Russell Martin

[Wade Garrett]

3 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

At the end of the day why would any prospective owner, be it Marcus or Dragan or Gao buy Southampton FC? None of them had posters of Mick Channon etc on their wall while there were growing up and none of them had stepped inside St Mary's before expressing an interest to buy, so the answer is they purchased SFC with the primary intent of making money. I think Markus got a kick out of it (we all saw that with his camera at the JPT final) and Kat (mainly because of her father's legacy and the interest shown by her son) was keen for the club to prosper. Gao couldn't give two hoots and now we have Dragan who has "become" a supporter but remains first and foremost a businessman who one day will be looking to sell on for a profit.

All this means the fans, whose main desires are to see a bit of success and some decent football are inevitably going to be at odds with whoever purchases us, unless we suddenly find a very wealthy Saints fan/owner out there (a la Stoke or Brighton). Unfortunately that is very unlikely unless Steve Grant becomes the new Elon Musk in 10 years.

So, the day we became a limited company via a dodgy reverse takeover, was the first step into "losing" our club and then when the private owner era took over we lost it completely. Sad but inevitable the way football is going and has gone. We can all shout and scream (and I am shouting and am as frustrated as the next guy) but at the end of the day the fans no longer have the clout we once had. The days of the Board heeding terrace unrest disappeared the afternoon Ian Branfoot packed his bags.

I agree with much of what you say.  I am convinced, however, that dissent being demonstrated by the fans would have an effect on the board.

[Wade Garrett]

11 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Anybody know how much profit the average EPL club makes? 

Don’t worry it’s not a trick question. 

The average EPL club does NOT make a profit. 

There are many ways to lose money owning a football club. Buying the club is the first and best way! There are Teams that are much higher up, play much better - or more effective - football and have way more points than us. And they don’t faff around playing kamikaze football in the penalty area either, usually. 

These Teams also have prestige trophies medals superstars history big stadia and more supporters than us. 

Many - most - Saints supporters want us to be like them -  trying to win in a rigged system, somehow.
 

Not many people come out and call it for what it is - a massive con - a gobsmackingly huge game of bait and switch.

The bait is the “ glory” - the bait is “ shirt sales” “image rights” “ transfer fees” “ Premier league money”  and most of all “ global prestige/ media love-in and sport-washing.
 

The switch happens when you look see under the bonnet after you bought one of these clubs. I see clubs carrying debt debt debt and shifting it around like some mental Ponzi scheme. And the clubs who are the cleverest at carrying and shifting carrying and shifting lots of debt usually win the medals the trophies have the superstars and supporters the prestige and the sportwashing also. 
 

It’s not even an English thing. Most the powerhouse euro clubs are have ridiculous debt. 
 

I don’t think SR have much “feeling” for that way of playing the game of football club ownership. Saints fans are right. They don’t know how to do proper football ownership. They haven’t even sacked RM yet when that’s what you are supposed to do. Get a bunch more debt on board like everyone else and get with the programme SR! 
 

No, that’s not my personal advice. My personal advice is stick two fingers up at the programme and defy the prevailing paradigm - and make money doing so. Unlike the rest of the clubs. RM is perfect in that context and despite not getting any points to date if god forbid we should actually make money AND win games then there’s going to be a revolution. But I don’t think the system will like that so the quicker they shut RM and this way of doing it down, the better. Too much money at stake to be allowed to prevail. 

Horseshit.

[miserableoldgit]

7 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

How many times must we have this same old discussion this season, we go round and round in circles just frustrating ourselves and getting nowhere, just like Martin and his troup of circus clowns.

Folk should just disconnect, stop going to matches and let the idiots upstairs at SMS just get on with it. They clearly regard it is as their club and not ours so why should we worry? Being a loyal supporter for 40, 50, 60 or 70 years proves only what gullible fools we have been.

It's hard to quit but it's proving even harder to stomach this insanity.

Totally with you! I have been watching Saints since the mid 50's and had a ST since 1974. I have seen just about everything that football can throw at us.....both good and bad....over that time, and have always loved it. What has changed is that for most of that time the supporters have felt appreciated and part of the club.....it's not like that now. Despite what is promoted, we are just customers. Some fairly recent interaction that I have had with the club proves this to me. For personal reasons, I haven't been able to attend the last three home games and for the first time ever, I haven't missed it......and that makes me sad. Rightly or wrongly it is almost a case of the owners don't actually seem to care about, or understand the culture surrounding the club and it's history.......just about money.

