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Badger

Badger

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  On 24/11/2024 at 08:50, CB Fry said:

Who's looking forward to next season on here, where a two nil win at home to Coventry in September will be taken as proof that Russell Martin's methods are totally correct and here he is proving all the doubters wrong.

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A 2-0 win v Frank Lampard’s Coventry (if it happens)will then be held up to defend keeping RM in place until January. No matter where we are in the table 

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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  On 24/11/2024 at 10:36, Fabrice29 said:

Essentially that’s a very long way of saying majority of people that go to games so far don’t agree with you. As for ‘for whatever reason the fans won’t challenge Martin’ maybe it’s because they remember the promotion last season and have some empathy with the challenge for him and the team this season?

As for the bolded bit above, you sound utterly unhinged.

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Takes one to know one Fabrice. How are things at the club’s PR firm. Business going well?

The majority of boycotting fans were correct in 08/09 and those of us with STs propped up a bad regime. 

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Lee On Solent Saint

Lee On Solent Saint

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  On 24/11/2024 at 10:51, Fabrice29 said:

We’ve just been promoted via the play offs after being relegated the year before in 20th position. The idea that everyone should be pissed off because we’re struggling is insane. 

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You really think? Watching this shit is the lowest I've ever felt as a fan in 40 years. Four points from a possible 33, you think thats acceptable? You, Gio and NotNow are the biggest wind up merchants on here. I don't even think you really believe the shit you are coming out with anymore. 

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Bobsmith

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Four more loses and then do we sack Martin? This is entirely on sports republic and Martin isn't good enough. Choosing his mates, playing 5 at the back against weaker teams, and putting possession above cut through are just some of the reasons he will never improve. 

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Fabrice29

Fabrice29

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:00, Lee On Solent Saint said:

You really think? Watching this shit is the lowest I've ever felt as a fan in 40 years. Four points from a possible 33, you think thats acceptable? You, Gio and NotNow are the biggest wind up merchants on here. I don't even think you really believe the shit you are coming out with anymore. 

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Acceptable 😂 Like you’re owed a certain amount of points. 

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Fabrice29

Fabrice29

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  On 24/11/2024 at 10:59, Gloucester Saint said:

Takes one to know one Fabrice. How are things at the club’s PR firm. Business going well?

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Well nobody has stuck up any Albanian flags in the Northam yet in some weird belief that the bbc would give a shit so yeah good stuff so far thanks.

Badger

Badger

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  On 24/11/2024 at 09:07, Toussaint said:

 His entire mission is “brand” Russell Martin, he will think he is destined for much better things.

as for the Guadian, report, 

 Russell Martin, looking ruggedly masculine but in touch with his feelings, then speaks sadly and patiently about his belief in playing football the right way. 

he is pretty much calling him out as a phoney. 

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It seems he sees himself as some sort of crusading football evangelist. Billy Graham on the training ground and touchline.

 

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James

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:02, Fabrice29 said:

Acceptable 😂 Like you’re owed a certain amount of points. 

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No team is owed anything but we are on course to barely better the record lowest points total of any team in the Premier League ever. Don’t think it’s unreasonable to be expecting better than that.

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Badger

Badger

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:03, Fabrice29 said:

Well nobody has stuck up any Albanian flags in the Northam yet in some weird belief that the bbc would give a shit so yeah good stuff so far thanks.

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Second reference I’ve seen to it, but what is the relevance of Albanian flags ? Seems a tenuous one, but what am I missing ? 

LGTL

LGTL

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:09, Badger said:

Second reference I’ve seen to it, but what is the relevance of Albanian flags ? Seems a tenuous one, but what am I missing ? 

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I assume Dragan hates Albanians

Fitzhugh Fella

Fitzhugh Fella

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  On 24/11/2024 at 10:51, Fabrice29 said:

We’ve just been promoted via the play offs after being relegated the year before in 20th position. The idea that everyone should be pissed off because we’re struggling is insane. 

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"We're struggling" is a big understatement. Everyone expected us to struggle but it's far worse than that because we are basically shooting ourselves in the foot each match by playing a system that simply doesn't work. It's the self-inflicted aspect of our demise that is driving everyone nuts and no matter how wonderful that Wembley day in May was, it doesn't give the manager (and the Board) a blank cheque in terms of wanton self-destruction. Open your eyes and ears. I don't mind going down but let's go down with a little bit of fight and common sense.

