Russell Martin

[CB Fry]

27 minutes ago, Chewy said:

In simple terms, with PSR being an ongoing issue, where in the world does getting millions and millions of extra income from being in the premier league this season equate to being worse for the long-term of the club than not having that money. 
Even under this bunch of cretins I can hardly see them thinking “well that’s our plans f***ed, we’ve got millions more to play with than we planned for.”

Although, maybe that’s why they spaffed a few million on BBD, Wood, Edwards, Archer and Cornet. Just trying desperately to get rid of all the horrible unwanted extra cash.

Or maybe you’re talking rubbish 🤷🏻‍♂️

Exactly.

Does this genius think the "two years down" thing starts again next season (so we simply must stay down 25/6 and 26/7 for the greater good) or not?

Absolutely copper-bottomed bullshit that the best thing for this club in any year is to start with less money and fewer prospects than we could otherwise get. Absolute nonsense.

[Farmer Saint]

15 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

How anyone can defend a manager with a worse record than Jones, Selles and fucking Steve Wigley is absolutely beyond me. 
 

He’s really managed to cast a spell on the owners and some of the fans. 
 

I don't think any actually is fully defending him, but I think people are dispelling the narrative that everything that is wrong is purely down to him. He needs to go if we want to stay up, but we came up with the worst team, didn't invest nearly enough in PL players (due to PSR) and were favourites to finish bottom. We're just keeping up with the predictions.

[tdmickey3]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I don't think any actually is fully defending him, but I think people are dispelling the narrative that everything that is wrong is purely down to him. He needs to go if we want to stay up, but we came up with the worst team, didn't invest nearly enough in PL players (due to PSR) and were favourites to finish bottom. We're just keeping up with the predictions.

The way we play is fully down to him, if the players are not able to play that way, the then he should fuckin change it, not just carry on with the same losing, boring, mistake inducing crap.

Its completely on him

[Chewy]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Cornet is on loan, so hardly spaffing millions. If we'd have bought him with little resale value, then I agree, but we didn't. The problem we had is we had to spend £50m of so to go backwards versus our team last season. BBD, Wood, Edwards, are all for the Championship for when we get relegated - they were relatively low cost but would do a good job there next season. Archer was a replacement for Che, but think we'd all prefer Che back. That left us with £60m, the need for a good keeper, and then a massively disjointed squad. They knew we had no chance with that so went low cost, high upside, resale value on the rest.

What I find quite strange is that you all get angry and take the piss out of Rasmus for being a visionary and doing things differently, yet as soon as I put together a slightly out there (but at the same time not unreasonable) scenario, there is no chance it could be correct.

I never said any of this was fact, and yes, it may all just be a coincidence, but I'm sticking with it - and nothing that I have seen has made me think we are not planning for several scenarios with no real care for which one happens.

Just trying to follow the logic here … we had to spend 50m to stand still. So without promotion we wouldn’t have had that 50m and would have gone backwards. Let alone having money to spend on Adams’ and KWP’s replacements (year early as it turned out for KWP).
And getting promoted was contrary to what’s best for the long-term plan of the club?

Your argument/scenario is fundamentally flawed. PSL does have an impact, and maybe the club’s spending is restrained this season by PSL. But PSL is ongoing and is very dependent on income, which is massively enhanced by being in the premier league. Added to which the club publicly stated their ambition to immediately return with promotion. You are talking arse. The club wanted promotion, needed it just to stand still as you’ve stated yourself so to argue promotion was an unhappy accident is plainly boll0cks.

BTW - where have I got angry and taken the p1ss out of Rasmus? I mean, he is horrific, clueless and totally out of his depth, dabbling in an industry he knows nothing about. But not sure I’ve been previously vocal about that? Please feel free to quote me and show otherwise.

[Farmer Saint]

12 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

The salaries/wages thing was more than one post from you and you know it.

Prove it then. It wasn't. It was one post, which someone replied to saying £100k is a lot, and I replied saying, "yeah, probably is a bit over-egged on the wage side".

You then have continued to bullshit and blister on my every post trying to gaslight everyone that you're correct. It seems to be your modus operandi as the forum bully, or enforcer, it whatever you like to call yourself, but if you can prove it I'm happy to apologise. If you can't though, I'd like you to apologise to me. Does that sound reasonable? I prefer to be pragmatic about situations like this, life is too short to spend life angry at other people you don't know.

