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28 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Appreciate the fair way of asking - thank you. 
 

If RM was found guilty of criminal activity he should go. 

If we go down two leagues he should go. 


If he loses his composure and starts biting back at fans, blaming them - he should go.
 

Otherwise I think he has a two or three year contract? If he has not delivered in that time or we are not sufficiently progressed on the long term plan ( that I have not seen but can guess at) then do not renew. Week by week results I’m not so obsessed on as the rest here. I try to look longer term. 

RM is there not just to deliver for SFC ~ but to deliver for SR. And frankly that’s the more important part. If he is not delivering to SR he will be gone soon enough don’t worry. I personally do not want that to happen and hope that a man we’ve given two or three years to fix something will be allowed that two or three years to fix it. As others have said- replacing him is unlikely to change the outcome of this season. Second half of this season is basically a free hit for the concept and playbook, without the pressure or fear of relegation. 

So you would still support him if he had us finishing 21st in the Championship next season? Your standards are far too low.

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The Russell Martin effect so far, according to WhoScored.com:

+ Strengths

(Team has no significant strengths)

- Weaknesses

Finishing scoring chances
Weak
Defending against long shots
Weak
Defending against through ball attacks
Weak
Protecting the lead
Weak
Aerial duels
Weak
Avoiding individual errors
Very Weak
Defending set pieces
Very Weak
Stopping opponents from creating chances
Very Weak

Southampton's Style of Play

  • Short passes
  • Possession football
  • Attacking down the right
  • Aggressive
  • Playing in their own half
 
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@gio1saints WE are probably going down anyway. We’ve been in Div one and got back. Long timers have seen the cycles endlessly repeat.  This way of doing it is different. Disastrously so? Maybe but relegation is relegation and we been there a bunch of times and it does not scare me.

I found that line particularly empowering. Fear not the short term humiliations, or even the risk of disaster. We have gazed into that abyss and been the stronger for it. Be strong. Be brave. Keep the goal in mind more than counting the steps needed to get there.

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1 minute ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

The Russell Martin effect so far, according to WhoScored.com:

 

+ Strengths

(Team has no significant strengths)

- Weaknesses

Finishing scoring chances
Weak
Defending against long shots
Weak
Defending against through ball attacks
Weak
Protecting the lead
Weak
Aerial duels
Weak
Avoiding individual errors
Very Weak
Defending set pieces
Very Weak
Stopping opponents from creating chances
Very Weak

Southampton's Style of Play

  • Short passes
  • Possession football
  • Attacking down the right
  • Aggressive
  • Playing in their own half
 
© WhoScored.com

I can't believe we're that good against through ball attacks, protecting the lead, aerial duels and finishing scoring chances.

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31 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Appreciate the fair way of asking - thank you. 
 

If RM was found guilty of criminal activity he should go. 

If we go down two leagues he should go. 


If he loses his composure and starts biting back at fans, blaming them - he should go.
 

Otherwise I think he has a two or three year contract? If he has not delivered in that time or we are not sufficiently progressed on the long term plan ( that I have not seen but can guess at) then do not renew. Week by week results I’m not so obsessed on as the rest here. I try to look longer term. 

RM is there not just to deliver for SFC ~ but to deliver for SR. And frankly that’s the more important part. If he is not delivering to SR he will be gone soon enough don’t worry. I personally do not want that to happen and hope that a man we’ve given two or three years to fix something will be allowed that two or three years to fix it. As others have said- replacing him is unlikely to change the outcome of this season. Second half of this season is basically a free hit for the concept and playbook, without the pressure or fear of relegation. 

Jesus H Christ, do you actually believe the utter tripe you write?

WTF is he actually achieving for anybody ?...... If his target is to create the worst set of results/points/goals conceded for a club in premier league history, he`s bang on to achieve that and if SR are happy for this to happen then we are truly fucked.

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13 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

The Russell Martin effect so far, according to WhoScored.com:

 

+ Strengths

(Team has no significant strengths)

- Weaknesses

Finishing scoring chances
Weak
Defending against long shots
Weak
Defending against through ball attacks
Weak
Protecting the lead
Weak
Aerial duels
Weak
Avoiding individual errors
Very Weak
Defending set pieces
Very Weak
Stopping opponents from creating chances
Very Weak

Southampton's Style of Play

  • Shit passes
  • Pointless Possession football
  • Attacking down the right
  • Aggressive
  • Playing entirely  in their own half
  • Giving ball away in own penalty box
 
© WhoScored.com

Made a few changes to the post quoted for accuracy

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45 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Appreciate the fair way of asking - thank you. 
 

