Russell Martin

[Nolan]

21 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

It’s a strange one, can’t seem to find much that says when the league officially resets. What’s interesting is that the Premier League’s official website still lists Saints, Leeds and Leicester amongst their clubs, and don’t include the promoted sides.

https://www.premierleague.com/clubs

On the flip side….while Wikipedia shouldn’t be considered gospel, the page for all 6 clubs promoted to or relegated from the Premier League show their ‘league’ as where they’ll play next season. See Saints for example, who are given EFL championship. (Yes, wiki can be edited very easily).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southampton_F.C.

 

From the rulebook it happens once Membership "share" transfer is made between the three relegated clubs and the three promoted clubs, as directed by the Premier League.

But there is no specific date mentioned for the transfer to happen.

[Bad Wolf]

14 minutes ago, Nolan said:

From the rulebook it happens once Membership "share" transfer is made between the three relegated clubs and the three promoted clubs, as directed by the Premier League.

But there is no specific date mentioned for the transfer to happen.

I always assumed it was when the transfer (or registration if you want to get technical) window opened.

[InvictaSaint]

37 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

It always seems to be the day the fixtures come out, that used to be when SSN and other places will put league tables up in Alphabetical order etc etc.

For contracts etc probably end of June/July 1st? Or June 1st? Must be the same every year, and all the relevant games are completed now.

Transfermarkt (decent source) lists contract end dates (if perm and not a loan) as June 30th of any given year. For loans it appears to be 31st May. So Tella and Smallbone’s loans have already ended and they are officially back with us. No idea whether same applies to managers though…

[Channons Windmill]

When I last worked in football (albeit a number of years ago now) the season ended 30th June and the new one started the following day - which is why the transfer window opened that day. Contracts were always tied in around that which is why a lot of transfers were recorded on 1st July, especially with free agents. 

[the saint in winchester]

53 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

In terms of the values of his compensation packages Im only summising, from things Ive read, mainly from Nixon

Its reported to be about 800k for prem and half that for the Championship

We were officially a premier league club, as far as any legal paperwork is concerned, until the official end of the season, not entirely sure when that date is but I ‘think’ it was yesterday

Can't we just agree to pay them 600k (split the difference) and move on? 200k isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things.

Let's get him settling in.

[Nolan]

5 minutes ago, the saint in winchester said:

Can't we just agree to pay them 600k (split the difference) and move on? 200k isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things.

Let's get him settling in.

With hundreds of staff on Consultation, 200k could be the difference for a couple of jobs.

It's right they should be seen to be conserving cash where possible.

 

[James G]

1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said:

In terms of the values of his compensation packages Im only summising, from things Ive read, mainly from Nixon

Its reported to be about 800k for prem and half that for the Championship

We were officially a premier league club, as far as any legal paperwork is concerned, until the official end of the season, not entirely sure when that date is but I ‘think’ it was yesterday

Yeah, it's really interesting. It wasn't a haggle, it's about club status and it's about when do we officially become a Championship club. It's an odd one lol

[Smirking_Saint]

50 minutes ago, the saint in winchester said:

Can't we just agree to pay them 600k (split the difference) and move on? 200k isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things.

Let's get him settling in.

200k is a reasonable sum for both parties although arguably more Swansea who I imagine are the ones digging in heels 

TBH from what Ive read he’s already been doing a bit of work so I imagine its all formality tbh

[Nolan]

Beeb also saying it's down to compensation but the figures they're reporting are £2 million and £1.25 million.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65779193

Edited 1 June, 2023 by Nolan

[Saint86]

17 minutes ago, Nolan said:

Been also saying it's down to compensation but the figures they're reporting are £2 million and £1.25 million.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65779193

Tbh, Swansea are the ones being silly here. They've made a move for a new mananger and Martin is therefore leaving now regardless. It's the off season, Martin won't be involved in their planning going forward, so all they're doing is paying him wages whilst we wait to be a confirmed 2nd tier side. Meanwhile, if he is joining us, I'm sure he's on 'holiday' in communication with wilcox etc planning for June / july at saints 🤣

[notnowcato]

So if reports are to be believed; Swansea are being dicks.

[david in sweden]

I'm in full agreement with those of you (above) who share my watchword, that  is ........" patience is a virtue ". 