"What are these things that you have been going on about for "18 months" have you been proven correct about? Tell us."

Where have I said I have been proven correct - in my post you seem to have got so hysterical about I said that it seems to have come true so far - two very different eventualities. One means we have realised everything above, it has happened and it has been documented by people that can confirm it was true, and one is that we can recognise that it looks like those things are happening...to me I don't see anything about our transfer strategy or wage strategy, the keeping of a Manager who is clearly Championship quality and the lack of internal panic at our impending doom. We enquired after the Leicester game for both Moyes and Potter, and I know that as a fact (and I have revealed my source previously on this). Apparently we have not looked since.

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, Chewy said:

Your argument/scenario is fundamentally flawed. PSL does have an impact, and maybe the club’s spending is restrained this season by PSL. But PSL is ongoing and is very dependent on income, which is massively enhanced by being in the premier league. Added to which the club publicly stated their ambition to immediately return with promotion. You are talking arse. The club wanted promotion, needed it just to stand still as you’ve stated yourself so to argue promotion was an unhappy accident is plainly boll0cks.

Farmer Giles in his nonsense 'PSR innit' argument managing to confuse himself.  Yet again.

[CB Fry]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

in my post you seem to have got so hysterical about I said that it seems to have come true so far

What has come true so far?

[Farmer Saint]

50 minutes ago, Chewy said:

Just trying to follow the logic here … we had to spend 50m to stand still. So without promotion we wouldn’t have had that 50m and would have gone backwards. Let alone having money to spend on Adams’ and KWP’s replacements (year early as it turned out for KWP).
And getting promoted was contrary to what’s best for the long-term plan of the club?

Your argument/scenario is fundamentally flawed. PSL does have an impact, and maybe the club’s spending is restrained this season by PSL. But PSL is ongoing and is very dependent on income, which is massively enhanced by being in the premier league. Added to which the club publicly stated their ambition to immediately return with promotion. You are talking arse. The club wanted promotion, needed it just to stand still as you’ve stated yourself so to argue promotion was an unhappy accident is plainly boll0cks.

BTW - where have I got angry and taken the p1ss out of Rasmus? I mean, he is horrific, clueless and totally out of his depth, dabbling in an industry he knows nothing about. But not sure I’ve been previously vocal about that? Please feel free to quote me and show otherwise.

When I said "you", it was a royal "you", it was not specifically aimed at yourself.

In relation to the rest of it, I never said it was an unhappy accident - I just said I don't think it was in the best interests of the club to build a strong core of a team to stay in the PL. When you take into account the ridiculous overspend in 2022 on transfers and wages it meant this year was year 3 of the cycle. It also means if we got promoted the following season then we'd have had huge amounts to spend as year 1 was very large transfers out, and in theory year 3 was our first season back in the PL. We'd have been able to spend whatever we needed to. We'd have also had the chance to build a stronger core. It's what teams like Brentford had pre-PSR being actually properly regulated and has changed little since promotion.

Anyway, it's just my theory, and I'm yet to see anything that contradicts that - I mean look at how we're doing this season?

Edited 7 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

What has come true so far?

You go find my posts first, then we'll talk.

[Weston Super Saint]

14 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

In relation to the rest of it, I never said it was an unhappy accident - I just said I don't think it was in the best interests of the club to build a strong core of a team to stay in the PL. It's what teams like Brentford had pre-PSR and has changed little since promotion.

Farmer Giles, inventing history to suit his made up 'FACTS'.

PSR introduced to the PL in 2013.

Brentford promoted to the PL in 2021 - 8 years after PSR started.

'Before' PSR, Brentford were in League 1.  Fucking visionary of them to combat PSR and change little since then.

Absolute Walter fucking Mitty.

[CB Fry]

38 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

You go find my posts first, then we'll talk.

Well, I read this this morning

8 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

I would add my two pennies worth, but you've heard it all before as I've been telling you all this for 18 months. However, in bullets:

- Getting promoted first season in the Championship was not good for the long term of the club becoming a sustainable PL club. We needed to build a strong core, but the basis of that core was loan players.

- We needed to spend £200m to stay up in the PL, but PSR innit?