If RM was found guilty of criminal activity he should go. 

If we go down two leagues he should go. 


If he loses his composure and starts biting back at fans, blaming them - he should go.
 

Otherwise I think he has a two or three year contract? If he has not delivered in that time or we are not sufficiently progressed on the long term plan ( that I have not seen but can guess at) then do not renew. Week by week results I’m not so obsessed on as the rest here. I try to look longer term. 

RM is there not just to deliver for SFC ~ but to deliver for SR. And frankly that’s the more important part. If he is not delivering to SR he will be gone soon enough don’t worry. I personally do not want that to happen and hope that a man we’ve given two or three years to fix something will be allowed that two or three years to fix it. As others have said- replacing him is unlikely to change the outcome of this season. Second half of this season is basically a free hit for the concept and playbook, without the pressure or fear of relegation. 

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52 minutes ago, coalman said:

What would sufficient progress against the plan look like? In particular - where should we be right now? Where should we be by the end of December? Where should we be by the end of the season? How will we know the plan is working?

I have not see the plan so cannot tell you accurate physical targets but assuredly bottom with this few points is not hitting a target. It would, however, be in the realm of possible or even probable eventualities preseason for SR. 

All I have is my impression that we are trying to break the mould trying to do something that should be impossible. Being bottom three is not and should not be coming as a surprise to SR. 

There are so many examples in so many spheres of life in which persistence courage and stubborn never say die belief beats better stronger bigger challenges. 
 

Unlike many I also see merit in most of our performances to date. Points not there yet, but, to me, clear signs in game performance that it CAN work. Don't believe in luck but we certainly have been fucked out of at least four or six points this season already which would make the position more realistic and we have some decent players. ( not enough though- too many not good enough). 
 

IF and WHEN it clicks it should be orgasmic. IF it does not, and time is run out already probably, we will have to start again from the Championship. Not a shame. I enjoyed watching us win for a change last year. Not Sry if that sounds “ unambitious” but if anything I am more ambitious that the RM out crew as I do not want the endless mediocrity we experience as Saints fans to be our forever destiny. I’d rather we go down playing and believing in a cause than whimper and grovel around the bottom of the league a Few years - and then go down when it’s our turn anyway. 
 

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26 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

The Russell Martin effect so far, according to WhoScored.com:

 

+ Strengths

(Team has no significant strengths)

- Weaknesses

Finishing scoring chances
Weak
Defending against long shots
Weak
Defending against through ball attacks
Weak
Protecting the lead
Weak
Aerial duels
Weak
Avoiding individual errors
Very Weak
Defending set pieces
Very Weak
Stopping opponents from creating chances
Very Weak

Southampton's Style of Play

  • Short passes
  • Possession football
  • Attacking down the right
  • Aggressive
  • Playing in their own half
 
© WhoScored.com

There are none so blind as them that cannot see.

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2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

In my world if anyone refuses to do the job the way that the management want them to they are open to termination of contract.

This has puzzled me for a while. We used to have appraisal meetings with staff where we discussed perceived strengths and weakness and what could be done to improve any areas of underperformance. You would expect the senior management to sit down with him and talk about performance and what needs to be done to change things. If that has happened and they have all agreed more of the same is the way to go… 😵💫

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2 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

I have not see the plan so cannot tell you accurate physical targets but assuredly bottom with this few points is not hitting a target. It would, however, be in the realm of possible or even probable eventualities preseason for SR. 

All I have is my impression that we are trying to break the mould trying to do something that should be impossible. Being bottom three is not and should not be coming as a surprise to SR. 

There are so many examples in so many spheres of life in which persistence courage and stubborn never say die belief beats better stronger bigger challenges. 
 

Unlike many I also see merit in most of our performances to date. Points not there yet, but, to me, clear signs in game performance that it CAN work. Don't believe in luck but we certainly have been fucked out of at least four or six points this season already which would make the position more realistic and we have done decent players. 
 

IF and WHEN it clicks it should be orgasmic. IF it does not, and time is run out already probably, we will have to start again from the Championship. Not a shame. I enjoyed watching us win for a change last year. Not Sry if that sounds “ unambitious” but if anything I am more ambitious that the TM our crew as I do not want the endless mediocrity we experience as Saints fans to be our forever destiny. I’d rather we go down playing and believing in a cause than whimper and grovel around the bottom of the league a Few years - and then go down when it’s our turn anyway. 
 

