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I get the theory of building something over the long term - but what’s really the plan when we have an historic, record breakingly poor season (cos that’s where we are heading) and morale and support has completely tanked and the atmosphere is completely toxic - do they expect that it would all just turn around the following season for a promotion push with Martin in charge? There surely has to be some minimum targets that martin has to meet internally to stay in the job long term. Carte Blanche permission to fail this season in a way that doesn’t satisfy, and actively alienates the entire fanbase will undercut the “project” more than changing the manager. Surely? 

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beatlesaint

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10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

A pay rise, sure, but promotion seems to have triggered an entirely new contract with an extra year on what he had before. Seems completely unnecessary.

Well the same applies for giving McCarthy a brand new shiny contract, getting Ryan Fraser back on a two year deal when he didnt even feature in every match as a starter in The Championship.......they got carried away by the day out and result at Wembley. 

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8 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Well the same applies for giving McCarthy a brand new shiny contract, getting Ryan Fraser back on a two year deal when he didnt even feature in every match as a starter in The Championship.......they got carried away by the day out and result at Wembley. 

Oh absolutely, there's no doubt in my mind that our summer recruitment was dreadful.

Any sane Saints fan, "we need to use this summer to have a clear out of some of our mediocre, Championship players."

SR, "hey, let's use this summer to really double down on mediocre, Championship players! We can collect like thirty of them and somehow have a squad which is both utterly dreadful AND really expensive to build and maintain!"

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Gloucester Saint

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12 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Oh absolutely, there's no doubt in my mind that our summer recruitment was dreadful.

Any sane Saints fan, "we need to use this summer to have a clear out of some of our mediocre, Championship players."

SR, "hey, let's use this summer to really double down on mediocre, Championship players! We can collect like thirty of them and somehow have a squad which is both utterly dreadful AND really expensive to build and maintain!"

It’s why there needs to be a restructure within SR, then a new SR DoF and a SFC DoF, then we will have a recruitment approach focused on pace, power and raw attributes like we used to, working to a first team manager playing the type of press/pass and counter attacking football SFC plays at it’s best. No more left field manager appointments like Jones or Martin either. Pick the best your budget can take. Even Gao managed that.

SFC at its worst is when it thinks it knows better than everyone else. Lowe, Les Reed, Semmens, Rasmus all guilty of it, although at least Lowe and Reed had some success beforehand. The same mistakes on contract extensions were being made well before SR by Reed and Semmens, which Ralph nipped in the bud somewhat, but with the extra investment, they are more costly and dangerous to fix.

Livramento was a good deal but there’s no way a strategy should develop around one deal. You’ve got to consider what’s needed around the team and what the first team manager wants to do. I don’t rate Russell Martin but the players bought in over this summer, only Fernandes and Downes work with the way he wants to play, horrible as it is.

 

 

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obelisk

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6 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Read my original post again, not sure what you're trying to debate with me here?

I did read it and simply responded. Debating with a contrarian such as yourself is to be avoided so I'll think twice before disturbing you in your lair again. 🤐

Btw, what sort of farmer gets to spend so much time rambling on in here all day anyway?

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33 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Oh absolutely, there's no doubt in my mind that our summer recruitment was dreadful.

Any sane Saints fan, "we need to use this summer to have a clear out of some of our mediocre, Championship players."

SR, "hey, let's use this summer to really double down on mediocre, Championship players! We can collect like thirty of them and somehow have a squad which is both utterly dreadful AND really expensive to build and maintain!"

I feel sorry for that lad we got from Peterborough.

Yes maybe we get a decent prospect to play in the Championship in a year's time but just feels to me he's throwing away a year of his career when he probably could have played 40 odd games for Norwich or Luton or something this season.

There's not much in it for us or him.

As for the Swansea one, that seems a borderline corrupt signing, difficult to not see it as a signing to help out an old friend/agent/whatever.

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‘Martin frustrated after ‘impossible’ Saints defeat’ so says the BBC……….if he doesn’t get the fact that whatever the possession stats are if we have no shots on target then it doesn’t matter a jot and it’s a shocking indictment on how he sees the game. Unbelievable that he’s still in a job this morning. We will look back again at a season that could potentially have been saved with a management change but will leave us asking ‘what if’.