[coalman]

16 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

My personal advice is stick two fingers up at the programme and defy the prevailing paradigm - and make money doing so. Unlike the rest of the clubs. RM is perfect in that context and despite not getting any points to date if god forbid we should actually make money AND win games then there’s going to be a revolution. But I don’t think the system will like that so the quicker they shut RM and this way of doing it down, the better. Too much money at stake to be allowed to prevail. 

Russell Martin isn't winning games. Saints aren't making money. The system isn't trying to shut Russell Martin down. Other than that spot on.

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

The plan they have deployed on promotion seems 100% spend as little as possible, probably get relegated then be the richest club in the Championship. And go back up.

It's a shit plan because even if it works the team that "goes back up" is no further along than this team. So we'd be favourites to go down again and the same happy clappers as now will give it the "what do you expect be realistic" routine. Brilliant.

Are you being serious? You're going to parrot my thoughts - the ones you've been deriding for God knows how long - as something you now think is happening? What is written above is the definition of yo-yo.

Fucking hell.

[S-Clarke]

53 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

RM yet again saying how much he is enjoying managing in the premier league. 

These comments are odd really. From a fans perspective, I don't think I've ever felt as low as I do about us in the PL. Every week is a proper chore. It's not fun in any way for the people who pay the hard dollar to watch.

He might be enjoying it from his own personal ego perspective, but then that's what it's all about with him isn't it.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Indeed... it's so obvious that the journos in the room are wary about asking Russ 'tough' questions to avoid rattling the cage, and end up going for the 'safe' option instead....

The female made a nervous effort to ask him about Liverpool's first goal and he seemed to get a little prickly.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

These comments are odd really. From a fans perspective, I don't think I've ever felt as low as I do about us in the PL. Every week is a proper chore. It's not fun in any way for the people who pay the hard dollar to watch.

He might be enjoying it from his own personal ego perspective, but then that's what it's all about with him isn't it.

You'd be enjoying it a bit more if you were getting Russel's monthly pay check and knowing that, however shit you are, you'll still get a massive pay-off when you are finally sacked. It must help ease the pain a little.

[coalman]

10 minutes ago, saintant said:

The female made a nervous effort to ask him about Liverpool's first goal and he seemed to get a little prickly.

It feels like a Jonesian outburst is on the horizon. He does a little forced smile at the end of answers to questions he doesn't like too.

Edited November 28 by coalman

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

These comments are odd really. From a fans perspective, I don't think I've ever felt as low as I do about us in the PL. Every week is a proper chore. It's not fun in any way for the people who pay the hard dollar to watch.

He might be enjoying it from his own personal ego perspective, but then that's what it's all about with him isn't it.

Same here. Going to the game used to be an escape from the turgid regularity and boredom of everyday life. Now it’s the other way round.

[gio1saints]

2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Horseshit.

Maybe so. 

But maybe your response - which to be fair is what most Saints fans reading might think of my outre comment, is an example of Stockholm syndrome, Saints-style. 

Thats certainly something you might like to call BS on. But are you 100% sure I’m wrong?
 

Are Saints supporters coping with the perpetual failure of our club to ever win anything, to losing all our best players the minute they look like they might be any good , by harbouring positive feelings about our tormentors?
 

Instead of fighting them we love them. Instead of wanting to escape we aspire to be like them. Like poor urchins looking in the windows of a big store at Xmas time we get vicarious pleasure from their success- and our ongoing degradation. Saints will remain mediocre failures in perpetuity as long as we remain grateful to accept the crumbs of our masters. We will never win anything with that attitude. 
 

Something radical is required. Well, that’s what I believe. You surely don’t. Most don’t. Most think just a tweek here and a tweek a player or two then, okay, even play a bit more direct and get a nice shiny manager who has a reputation for doing good things and we got ourselves a team. Yeah, a team gonna finish 15th then 11th then get relegated when all our best players get swiped and start again.
 

Im so over that cycle. Seen it over and over and over again for 50plus tears. And I mean tears not years. 
 

Any alternative needs be radical. Or otherwise what’s the point? More of the same. And it will look mad. Yeah for sure it will look crazy. But, Look beyond penalty area kamikaze passing around and possession stats and just think Saints are not fucking playing your game your way anymore. We always fucking end up losing. Let me repeat that : WE ALWAYS END UP LOSING . So we going to lose doing it OUR way? Probably.
…… OR- maybe we crack the God mode code for football and start beating these mothers for once, keeping our players and winning stuff. Cue Russell Martin. Maybe he is too radical too mad zeromedals f all points to date. But he certainly brings game. Support him.