Hahahahahaha

Which performances exactly? 

The merit in performances is points and we have 4, yes a pathetic 4...... and showing no signs of increasing that number

Mediocrity would be a dream at the moment

We are shit and you seem to think that is an achievement.... Incredible delusion

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7 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

I have not see the plan so cannot tell you accurate physical targets but assuredly bottom with this few points is not hitting a target. It would, however, be in the realm of possible or even probable eventualities preseason for SR. 

I'm not asking what SR's targets are - I'm asking what you would want to see. For example - you said that you'd be ok to keep Martin if we were relegated but didn't get relegated next season.

So where you would be happy with at Christmas to feel confident the plan is working? What would you want to see if we were relegated to feel confident that Martin was the correct manager to keep next season?

Let me give you an example - one metric you might use to determine whether we're in a good spot would be to compare the xG and xGA for each match to see if we're making better opportunities than our opponents. So, hypothetically, if we're consistently expected to concede 1 or more goal more than our opponents every game then would you consider that to be a sign that our style / plan isn't working?

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11 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

This has puzzled me for a while. We used to have appraisal meetings with staff where we discussed perceived strengths and weakness and what could be done to improve any areas of underperformance. You would expect the senior management to sit down with him and talk about performance and what needs to be done to change things. If that has happened and they have all agreed more of the same is the way to go… 😵💫

you'd think the players might be gossiping during their coffee breaks too. 🤷‍♀️

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1 hour ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

The Russell Martin effect so far, according to WhoScored.com:

 

+ Strengths

(Team has no significant strengths)

- Weaknesses

Finishing scoring chances
Weak
Defending against long shots
Weak
Defending against through ball attacks
Weak
Protecting the lead
Weak
Aerial duels
Weak
Avoiding individual errors
Very Weak
Defending set pieces
Very Weak
Stopping opponents from creating chances
Very Weak

Southampton's Style of Play

  • Short passes
  • Possession football
  • Attacking down the right
  • Aggressive
  • Playing in their own half
 
© WhoScored.com

Football superpower legacy right fucking there.

Things can't get better than that.

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3 hours ago, gio1saints said:

@Farmer Saint is one of the few talking sensibly on here atm. Maybe running a farm gets you realistic about real life but I don’t think his assessment of our current situation is too far wrong. People should listen carefully cos he knows his stuff.

Add Farmer Saint to Glasgow/ Heisenberg/ Nairobi/ Gio's ever-growing list of alternate log-ins 

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1 hour ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

The Russell Martin effect so far, according to WhoScored.com:

 

+ Strengths

(Team has no significant strengths)

- Weaknesses

Finishing scoring chances
Weak
Defending against long shots
Weak
Defending against through ball attacks
Weak
Protecting the lead
Weak
Aerial duels
Weak
Avoiding individual errors
Very Weak
Defending set pieces
Very Weak
Stopping opponents from creating chances
Very Weak

Southampton's Style of Play

  • Short passes
  • Possession football
  • Attacking down the right
  • Aggressive
  • Playing in their own half
© WhoScored.com

Rasmus conducting Rusty's appraisal: 

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1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

I have not see the plan so cannot tell you accurate physical targets but assuredly bottom with this few points is not hitting a target. It would, however, be in the realm of possible or even probable eventualities preseason for SR. 

All I have is my impression that we are trying to break the mould trying to do something that should be impossible. Being bottom three is not and should not be coming as a surprise to SR. 

There are so many examples in so many spheres of life in which persistence courage and stubborn never say die belief beats better stronger bigger challenges. 
 

Unlike many I also see merit in most of our performances to date. Points not there yet, but, to me, clear signs in game performance that it CAN work. Don't believe in luck but we certainly have been fucked out of at least four or six points this season already which would make the position more realistic and we have some decent players. ( not enough though- too many not good enough). 
 

IF and WHEN it clicks it should be orgasmic. IF it does not, and time is run out already probably, we will have to start again from the Championship. Not a shame. I enjoyed watching us win for a change last year. Not Sry if that sounds “ unambitious” but if anything I am more ambitious that the RM out crew as I do not want the endless mediocrity we experience as Saints fans to be our forever destiny. I’d rather we go down playing and believing in a cause than whimper and grovel around the bottom of the league a Few years - and then go down when it’s our turn anyway. 
 

