 

Small aside : I actually thought the Liverpool match was the opposite of navel gazingly boring shit - but we all view matches differently. 

The ultimate outcome is pre ordained - and most Saints fans would have told you at 2-1 v Liverpool we were still going to lose this. Not in the sense of “ match -fixing” but on a deeper, structural way football is set up level.
 

My 50 years of watching Saints NOT win but supporting them throughout with a smile despite it all tells me that this is the status quo. Get over it I used to say to myself. Enjoy the little victories we are allowed. Enjoy some nice moments on a match day. Smile wryly in that Saints dark humour way when we lose again. I still do all that but here I’m espousing the other side if it as well. I can hold both beliefs simultaneously. 

 And in any case why should Saints fans and the rest of the also ran clubs in this grand money making scheme be too bothered about how we or they play ? Indeed, as long as it’s “ entertaining” what’s wrong? The gladiator contests were also meant to be entertaining. But watching the charade of  competitive football matches in this fixed system is sometimes too much even for my mature stomach. 

And this is the nub of the argument, why not do something counterintuitive like play in this almost freakish style of ours? If playing the game the way we have played it for 50 years with so many variations has delivered the square root of f all why not try this freakish way? Why not? Because we might lose even more? Because it’s humiliating? I think what’s humiliating is the big screen at SMS constantly replaying Bobby Stokes goal from 1976 as the highlight of our existence. Or beating Carlisle. Or those c ants on the TV smugly grinning when they talk about us. 
 

 

The faulty AI bot still hasn't been fixed then. I think it's suggesting that Saints should invent a new game other than football so that it can sometimes win. Or something. Back in the day it would be like taking the ball home I guess.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Wasn’t aimed at you, and Gio is obviously Glasgow Saint etc but there’s a few others posting on here that genuinely reckon SR are doing a great job. I won’t pick out names but you’ll see them.

Which is astonishing considering their record so far. Gao left the club hollowed out but established in the PL and a solid team. What has followed has been incredibly bad, they’ve not got a clue and don’t seem to recognise the need to bring operational industry expertise to sort it out. That’s before you consider on the pitch the same type of mistakes are being made more or less game in, game out, with a struggling manager doubling down on deeply flawed methods. And it’s no given that we suddenly get into the autos next year. 

So I've seen Fabrice29 and Lighthouse, but they seem to be very level-headed in their criticism rather than a fully-fledged fanatic. I'm not sure anyone reckons SR are doing a good job.

Tbh, there has been a lot of exaggeration and misrepresentation of people's opinions (including my own) from some very vocal and very forceful members of the forum. I think this has resulted in it looking like there are more controversial opinions and posters on this site than there actually are. The vast, vast, majority of posters think SR are doing a shit job and RM is doing a shit job and yet the majority of posts is people talking about the members that don't and then (as with Lee on Solent the other day) not being able to name them or give good examples of what was said. The forum has become an echo chamber of lies.

This is how Brexit happened.

 

Edited Friday at 10:14 by Farmer Saint

[coalman]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

So I've seen Fabrice29 and Lighthouse, but they seem to be very level-headed in their criticism rather than a fully-fledged fanatic. I'm not sure anyone reckons SR are doing a good job.

Tbh, there has been a lot of exaggeration and misrepresentation of people's opinions (including my own) from some very vocal and very forceful members of the forum. I think this has resulted in it looking like there are more controversial opinions and posters on this site than there actually are. The vast, vast, majority of posters think SR are doing a shit job and RM is doing a shit job.

 

History shows us that when Saints are shit this forum goes Lord of the Flies

[Farmer Saint]

24 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

I am not. That is not correct. Lots of what you say is legitimate and informed even prescient but that comment is not one of them. 

Ok, well I take that back then.

[Farmer Saint]

Who is Glasgow Saint by the way? He seems to be mentioned a lot like some sort of minor celebrity.

[tdmickey3]

50 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

@verlaine1979I respect your POV but the style of football played is not really the key point.  My rebelliousness or stupidity if that’s what you see it as is because ultimately, we never win. And I do not see that changing. Unless other big things change. 

Saints do not win. Whatever style we play and have played in our history - and there’s been MANY variations - we do not end up winning the league winning the cup winning in Europe or even close. Thats the backdrop and our history and, frankly, our future. Whatever manager whatever style. We have had Poch, Koeman, Keegan, Bale and Shearer VVD and Mane - but we still never win. 