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Lee On Solent Saint

Lee On Solent Saint

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:02, Fabrice29 said:

Acceptable 😂 Like you’re owed a certain amount of points. 

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Its not even worth entering a discussion/debate with you. You'll always find a way of twisting any comment around to suit your own agenda. However, for clarity, yes I totally understand the concept of how football works, and in no way was I suggesting we are owed points. If you aren't disappionted with how the season has gone so far, I woukld question what kind of fan you are. 

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James

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:11, Fitzhugh Fella said:

"We're struggling" is a big understatement. Everyone expected us to struggle but it's far worse than that because we are basically shooting ourselves in the foot each match by playing a system that simply doesn't work. It's the self-inflicted aspect of our demise that is driving everyone nuts and no matter how wonderful that Wembley day in May was, it doesn't give the manager (and the Board) a blank cheque in terms of wanton self-destruction. Open your eyes and ears. I don't mind going down but let's go down with a little bit of fight and common sense.

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Exactly. The debate at his point is not whether we will go down but whether we will beat the lowest amount of points in a PL season ever. Any board that is happy with that outcome isn’t one I want in charge of my club. 

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Fabrice29

Fabrice29

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:12, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Its not even worth entering a discussion/debate with you. You'll always find a way of twisting any comment around to suit your own agenda. However, for clarity, yes I totally understand the concept of how football works, and in no way was I suggesting we are owed points. If you aren't disappionted with how the season has gone so far, I woukld question what kind of fan you are. 

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I’m obviously disappointed ffs, I’m just not entitled, over reacting or convinced if I swear today I’ll be kicked out. That’s the difference. If this is the lowest you’ve felt in 40 years then try swearing a bit today. The rush you’ll feel when a steward doesn’t even glance at you let alone kick you out is going to be off the scale.

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Fabrice29

Fabrice29

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:07, James said:

No team is owed anything but we are on course to barely better the record lowest points total of any team in the Premier League ever. Don’t think it’s unreasonable to be expecting better than that.

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:08, Gloucester Saint said:

If we break Derby’s low PL points record, will that be a source of pride for you, the manager and the board? 

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When this happens I’m happy to jump on board any kind of hate train, but it hasn’t yet.

LGTL

LGTL

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:16, Fabrice29 said:

 

When this happens I’m happy to jump on board any kind of hate train, but it hasn’t yet.

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So an acceptable season for you is just about beating Derby’s record low points total. You rate Russ so high that that’s your ambition with him at the helm 😂

We’ve been in this league more years than most. Some of us realise we aren’t Blackpool or Luton and just happy to be here. 

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stknowle

stknowle

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:11, Fitzhugh Fella said:

"We're struggling" is a big understatement. Everyone expected us to struggle but it's far worse than that because we are basically shooting ourselves in the foot each match by playing a system that simply doesn't work. It's the self-inflicted aspect of our demise that is driving everyone nuts and no matter how wonderful that Wembley day in May was, it doesn't give the manager (and the Board) a blank cheque in terms of wanton self-destruction. Open your eyes and ears. I don't mind going down but let's go down with a little bit of fight and common sense.

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This 100%. Very well put.

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Fabrice29

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:11, Fitzhugh Fella said:

"We're struggling" is a big understatement. Everyone expected us to struggle but it's far worse than that because we are basically shooting ourselves in the foot each match by playing a system that simply doesn't work. It's the self-inflicted aspect of our demise that is driving everyone nuts and no matter how wonderful that Wembley day in May was, it doesn't give the manager (and the Board) a blank cheque in terms of wanton self-destruction. Open your eyes and ears. I don't mind going down but let's go down with a little bit of fight and common sense.

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We’re not playing any differently to last season, except we don’t have the quality to succeed in this league. That’s my biggest source of frustration at the whole thing. People can talk about shooting ourselves in the foot and systems all they like but we finished bottom of this league last time and it has 3 different managers, at least two different systems (none of which are comparable to todays system) and still a shit load of silly mistakes. 