I love mediocrity. It kept us in the Premier League for a long time. Out of interest, how did you feel about the 90's when we were whimpering and grovelling around the bottom every year? You must have fuckin hated supporting us back then.

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If in the unlikely event that the people running the club are geniuses who see something nobody on this planet has seen in over a century of football to expect supporters to go and watch the unwatchable work in progress and pay is dishonest in the extreme. To sell it as competing in the Premier League is a scam.

If they want to run it as a project then try and sell it to the supporters as such, accepting virtually losing every match, not competing and preparing to be relegated without trying to stay up. I don't buy that.

Trying to sign players would be completely dishonest without admitting we and they aren't good enough, that'll work. 

What I see is unwatchable going nowhere garbage that the average player is unable to play at this level. Martin's project is fatally flawed because it doesn't work.

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30 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I love mediocrity. It kept us in the Premier League for a long time. Out of interest, how did you feel about the 90's when we were whimpering and grovelling around the bottom every year? You must have fuckin hated supporting us back then.

I imagine he hated le tiss because he didn't play simple sideways and backwards passes every time and instead created something out of nothing and treated football like something spontaneous and artistic instead of stats and a spreadsheet.

And no one wants to see spontaneous and creative football, that would just be anarchy!

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11 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

 

Really like the visuals but don't agree with any of the three points. There must be performance caveats in the contract, I reckon the majority want to see the back of him and personally, I don't believe our squad is that much worse than quite a few teams in the league.

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2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

This has puzzled me for a while. We used to have appraisal meetings with staff where we discussed perceived strengths and weakness and what could be done to improve any areas of underperformance. You would expect the senior management to sit down with him and talk about performance and what needs to be done to change things. If that has happened and they have all agreed more of the same is the way to go… 😵💫

He’s managing a football club, not filing for the CPS.
 

Appraisal, dear god. I bet you think injured players have a return to work interview when fit again :mcinnes:

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2 hours ago, gio1saints said:

I have not see the plan so cannot tell you accurate physical targets but assuredly bottom with this few points is not hitting a target. It would, however, be in the realm of possible or even probable eventualities preseason for SR. 

All I have is my impression that we are trying to break the mould trying to do something that should be impossible. Being bottom three is not and should not be coming as a surprise to SR. 

There are so many examples in so many spheres of life in which persistence courage and stubborn never say die belief beats better stronger bigger challenges. 
 

Unlike many I also see merit in most of our performances to date. Points not there yet, but, to me, clear signs in game performance that it CAN work. Don't believe in luck but we certainly have been fucked out of at least four or six points this season already which would make the position more realistic and we have some decent players. ( not enough though- too many not good enough). 
 

IF and WHEN it clicks it should be orgasmic. IF it does not, and time is run out already probably, we will have to start again from the Championship. Not a shame. I enjoyed watching us win for a change last year. Not Sry if that sounds “ unambitious” but if anything I am more ambitious that the RM out crew as I do not want the endless mediocrity we experience as Saints fans to be our forever destiny. I’d rather we go down playing and believing in a cause than whimper and grovel around the bottom of the league a Few years - and then go down when it’s our turn anyway. 
 

You're not Rasmus Ankersen are you? I imagine a lot of this in the books he writes.

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2 hours ago, gio1saints said:

I have not see the plan so cannot tell you accurate physical targets but assuredly bottom with this few points is not hitting a target. It would, however, be in the realm of possible or even probable eventualities preseason for SR. 

All I have is my impression that we are trying to break the mould trying to do something that should be impossible. Being bottom three is not and should not be coming as a surprise to SR. 

There are so many examples in so many spheres of life in which persistence courage and stubborn never say die belief beats better stronger bigger challenges. 
 

Unlike many I also see merit in most of our performances to date. Points not there yet, but, to me, clear signs in game performance that it CAN work. Don't believe in luck but we certainly have been fucked out of at least four or six points this season already which would make the position more realistic and we have some decent players. ( not enough though- too many not good enough). 
 

IF and WHEN it clicks it should be orgasmic. IF it does not, and time is run out already probably, we will have to start again from the Championship. Not a shame. I enjoyed watching us win for a change last year. Not Sry if that sounds “ unambitious” but if anything I am more ambitious that the RM out crew as I do not want the endless mediocrity we experience as Saints fans to be our forever destiny. I’d rather we go down playing and believing in a cause than whimper and grovel around the bottom of the league a Few years - and then go down when it’s our turn anyway. 
 