What we do, if we have had a bounty of great players all at same time plus manager, is have maybe a season or two in which we look competitive. Get to a Final perhaps. Then we sell and go back to being what we’ve always been. A feeder club to the clubs you say “ play better football”. Back to struggling Saints. 
 

No big revelation here but the main reason those other clubs  “ play better football” is because they are able to snatch the best players and the best managers from the other clubs like Saints year after year. Find outliers by all means but for the most part that’s the way it is. 
 

And how has that situation arisen and is it now locked in so that teams like Saints can never get to Top Table?? I think the answer is yes. And I resent it. 
 

Small aside : I actually thought the Liverpool match was the opposite of navel gazingly boring shit - but we all view matches differently. 

The ultimate outcome is pre ordained - and most Saints fans would have told you at 2-1 v Liverpool we were still going to lose this. Not in the sense of “ match -fixing” but on a deeper, structural way football is set up level.
 

My 50 years of watching Saints NOT win but supporting them throughout with a smile despite it all tells me that this is the status quo. Get over it I used to say to myself. Enjoy the little victories we are allowed. Enjoy some nice moments on a match day. Smile wryly in that Saints dark humour way when we lose again. I still do all that but here I’m espousing the other side if it as well. I can hold both beliefs simultaneously. 

 And in any case why should Saints fans and the rest of the also ran clubs in this grand money making scheme be too bothered about how we or they play ? Indeed, as long as it’s “ entertaining” what’s wrong? The gladiator contests were also meant to be entertaining. But watching the charade of  competitive football matches in this fixed system is sometimes too much even for my mature stomach. 

And this is the nub of the argument, why not do something counterintuitive like play in this almost freakish style of ours? If playing the game the way we have played it for 50 years with so many variations has delivered the square root of f all why not try this freakish way? Why not? Because we might lose even more? Because it’s humiliating? I think what’s humiliating is the big screen at SMS constantly replaying Bobby Stokes goal from 1976 as the highlight of our existence. Or beating Carlisle. Or those c ants on the TV smugly grinning when they talk about us. 
 

 

...... as a box of frogs

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Who is Glasgow Saint by the way? He seems to be mentioned a lot like some sort of minor celebrity.

AKA Bournemouth Saint before that, popped up around the time we signed Victor Wanyama as a Kenyan poster ‘love and light’. Others will probably recall similar incarnations. Multiple bans but always pops up somewhere from a new email account. Professional WUM.

Agree with you on Lighthouse, a poster and mod I respect, we just disagree on Martin and Bazanu. Notnowcato is another genuine supporter and poster who simply has another view.

Can’t agree about Fabrice though, in the Gio camp for me. Or a plant.

Edited Friday at 12:41 by Gloucester Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

27 minutes ago, coalman said:

History shows us that when Saints are shit this forum goes Lord of the Flies

It does, it was worse in 08/09, bitterly divided (plus the Lowe paid plants stirring it up). 

[Farmer Saint]

11 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

AKA Bournemouth Saint before that, popped up around the time we signed Victor Wanyama as a Kenyan poster ‘love and light’. Others will probably recall similar incarnations. Multiple bans but always pops up somewhere from a new email account. Professional WUM.

Agree with you on Lighthouse, a poster and mod I respect, we just disagree on Martin and Bazanu. Can’t agree about Fabrice, in the Gio camp for me. 

Sounds great! I'm assuming there is every chance he has multiple accounts at any one time then?

Edited Friday at 10:51 by Farmer Saint

[Lee On Solent Saint]

38 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

So I've seen Fabrice29 and Lighthouse, but they seem to be very level-headed in their criticism rather than a fully-fledged fanatic. I'm not sure anyone reckons SR are doing a good job.

Tbh, there has been a lot of exaggeration and misrepresentation of people's opinions (including my own) from some very vocal and very forceful members of the forum. I think this has resulted in it looking like there are more controversial opinions and posters on this site than there actually are. The vast, vast, majority of posters think SR are doing a shit job and RM is doing a shit job and yet the majority of posts is people talking about the members that don't and then (as with Lee on Solent the other day) not being able to name them or give good examples of what was said. The forum has become an echo chamber of lies.

This is how Brexit happened.

 

This is precisely why I didn't mention them by name. I would no doubt be told by them that they aren't Martin fanboys/supporters or whatever and the perpetual cycle of arguments would continue to ensure. Am sick of arguing with other fans about the state of the club and Martin. Supporting us at the moment is no fun, going to games feels like a chore. Something has to change, but those in charge don't seem to give a shit what happens. 