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Farmer Saint

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16 minutes ago, obelisk said:

I did read it and simply responded. Debating with a contrarian such as yourself is to be avoided so I'll think twice before disturbing you in your lair again. 🤐

Btw, what sort of farmer gets to spend so much time rambling on in here all day anyway?

 

14 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He’s as much a Farmer as I’m a friggin astronaut. 

A few from yesterday's feeding as well if you want...

 

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Nordic Saint

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On 15/05/2023 at 14:42, LegalEagle said:

Now 5/2 with Skybet to be our manager on the first day of next season. Firm favorite with Selles at 7/1 and Rooney 7/1 second favorites.

The owners must love his possession stats. This guy has the feel of another Nathan Jones...........................

It's interesting to re-read how this thread began. It's not as if most fans didn't know what Martin would be like: tippy tappy possession in our own half with no end product whilst conceding lots of goals. The first few pages have it all pretty well covered, starting with the OP from LegalEagle. The promotion came as a bit of a surprise, but we finished 9 points off the automatic promotion places, which in many seasons would have seen us no higher than upper mid-table. When Jones came we seemed to be aiming to become the new Luton and when Martin came that aspiration only changed slightly, to the new Swansea. Even though they were "quirky" appointments, they were both clearly mediocre managers.

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  On 15/05/2023 at 15:08, Wade Garrett said:

Would be a shit appointment and wouldn’t sell many season tickets.

After the Jones debacle, there is no way they could sell the appointment of Martin or the Plymouth bloke to the majority of supporters IMO.

Hear, bloody hear!

A predictable disaster entirely avoidable by not starting threads on him that those idiots upstairs might interpret as him being the fans choice.

Don't add oxygen to a fire!

Brissysaint

I’d honestly rather if we barely had possession so I don’t have to see these idiots do fuck all with it

Dman

 

If we appoint Martin it’ll be a lot of sidewards passes, loads of possession, look tidy but little to no end product, we’ll get hit on the counter and draw / lose as many as we win. It’ll be a disaster. 

aintforever

I'm a little bit worried about the idea of choosing a manager based on their average percentage possession stats.

Leicester won the Prem with something like 40% possession, who gives a fuck what the possession stats are, it's only results that matter.

Fitzhugh Fella

I must admit I’m not a fan of watching defenders tip tapping the ball around their own half just for the sake of being in possession. 

 
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Russell Martin: "At the minute the balance is the guys at the back take all the risk and show all the courage.

"The guys at the front have to do more. It's our job to free them up somehow and give them more moments where they are 1-vs-1."

Is this what the players have to listen to at the training ground?

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1 minute ago, obelisk said:

Is this what the players have to listen to at the training ground?

Nonsense isn’t it. The guys at the front don’t have any space to operate in as we take 5 minutes and 50 passes to get up the pitch, let the opposition organise before shutting us out. 
 

Maybe Russ needs to think about playing to our strengths rather than our weaknesses. 

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Russell Martin: "At the minute the balance is the guys at the back take all the risk and show all the courage.

"The guys at the front have to do more. It's our job to free them up somehow and give them more moments where they are 1-vs-1."

This twat really is on a wind up isnt he? FFS 

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2 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Russell Martin: "At the minute the balance is the guys at the back take all the risk and show all the courage.

"The guys at the front have to do more. It's our job to free them up somehow and give them more moments where they are 1-vs-1."

This twat really is on a wind up isnt he? FFS 

To be fair to the man - he's not wrong. We do take all the risk at the back and don't create anything up top. If he's looking for the reason why might I suggest the purchase of some kind of mirror - the answer lies in its silvery depths.

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Nordic Saint

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On 15/05/2023 at 23:28, Dark Munster said:

I wonder how long Rasmus W. Ankersen with his f*cking spreadsheet has been tracking this nonentity?

No. Thank. You.

We'd probably be better off with Dark Munster, rather than Ankersen, choosing our next manager.

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beatlesaint

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10 minutes ago, coalman said:

To be fair to the man - he's not wrong. We do take all the risk at the back and don't create anything up top. If he's looking for the reason why might I suggest the purchase of some kind of mirror - the answer lies in its silvery depths.