I enjoyed watching us win games in the Premier League for many years, when we used to actually attack teams. We didn't win all the time, but at least we looked like we tried to win, not knocking it around to prove a point (and await the inevitable). 

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3 hours ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

The Russell Martin effect so far, according to WhoScored.com:

 

+ Strengths

(Team has no significant strengths)

- Weaknesses

Finishing scoring chances
Weak
Defending against long shots
Weak
Defending against through ball attacks
Weak
Protecting the lead
Weak
Aerial duels
Weak
Avoiding individual errors
Very Weak
Defending set pieces
Very Weak
Stopping opponents from creating chances
Very Weak

Southampton's Style of Play

  • Short passes
  • Possession football
  • Attacking down the right
  • Aggressive
  • Playing in their own half
 
© WhoScored.com


This has absolutely cracked me up 😂


Strengths: None

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3 hours ago, Turkish said:

This x 1000 brilliant post

Truth Passes Through Three Stages: First, It Is Ridiculed. Second, It Is Violently Opposed. Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident

 

Russball has achieved stage one, when the fans start to turn to opposition then he will have achieved stage 2. Soon we will see the world turn to Russball as the new gold standard of soccerball and everyone will except he is a genius and he'll be up there with Cruyff and Guardiola as the revolutionaries of the game. 

then he will have created a new dynasty, the new normal, the global soccerball super power we all want us to be.

Like Russball, it need patience but its incredible that people cant see what he is achieving here.

Now here’s a thought. What would happen in a game where both teams played Russball?

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3 hours ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

The Russell Martin effect so far, according to WhoScored.com:

 

+ Strengths

(Team has no significant strengths)

- Weaknesses

Finishing scoring chances
Weak
Defending against long shots
Weak
Defending against through ball attacks
Weak
Protecting the lead
Weak
Aerial duels
Weak
Avoiding individual errors
Very Weak
Defending set pieces
Very Weak
Stopping opponents from creating chances
Very Weak

Southampton's Style of Play

  • Short passes
  • Possession football
  • Attacking down the right
  • Aggressive
  • Playing in their own half
 
© WhoScored.com

So. What’s not to like?

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3 hours ago, gio1saints said:

I have not see the plan so cannot tell you accurate physical targets but assuredly bottom with this few points is not hitting a target. It would, however, be in the realm of possible or even probable eventualities preseason for SR. 

All I have is my impression that we are trying to break the mould trying to do something that should be impossible. Being bottom three is not and should not be coming as a surprise to SR. 

There are so many examples in so many spheres of life in which persistence courage and stubborn never say die belief beats better stronger bigger challenges. 
 

Unlike many I also see merit in most of our performances to date. Points not there yet, but, to me, clear signs in game performance that it CAN work. Don't believe in luck but we certainly have been fucked out of at least four or six points this season already which would make the position more realistic and we have some decent players. ( not enough though- too many not good enough). 
 

IF and WHEN it clicks it should be orgasmic. IF it does not, and time is run out already probably, we will have to start again from the Championship. Not a shame. I enjoyed watching us win for a change last year. Not Sry if that sounds “ unambitious” but if anything I am more ambitious that the RM out crew as I do not want the endless mediocrity we experience as Saints fans to be our forever destiny. I’d rather we go down playing and believing in a cause than whimper and grovel around the bottom of the league a Few years - and then go down when it’s our turn anyway. 
 

Now let’s get this straight. We have not been unlucky so far. We have got what we deserved.

In the football sphere of life repeatedly banging your head against the wall does not knock it down. At best all it will do is give you a headache.

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12 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:


This has absolutely cracked me up 😂


Strengths: None

Disappointing they can’t see our Strengths:

Full beard manager

Skinny jeans on one the Directors who probably vapes like a cunt 

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1 hour ago, Mr X said:

They are Deluded about no 3 the majority want him gone 

Maybe, but I think his point is it’s not being vocalised as it has been in the past. I believe this is for a few reasons, he is not disliked on a personal level, we collectively feel a bit defeated, there is a whole new generation of football supporters who really aren’t that passionate about their clubs who are diluting the support base, nothing will improve while Rasmus pulling the strings, we are as good as down, we haven’t bought well and so on.
 

Having said all of that I don’t think it will take too many more defeats, and there are some potentially big ones coming, before the atmosphere turns.