- Once we got promoted, strategy had to change due to lack of real money to spend, especially on wages, leading us to become a player trading club with low cost, low wage, high upside players to add to top of Championship players to ensure "bouncebackability".

Very easy to criticise, as the usual suspects no doubt will, but I called all of this before Summer 2023, and it seems to have all come true so far. Quite a coincidence how lucky all my guesses are isn't it?

So you "called all of this in Summer 23" but you can't say exactly what it is you called?

Super clear.

Edited 7 hours ago by CB Fry

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Well, I read this this morning

So you "called all of this in Summer 23" but you can't say exactly what it is you called?

Super clear.

Go find my posts, we'll discuss it. If you're going to accuse me of stuff you need to be able to back it up, so back yourself.

[CB Fry]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Go find my posts, we'll discuss it. If you're going to accuse me of stuff you need to be able to back it up, so back yourself.

It takes me seconds to dismiss your horseshit live, in the moment. 

I don't need to go back over anything.

It's just you positioning yourself as some 18 month all seeing visionary. But you can't back it up can you? 

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

It takes me seconds to dismiss your horseshit live, in the moment. 

I don't need to go back over anything.

It's just you positioning yourself as some 18 month all seeing visionary. But you can't back it up can you? 

Yeah, didn't think so.

[CB Fry]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yeah, didn't think so.

What has come true so far?

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, CB Fry said:

What has come true so far?

Answer mine first - that's the deal. Backup your gaslighting and I'll tell you why I think my theories are correct. It's very simple.

[obelisk]

8 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Getting promoted first season in the Championship was not good for the long term of the club

You must have been disappointed to see that Leeds shot hit the crossbar and stay out in the play off final. If only it had gone in and Leeds won in extra time. 🙃 The club would no doubt be flying this season. 🤪

Sorry but I have to disagree. The best time to get promoted is at the first attempt. Any more than that and you're in danger of becoming just another Championship team scrabbling to make the play offs.

[CB Fry]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Answer mine first - that's the deal. Backup your gaslighting and I'll tell you why I think my theories are correct. It's very simple.

Making out you predicted a load of stuff 18 months ago and now have been proven right is gaslighting sweetheart x x 

 

[Toussaint]

@Farmer Saint

This is the Russel Martin thread. You yourself have stated, I’m sure, that he needs to go.  He is a terrible manager. He needs to go. It’s probably too late but he needs to go, as does Rasmus, he is knee deep in this and I think I speak for a lot on here when I say we do not want him choosing Martins replacement. 

Do you agree Martin is a very poor manager and needs to go before further damage is done? 

[Farmer Saint]

41 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Making out you predicted a load of stuff 18 months ago and now have been proven right is gaslighting sweetheart x x 

 

As you, yet again, can't back your accusations up, I think we'll have to leave this. Becoming a common theme with you CB.

[Farmer Saint]

43 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

@Farmer Saint

This is the Russel Martin thread. You yourself have stated, I’m sure, that he needs to go.  He is a terrible manager. He needs to go. It’s probably too late but he needs to go, as does Rasmus, he is knee deep in this and I think I speak for a lot on here when I say we do not want him choosing Martins replacement. 

Do you agree Martin is a very poor manager and needs to go before further damage is done? 

Yup.

[ally_uk]

Lads take it to the bedroom for fuk sakes 🤣

[trousers]

9 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

I would add my two pennies worth, but you've heard it all before as I've been telling you all this for 18 months. However, in bullets:

- Getting promoted first season in the Championship was not good for the long term of the club becoming a sustainable PL club. We needed to build a strong core, but the basis of that core was loan players.

- We needed to spend £200m to stay up in the PL, but PSR innit?

- Once we got promoted, strategy had to change due to lack of real money to spend, especially on wages, leading us to become a player trading club with low cost, low wage, high upside players to add to top of Championship players to ensure "bouncebackability".

Very easy to criticise, as the usual suspects no doubt will, but I called all of this before Summer 2023, and it seems to have all come true so far. Quite a coincidence how lucky all my guesses are isn't it?

House! 

Edited 6 hours ago by trousers

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, trousers said:

House! 

Just for you Trousers. I thought you'd appreciate it!

[trousers]

7 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Just for you Trousers. I thought you'd appreciate it!

In an ideal world you'd repeat it for me more often, but I guess I'll have to make do with 3 times a day...

