Russell Martin

[derry]

Taking the logic of planning with less than a third of the season over that we are already relegated in order to get promotion next season that Martin is the manager to return us to the Premier League. Taking it a stage further at that point he should be sacked as he is out of his depth in the Premier League.

Personally I think he should have been sacked already and a manager that can use what resources we have plus the transfer window to give it a good go in the last 26 matches. Martin's tactics are a busted flush.

[Gloucester Saint]

5 minutes ago, derry said:

Taking the logic of planning with less than a third of the season over that we are already relegated in order to get promotion next season that Martin is the manager to return us to the Premier League. Taking it a stage further at that point he should be sacked as he is out of his depth in the Premier League.

Personally I think he should have been sacked already and a manager that can use what resources we have plus the transfer window to give it a good go in the last 26 matches. Martin's tactics are a busted flush.

What is most astonishing is that despite having been a PL defender not that long ago, his teams concede an average of 2.5 goals a game.

And he doesn’t see not being able to set up the basics of a defence as problem. For a promoted side to concede 60+ goals is shocking, even with Bognor Regis Town’s goalkeeper for most of the season.

I don’t have anything against him as a bloke, I just don’t rate him at all at what he gets paid for, same as Branfoot and Pellegrino. Nathan Jones was dislikable but his teams’ defensive records are miles better.

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, Football Special said:

Last I heard was Martin had been assured he had the backing of the board, could have changed last few weeks but I really think they're going to keep sticking with him

I think it’s simply a case of “rabbits I the headlights”, they just don’t know what course of action to take. SR lost two successive directors of football, it seems now the biggest error was in not replacing Wilcox as a matter of urgency. From what I can see there is no meaningful footballing knowledge above Martin’s, which is possibly why they are buying his line that it will all click and come good. I don’t believe for a minute they are happy with the romanticised concept of relegation and returning stronger that seems to be a view held by some on here. 

[Football Special]

Just now, Toussaint said:

I think it’s simply a case of “rabbits I the headlights”, they just don’t know what course of action to take. SR lost two successive directors of football, it seems now the biggest error was in not replacing Wilcox as a matter of urgency. From what I can see there is no meaningful footballing knowledge above Martin’s, which is possibly why they are buying his line that it will all click and come good. I don’t believe for a minute they are happy with the romanticised concept of relegation and returning stronger that seems to be a view held by some on here. 

Completely agree, they're out of their depth and also sacking Martin brings more attention on the board,at least for now he'll take the brunt of the criticism 

[pingpong]

They'll not sack him as long as he is meeting targets, i think we'd have to underperform for them to pull the trigger.

We're exactly where we were predicted to be, most games we've been within 1 or two goals of the opponent, and we've only lost one game by a 3 or more goal margin, not sure anyone else could have done any better than that.

[Challenger]

1 hour ago, Hemp said:

Everyday i come on here hoping there may be a snippet from someone ITK that the board are not happy with the situation,rumours of us considering other avenues etc but the silence is deafining from the club. 

So it appears they are quite content to keep losing, quite happy to keep collecting unwanted records and quite happy for us to have a very good chance of becoming the worst premiership team in history. 

Lot of talk about hate on hear. I dont hate anyone but i hate the way our club is being run and i hate the fact that we are a premiership team with a manager who has failed abysmly and seemingly has the green light to continue failing.

We have sacked managers of a far higher calibre than martin in my lifetime for a lot less than 4 points from 36. 

Why is the club not doing something to at least try and change this horror of a season 🤷

 

I can only come to the conclusion that they haven't got a single Idea what to do. I can't see any other reason.

[Andy Hill]

Can we pls swap RM for the current Swansea manager ?? 

[lambtiss]

8 minutes ago, pingpong said:

They'll not sack him as long as he is meeting targets, i think we'd have to underperform for them to pull the trigger.

We're exactly where we were predicted to be, most games we've been within 1 or two goals of the opponent, and we've only lost one game by a 3 or more goal margin, not sure anyone else could have done any better than that.

So, according to this narrative the preseason discussion with the Board went something like.... Russell, by the end of November after a series of easier fixtures at the start of the season we would like you to aim to be adrift at the bottom of the league, with half the points of the nearest side, with the worst goal difference and to have only a third of the points of the previous relegation debacle. Oh, I nearly forgot please try to make sure that your tactics are derided by every pundit and journalist worth his salt. 

