Russell Martin

[tdmickey3]

3 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Martin still being here makes zero sense at all. This clown has lost nine out of eleven games, we are slow in attack and shit in defense due to his tactics . Even the Everton win we got super lucky. I’m struggling to see any reason at all that the board think he will turn it around. Surely this isn’t about saving a poxy 12 million when the  board like to buy about 25 players each window ? Just can’t get my head around it 

Gio will be along in a bit to tell you why he should still be here, probably in 500 words or more of absolute nonsense

[pimpin4rizeal]

2 hours ago, saintant said:

Martin should at least be congratulated for managing to con one of the biggest con merchants in football - I give you Rasmus Ankersen. If anyone seriously thinks Russ has a clue what he's trying to do let alone the brains and talent to do it they are deluded. He hides behind this pretence of some alternative possession based football because he knows he is a very limited coach and this crazy mantra is somehow giving him a little talkability and a bit of kudos with those who swallow it. The man is a snake oil salesman but he's proving to be quite a good one judging by the fact that he's still here after the set of results and performances he's presided over so far this season.

Well the fans certainly are not buying his oil must be about 90 percent want him gone ..I’ve never seen such a lost cause he comes across soft as shit and like he would be proud of how brave they are if we lost 5-0 .. I’d rather have jones back not joking 

I miss the days of cortese’s ruthless streak .. now look at us 9 losses and everything is fine 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Realistically who are you going to remake Russell Martin with?

Realistically?

It’s a short list.

If the list is short then the standard of football coaches in the world must be extremely poor. The reality is that he can and should be replaced asap. The caveat that needs to be factored in is that SR and the clowns running it will currently be the ones tasked with naming our next manager - maybe it's time Dragan put his foot down and took some advice at a high level for recommendations of a new football director to get this shit show back on the road leading to progress rather than continual regression. The club is crying out for a football man to run it and put the SR charlatans back in their respective boxes.

[Miltonaggro]

The comments about not being able to replace Martin is plain daft, managers with PL and top European league experience are clearly available, as well as arguably better prospects than Martin in the national set ups or Championship if we have to dip down there yet again.  When we decisively replaced Hughes (P15 9pts) with Hassenhutl start of December 2018, I remember being pleasantly surprised - not in need of resuscitation 

[FarehamSaintJames]

Easy to  argue that managers are available that have PL and European experience. Doesn’t mean that Saintsnis in any way appealing to them.
A team bottom of the league, sub-standard players, not much of a footballing hierarchy above them and probably not much money to spend and improve.

I’d be pretty confident that if we sacked Russell Martin the new manager would be to Nathan Jones levels after Ralph Hassenhutl left.

[Galway saint]

Having checked the league tables in all four divisions, I see that we have the least number of goals scored by some distance. I appreciate we don’t have the best forward line in history, but it’s a sad indictment of the way we play the game, that it generates so few goals. 

[CB Fry]

We've got a back five with three full England internationals. Russell Martin should be doing better.

[Weston Super Saint]

5 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We've got a back five with three full England internationals. Russell Martin should be doing better.

As well as a German and a Polish international.

[Oldandtired]

10 minutes ago, Galway saint said:

Having checked the league tables in all four divisions, I see that we have the least number of goals scored by some distance. I appreciate we don’t have the best forward line in history, but it’s a sad indictment of the way we play the game, that it generates so few goals. 

We generate a few for the opposing team.

[Turkish]

13 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We've got a back five with three full England internationals. Russell Martin should be doing better.

And an Irish and Polish international 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

29 minutes ago, Turkish said:

And an Irish and Polish international 

And a Cornish, um yeah........

[AlexLaw76]

45 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We've got a back five with three full England internationals. Russell Martin should be doing better.

nah, mate. No better than top 3rd of the Championship.

[Sheaf Saint]

1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

And a Cornish, um yeah........

Wasn't someone on here a few years ago banging on about him being better than Harry Maguire? 

[Dellyears]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

We've got a back five with three full England internationals. Russell Martin should be doing better.

Our squad is not rubbish as some on here have said. There are good quality players lining up for us. We haven't got a manager who knows how to use them.

[Sheaf Saint]

3 minutes ago, Dellyears said:

Our squad is not rubbish as some on here have said. There are good quality players lining up for us. We haven't got a manager who knows how to use them.

It really is this simple. The squad has limitations, but we've got some good players whose strengths just aren't being utilised.