Edited November 28 by gio1saints

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, Football Special said:

https://x.com/AlfieHouseEcho/status/1862128930213249462?t=jyfd-buOSImUnk_N0ldFBw&s=19

Come on then,  who was it that gave Russ this positive feedback? Could have been a skate? 

 

 

3 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I reckon it was Gio, or Fabrice.

It was this bloke 

 

 

[miserableoldgit]

3 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Maybe so. 

But maybe your response - which to be fair is what most Saints fans reading might think of my outre comment, is an example of Stockholm syndrome, Saints-style. 

Thats certainly something you might like to call BS on. But are you 100% sure I’m wrong?
 

Are Saints supporters coping with the perpetual failure of our club to ever win anything, to losing all our best players the minute they look like they might be any good , by harbouring positive feelings about our tormentors?
 

Instead of fighting them we love them. Instead of wanting to escape we aspire to be like them. Like poor urchins looking in the windows of a big store at Xmas time we get vicarious pleasure from their success- and our ongoing degradation. Saints will remain mediocre failures in perpetuity as long as we remain grateful to accept the crumbs of our masters. We will never going to win anything with that attitude. 
 

Something radical is required. Well, that’s what I believe. You surely don’t. Most don’t. Most think just a tweek here and a tweek a player or two rhen, okay m, play a bit more direct get a nice shiny manager who has a reputation for doing good things and we got ourselves a team. Yeah, a team gonna finish 15th then 11th then get relegated when all our best players get swiped and start again.
 

Im so over that cycle. Seen it over and over and over again for 50plus tears. And I mean tears not years. 
 

Any alternative needs be radical. Or wise what’s the point? More of the same. And it will look mad. Yeah for sure it will look crazy. But, Look beyond penalty area passing around and just think Saints are not fucking playing your game your way anymore. We always fucking end up losing. So we going to lose doing it OUR way. OR- maybe we crack the God mode code for football and start beating these mothers for once, keeping our players and winning stuff. Cue Russell Martin. Maybe he is too radical too mad zeromedals f all point to date. But he certainly brings game. Support him.

Now.....I consider myself reasonably intelligent and quite well-read.....but I haven't a clue what any of this word-salad means....

[Whitey Grandad]

3 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Maybe so. 

But maybe your response - which to be fair is what most Saints fans reading might think of my outre comment, is an example of Stockholm syndrome, Saints-style. 

Thats certainly something you might like to call BS on. But are you 100% sure I’m wrong?
 

Are Saints supporters coping with the perpetual failure of our club to ever win anything, to losing all our best players the minute they look like they might be any good , by harbouring positive feelings about our tormentors?
 

Instead of fighting them we love them. Instead of wanting to escape we aspire to be like them. Like poor urchins looking in the windows of a big store at Xmas time we get vicarious pleasure from their success- and our ongoing degradation. Saints will remain mediocre failures in perpetuity as long as we remain grateful to accept the crumbs of our masters. We will never going to win anything with that attitude. 
 

Something radical is required. Well, that’s what I believe. You surely don’t. Most don’t. Most think just a tweek here and a tweek a player or two rhen, okay m, play a bit more direct get a nice shiny manager who has a reputation for doing good things and we got ourselves a team. Yeah, a team gonna finish 15th then 11th then get relegated when all our best players get swiped and start again.
 

Im so over that cycle. Seen it over and over and over again for 50plus tears. And I mean tears not years. 
 

Any alternative needs be radical. Or wise what’s the point? More of the same. And it will look mad. Yeah for sure it will look crazy. But, Look beyond penalty area passing around and just think Saints are not fucking playing your game your way anymore. We always fucking end up losing. So we going to lose doing it OUR way. OR- maybe we crack the God mode code for football and start beating these mothers for once, keeping our players and winning stuff. Cue Russell Martin. Maybe he is too radical too mad zeromedals f all point to date. But he certainly brings game. Support him.

Football has been around since medieval times. The Laws of the Game have been in effect since 1863. It is played by over 240 million people in more than 200 countries. It has developed into the beloved sport that we all used to love. Until now. 

Russell Martin is no new Messiah. His beloved style sucks the life and passion out of the game. The one and only objective of it is to score more goals than the opposition and you will never do that by playing pass the parcel in your own penalty area.

If there were some radical new way of playing the game it would have been found decades ago.

The longer this farce goes on the more I hate Russell Martin for what he has done to our club.

[obelisk]

18 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Maybe so. 

But maybe your response - which to be fair is what most Saints fans reading might think of my outre comment, is an example of Stockholm syndrome, Saints-style. 

Thats certainly something you might like to call BS on. But are you 100% sure I’m wrong?
 

