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saintant

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4 hours ago, Toussaint said:

I’d like to know on what basis he is so confident “they’ll be alright” what is experience is he drawing onto support this? He was in unremarkable player playing for an unremarkable team, played international for a team that by necessity has to scour the lower leagues for players. As a manager he was very average in the championship and an unrivalled disaster in the premier league, so, where does this confidence come from? I guess he epitomises arrogance, where your view of yourself is vastly elevated above reality. 

It's commonly known as bullshit.

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4 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

You have no idea what’s going on with ABK. Gardening leave is very little different in real world terms, you’ll still have to pay the rest of his contract not to be our manager. They can do it, it’s just whether or not we have someone else lined up who’s worth the cost.

I didn't claim that I did but one thing I am certain of - ABK is doing far less damage to the club than Russell.

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3 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

His cheerleaders have been a bit quiet today.  Maybe he’s stood them down because he’s on his way.

I fucking doubt it though.

Hello, happy to put forward any defence you like if it settles your nerves. Have until the end of MNF so put in your requests. Headline news will be we played well yesterday, I still believe not everything is one mans fault and removing him wont make much of a difference. Any other of my greatest hits you want me to play? 

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3 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Look who’s back, Fabrice is back, would the real slim Fabrice please stand up, please stand up… 

Hi. Are you able to make sense of what he's saying? A player demanding to leave after he played a part in our relegation is less damaging than the manager who helped get us promoted the year after?

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Fuck me even wet spam have won........................................ were getting cut adrift now. As it stands were 2 wins from safety,and no team has survived loosing 10 out of their first 12 games......................!............what are they thinking? Ok we get a new guy in and we go down ,but surely we cannot put up with an error strewn defence not being able to  compose themselves enough not to shoot one another in the foot with ponderous tedious passing for what ? the sake of passing and not progressing? Im not sure what our identity is apart from boring,but its getting boring, seeing the same pattern of footballing mistakes by professional players, who lets face it have been playing football for at least 10-15 years at a good level,but cant control 10 yrs passes and continue to gift opportunities to the opposition.CRAZY.....of to bed .

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18 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Hi. Are you able to make sense of what he's saying? A player demanding to leave after he played a part in our relegation is less damaging than the manager who helped get us promoted the year after?

One has presided over a record of 4 points from 12 games which the other has not featured in - I know it won't convince you but that's how I see it.

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3 minutes ago, saintant said:

One has presided over a record of 4 points from 12 games which the other has not featured in - I know it won't convince you but that's how I see it.

Yes, they are both solely responsible for the points they have gained in the PL and there are simply no other factors to be considered for either of them. It's a perfectly valid comparison and well done you for spotting it.

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16 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Yes, they are both solely responsible for the points they have gained in the PL and there are simply no other factors to be considered for either of them. It's a perfectly valid comparison and well done you for spotting it.

Quite happy to hear you list the other factors - be my guest.

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Saint in Paradise

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I think I mentioned this earlier but my memory isn't what it used to be. I am sure I said that RM was acting just

like some Narcissists do. Upon further thought I suspect that the 3 in charge of SR also show some of the same

tendencies. Narcissists can never really truly accept that anything is 100% their fault, it's nearly always caused by

someone else not doing what they were told to do.

Have a watch of some videos on You Tube posted by a chap named H.G.Tudor he fully explains what to look for

to help you decide about whether someone is a Narcissist.

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8 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Hello, happy to put forward any defence you like if it settles your nerves. Have until the end of MNF so put in your requests. Headline news will be we played well yesterday, I still believe not everything is one mans fault and removing him wont make much of a difference. Any other of my greatest hits you want me to play? 

You are the equivalent of 5-Star.  You have no greatest hits.

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10 hours ago, aintforever said:

Yes but we’re at the stage where it’s pretty much nailed on relegation anyway plus any decent ‘Mark Hughes’ style appointment will come at a cost and will want some sort of war chest in January.

Obviously if changing manager means a decent chance of staying up it is clearly cost effective but that ship has sailed.

True and whose fault is it that that ship has sailed would you say? Are they going to sack RM when we are back in the championship with even less money or are we stuck with him for another three years? Three years of depressive anti football  

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Interviewer: Russell this season is over and your team finished on four points taking over from derbys unwanted record, how do you feel about that? 