I thought Ankersen was supposed to be all about data and analytics? Surely his spreadsheets must show that there is a clear discrepancy between the player metrics and the number of points we've got. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

8 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

It really is this simple. The squad has limitations, but we've got some good players whose strengths just aren't being utilised.

I thought Ankersen was supposed to be all about data and analytics? Surely his spreadsheets must show that there is a clear discrepancy between the player metrics and the number of points we've got. 

Perhaps the data is used the other way, as a hangover from Brighton staying up.

Martin will look at all the stats supporting his system, looking to develop or recruit for the missing bits. As Brighton were creating, but not converting, we are possessing the ball withouth the transition.

At no point are they wondering if it's the system that's a bust.

[Miltonaggro]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

We've got a back five with three full England internationals. Russell Martin should be doing better.

Plus a German international centre half on the Xbox and Der Kaiser a shoe in. Escape to Victory levels.

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

We've got a back five with three full England internationals. Russell Martin should be doing better.

Two of which have been relegated before in this league and the other is in his first PL season. 

[CB Fry]

14 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Two of which have been relegated before in this league and the other is in his first PL season. 

I posted it within a minute of THB stepping on the pitch for the first time, it was a teeny bit tongue in cheek 😜 😝🤪😛😜🤣😹💩🥳🎉🍺🍻🥂🕺

It's Sunday sweetheart you can take a day off from the Sport Republic Public Relations department 

[Whitey Grandad]

6 hours ago, saintant said:

Not without a fully comprehensive report from the best engineer the AA can put forward and, even then, I'd demand a 10 year warranty covering every part, whistle and bell including normal wear and tear. 

But as long as you’ve got possession nothing else matters.

[Whitey Grandad]

55 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

It really is this simple. The squad has limitations, but we've got some good players whose strengths just aren't being utilised.

I thought Ankersen was supposed to be all about data and analytics? Surely his spreadsheets must show that there is a clear discrepancy between the player metrics and the number of points we've got. 

He’s got his spreadsheets upside down.

[Fabrice29]

25 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I posted it within a minute of THB stepping on the pitch for the first time, it was a teeny bit tongue in cheek 😜 😝🤪😛😜🤣😹💩🥳🎉🍺🍻🥂🕺

It's Sunday sweetheart you can take a day off from the Sport Republic Public Relations department 

Talking of taking days off hun, try not to look so keen 😉

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

It really is this simple. The squad has limitations, but we've got some good players whose strengths just aren't being utilised.

I thought Ankersen was supposed to be all about data and analytics? Surely his spreadsheets must show that there is a clear discrepancy between the player metrics and the number of points we've got. 

Who would that be, specifically? Pretty much everyone I can think of is basically doing as well as they have at any point in their career. Cornet perhaps but he seemed to have lost his way long before he got to St Mary’s, hence he was available for loan in the first place.

[Sheaf Saint]

11 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Who would that be, specifically? Pretty much everyone I can think of is basically doing as well as they have at any point in their career. Cornet perhaps but he seemed to have lost his way long before he got to St Mary’s, hence he was available for loan in the first place.

KWP. He was at his absolute best for us when he was given the freedom to make those marauding runs down the wing and cause havoc in opposition defences. But we don't see anywhere near enough of that from him these days because of Russ's 'play it safe' mentality. He's being shackled and doesn't look happy.

Tall Paul. Proven goal-scorer throughout his career. Clearly gives opposition defenders nightmares in the few cameo appearances we've seen from him so far, but we don't play to his strengths because our slow, ponderous build-up play gives opposing teams too much time to organise themselves defensively and mark him effectively. In all his minutes so far this season, I think I can count on one hand the amount of times we've actually tried to cross the ball to him.

BBD. Again, proven goal scorer in the Championship and has shown he is also capable of getting goals in the PL when employed as a traditional, physical centre forward. So what does Russ do? Sticks him out on the left wing where he looks completely lost because he has none of the attributes needed to be an effective winger.

Fraser. I don't know what's going on with him/his form this season, but he has performed at a higher level in the PL in the past so clearly doesn't fit with your description of "basically doing as well as they have at any point in their career". Again, if he were given the chance to play and licence to actually run at defenders in the way that we know he can, he would cause problems and create openings. But Russ seems to prefer Manning in that position these days.

ABK. OK so something weird has gone on behind the scenes, and I guess we'll never know the full truth of it, but the simple fact is we have a German international CB who has looked decent for us in the past (he was excellent for us before his shoulder injury), who says he is fit and ready to play but is being left out of the matchday squad completely. Maybe with Bednarek's injury he might get the chance to prove himself again, but I'm not holding my breath.