Are Saints supporters coping with the perpetual failure of our club to ever win anything, to losing all our best players the minute they look like they might be any good , by harbouring positive feelings about our tormentors?
 

Instead of fighting them we love them. Instead of wanting to escape we aspire to be like them. Like poor urchins looking in the windows of a big store at Xmas time we get vicarious pleasure from their success- and our ongoing degradation. Saints will remain mediocre failures in perpetuity as long as we remain grateful to accept the crumbs of our masters. We will never win anything with that attitude. 
 

Something radical is required. Well, that’s what I believe. You surely don’t. Most don’t. Most think just a tweek here and a tweek a player or two then, okay, even play a bit more direct and get a nice shiny manager who has a reputation for doing good things and we got ourselves a team. Yeah, a team gonna finish 15th then 11th then get relegated when all our best players get swiped and start again.
 

Im so over that cycle. Seen it over and over and over again for 50plus tears. And I mean tears not years. 
 

Any alternative needs be radical. Or otherwise what’s the point? More of the same. And it will look mad. Yeah for sure it will look crazy. But, Look beyond penalty area kamikaze passing around and possession stats and just think Saints are not fucking playing your game your way anymore. We always fucking end up losing. Let me repeat that : WE ALWAYS END UP LOSING . So we going to lose doing it OUR way? Probably.
…… OR- maybe we crack the God mode code for football and start beating these mothers for once, keeping our players and winning stuff. Cue Russell Martin. Maybe he is too radical too mad zeromedals f all points to date. But he certainly brings game. Support him.

Is this the output of some sort of AI bot that needs reprogramming?

[SambaMaverick]

20 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Maybe so. 

But maybe your response - which to be fair is what most Saints fans reading might think of my outre comment, is an example of Stockholm syndrome, Saints-style. 

Thats certainly something you might like to call BS on. But are you 100% sure I’m wrong?
 

Are Saints supporters coping with the perpetual failure of our club to ever win anything, to losing all our best players the minute they look like they might be any good , by harbouring positive feelings about our tormentors?
 

Instead of fighting them we love them. Instead of wanting to escape we aspire to be like them. Like poor urchins looking in the windows of a big store at Xmas time we get vicarious pleasure from their success- and our ongoing degradation. Saints will remain mediocre failures in perpetuity as long as we remain grateful to accept the crumbs of our masters. We will never win anything with that attitude. 
 

Something radical is required. Well, that’s what I believe. You surely don’t. Most don’t. Most think just a tweek here and a tweek a player or two then, okay, even play a bit more direct and get a nice shiny manager who has a reputation for doing good things and we got ourselves a team. Yeah, a team gonna finish 15th then 11th then get relegated when all our best players get swiped and start again.
 

Im so over that cycle. Seen it over and over and over again for 50plus tears. And I mean tears not years. 
 

Any alternative needs be radical. Or otherwise what’s the point? More of the same. And it will look mad. Yeah for sure it will look crazy. But, Look beyond penalty area kamikaze passing around and possession stats and just think Saints are not fucking playing your game your way anymore. We always fucking end up losing. Let me repeat that : WE ALWAYS END UP LOSING . So we going to lose doing it OUR way? Probably.
…… OR- maybe we crack the God mode code for football and start beating these mothers for once, keeping our players and winning stuff. Cue Russell Martin. Maybe he is too radical too mad zeromedals f all points to date. But he certainly brings game. Support him.

So we are the footballing equivalent of a bloke who drinks Kestrel by the case and toots crack rocks every evening because life is too hard? Right... can I sign up twice?

[CB Fry]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Are you being serious? You're going to parrot my thoughts - the ones you've been deriding for God knows how long - as something you now think is happening? What is written above is the definition of yo-yo.

Fucking hell.

The difference is I think it is a shit plan.

[trousers]

30 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

Now.....I consider myself reasonably intelligent and quite well-read.....but I haven't a clue what any of this word-salad means....

It's Dusty Bin, all day long. 

[coalman]

40 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Maybe so. 

But maybe your response - which to be fair is what most Saints fans reading might think of my outre comment, is an example of Stockholm syndrome, Saints-style. 

Thats certainly something you might like to call BS on. But are you 100% sure I’m wrong?
 

Are Saints supporters coping with the perpetual failure of our club to ever win anything, to losing all our best players the minute they look like they might be any good , by harbouring positive feelings about our tormentors?
 

Instead of fighting them we love them. Instead of wanting to escape we aspire to be like them. Like poor urchins looking in the windows of a big store at Xmas time we get vicarious pleasure from their success- and our ongoing degradation. Saints will remain mediocre failures in perpetuity as long as we remain grateful to accept the crumbs of our masters. We will never win anything with that attitude. 
 