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Fabrice29

Fabrice29

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:22, LGTL said:

So an acceptable season for you is just about beating Derby’s record low points total. You rate Russ so high that that’s your ambition with him at the helm 😂

We’ve been in this league more years than most. Some of us realise we aren’t Blackpool or Luton and just happy to be here. 

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Yes, you’re entitled because of our ‘history’. I’m slightly less entitled and it’s mainly because I’ve looked at things like the quality of the players on the pitch. Different people, different views. 

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LGTL

LGTL

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:24, Fabrice29 said:

We’re not playing any differently to last season, except we don’t have the quality to succeed in this league. That’s my biggest source of frustration at the whole thing. People can talk about shooting ourselves in the foot and systems all they like but we finished bottom of this league last time and it has 3 different managers, at least two different systems (none of which are comparable to todays system) and still a shit load of silly mistakes. 

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And yet we’re actually still doing worse this season with King Russ in charge. Jones and Selles would be an improvement, you understand that right?

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LGTL

LGTL

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:26, Fabrice29 said:

Yes, you’re entitled because of our ‘history’. I’m slightly less entitled and it’s mainly because I’ve looked at things like the quality of the players on the pitch. Different people, different views. 

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How DARE I expect to muster more points than Derby’s record low total!! The entitlement is off the scale.

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Miltonaggro

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  On 24/11/2024 at 10:36, Fabrice29 said:

Essentially that’s a very long way of saying majority of people that go to games so far don’t agree with you. As for ‘for whatever reason the fans won’t challenge Martin’ maybe it’s because they remember the promotion last season and have some empathy with the challenge for him and the team this season?

As for the bolded bit above, you sound utterly unhinged.

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I suppose that you can only go on personal experience when evaluating a public straw poll.  I haven't missed a home game under Martin, last season and this.  I attend with my kids and extended family / friends and talk to those around me, a mixed bag sociologically.  Also get to observe, absorb and hear what many around me think - it's a football match.  On that basis I think a majority can see that Martin is out of his depth and drowning and that the Board are too inept to take affirmative action.  Fans are currently more exasperated than compliant or indeed empathetic.  I reckon the recent polls on here are about right.  Now, I could be sitting amongst the SFC version of the Baader Meinhoff Gang, but doubt it.  Personally, I don't think we are too far off seeing majority opinion at the next few home games in the same way it was expressed towards Nathan Jones - apathy to anger.  All of this is on the Board, all of it is avoidable - that's the frustration.    

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Sergei Gotsmanov

Sergei Gotsmanov

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:11, Fitzhugh Fella said:

"We're struggling" is a big understatement. Everyone expected us to struggle but it's far worse than that because we are basically shooting ourselves in the foot each match by playing a system that simply doesn't work. It's the self-inflicted aspect of our demise that is driving everyone nuts and no matter how wonderful that Wembley day in May was, it doesn't give the manager (and the Board) a blank cheque in terms of wanton self-destruction. Open your eyes and ears. I don't mind going down but let's go down with a little bit of fight and common sense.

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Exactly. Sadly we are running out of time to give ourselves any hope of surviving this league. The idea that you just play the same way against all teams in the premier league is bonkers. He has made some concessions to his 'style' of football but almost begrudgingly. What he needs to do is have a different plan for each game.

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Fabrice29

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:28, LGTL said:

And yet we’re actually still doing worse this season with King Russ in charge. Jones and Selles would be an improvement, you understand that right?

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Yeah I don’t believe that’s true but suppose it’s subjective. I’d argue Jones and Selles had much better attacking players than we do now and them being in charge of this squad we’d be worse off but anyway, that’s a pointless debate. Literally 😂

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badgerx16

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People harking back to last season as a mark of success; we finished 4th, 9 points off the autos, and conceded 63 goals. Thinking next season in the Championship with RM at the helm will be better, ( or even equal to that ), is highly optimistic.

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Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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  On 24/11/2024 at 10:33, Lord Duckhunter said:

Souness in the Mail 

 

It's fine to talk about playing football 'the right way', but the right way to play football is to get a result. Sometimes you have to be a completely different team in the second half to what you were in the first.