Big Les. Clearly has talent and physical strength, but has really struggled in his recent appearances because he's being asked to play in a position that doesn't suit his strengths. Whether or not he will go on to be a successful PL player is still in doubt, but we'll never know until we play him in a position where we can get the best out of him. The famous Einstein quote about judging a fish by its ability to climb a tree springs to mind.

And finally an honorary mention to the now departed Charly Alcaraz - who was genuinely the most exciting player I've seen in a Saints shirt in many years but was allowed to leave on the cheap because he was too unpredictable and wasn't suited to Russball due to taking too many risks in the final third.

[Lighthouse]

KWP - Not at his absolute best for us but still decent and has been somewhat restricted by having to play LB at times. Suga does an excellent job of getting forward down the right and supporting attacks so I don't think it's a tactical problem as such.

Tall Paul - Only ever scored goals in leagues where De Ridder, Tosun and Elyounoussi were good. 30 years old and has never scored in any top European league.

BBD - Is a Championship stiker, nothing more. 6 goals last season isn't enough to say we should be dropping Archer for him and he just looks like a donkey on the ball.

Fraser - Just isn't fit. Has a long career history of going missing.

ABK - Clearly some sort of personal issue with him, doesn't seem to want to be here at all. Not looked committed since Ralph left.

Les - Chelsea youth player. He may be highly rated at that level but so was Jacob Melis.

Alcaraz - Didn't look up to scratch in the Championship, or at Juve and nobody in Europe wanted to buy him 'on the cheap' either. Sold him for the money we used to buy Ramsdale, so no complaints here.

 

[danjosaint]

Well Les wasn't a chelsea youth team player he cost £23m from Rennes

[Pamplemousse]

Disagree RE Alcaraz. He was OK, but often went missing in games. Selling him in and bringing in Fernandes was definitely the right decision.

[Sheaf Saint]

3 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

KWP - Not at his absolute best for us but still decent and has been somewhat restricted by having to play LB at times.

Does that not just strengthen the argument that he isn't being utilised properly?

[Lighthouse]

34 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Does that not just strengthen the argument that he isn't being utilised properly?

I would argue that Suga right and KWP left is probably the best way to utilise our FBs collectively. That involves KWP being in not his strongest possition but overall better than having him at RB with Taylor or Manning on the other side.

It's much the same with BBD and Paul. If you want to play both of them in their strongest position you're going to have to drop Archer, who looks like a better striker than either of them, and make a sacrifice elsewhere on the pitch. We've got about 32/33 players on the books who you could class as first team options, clearly two thirds of them aren't going to be 'utilised to their full (albeit very low) potential' whoever we pick.

[LGTL]

If we sacked Martin tomorrow, which PL team would have him? Absolutely fucking nobody. 

It’s ludicrous that we haven’t acted. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

7 minutes ago, LGTL said:

If we sacked Martin tomorrow, which PL team would have him? Absolutely fucking nobody. 

It’s ludicrous that we haven’t acted. 

Pep learned a lot from him apparently, and hasn't signed a new contract that I'm aware of... 🙂

[pimpin4rizeal]

On 17/11/2024 at 17:48, FarehamSaintJames said:

Easy to  argue that managers are available that have PL and European experience. Doesn’t mean that Saintsnis in any way appealing to them.
A team bottom of the league, sub-standard players, not much of a footballing hierarchy above them and probably not much money to spend and improve.

I’d be pretty confident that if we sacked Russell Martin the new manager would be to Nathan Jones levels after Ralph Hassenhutl left.

Mate even if we brought back hoddle adkins pardew or puel they would all be a huge upgrade you gotta be creative to think of anyone worse 

[beatlesaint]

24 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Pep learned a lot from him apparently, and hasn't signed a new contract that I'm aware of... 🙂

Yeah they’ve lost every bloody game since then haven’t they?

[Miltonaggro]

28 minutes ago, LGTL said:

If we sacked Martin tomorrow, which PL team would have him? Absolutely fucking nobody. 

It’s ludicrous that we haven’t acted. 

I genuinely think Championship teams would also think twice.  He's consecutively underachieved in two divisions at a relatively large club with relatively substantial resources, and the CV has very little success as player or coach.  Could see him back at a club like MK Dons, possibly low end Championship on a substantial pay cut once the inevitable SFC severance pay runs out.    

[Holmes_and_Watson]

19 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Yeah they’ve lost every bloody game since then haven’t they?