Something radical is required. Well, that’s what I believe. You surely don’t. Most don’t. Most think just a tweek here and a tweek a player or two then, okay, even play a bit more direct and get a nice shiny manager who has a reputation for doing good things and we got ourselves a team. Yeah, a team gonna finish 15th then 11th then get relegated when all our best players get swiped and start again.
 

Im so over that cycle. Seen it over and over and over again for 50plus tears. And I mean tears not years. 
 

Any alternative needs be radical. Or otherwise what’s the point? More of the same. And it will look mad. Yeah for sure it will look crazy. But, Look beyond penalty area kamikaze passing around and possession stats and just think Saints are not fucking playing your game your way anymore. We always fucking end up losing. Let me repeat that : WE ALWAYS END UP LOSING . So we going to lose doing it OUR way? Probably.
…… OR- maybe we crack the God mode code for football and start beating these mothers for once, keeping our players and winning stuff. Cue Russell Martin. Maybe he is too radical too mad zeromedals f all points to date. But he certainly brings game. Support him.

 

[benjii]

44 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 

It was this bloke 

 

 

Kris Akabusi?

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Anybody know how much profit the average EPL club makes? 

Don’t worry it’s not a trick question. 

The average EPL club does NOT make a profit. 

There are many ways to lose money owning a football club. Buying the club is the first and best way! There are Teams that are much higher up, play much better - or more effective - football and have way more points than us. And they don’t faff around playing kamikaze football in the penalty area either, usually. 

These Teams also have prestige trophies medals superstars history big stadia and more supporters than us. 

Many - most - Saints supporters want us to be like them -  trying to win in a rigged system, somehow.
 

Not many people come out and call it for what it is - a massive con - a gobsmackingly huge game of bait and switch.

The bait is the “ glory” - the bait is “ shirt sales” “image rights” “ transfer fees” “ Premier league money”  and most of all “ global prestige/ media love-in and sport-washing.
 

The switch happens when you look see under the bonnet after you bought one of these clubs. I see clubs carrying debt debt debt and shifting it around like some mental Ponzi scheme. And the clubs who are the cleverest at carrying and shifting carrying and shifting lots of debt usually win the medals the trophies have the superstars and supporters the prestige and the sportwashing also. 
 

It’s not even an English thing. Most the powerhouse euro clubs are have ridiculous debt. 
 

I don’t think SR have much “feeling” for that way of playing the game of football club ownership. Saints fans are right. They don’t know how to do proper football ownership. They haven’t even sacked RM yet when that’s what you are supposed to do. Get a bunch more debt on board like everyone else and get with the programme SR! 
 

No, that’s not my personal advice. My personal advice is stick two fingers up at the programme and defy the prevailing paradigm - and make money doing so. Unlike the rest of the clubs. RM is perfect in that context and despite not getting any points to date if god forbid we should actually make money AND win games then there’s going to be a revolution. But I don’t think the system will like that so the quicker they shut RM and this way of doing it down, the better. Too much money at stake to be allowed to prevail. 

was this the answer you got from chat GBT?

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

Maybe so. 

But maybe your response - which to be fair is what most Saints fans reading might think of my outre comment, is an example of Stockholm syndrome, Saints-style. 

Thats certainly something you might like to call BS on. But are you 100% sure I’m wrong?
 

Are Saints supporters coping with the perpetual failure of our club to ever win anything, to losing all our best players the minute they look like they might be any good , by harbouring positive feelings about our tormentors?
 

Instead of fighting them we love them. Instead of wanting to escape we aspire to be like them. Like poor urchins looking in the windows of a big store at Xmas time we get vicarious pleasure from their success- and our ongoing degradation. Saints will remain mediocre failures in perpetuity as long as we remain grateful to accept the crumbs of our masters. We will never win anything with that attitude. 
 

Something radical is required. Well, that’s what I believe. You surely don’t. Most don’t. Most think just a tweek here and a tweek a player or two then, okay, even play a bit more direct and get a nice shiny manager who has a reputation for doing good things and we got ourselves a team. Yeah, a team gonna finish 15th then 11th then get relegated when all our best players get swiped and start again.
 

Im so over that cycle. Seen it over and over and over again for 50plus tears. And I mean tears not years. 
 