[SaintLondon]

To bring it back round - I think if we lose on Friday he's going to go. It doesn't matter what they've said before, you simply can't lose that many games and stay. It starts to become a real problem - there are seemingly no repercussions for poor performances - what message does that send to the players? 

 

[notnowcato]

6 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

To bring it back round - I think if we lose on Friday he's going to go. It doesn't matter what they've said before, you simply can't lose that many games and stay. It starts to become a real problem - there are seemingly no repercussions for poor performances - what message does that send to the players? 

 

I think the club’s win bonus budget might disagree 😂

[Wade Garrett]

26 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

To bring it back round - I think if we lose on Friday he's going to go. It doesn't matter what they've said before, you simply can't lose that many games and stay. It starts to become a real problem - there are seemingly no repercussions for poor performances - what message does that send to the players? 

 

I don’t think he will go.  He’s made more than enough fuck-ups this season to warrant the sack but the board have stuck by him.

It’s an absolute farce.  Now Martin has moved onto arguing with the fans.  He is defending the indefensible with a sly grin on his face.

This is now solely on Dragan.  Can’t even blame Martin anymore.  He is out of his depth, that’s plain to see.

[Farmer Saint]

30 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I don’t think he will go.  He’s made more than enough fuck-ups this season to warrant the sack but the board have stuck by him.

It’s an absolute farce.  Now Martin has moved onto arguing with the fans.  He is defending the indefensible with a sly grin on his face.

This is now solely on Dragan.  Can’t even blame Martin anymore.  He is out of his depth, that’s plain to see.

If he was going to go, as you say, I think he'd have gone. It's all about the reason why we are fiddling as Rome burns.

[pimpin4rizeal]

21 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I have never seen that reason anywhere before and of course it could be true, but I maintain during the crucial summer months we had no DoF in place and those making important footballing decisions were not qualified. Mistakes were made all over the place.

It seems the plan is - get relegated (tick), cash in on Dibling and Fernandes and RM will guide us back, as before, playing the same sort of football we played in 2023-24. 

Some fans will no doubt accept this and I still see people on Twitter saying we played "great" football in 23-24 but I for one can't remember much. For me I want Martin gone. I would rather be stuck in the Championship playing decent football then anything I have witnessed since RM's arrival. The Leeds at Wembley was a great day out but long term it might have actually been detrimental to this club rebuilding and making proper progress.

I can’t believe even as stupid as sports republic are being that they will just sit there and go down without even a whimper or any fight whatsoever.

What is the point in getting promoted in the first place .. if you are just gonna give up by November and think never mind let’s put our faith in the dogshit manager that is Losing 90 percent of games  because he got us through the play offs last year  so we can just get relegated and do it again ? 
 

this is absolutely bonkers 

[Toussaint]

I’ve seen a couple of references to Martin arguing with the fans, I’ve missed this, what has occurred?

[beatlesaint]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

If he was going to go, as you say, I think he'd have gone. It's all about the reason why we are fiddling as Rome burns.

I think they are fiddling as Rome burns cos they honestly didn’t expect to get promoted last season given the utter shit show RM inherited.

This was going to be the season to gain promotion in their 10 year plan, I’m bloody convinced it was.

This season has shown the board and the manager as totally unprepared. Niether has a clue what to do except wait for the inevitable relegation. When you get the manager come out with shite like “umm, I should maybe have started him before” regarding a player he watches everyday in training (Tall Paul in this instance) you just know reading between the lines that the guy is clueless.

SR probably think this season is a practice run for when we get promoted and are prepared both financially and squad wise. They seem to treat this as a real life version of FM !!

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

I think they are fiddling as Rome burns cos they honestly didn’t expect to get promoted last season given the utter shit show RM inherited.

This was going to be the season to gain promotion in their 10 year plan, I’m bloody convinced it was.

This season has shown the board and the manager as totally unprepared. Niether has a clue what to do except wait for the inevitable relegation. When you get the manager come out with shite like “umm, I should maybe have started him before” regarding a player he watches everyday in training (Tall Paul in this instance) you just know reading between the lines that the guy is clueless.

SR probably think this season is a practice run for when we get promoted and are prepared both financially and squad wise. They seem to treat this as a real life version of FM !!

I agree with you. I wonder if you'll get the same treatment as me to dare to say so though!