For decades past - after the end of every season (good or bad) - there is a little group of fanatical types who demand

that we buy our ALL our targeted players by July 2nd......or else ...(not sure what the specific threats are) but they usually

threaten the Board that they will ....  burn their season tickets,  or demonstrate outside St. Mary's stadium  and /or

hang protest banners under the bridges on the Winchester by-pass  to ensure they frighten away any potential new signings.     

(Good job there are gun laws in Britain).

 

They will be in for a shock this time around, as we are about to lose at least half of the first team squad, we have no manager

in place at present, and the NEW Board was only convened last week, and doesn't understand anything that has happened, and 

wonders why we will suddenly be playing in a lower league after they spent so much money on players who weren't allowed to play.  

Most of the old Board have already left, or have one foot out of the door,  and the only person who knows where the toilets

are  at Staplewood..... is the cleaner.       Armageddon is next week. 

Reminds me of  Private Jones in Dad's Army,  (no NOT that one ) ...who ran around screaming... " Don't panic, Don't panic "

 

The result will be S.N.A.F.U... ...(1) we won't get the players we really wanted .... (2) Key players will get injured in pre-season

and .....(3) we will start the season with a string of poor results ....and then they will really have something to shout about.

Be patient.. Enjoy the summer, and don't think about any of this .... until after 5th August. 

 

[Pamplemousse]

Embarrassing from Swansea.

[goodymatt]

Guess you can’t blame Swansea for chancing their hand at another £750k, we were technically a PL club when we approached Martin. Seems obvious we won’t pay a release clause until we are officially a championship club then? Mirrors the end of June comments from the ownership?

Edited 1 June, 2023 by goodymatt

[egg]

26 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

So if reports are to be believed; Swansea are being dicks.

If we were in their position and rolled over you'd be moaning that we're pushovers. If another club does it, they're being dicks. Bless. 

[SwansFan]

23 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Embarrassing from Swansea.

Not sure how you arrive at that conclusion when nobody seemingly knows exactly what the clause is. If it depends when the approach was made and it was made before last Sunday when you were still playing PL games then of course we should hold out for the full amount. If there are any grey areas or if everyone has to wait for weeks on end then presumably the clubs will find some sort of middle ground to allow everyone to move on quickly.

[Saint86]

27 minutes ago, egg said:

If we were in their position and rolled over you'd be moaning that we're pushovers. If another club does it, they're being dicks. Bless. 

Its madness from Swansea, they'll pay his wages for a month and end up with the same compensation level. Meanwhile they've got to recruit a new manager and can't plan for the new season whilst at the same time the deal may fall through 😄

[Saint Fan CaM]

3 hours ago, Smirking_Saint said:

In terms of the values of his compensation packages Im only summising, from things Ive read, mainly from Nixon

Its reported to be about 800k for prem and half that for the Championship

We were officially a premier league club, as far as any legal paperwork is concerned, until the official end of the season, not entirely sure when that date is but I ‘think’ it was yesterday

Ah OK, thanks confirming it was guesswork, which of course is fine given that’s where most of us are operating.

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, Nolan said:

With hundreds of staff on Consultation, 200k could be the difference for a couple of jobs.

It's right they should be seen to be conserving cash where possible.

 

Imagine how many jobs Orsic could have saved....

[notnowcato]

52 minutes ago, egg said:

If we were in their position and rolled over you'd be moaning that we're pushovers. If another club does it, they're being dicks. Bless. 

Nope, happy to call us out as being dicks when we are.

[Smirking_Saint]

Im not really sure Swansea are being dicks, we’ve poached their manager and the terms of his current contract state we owe them a higher fee, its a technicality but it is what it is, Im sure if we were in Swansea’s shoes we’d be saying ‘fair play to us’

Nothing is stopping them having conversations with managers (of which many are probably on holiday) and nothing is stopping us planning with Wilcox/Martin

Just chill, the players aren’t even here anyway

[DSB Media]

Swansea Footgolf  Taken 1st June ...... 

 

[Crab Lungs]

6 minutes ago, DSB Media said:

Swansea Footgolf  Taken 1st June ...... 

 

Ooooooh I played there!

[Convict Colony]

2 hours ago, david in sweden said:

I'm in full agreement with those of you (above) who share my watchword, that  is ........" patience is a virtue ". 