Any alternative needs be radical. Or otherwise what’s the point? More of the same. And it will look mad. Yeah for sure it will look crazy. But, Look beyond penalty area kamikaze passing around and possession stats and just think Saints are not fucking playing your game your way anymore. We always fucking end up losing. Let me repeat that : WE ALWAYS END UP LOSING . So we going to lose doing it OUR way? Probably.
…… OR- maybe we crack the God mode code for football and start beating these mothers for once, keeping our players and winning stuff. Cue Russell Martin. Maybe he is too radical too mad zeromedals f all points to date. But he certainly brings game. Support him.

We all know you're on a wind-up.

[lambtiss]

1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

Maybe so. 

But maybe your response - which to be fair is what most Saints fans reading might think of my outre comment, is an example of Stockholm syndrome, Saints-style. 

Thats certainly something you might like to call BS on. But are you 100% sure I’m wrong?
 

Are Saints supporters coping with the perpetual failure of our club to ever win anything, to losing all our best players the minute they look like they might be any good , by harbouring positive feelings about our tormentors?
 

Instead of fighting them we love them. Instead of wanting to escape we aspire to be like them. Like poor urchins looking in the windows of a big store at Xmas time we get vicarious pleasure from their success- and our ongoing degradation. Saints will remain mediocre failures in perpetuity as long as we remain grateful to accept the crumbs of our masters. We will never win anything with that attitude. 
 

Something radical is required. Well, that’s what I believe. You surely don’t. Most don’t. Most think just a tweek here and a tweek a player or two then, okay, even play a bit more direct and get a nice shiny manager who has a reputation for doing good things and we got ourselves a team. Yeah, a team gonna finish 15th then 11th then get relegated when all our best players get swiped and start again.
 

Im so over that cycle. Seen it over and over and over again for 50plus tears. And I mean tears not years. 
 

Any alternative needs be radical. Or otherwise what’s the point? More of the same. And it will look mad. Yeah for sure it will look crazy. But, Look beyond penalty area kamikaze passing around and possession stats and just think Saints are not fucking playing your game your way anymore. We always fucking end up losing. Let me repeat that : WE ALWAYS END UP LOSING . So we going to lose doing it OUR way? Probably.
…… OR- maybe we crack the God mode code for football and start beating these mothers for once, keeping our players and winning stuff. Cue Russell Martin. Maybe he is too radical too mad zeromedals f all points to date. But he certainly brings game. Support him.

You need to get out more (once?) 

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

The difference is I think it is a shit plan.

I never said it was a good plan. Literally never. Just that is what was happening and I can see why they're doing it.

Edited November 28 by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

On 26/11/2024 at 20:45, CB Fry said:

Of course this yo yo stuff is all horseshit on this forum. 

Oh, turns out you're lying.

[trousers]

45 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We all know you're on a wind-up.

Sssshhhh.... It's more fun if our little north of the border chum remains blissfully ignorant... 

Edited November 28 by trousers

[trousers]

Now, here's a proper manager...

 

[CB Fry]

15 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Oh, turns out you're lying.

Stick to the milking because you're incapable of reading an entire post.

[Oldandtired]

2 hours ago, gio1saints said:

But are you 100% sure I’m wrong?

Since you ask yes.
 

Pretty much 100% of the pompous crap you pen is.

[lambtiss]

1 minute ago, Oldandtired said:

Since you ask yes.
 

Pretty much 100% of the pompous crap you pen is.

Damn, I missed the post that made sense

[Colinjb]

2 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Any alternative needs be radical. Or otherwise what’s the point? More of the same. And it will look mad. Yeah for sure it will look crazy. But, Look beyond penalty area kamikaze passing around and possession stats and just think Saints are not fucking playing your game your way anymore. We always fucking end up losing. Let me repeat that : WE ALWAYS END UP LOSING . So we going to lose doing it OUR way? Probably.
…… OR- maybe we crack the God mode code for football and start beating these mothers for once, keeping our players and winning stuff. Cue Russell Martin. Maybe he is too radical too mad zeromedals f all points to date. But he certainly brings game. Support him.

No

[CB Fry]

39 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I never said it was a good plan. Literally never. Just that is what was happening and I can see why they're doing it.

Well, all I can say is you get awfully tetchy when people take the piss out of their shit plan and your pompous pronouncements on it.

If you want people to think you don't believe what they are doing is right my recommendation would be to stop coming over as a salivating fan-boy over Russell Martin and the entire club leadership.

[Toussaint]

2 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Maybe so. 

But maybe your response - which to be fair is what most Saints fans reading might think of my outre comment, is an example of Stockholm syndrome, Saints-style. 

Thats certainly something you might like to call BS on. But are you 100% sure I’m wrong?
 