Given this is the way his teams have been playing since the day he got here its an unbelievable quote but I guess when you are drowning you cling to anything ! 

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I would really like to know who was in charge of football matters during the summer because for me that was when our destiny was shaped with poor recruitment and bad decisions regarding new contracts. At the time when I mentioned Wilcox hadn't been replaced there was a view it didn't matter but I think we can all see now it did. Whether or not Martin had too big a say or someone without a football background was involved I don't know but in a very important summer we were effectively without someone who knew his football onions in charge. Was Ankerson still pulling the strings from the wings or was the unqualified Parsons involved in football decisions?

The longer Martin is kept on the deeper the hole is being dug but I'm not sure there is anyone at the club who is suitably qualified to run a football team at present.

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2 hours ago, trousers said:

I've been pedaling this 'conspiracy theory' on and off for a while now, but the longer the season goes on the more one begins to doubt one's own sanity, and starts to wonder if maybe, just maybe, there's an element of truth in it....

One thing's for sure, if someone *was* nefariously using Saints as some kind of footballing experiment, I don't think the outcome would look much different to what we're seeing at the moment, would it...?

 

I seem to remember people posting that, and it being equally relevant, when Jones was here although the focus was on the idea of 'player trading' aka moneyball.   Yes, it does make me wonder how much this is about the footy or other things.

 

Still, let's hope there's one last charge in the black box and it can find us a half-decent manager who doesn't have a 'project' or a 'philosophy' but just kind of works to players' strengths and can build a team that'll win a few games. I do think we could be much more competitive if we tried that as well as kicking the ball towards  the opposition goal e.g. passing, shooting, crossing and playing away i.e. in their half.

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30 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Russell Martin: "At the minute the balance is the guys at the back take all the risk and show all the courage.

"The guys at the front have to do more. It's our job to free them up somehow and give them more moments where they are 1-vs-1."

This twat really is on a wind up isnt he? FFS 

In other words, we can’t defend and are completely impotent up front.

Don’t wrap it up in 21st Century Xfactor phrasing about “the guys”, just admit what we can all see week after week. 

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If that's a quote the man is a deluded idiot albeit on a rock star's salary. The club seems full of con men,  can be the only conclusion. As he rightly says the guys at the back take all the risks. So stop taking the risks because as soon as they start rotating the ball opponents breathe a sigh of relief, form up and put the whole team in front of the ball making it incredibly difficult to pass through. If he wants to break the line, change the focus, pass the ball quickly forward thence to the breaking forwards maximum two or three passes into the  space behind the defenders. Use the whole width and attack out to in. Equally in defence defend in to out instead of kamikaze wing backs leaving spaces for opponents to exploit. Never mind three centre backs defend with a back four. What we are currently doing will never work at this level unless we do it with the best players in the world and that can't happen. 

We have some good players that aren't being used to their natural strengths and are currently wasted. We need a manager that throws away the dogma and looks at the players and puts them into a framework that brings the best out of them, supports colleagues and provides the team with it's best chance. At the moment they are like actors reading from a script and daren't adlib. Sad to say they are getting the results their play deserves. Everything is so slow. High tempo, hard press, physical challenge and hard running is the way to go. It is long past the time for change.

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5 minutes ago, derry said:

We have some good players that aren't being used to their natural strengths and are currently wasted. We need a manager that throws away the dogma and looks at the players and puts them into a framework that brings the best out of them, supports colleagues and provides the team with it's best chance. At the moment they are like actors reading from a script and daren't adlib. Sad to say they are getting the results their play deserves. Everything is so slow. High tempo, hard press, physical challenge and hard running is the way to go. It is long past the time for change.

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1 hour ago, obelisk said:

Course not. That's just what they try to tell us. 😊😉

Has he visited Uranus?

 

 

 

 

 

(Sorry, couldn't stop myself!)

 

FFS. I quoted the wrong post and phone won't let me delete the post content. You get the gist though.

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1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

I think you are missing the very real scenario that Lord Duckhunter is indeed an astronaut.

Has he visited Uranus yet. Etc.

 

 

 

(Not going well for me today).

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