[saintant]

11 hours ago, trousers said:

Not sure you can blame Martin for the last 12 games of the 2022/23 PL season, to be fair...

Yeah, my misunderstanding of course 🙂

[LGTL]

16 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

I’ve seen a couple of references to Martin arguing with the fans, I’ve missed this, what has occurred?

Liverpool game. He was just being a massive wanker as usual. 

Edited 4 hours ago by LGTL

[trousers]

18 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I agree with you. I wonder if you'll get the same treatment as me to dare to say so though!

If beatlesaint repeats the same point every 5 minutes, whilst flashing his "told you so" medal each time, I'm sure he'll receive the same level of flak...

#itsnotwhatyousayitshowyousayit #rocketscience

Edited 4 hours ago by trousers

[notnowcato]

31 minutes ago, trousers said:

If beatlesaint repeats the same point every 5 minutes, whilst flashing his "told you so" medal each time, I'm sure he'll receive the same level of flak...

#itsnotwhatyousayitshowyousayit #rocketscience

Curious as to why you take this stance with Farmer and not the many posters who respond with remarkable consistency by turning every point raised for discussion into a “the manager’s shit” post etc etc. It may well be the case, of course, the opinion is the right of the poster but as you’re positioning yourself as some guardian over repetition then maybe there are others who could do with your help 😉

[scumbag]

I suppose there may be a few legitimate scenarios where a team is best price 1/7 to go down in November and it not be fair to reach the conclusion that 'the manager's shit'. 

Putting aside the repugnant style of football and the occasional disagreeable personality traits in this instance of course - as that may not be fair in forming an objective view here.

Hmmm, tricky one. Could take some time to put together a compelling argument.

[trousers]

15 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Curious as to why you take this stance with Farmer and not the many posters who respond with remarkable consistency by turning every point raised for discussion into a “the manager’s shit” post etc etc. It may well be the case, of course, the opinion is the right of the poster but as you’re positioning yourself as some guardian over repetition then maybe there are others who could do with your help 😉

Fair point... There are indeed annoying people on both sides of the argument, myself included... 👍

Edited 3 hours ago by trousers

[Oldandtired]

33 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Curious as to why you take this stance with Farmer and not the many posters who respond with remarkable consistency by turning every point raised for discussion into a “the manager’s shit” post etc etc. It may well be the case, of course, the opinion is the right of the poster but as you’re positioning yourself as some guardian over repetition then maybe there are others who could do with your help 😉

'Says he whilst looking in the mirror'

Edited 3 hours ago by Oldandtired

[Farmer Saint]

29 minutes ago, scumbag said:

I suppose there may be a few legitimate scenarios where a team is best price 1/7 to go down in November and it not be fair to reach the conclusion that 'the manager's shit'. 

Putting aside the repugnant style of football and the occasional disagreeable personality traits in this instance of course - as that may not be fair in forming an objective view here.

Hmmm, tricky one. Could take some time to put together a compelling argument.

Who's actually saying he's not out of his depth in the PL? Gio maybe? 

[Lord Duckhunter]

16 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Chris Wilder is just coming up on his first anniversary there, these are his results from the second half of last season.

Wilder has a top ten premier league finish on his CV, Lego head has one win. Wilder is a better manager than Lego head, so totally different situations. It’s like saying ETH would have done well at Manchester United next season because SAF eventually did well. How Sheff utd get on this season has no bearing on how a Lego led Saints one will do next. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Lord Duckhunter

[badgerx16]

There is a world of difference between a team that is 'favourite' to go down that puts up a fight but ultimately falls short with 32 points, and one that is a disorganised, incompetent, mess that rolls over for even the most mediocre of opponents and struggles to reach double figures.

[Lighthouse]

15 hours ago, CB Fry said:

I've made my argument already, which is when we go down with Martin, and if he is still our manager you will immediately flip to caveats and expectation management and downplaying everything that no actually we are not favourites to go up etc etc etc

So what's the point in keeping Russell Martin because he ain't going to win the Championship with us and you won't ever say that he will.

You don't like it but the fact is Sheffield United sacked their guy. Luton didn't and they're fucked.