Martin: what a completely stupid question you should be embarrassed to ask that, it's obvious to everyone that we've played some really nice stuff we are in the top three teams for passes completed we've been brave beyond belief are football has been a thing of beauty and we've never abandoned our morally correct philosophy and here you are talking about points and survival as if that was the most important thing.... Stupid just stupid......Shakes head and walks off

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8 hours ago, SambaMaverick said:

Reading this tripe in November really makes me wonder where we'll be at in April or May. Will anyone still be here? I'm half checked out for the season as it is...

agreed the season is effectively over.

feels like we are now in a holding pattern until he loses so many games he is sacked. 

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27 minutes ago, Galway saint said:

feels like we are now in a holding pattern until he loses so many games he is sacked. 

There's no point sacking him in any hurry, we're down regardless.

I guess the original plan was to have Lallana as a stand in, but he's so old now that he'll get a groin strain putting the cones out 😢

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10 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Hi. Are you able to make sense of what he's saying? A player demanding to leave after he played a part in our relegation is less damaging than the manager who helped get us promoted the year after?

I believe he’s saying ABK has infinitely less influence on our tragic and entirely avoidable demise than the two narcissists  in the positions of the greatest influence who are orchestrating said demise. That’s my interpretation 

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What I don't understand is why RM was handed an extended contract on promotion from the Championship. Was he coming to the end of his current one? Because if he wasn't, why did SR not wait to see how he would cope with Premier League football instead of tying him to us until the summer of 2027. I think that's the reason he hasn't been sacked. SR can't afford to pay him off so we are stuck with him. He said it all for me on Sunday's post-match interview. Looking down his nose at the interviewer and when asked about our constant playing out from the back and gifting goals, replied, "No" when anyone else asked that question would be saying "Yes". RM isn't fit for purpose but I doubt we will have the good news of his departure any time soon because SR cannot afford to sack him. Brighton, Chelsea, Villa and Spurs up next. Happy Christmas!!!

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9 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

What I don't understand is why RM was handed an extended contract on promotion from the Championship.

I'm not ITK, but it doesn't seem unrealistic that he had a clause in his initial contract which was triggered upon promotion.

If that's not the case then yes - the decision was reckless at best.

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On 24/11/2024 at 12:02, Fabrice29 said:

Acceptable 😂 Like you’re owed a certain amount of points. 

Ploughing my way through some of the strange comments (personal / professional and otherwise ) above, I'll get back to Football. 

 

I am really surprised that RM hasn't done something to tweak his " Russball formation" , and although it is logical to say that  

(theoretically) it denies the opposition a kick, he must surely see that the high % possession doesn't equate to more points.

Average 63%(?) ...sounds impressive but it doesn't convert to goals as we still have the lowest goal tally in the League. 

If the new tactic is for Tyler Dibling to run on goal and win a penalty, then at least that is working, but nothing else seems to.

Watching Paul Onuachu start was a pleasant surprise and although he showed some skill, I'm not sure he has 90 minutes in him.

 

Although we have seen some excellent performances from certain players, they don't seem to be playing - as a team, but perhaps 

the many changes (tactical and injuries) hasn't helped either.  We haven't started with the same side twice to date this season.

 

Individual errors have cost us more than a dozen points so far, and it's sad to recall that getting a lead in games like Leicester,

(yes)... and even Liverpool only to see the game gifted to them by " avoidable mistakes".   Perhaps we shouldn't dwell on the

dubious VAR decisions that have passed us by, or those blatantly ignored by the VAR panels.  Now it's onto the next game,

with the hope that the tide will turn at some point in the next few weeks and we can show some signs of recovery, as not

even another " Great Escape " looks likely at present. 

 

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3 hours ago, ant said:

I'm not ITK, but it doesn't seem unrealistic that he had a clause in his initial contract which was triggered upon promotion.

If that's not the case then yes - the decision was reckless at best.

I have never seen that reason anywhere before and of course it could be true, but I maintain during the crucial summer months we had no DoF in place and those making important footballing decisions were not qualified. Mistakes were made all over the place.

It seems the plan is - get relegated (tick), cash in on Dibling and Fernandes and RM will guide us back, as before, playing the same sort of football we played in 2023-24. 