That will be all.. 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, lambtiss said:

So, according to this narrative the preseason discussion with the Board went something like.... Russell, by the end of November after a series of easier fixtures at the start of the season we would like you to aim to be adrift at the bottom of the league, with half the points of the nearest side, with the worst goal difference and to have only a third of the points of the previous relegation debacle. Oh, I nearly forgot please try to make sure that your tactics are derided by every pundit and journalist worth his salt. 

That will be all.. 

You've missed the most important metric of possession.

People keep harping on about those completely irrelevant points things...

[lambtiss]

3 minutes ago, Andy Hill said:

Can we pls swap RM for the current Swansea manager ?? 

To be fair, the Swansea ball retrieval team would probably be more tactically aware

[The Kraken]

23 minutes ago, pingpong said:

We're exactly where we were predicted to be

Are we?

OK, hands up. Who said in pre season “come December we’ll be on course for the worst points total in Premier League history”.

Edit. I think my sarcasmometer may not be working. Long day…..

Edited 2 hours ago by The Kraken

[lambtiss]

Just now, The Kraken said:

Are we?

OK, hands up. Who said in pre season “come December we’ll be on course for the worst points total in Premier League history”.

Well, the poster called pingpong apparently

[Weston Super Saint]

Just now, The Kraken said:

Are we?

OK, hands up. Who said in pre season “come December we’ll be on course for the worst points total in Premier League history”.

After spending millions on Ramsdale and paying him many thousands of pounds per week....

Dumb people like Farmer Giles claiming this is all part of the cunning plan, but the exact same result could have been achieved without spending a single penny in the transfer window, let alone arranging loans.

[Toussaint]

8 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

After spending millions on Ramsdale and paying him many thousands of pounds per week....

Dumb people like Farmer Giles claiming this is all part of the cunning plan, but the exact same result could have been achieved without spending a single penny in the transfer window, let alone arranging loans.

Thats a very good point, obvious now you say it, but what would be the point of spending a single penny. We could have sold every player with a tangible value and played the U23’s which would have achieved only slightly worse points total. 

[Farmer Saint]

13 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Are we?

OK, hands up. Who said in pre season “come December we’ll be on course for the worst points total in Premier League history”.

Edit. I think my sarcasmometer may not be working. Long day…..

Yeah, I don't think anyone foresaw it being this bad. I thought we were favourites for relegation, and with less points than last time due to a far worse team, but yeah, it's been rubbish.

But where the strategy seems to be that we covered our bases financially to mean relegation doesn't matter, I guess we'll just have to suffer longer.

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Thats a very good point, obvious now you say it, but what would be the point of spending a single penny. We could have sold every player with a tangible value and played the U23’s which would have achieved only slightly worse points total. 

But we needed to pick up players for next season in the Championship with the pull of the PL. We probably wouldn't have signed those players had we waited for next season to sign them as they wouldn't have been interested.

It doesn't surprise me that Weston is misunderstanding it, I've tried to explain it many, MANY times but he is either willfully ignorant or thick as shit, as well as being an despicable cretin of a human being. I think it's a mixture of all 3 tbh.

Edited 1 hour ago by Farmer Saint

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Hate is such a strong word, especially when it's based upon a perceived opinion -

 

Can an opinion be perceived?
 

Can hate be considered a strong word when talking about this arrogant  cock? 

[Oldandtired]

Right now I wish we were Leicester…

[Hemp]

Quick look at the swansea forum just now. Posted yesterday, sound familiar.

When will Russell Martin learn on 07:33 - Nov 25 with 433 views

Dr_Winston

If Russell Martin was capable of learning then he wouldn't be Russell Martin. Six years of management and he's still setting his defences up to fail. As to why people keep bringing him up, considering he wasted two years of our time, resources and a pretty good squad on trying to make himself rather than us look good, then had the temerity to try and blame someone else for it even after he'd left, personally I intend to revel in his every professional failure from here on in. Especially one as much fun as this.

[SWLondon Saint]

4 minutes ago, Hemp said:

Quick look at the swansea forum just now. Posted yesterday, sound familiar.