If we go down with Martin we will be amongst the favourites to get promoted. If you can arrange a ‘definitely guaranteed to get us promoted’ manager, that’d be wonderful too but ultimately the squad we’re likely to have left, with Martin will be one of the favourites. We might win the Championship, we might not. We don’t even know which other teams are doing up or down with us yet.

I can’t get my head around the mental gymnastics you’re trying to do with Wilder. His team was utterly abysmal for the latter 2/3 of the season but now they’re top of the league. The difference between them and Luton is nothing to do with that. After Wilder was appointed, Luton outscored Sheff U 17 points to 11 in the remainder of the season, so how does that work?

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

If we go down with Martin we will be amongst the favourites to get promoted. If you can arrange a ‘definitely guaranteed to get us promoted’ manager, that’d be wonderful too but ultimately the squad we’re likely to have left, with Martin will be one of the favourites. We might win the Championship, we might not. We don’t even know which other teams are doing up or down with us yet.

I can’t get my head around the mental gymnastics you’re trying to do with Wilder. His team was utterly abysmal for the latter 2/3 of the season but now they’re top of the league. The difference between them and Luton is nothing to do with that. After Wilder was appointed, Luton outscored Sheff U 17 points to 11 in the remainder of the season, so how does that work?

Sport Republic can fuck off if Martin is still in charge next season and we are back in the Championship. Am not sure what kind of cuckoo land they are living in if they think fans will just roll up again next season and accept him still being here. Especially if we end up going down with a record low points total.

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Sport Republic can fuck off if Martin is still in charge next season and we are back in the Championship. Am not sure what kind of cuckoo land they are living in if they think fans will just roll up again next season and accept him still being here. Especially if we end up going down with a record low points total.

Probably the same cuckoo land as the over 31,000 fans who’ve attended every game at St Mary’s this season, despite RM being here and losing every week. If we go back to winning most weeks in the Championship, the crowds will remain pretty healthy, regardless of what happens this season.

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Sport Republic can fuck off if Martin is still in charge next season and we are back in the Championship. Am not sure what kind of cuckoo land they are living in if they think fans will just roll up again next season and accept him still being here. Especially if we end up going down with a record low points total.

I'm not sure people are necessarily advocating for him to still be here next season, but it's more that with him in place next season will we be one of the favourites to go up? Yeah, of course we will, as long as sales aren't too extreme (which they shouldn't be).

Edited 2 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[notnowcato]

1 hour ago, Oldandtired said:

'Says he whilst looking in the mirror'

I guess I should respond along the lines of; what are you talking about?  But that might suggest I'm keen to understand whatever point you're attempting to make.

[LeBizzier69]

Anyone would think, judging by the language and hatred being shown by some, that RM had shagged all your wives, daughters, sons, pets, grandparents....while making you watch. It's far from ideal right now, but some people have lost all perspective.......the club (not position in the league) has been in far worse positions over the last 15-20 years. Is RM at fault? Yes in part. Are the players? Yes in part. Are the owners? Yes in part. We do have owners prepared to spend (not always well....but still), a decent ground and 30k + in attendance in the championship. I'd say that those are pretty positive aspects.

I see this season as a bit of a win win. Of course i'd rather we stay up, but if we don't (and that was always going to be a tough ask) we have a decent amount of saleable assets + parachute payments to help rebuild. A season of no VAR too. The excitement of a possible promotion rather than anticpated drubbing.....and a less angry forum.

Just my two penneth...

[notnowcato]

4 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

Anyone would think, judging by the language and hatred being shown by some, that RM had shagged all your wives, daughters, sons, pets, grandparents....while making you watch. It's far from ideal right now, but some people have lost all perspective.......the club (not position in the league) has been in far worse positions over the last 15-20 years. Is RM at fault? Yes in part. Are the players? Yes in part. Are the owners? Yes in part. We do have owners prepared to spend (not always well....but still), a decent ground and 30k + in attendance in the championship. I'd say that those are pretty positive aspects.

I see this season as a bit of a win win. Of course i'd rather we stay up, but if we don't (and that was always going to be a tough ask) we have a decent amount of saleable assets + parachute payments to help rebuild. A season of no VAR too. The excitement of a possible promotion rather than anticpated drubbing.....and a less angry forum.

Just my two penneth...

I think the tipping point was Pinder.... when that bombshell dropped the recycle bins of the city were chockfull of crusty lads mags 😂

Edited 2 hours ago by notnowcato