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3 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

Maybe, but I think his point is it’s not being vocalised as it has been in the past. I believe this is for a few reasons, he is not disliked on a personal level, we collectively feel a bit defeated, there is a whole new generation of football supporters who really aren’t that passionate about their clubs who are diluting the support base, nothing will improve while Rasmus pulling the strings, we are as good as down, we haven’t bought well and so on.
 

Having said all of that I don’t think it will take too many more defeats, and there are some potentially big ones coming, before the atmosphere turns.

Russball knows the first thing you have to do is silence the crowd.

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4 hours ago, gio1saints said:

 

Unlike many I also see merit in most of our performances to date. Points not there yet, but, to me, clear signs in game performance that it CAN work.

 

Fancy enlightening me to what these clear signs are? 

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1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Now here’s a thought. What would happen in a game where both teams played Russball?

The two managers would lovingly embrace at full time after the inevitable 0-0 and pour glutinous sickening praise on one another, making reference to how much they had 'learnt' (like avoiding every possible opportunity to attack), whilst not noticing that the biggest mass suicide in world history had taken place in the crowd.

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1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

Maybe, but I think his point is it’s not being vocalised as it has been in the past. I believe this is for a few reasons, he is not disliked on a personal level, we collectively feel a bit defeated, there is a whole new generation of football supporters who really aren’t that passionate about their clubs who are diluting the support base, nothing will improve while Rasmus pulling the strings, we are as good as down, we haven’t bought well and so on.
 

Having said all of that I don’t think it will take too many more defeats, and there are some potentially big ones coming, before the atmosphere turns.

I get what you're saying although I think apathy will surely set in around Xmas when everyone's wallets feel the pinch. A 3rd round FA Cup match against Palace or Liverpool will not get most supporters out of the house. To me, it's mad that it would take even that long but I guess others have more patience.

Also, the players will raise their performances enough during this upcoming tough run of games to give signs of improvement and glimmers of hope, while delivering fuck-all in terms of actual points towards survival. It's standard relegation team fare. They need to think about their summer moves, after all.

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27 minutes ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

Also, the players will raise their performances enough during this upcoming tough run of games to give signs of improvement and glimmers of hope, while delivering fuck-all in terms of actual points towards survival. It's standard relegation team fare. They need to think about their summer moves, after all.

Yes, even Sulemana had a good game once. Against Liverpool. Coincidence …?

 

 

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3 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I love mediocrity. It kept us in the Premier League for a long time. Out of interest, how did you feel about the 90's when we were whimpering and grovelling around the bottom every year? You must have fuckin hated supporting us back then.

No, I’ve always supported Saints passionately - even the 90’s. If anything what I hate- and this is with the benefit of five decades supporting Saints hindsight, is that I was ( or perhaps more accurately AM) still conditioned to feel grateful for being slightly better than a relegated team ~ as a Saints fan ~ while the usual suspects lorded it over us year after year. 
I don’t want them going on about plucky relegation avoiders Southampton anymore. Id like us to break that ceiling and smash that fucking monopoly that the big clubs have. We don’t have enough money to do it though. And FFP means we probably never will. So we will never have the best players- or not for more than a few transfer windows that is until we sell. 

So how are we going to do it? Appointing a top Manager like David Moyes to play effective but compliant to the status quo football is simply more of the same Ive seen for over 50 years. I want Saints to be the best club in the fucking world. AT least with RM there appears a plan. Not working though. But it’s not more of the same. Keep trying I say. Don’t give up and concede revert back to the same as rest of them. 

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To be black and white. We are 4 points away from safety, which is a miracle given how poor we’ve been. 90% of fans can see that RM is not the man to lead the team to safety. So either we persist and go down with a toxic atmosphere starting again or we consider alternative options to try and keep us up. The latter surely is the right decision (based on availability). I don’t think the stick directed at RM is always fair but at the end of the day we support the club not the manager. 

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3 hours ago, franniesTache said:

I imagine he hated le tiss because he didn't play simple sideways and backwards passes every time and instead created something out of nothing and treated football like something spontaneous and artistic instead of stats and a spreadsheet.

And no one wants to see spontaneous and creative football, that would just be anarchy!

I love Le Tiss. He was the BEST player in the league when at Saints. The BEST. And the system still fucked him and Saints over not playing for England. You  so wrong and you don’t really understand me at all if that’s what you think. 

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