Got to break it, to rebuild it. That was one of the things Pep learned. 🙂

[notnowcato]

54 minutes ago, LGTL said:

If we sacked Martin tomorrow, which PL team would have him? Absolutely fucking nobody. 

It’s ludicrous that we haven’t acted. 

If we sacked the first team squad not many are going to Premier League clubs outside the bottom 4. 

[notnowcato]

20 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

I genuinely think Championship teams would also think twice.  He's consecutively underachieved in two divisions at a relatively large club with relatively substantial resources, and the CV has very little success as player or coach.  Could see him back at a club like MK Dons, possibly low end Championship on a substantial pay cut once the inevitable SFC severance pay runs out.    

Underachieved? Really?!  
Fuck me, we really don’t need to go there again, Shirley. 

[Badger]

29 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

I genuinely think Championship teams would also think twice.  He's consecutively underachieved in two divisions at a relatively large club with relatively substantial resources, and the CV has very little success as player or coach.  Could see him back at a club like MK Dons, possibly low end Championship on a substantial pay cut once the inevitable SFC severance pay runs out.    

Norwich, his spiritual home. Said he wanted to go back there one day. 

[CB Fry]

When we sack him I think the job he would want next, and could get, and he'd do well in, is Glasgow Rangers.

An absolute gift to him.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

When we sack him I think the job he would want next, and could get, and he'd do well in, is Glasgow Rangers.

An absolute gift to him.

Rangers fans expect wins. They would not put up with 30 passes across the back waiting for gaps to appear in sides looking to stay as compact as possible, and only venture forward on the counter.

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Rangers fans expect wins. They would not put up with 30 passes across the back waiting for gaps to appear in sides looking to stay as compact as possible, and only venture forward on the counter.

What, like the 28 we got last season? If he went to Rangers, it'd basically be like last season but if Ipswich and Leeds didn't exist.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

15 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

What, like the 28 we got last season? If he went to Rangers, it'd basically be like last season but if Ipswich and Leeds didn't exist.

Rangers are in a bad place by their standards, with an under fire board, manager, a patchy squad and limited resources.

They still look to be competing with Celtic, whether that's realistic or not.

The expectation from their fans, compared to ours is a different level. Martin would be firmly told where to go, if he trotted out possession stats.

[pimpin4rizeal]

As mad as this might sound I’d actually jump at the chance to have hoddle back.. was one of the best England managers ever .. was amazing here too and also made us solid as Fuck defensively which is something you hardly ever think of Southampton being .. 

everyone seems to have some weird we must get in young managers attitude but hodgson was great in the prem..  hoddle might not be young and in the best health anymore but I’m 100 percent certain he at least has common sense, knows how to set up a team well and would probably be an idol to the likes of Fernandes and dibling  

coukd he really do any worse the the Towie version of Jan poortvilet ?

[Mr X]

Will things turn nasty if we get ripped a new one on Sunday? I guess while people are still turning up to watch a Russell Martin team they will persist and they know we aren't a massive protest club anyway

[notnowcato]

Sunday will go down in Saints history as the dawning of the new age, the rise of The Saints, football freaks to the deliverance of the promised brand of football. Some sad sacks will be apoplectic as they know from this point football has no further room for improvement, it’s been completed. Done. 
 

Arne Slot my arse!! Fuck you bin dippers, you’re behind the curve now. 

[Lighthouse]

45 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Rangers are in a bad place by their standards, with an under fire board, manager, a patchy squad and limited resources.

They still look to be competing with Celtic, whether that's realistic or not.

The expectation from their fans, compared to ours is a different level. Martin would be firmly told where to go, if he trotted out possession stats.

He doesn't though, it's people on this forum who are always trotting out possession stats, not him.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

He doesn't though, it's people on this forum who are always trotting out possession stats, not him.

He's quick to tell everyone his teams are brave though. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

10 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

He's quick to tell everyone his teams are brave though. 

Yeah brave Is his version of front footed and aggressiveness from Jones .. when you listen to his interviews it’s 95 percent bullshit waffle with no indication of what he’s gonna do to even try to rectify things ..  in fact he just tries to paper it over whilst saying how he should stick to his principles ..

at least Jones actually felt like he was trying to do different things under Martin it just seems a total lost cause 

[tdmickey3]

Just wondering how long the Martin apologists will keep their head in the sand when we only achieve the pathetic points total we are on course for and what excuses they will trumpet on here to justify it ?

[Saint in Paradise]

Quite frankly I wouldn't even wish RM  on Portsmouth.