Are Saints supporters coping with the perpetual failure of our club to ever win anything, to losing all our best players the minute they look like they might be any good , by harbouring positive feelings about our tormentors?
 

Instead of fighting them we love them. Instead of wanting to escape we aspire to be like them. Like poor urchins looking in the windows of a big store at Xmas time we get vicarious pleasure from their success- and our ongoing degradation. Saints will remain mediocre failures in perpetuity as long as we remain grateful to accept the crumbs of our masters. We will never win anything with that attitude. 
 

Something radical is required. Well, that’s what I believe. You surely don’t. Most don’t. Most think just a tweek here and a tweek a player or two then, okay, even play a bit more direct and get a nice shiny manager who has a reputation for doing good things and we got ourselves a team. Yeah, a team gonna finish 15th then 11th then get relegated when all our best players get swiped and start again.
 

Im so over that cycle. Seen it over and over and over again for 50plus tears. And I mean tears not years. 
 

Any alternative needs be radical. Or otherwise what’s the point? More of the same. And it will look mad. Yeah for sure it will look crazy. But, Look beyond penalty area kamikaze passing around and possession stats and just think Saints are not fucking playing your game your way anymore. We always fucking end up losing. Let me repeat that : WE ALWAYS END UP LOSING . So we going to lose doing it OUR way? Probably.
…… OR- maybe we crack the God mode code for football and start beating these mothers for once, keeping our players and winning stuff. Cue Russell Martin. Maybe he is too radical too mad zeromedals f all points to date. But he certainly brings game. Support him.

Gio, let’s assume Martin isn’t the worst premier league manager, ever. Just for a minute. There is no possibility of levelling the football playing field by introducing a revolutionary style. If there was, it would be sussed out very quickly, the bigger and better clubs, with better players and managers would work it out after a couple of games and render itv ineffective. I don’t care about breaking throats glass ceiling, I don’t want to attract an additional 20k of glory hunting fans and tourists, it’s not us. We are a small town club, we have little or no potential to get bigger and sustain it any more than any club like us from a city our size. Until SR took over we have historically punched above our weight just by surviving in the top flight and bloodying a few noses along the way. I don’t want any more than we had under Strachan, Poch and Koeman. We could do that with a decent owner and manager (whole footballing setup). This increasingly looks unlikely with SR’s current set and the absolute chancer of a manager. 

[Farmer Saint]

29 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Stick to the milking because you're incapable of reading an entire post.

I read the whole post, but you said the yo-yo thing on this forum was horseshit. You then said don't believe the bullshitters. 2 different things.

- Horseshit is an all-purpose term for condemnation.

- Bullshit is a term for lying.

I should know the difference, I'm a farmer, and I can smell both on you.

Edited November 28 by Farmer Saint

[CB Fry]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

I read the whole post, but you said the yo-yo thing on this forum was horseshit. You then said don't believe the bullshitters. 2 different things.

- Horseshit is an all-purpose term for condemnation.

- Bullshit is a term for lying.

I should know the difference, I'm a farmer, and I can smell both on you.

As I say, stick to the milking and read it again.

[Farmer Saint]

18 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Well, all I can say is you get awfully tetchy when people take the piss out of their shit plan and your pompous pronouncements on it.

If you want people to think you don't believe what they are doing is right my recommendation would be to stop coming over as a salivating fan-boy over Russell Martin and the entire club leadership.

You're so full of shit it's hilarious - you're backpedaling so fast you're becoming a blur.

Look, just because I don't get hysterical like yourself and try to be measured in my criticism doesn't mean I'm a fanboy, just means I'm not as emotional about football as a lot of people on here, including yourself.

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

As I say, stick to the milking and read it again.

Look, stop being such a little bitch and apologise. We all make mistakes, no-ones perfect. It's fine.

If you're lucky, I may even accept your apology.

[Chewy]

This place …

still, only 9 months until the new season when things will finally start looking up and everyone will be in a better mood. So chin up everyone, it’s not long now 

[CB Fry]

31 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Look, stop being such a little bitch and apologise. We all make mistakes, no-ones perfect. It's fine.

If you're lucky, I may even accept your apology.

Try really hard and read it again. I dont want to spoonfeed you, it's embarrassing, but just have a think who that post is about.

But, obviously, priorities. Don't let me keep you from sorting out the drainage in the lower field.

 

[CB Fry]

38 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

 

Look, just because I don't get hysterical like yourself and try to be measured in my criticism doesn't mean I'm a fanboy, just means I'm not as emotional about football as a lot of people on here, including yourself.