[Whitey Grandad]

12 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

This is precisely why I didn't mention them by name. I would no doubt be told by them that they aren't Martin fanboys/supporters or whatever and the perpetual cycle of arguments would continue to ensure. Am sick of arguing with other fans about the state of the club and Martin. Supporting us at the moment is no fun, going to games feels like a chore. Something has to change, but those in charge don't seem to give a shit what happens. 

That’s because it is a chore

[Oldandtired]

2 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Ryan Manning exclusive: Southampton defender on tactical tweaks which can secure Premier League survival | Football News | Sky Sports

 

🙄

I note that he doesn’t make the obvious point that the team is better without him in it.

[miserableoldgit]

Does anyone know what Jordan Sibley's username is?

[Mr X]

8 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

Does anyone know what Jordan Sibley's username is?

Wallowing in missSibley 

[East Kent Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Sounds great! I'm assuming there is every chance he has multiple accounts at any one time then?

It was entertaining in its own way ! Very inventive , it took a while to unmask his new user name plus other posters were accused of being Glasgow on a regular basis 😄

[tdmickey3]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Who is Glasgow Saint by the way? He seems to be mentioned a lot like some sort of minor celebrity.

This is him

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Sounds great! I'm assuming there is every chance he has multiple accounts at any one time then?

In one of them he pretends to be a thick as shit Farmer. Go figure.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Sounds great! I'm assuming there is every chance he has multiple accounts at any one time then?

He did. It was funny the first time it was uncovered but by the time of the fake Kenyan it was tiresome. Their original ID was pre-Marcus, that’s how long they’ve been at it. From what I can remember, they had a serious obsession with gambling.

[CB Fry]

13 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

From what I can remember, they had a serious obsession with gambling.

The king of the insurance bet. From what we could gather he never lost a penny at the bookies his entire life.

[lambtiss]

No reply, so I guess you are just a wind-up?

[Farmer Saint]

3 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

This is precisely why I didn't mention them by name. I would no doubt be told by them that they aren't Martin fanboys/supporters or whatever and the perpetual cycle of arguments would continue to ensure. Am sick of arguing with other fans about the state of the club and Martin. Supporting us at the moment is no fun, going to games feels like a chore. Something has to change, but those in charge don't seem to give a shit what happens. 

I don't think it's that they don't give a shit - that's not how the World works - however if they have done what we think they've done then PL survival this season is not key to their strategy.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

He did. It was funny the first time it was uncovered but by the time of the fake Kenyan it was tiresome. Their original ID was pre-Marcus, that’s how long they’ve been at it. From what I can remember, they had a serious obsession with gambling.

Nice - there are a few weirdo's on this forum (some have an unhealthy obsession with me) - guess it's just par for the course that there are a few more.

Edited Friday at 14:16 by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

This is him

Be able to recognise him anywhere with that scar under his eye.

[Oldandtired]

12 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I don't think it's that they don't give a shit - that's not how the World works - however if they have done what we think they've done then PL survival this season is not key to their strategy.

Then why didn't they do the decent thing and make that abundantly clear before we all bought season tickets?

[Lee On Solent Saint]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I don't think it's that they don't give a shit - that's not how the World works - however if they have done what we think they've done then PL survival this season is not key to their strategy.

Maybe they do or don't, but just pretending everything in the garden is rosy is pretty insulting to the fans. 

[Tommy Mulgrew]

Quote from the Manning article on Sky Sports:

(interesting that we see the same mistakes game after game and we practice the same things every day.  I’ve yet to notice us dragging teams out of shape though)

But I think there's a lot of our play that comes from playing out from the back that leads to chances which wouldn't be there unless we had built up.

"That's about dragging teams into different shapes and different positions that they wouldn't normally be in.

"We are consistent in what we believe in and we practise the same things every day. Every training session is designed to make us better on a match day and at the end of the season, I feel like things will click and we'll be out of the bottom three by then.

"I think we'll be looking back and saying that it was just a tough period that we went through. It only takes one or two results to go your way and all of a sudden the picture changes a lot."

🤥

[Farmer Saint]

37 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

Then why didn't they do the decent thing and make that abundantly clear before we all bought season tickets?

That's just not something football clubs do - and it wasn't that they weren't going to try, just that they were going to take a less risky approach the Premier League. They have constantly banged on about this being a 10 year plan, whether being promoted first season was part of it or not, they must believe they are still on course (or have at least reviewed what that strategy looks like now).