 

Now, from the first whistle to the last, you see teams such as Southampton rolling it out inside their own box. If they don't change, they'll be relegated. If you're so predictable, everyone knows what to do when they play you. If Martin phones up Arne Slot ahead of Sunday's game against Liverpool and says, 'How would you like me to play, Arne?' I guarantee you he would say, 'Well, why don't you roll the ball out from the back? Because we're really good at pressing, we'll nick it off you in and around your 18-yard box and score a goal'. It's madness!

I remember last season, when Manchester City were playing Real Madrid in the Champions League at the Etihad. In the second half, Carlo Ancelotti realised they could not deal with City's press and he told his goalkeeper to start launching it. This is Real Madrid, with the most successful club manager there's ever been, making a change to dig out a result. 

 

 

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Absolutely spot on. 

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RedArmy

RedArmy

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:16, Fabrice29 said:

 

When this happens I’m happy to jump on board any kind of hate train, but it hasn’t yet.

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The fact that it’s even a possibility for a club that went down and came straight back up is a catastrophic failure from everyone involved. 
 

We haven’t spent years in the championship, we haven’t gone any lower. We went down and came straight back up and we are not only worse than when we left the league we might be the worst team to ever play in it. 

 

 

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 24/11/2024 at 10:51, Fabrice29 said:

We’ve just been promoted via the play offs after being relegated the year before in 20th position. The idea that everyone should be pissed off because we’re struggling is insane. 

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Anyone would think Sport Republic didn't buy a decade long established Premier League football club.

Turns out they bought League one level underdogs simply delighted to be so fortunate to ply our trade for one dreamlike season in the top flight.

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saintant

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His treatment of Tall Paul has shown he has zero knowledge about football and that was shown up today as TP showed what he can do if given the opportunity but Russ knows best of course.

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LGTL

LGTL

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  On 24/11/2024 at 16:13, Saint_clark said:

Kudos points to Martin for his next job, zero points to Saints for this season. 

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This is what I fucking hate most about him. He’s doing the best for Russell Martin and not our football club. He’s a huge prick. 

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Gloucester Saint

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  On 24/11/2024 at 16:18, badgerx16 said:

Bugger "Sack Him Now", sack him last month.

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He should have fallen with the month but that bullshitter who line manages him and used to make Phil Giles transfer spreadsheets at Brentford knows better. And Giles’s tea.

Bet it tasted rank as well. Overstewed just like our playing out from the back obsessively.

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petermcpete

petermcpete

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  On 24/11/2024 at 11:14, Fabrice29 said:

I’m obviously disappointed ffs, I’m just not entitled, over reacting or convinced if I swear today I’ll be kicked out. That’s the difference. If this is the lowest you’ve felt in 40 years then try swearing a bit today. The rush you’ll feel when a steward doesn’t even glance at you let alone kick you out is going to be off the scale.

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When I go back to work tomorrow and do absolutely nothing all day, or actively make it clear I don't care about the company, if anyone pulls me up on it I'll be making sure they know I think they're entitled and overreacting.

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Gloucester Saint

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  On 24/11/2024 at 16:29, Dellyears said:

We  may be bottom and in a mess but we have some very good players. Properly managed we would be mid table

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Possibly a bit optimistic but clear the players can and will compete given the licence/ability to ignore the preening, grass-picking buffoon on the touch line. Also 100% clear the manager is the problem and the temperature change from the media and fans was detectable today. He will be toast shortly. 

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aintforever

aintforever

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  On 24/11/2024 at 16:13, Saint_clark said:

Kudos points to Martin for his next job, zero points to Saints for this season. 

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You are deluded if you think losing helps any manager’s job prospects. No Premier League side will go anywhere near Martin after this season’s shit show.

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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  On 24/11/2024 at 16:36, aintforever said:

You are deluded if you think losing helps any manager’s job prospects. No Premier League side will go anywhere near Martin after this season’s shit show.

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Kompany to Bayern? I'm aware that he had a huge name but Martin is getting praise from the best manager in the world. 

aintforever

aintforever

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  On 24/11/2024 at 16:40, Saint_clark said:

Kompany to Bayern? I'm aware that he had a huge name but Martin is getting praise from the best manager in the world. 

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That’s hardly the norm, he got the job because he is a name and Burnley walked the league the season before.

Martin is just dogmatic, that doesn’t mean he is not trying his best to get results, he just has a fucked up idea of how to achieve it.

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