When will Russell Martin learn on 07:33 - Nov 25 with 433 views

Dr_Winston

If Russell Martin was capable of learning then he wouldn't be Russell Martin. Six years of management and he's still setting his defences up to fail. As to why people keep bringing him up, considering he wasted two years of our time, resources and a pretty good squad on trying to make himself rather than us look good, then had the temerity to try and blame someone else for it even after he'd left, personally I intend to revel in his every professional failure from here on in. Especially one as much fun as this.

Pretty much sums it up. Out of his depth, cares more about himself than the club, can't organise a defence, blames other people.

[Weston Super Saint]

42 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

But we needed to pick up players for next season in the Championship with the pull of the PL. We probably wouldn't have signed those players had we waited for next season to sign them as they wouldn't have been interested.

It doesn't surprise me that Weston is misunderstanding it, I've tried to explain it many, MANY times but he is either willfully ignorant or thick as shit, as well as being an despicable cretin of a human being. I think it's a mixture of all 3 tbh.

Bless the thick Farmer.

[CB Fry]

17 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

Right now I wish we were Leicester…

Leicester have appointed three managers in the time we've had Martin and all three are better than he is.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

Leicester have appointed three managers in the time we've had Martin and all three are better than he is.

Yeh, but chopping and changing something something.

[CB Fry]

46 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

he is either willfully ignorant or thick as shit, as well as being an despicable cretin of a human being. I think it's a mixture of all 3 tbh.

Someone's been on the Scrumpy.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

Someone's been on the Scrumpy.

Those in glass houses....

[Weston Super Saint]

49 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

But we needed to pick up players for next season in the Championship with the pull of the PL. We probably wouldn't have signed those players had we waited for next season to sign them as they wouldn't have been interested.

 

No, you're absolutely right. If we had not signed a single player this Summer, banked the PL cash for the season, there wouldn't have been a single player available for us to sign for the Championship next season. Not one. They would all be 'unavailable'.

Good job we acted when we did. We'd never be caught with our pants down. No siree!

 

[CB Fry]

54 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

But we needed to pick up players for next season in the Championship with the pull of the PL. We probably wouldn't have signed those players had we waited for next season to sign them as they wouldn't have been interested.

But we're staying down for two entire seasons this time right? 

I've been led to believe that is, in fact, the masterplan?

No surprise those players snapped our hands off for that irresistible offer of 92 guaranteed Championship games to have the chance to be selected for.

 

[CB Fry]

All joking aside, the idea that we could have missed out on signing Nathan Wood really doesn't bear thinking about.

[trousers]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

I've tried to explain it many, MANY times

 

[notnowcato]

2 hours ago, Zorba said:

I think you are seriously over-rating RM comparing him with any of those managers above (including HR and SD). He is much more comparable with Billy Davies and Paul Jewell. Just as some players are just not good enough for the Premier League, so are some managers. Both of those managers (BD & PJ) achieved promotion with different clubs to the Prem but failed miserably as PL managers at every attempt (although I think Jewell managed to keep Wigan up by the skin of their teeth - which probably makes him a better manager than Russ on paper). The pair finally combining in a joint venture that consigned Derby to the history books.. A record that looked set in stone until now. 

RM may come good for someone in the future (I don't think he will) but we need change now and the bottom line is RM doesn't know how to win games at this level.. just like he won't do in two years time if we stick with him and manage to fluke another promotion.

Re-read my post, I wasn’t comparing RM with any of the managers. 

[Charlie Wayman]

At the moment we are the second worst team on the south coast. If we go down we could end up being the worst. Think about that, having to tip our hats to Pompey…..

That should awaken the fighting spirit at St Mary's. What a hideous prospect.

Edited 49 minutes ago by Charlie Wayman

[Weston Super Saint]

13 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

All joking aside, the idea that we could have missed out on signing Nathan Wood really doesn't bear thinking about.

And as for Kuryu Matsuki, if we hadn't acted so quickly and decisively we could have easily missed out there.

[SotonianWill]

1 hour ago, Oldandtired said:

Right now I wish we were Leicester…

Have you been there?

[Galway saint]

Imagine next season if RM is still here, we are still passing it from side to side and back again and Baz is back between the sticks 

Don’t think I could face it 

[Fabrice29]

2 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Are we?

OK, hands up. Who said in pre season “come December we’ll be on course for the worst points total in Premier League history”.

Edit. I think my sarcasmometer may not be working. Long day…..

When people say this what do they actually mean out of interest? Cant be arsed to get into a debate about the team btw, just what's the math behind this?