 

Next time you go on one of your Yoga Zen away days, can you hook me up please? I've always admired your measured calmness.

 

35 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Look, stop being such a little bitch and apologise.

 

23 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

I've tried to explain it many, MANY times but he is either willfully ignorant or thick as shit, as well as being an despicable cretin of a human being. I think it's a mixture of all 3 tbh.

 

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Try really hard and read it again. I dont want to spoonfeed you, it's embarrassing, but just have a think who that post is about.

But, obviously, priorities. Don't let me keep you from sorting out the drainage in the lower field.

 

My priority is very low on this one, so would appreciate it if you could spoon-feed me please - try not to get too hysterical whilst doing it though. I feel you owe me that considering you've been criticising the idea of a yo-yo club strategy for as long as I've said it.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, CB Fry said:

 

Next time you go on one of your Yoga Zen away days, can you hook me up please? I've always admired your measured calmness.

 

 

 

Love that I've rattled you 🤣

[CB Fry]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

My priority is very low on this one, so would appreciate it if you could spoon-feed me please - try not to get too hysterical whilst doing it though. I feel you owe me that considering you've been criticising the idea of a yo-yo club strategy for as long as I've said it.

I've said it is a shit plan. I'm a simple urban lad, I don't know country ways. Maybe you people have shit for Christmas dinner or something.

On my planet shit is bad. It's a shit plan. 

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I've said it is a shit plan. I'm a simple urban lad, I don't know country ways. Maybe you people have shit for Christmas dinner or something.

On my planet shit is bad. It's a shit plan. 

But it's not my plan, you do realise that don't you? Because you've spent so long having a go at me for bringing it up you surely must think it is?

Maybe, as you say, you are just a simple urban lad.

Anyway, I've had my fun with you tonight, so I bid you adieu.

Edited November 28 by Farmer Saint

[CB Fry]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

But it's not my plan, you do realise that don't you? Because you've spent so long having a go at me for bringing it up you surely must think it is?

Honestly now I don't know what on earth you're talking about.

Put the bottle down and get on with bringing in the sheaves or something.

[Whitey Grandad]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

But it's not my plan, you do realise that don't you? Because you've spent so long having a go at me for bringing it up you surely must think it is?

I’m sure you’d like it to be 🥴

[Ekelund]

[stknowle]

3 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Maybe so. 

But maybe your response - which to be fair is what most Saints fans reading might think of my outre comment, is an example of Stockholm syndrome, Saints-style. 

Thats certainly something you might like to call BS on. But are you 100% sure I’m wrong?
 

Are Saints supporters coping with the perpetual failure of our club to ever win anything, to losing all our best players the minute they look like they might be any good , by harbouring positive feelings about our tormentors?
 

Instead of fighting them we love them. Instead of wanting to escape we aspire to be like them. Like poor urchins looking in the windows of a big store at Xmas time we get vicarious pleasure from their success- and our ongoing degradation. Saints will remain mediocre failures in perpetuity as long as we remain grateful to accept the crumbs of our masters. We will never win anything with that attitude. 
 

Something radical is required. Well, that’s what I believe. You surely don’t. Most don’t. Most think just a tweek here and a tweek a player or two then, okay, even play a bit more direct and get a nice shiny manager who has a reputation for doing good things and we got ourselves a team. Yeah, a team gonna finish 15th then 11th then get relegated when all our best players get swiped and start again.
 

Im so over that cycle. Seen it over and over and over again for 50plus tears. And I mean tears not years. 
 

Any alternative needs be radical. Or otherwise what’s the point? More of the same. And it will look mad. Yeah for sure it will look crazy. But, Look beyond penalty area kamikaze passing around and possession stats and just think Saints are not fucking playing your game your way anymore. We always fucking end up losing. Let me repeat that : WE ALWAYS END UP LOSING . So we going to lose doing it OUR way? Probably.
…… OR- maybe we crack the God mode code for football and start beating these mothers for once, keeping our players and winning stuff. Cue Russell Martin. Maybe he is too radical too mad zeromedals f all points to date. But he certainly brings game. Support him.

…

Edited November 28 by stknowle

[verlaine1979]

This whole 'break the monopoly' line is such horseshit. Look at Dortmund - modest budget, modest debt, established as a great platform for young talent. They still lose their players every year. They still only get to win the league once a decade or so against the Bayern steamroller. There is no dynasty waiting to be created. There are just teams that play good football and teams that play shit football. And the football we currently play is navel-gazing, suffocating shit.

[Miltonaggro]

3 hours ago, Turkish said:

was this the answer you got from chat GBT?

By the look of it Chat BJ-T