Some fans will no doubt accept this and I still see people on Twitter saying we played "great" football in 23-24 but I for one can't remember much. For me I want Martin gone. I would rather be stuck in the Championship playing decent football then anything I have witnessed since RM's arrival. The Leeds at Wembley was a great day out but long term it might have actually been detrimental to this club rebuilding and making proper progress.

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6 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I have never seen that reason anywhere before and of course it could be true, but I maintain during the crucial summer months we had no DoF in place and those making important footballing decisions were not qualified. Mistakes were made all over the place.

It seems the plan is - get relegated (tick), cash in on Dibling and Fernandes and RM will guide us back, as before, playing the same sort of football we played in 2023-24. 

Some fans will no doubt accept this and I still see people on Twitter saying we played "great" football in 23-24 but I for one can't remember much. For me I want Martin gone. I would rather be stuck in the Championship playing decent football then anything I have witnessed since RM's arrival. The Leeds at Wembley was a great day out but long term it might have actually been detrimental to this club rebuilding and making proper progress.

Unless something changes we are headed to break the record lowest points ever. Even with the poor decisions we've seen from SR I find it impossible to believe they would stick with RM if the record is broken. But, if Ankersen has a say I guess it could happen.

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2 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I have never seen that reason anywhere before and of course it could be true, but I maintain during the crucial summer months we had no DoF in place and those making important footballing decisions were not qualified. Mistakes were made all over the place.

It seems the plan is - get relegated (tick), cash in on Dibling and Fernandes and RM will guide us back, as before, playing the same sort of football we played in 2023-24. 

Some fans will no doubt accept this and I still see people on Twitter saying we played "great" football in 23-24 but I for one can't remember much. For me I want Martin gone. I would rather be stuck in the Championship playing decent football then anything I have witnessed since RM's arrival. The Leeds at Wembley was a great day out but long term it might have actually been detrimental to this club rebuilding and making proper progress.

Martin wont bring us back up. He just about managed it last season, he wont get that luck again. 

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1 hour ago, Dman said:

Martin wont bring us back up. He just about managed it last season, he wont get that luck again. 

I don’t necessarily agree with that. We have a pretty useful Championship squad, depending on who leaves. We have the makings of a yo-yo club at the moment. 

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4 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I don’t necessarily agree with that. We have a pretty useful Championship squad, depending on who leaves. We have the makings of a yo-yo club at the moment. 

Surely the issue is not the squad but how he will get that squad to play. He was starting to get found out back end of last season, the lottery win papered over the cracks, now this season we have been found out good and proper. He has said on multiple occasions he will not change so in my opinion there is not much reason to be optimistic about coming up again.

 

 

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

I don’t necessarily agree with that. We have a pretty useful Championship squad, depending on who leaves. We have the makings of a yo-yo club at the moment. 

So we get relegated, pathetically this season and we manage to get promoted again, very doubtful under Martin and then get pathetically relegated again.

stuff that yo yo pattern, we should have sacked this idiot and opted for a manager who is flexible and consolidates our position in the premier league

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36 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

So we get relegated, pathetically this season and we manage to get promoted again, very doubtful under Martin and then get pathetically relegated again.

stuff that yo yo pattern, we should have sacked this idiot and opted for a manager who is flexible and consolidates our position in the premier league

Not interested in yo-yo either and I'm hoping his turning on the fans is the beginning of the end. That's a line not to be crossed.

Interesting taking a glance back at the earliest comments on this thread. So many saw this coming. And I don't buy in to this "we can't afford to get rid of him" idea. Surely even SR have made a provision for the manager not working out. That Bulgarian fourth division manager is looking a better prospect than RM. SR, we have the players...come on do the right thing.

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3 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

He thought the scar tissue was bad last season. Imagine what it will be like in August if we've gone down as the worst performing team in PL history.

We've got 4 points from 12 games. Last season we got promoted off the back of 3 points from our final 12 PL games. If we keep a reasonable chunk of the massive Championship squad we've assembled and the manager who took us up last time, there's no reason we can't get promoted again.

What 'it'll be like' in August is a new season against far weaker opposition. If we've still got Martin, BBD, Archer, Armstrong, Bednarek, Fraser and co. we should hit the ground running.

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