For decades past - after the end of every season (good or bad) - there is a little group of fanatical types who demand

that we buy our ALL our targeted players by July 2nd......or else ...(not sure what the specific threats are) but they usually

threaten the Board that they will ....  burn their season tickets,  or demonstrate outside St. Mary's stadium  and /or

hang protest banners under the bridges on the Winchester by-pass  to ensure they frighten away any potential new signings.     

(Good job there are gun laws in Britain).

 

They will be in for a shock this time around, as we are about to lose at least half of the first team squad, we have no manager

in place at present, and the NEW Board was only convened last week, and doesn't understand anything that has happened, and 

wonders why we will suddenly be playing in a lower league after they spent so much money on players who weren't allowed to play.  

Most of the old Board have already left, or have one foot out of the door,  and the only person who knows where the toilets

are  at Staplewood..... is the cleaner.       Armageddon is next week. 

Reminds me of  Private Jones in Dad's Army,  (no NOT that one ) ...who ran around screaming... " Don't panic, Don't panic "

 

The result will be S.N.A.F.U... ...(1) we won't get the players we really wanted .... (2) Key players will get injured in pre-season

and .....(3) we will start the season with a string of poor results ....and then they will really have something to shout about.

Be patient.. Enjoy the summer, and don't think about any of this .... until after 5th August. 

 

Patience is a virtue is more than 1 word bro.

 

Does that make me MLG?

Edited 1 June, 2023 by Convict Colony

[The Cat]

1 hour ago, SwansFan said:

Not sure how you arrive at that conclusion when nobody seemingly knows exactly what the clause is. If it depends when the approach was made and it was made before last Sunday when you were still playing PL games then of course we should hold out for the full amount. If there are any grey areas or if everyone has to wait for weeks on end then presumably the clubs will find some sort of middle ground to allow everyone to move on quickly.

It's football internet. People jump to conclusions about the slightest thing even when they have absolutely zero knowledge of what's going on in the background. 

Your posts seem too sensible to be on here. Can't you come along and just slag Saints off for something or the other instead? You'd fit in perfectly with the majority of other posters then.

[waylander]

1 hour ago, SwansFan said:

Not sure how you arrive at that conclusion when nobody seemingly knows exactly what the clause is. If it depends when the approach was made and it was made before last Sunday when you were still playing PL games then of course we should hold out for the full amount. If there are any grey areas or if everyone has to wait for weeks on end then presumably the clubs will find some sort of middle ground to allow everyone to move on quickly.

The offer may have been made while we were still in the PL, but it is an offer to manage the club in the championship next season not the PL

[once_bitterne]

How much do we need tp pay to not have him?

[egg]

2 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Its madness from Swansea, they'll pay his wages for a month and end up with the same compensation level. Meanwhile they've got to recruit a new manager and can't plan for the new season whilst at the same time the deal may fall through 😄

Who says they'll get the same compensation in a month? None of us have any idea about the terms of his contract and any release clause.

My point though remains - we have dinlos on other threads saying that we can't negotiate properly if we don't get £45m+ for JWP, and other people saying we should absolutely get Martin for what we want to pay, but that Swansea are "dicks" etc for holding out. Just a tad stupid. 

Edited 1 June, 2023 by egg

[Dusic]

Seems like both teams are doing what would be reasonably expected of them and Martin is in all liklihood preparing for the season as Saints manager, just like Wilcox and Crocker both leading manager recruitment whilst serving notice periods before their roles officially begin.

Edited 1 June, 2023 by Dusic

[egg]

2 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Nope, happy to call us out as being dicks when we are.

So would we be "dicks" if West Ham won't pay more than £25m for JWP, and their fans think that's generous, or does this only work one way? 

[SaintsFan86]

1 minute ago, egg said:

So would we be "dicks" if West Ham won't pay more than £25m for JWP, and their fans think that's generous, or does this only work one way? 

It would be different, if they don't offer what we want then he stays.

[egg]

1 minute ago, SaintsFan86 said:

It would be different, if they don't offer what we want then he stays.

So we get Martin anyway if we don't offer what they want? Is that what you're saying? 

[SaintsFan86]

Just now, egg said:

So we get Martin anyway if we don't offer what they want? Is that what you're saying? 

When we are officially a championship team they won't be able to demand Premier league compensation. 

[egg]

Just now, SaintsFan86 said:

When we are officially a championship team they won't be able to demand Premier league compensation. 

So you're saying this only works one way. Us having to offer what people want is as relevant as people having to offer what we want. The arrogance of our fans is priceless. 

[SaintsFan86]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

So you're saying this only works one way. Us having to offer what people want is as relevant as people having to offer what we want. The arrogance of our fans is priceless. 

I wouldn't call it arrogance, it is what it is. It has happened to us many times and and will happen again. Swansea are trying to be clever and it isn't going to work. 

Also worth pointing out that JWP is under constant for another 3 yrs, So unless a club offers us what we deem fair price then he stays.

Edited 1 June, 2023 by SaintsFan86
.

[egg]

4 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said:

I wouldn't call it arrogance, it is what it is. It has happened to us many times and and will happen again. Swansea are trying to be clever and it isn't going to work. 

Also worth pointing out that JWP is under constant for another 3 yrs, So unless a club offers us what we deem fair price then he stays.

I'll leave there mate. Assuming that we get our way on arrivals, and what we want on departures, is arrogant and naive. 

[Toussaint]

3 hours ago, SwansFan said:

Not sure how you arrive at that conclusion when nobody seemingly knows exactly what the clause is. If it depends when the approach was made and it was made before last Sunday when you were still playing PL games then of course we should hold out for the full amount. If there are any grey areas or if everyone has to wait for weeks on end then presumably the clubs will find some sort of middle ground to allow everyone to move on quickly.

We don’t need evidence here on Saintsweb, if there’s a gonna be a hangin’ there a gonna be a hangin’ and there ain’t nuthin no one can do about it!

[skintsaint]

2 hours ago, DSB Media said:

Swansea Footgolf  Taken 1st June ...... 

 

Better than staying at home playing computer games.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, DSB Media said:

Swansea Footgolf  Taken 1st June ...... 

 

 

2 hours ago, Crab Lungs said:

Ooooooh I played there!

So did Adam Armstrong, he had a reasonable round , 73 over par. 

[notnowcato]

1 hour ago, egg said:

So would we be "dicks" if West Ham won't pay more than £25m for JWP, and their fans think that's generous, or does this only work one way? 

That’s a different type of scenario as the price is driven by market and demand.
 

Swansea are (possibly) being dicks about a technicality on a clause in the contract. 

[Bad Wolf]

2 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

That’s a different type of scenario as the price is driven by market and demand.
 

Swansea are (possibly) being dicks about a technicality on a clause in the contract. 

No they aren't. A clause is a clause.

[notnowcato]

2 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

No they aren't. A clause is a clause.

Has Martin been approached to manage a Premier League or Championship club?

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, notnowcato said:

Has Martin been approached to manage a Premier League or Championship club?

One for the lawyers. We can afford to wait.

[Bad Wolf]

1 minute ago, notnowcato said:

Has Martin been approached to manage a Premier League or Championship club?

No idea because I'm not sure where the season starts and ends.

But if we are officially still a PL club, we need to either stump up the cash or wait until we're "officially" relegated. 

[notnowcato]

Just now, Bad Wolf said:

No idea because I'm not sure where the season starts and ends.

But if we are officially still a PL club, we need to either stump up the cash or wait until we're "officially" relegated. 

Exactly, only a dick would hold out for the rubber stamping, if indeed that’s the case. 

[Bad Wolf]

Just now, notnowcato said:

Exactly, only a dick would hold out for the rubber stamping, if indeed that’s the case. 

Why?? Why shouldn't they get what they're entitled to?

I bet you wern't whinging when we allegedly took a load of extra cash off Everton due to technicalities in Koeman's contract when they appointed him.

[Weston Super Saint]

25 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

No idea because I'm not sure where the season starts and ends.

But if we are officially still a PL club, we need to either stump up the cash or wait until we're "officially" relegated. 

Weren't we "officially" relegated when they put an "R" next to us in the league table?  Pretty sure there was no way back after that...

[ErwinK1961]

8 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Weren't we "officially" relegated when they put an "R" next to us in the league table?  Pretty sure there was no way back after that...

Which is ironically the same time that Selles first started looking at the table.

[Fan The Flames]

This is better than the Jaffa Cake conundrum.

[Convict Colony]

To be honest I'm will the club on this one.

Be a hardass with Swansea now on Martin, mark their card we won't be push overs before we go back and buy some of their players.