Dark Munster Posted Saturday at 21:25 Share Posted Saturday at 21:25 16 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: Russell’s wooing of the nationals is paying dividends and probably suits Rasmus’s agenda if SR is divided. Straight out of the Jeremy Wilson/Les Reed blowing smoke up one’s posterior school. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/clyr6g4d0weo Quote The experience of Rasmus Ankersen, co-founder and chief executive of Saints owners Sport Republic, means he remains patient and strategic. His time at Brentford as co-director of football - helping to oversee the Bees' rise and Premier League promotion - has given him knowledge of how to build a sustainable model and a successful team. Jesus wept. Rasmus himself must've fed them that bullshit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted Saturday at 21:25 Share Posted Saturday at 21:25 18 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: Russell’s wooing of the nationals is paying dividends and probably suits Rasmus’s agenda if SR is divided. Straight out of the Jeremy Wilson/Les Reed blowing smoke up one’s posterior school. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/clyr6g4d0weo Can't wait for the rest of the season with Martin in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted Saturday at 21:28 Share Posted Saturday at 21:28 (edited) Even Rickie Lambert would struggle to score in this team , endlessly making runs into space only to see the ball going back over the halfway line 😬 Pelle would have been subbed off for wasting possession by shooting at every opportunity 😄 Edited Saturday at 21:30 by East Kent Saint 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted Saturday at 21:29 Share Posted Saturday at 21:29 It really is such a shame we find ourselves in this position after the scenes in the play offs and that great day at Wembley. To go up and play this badly is tough to take. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted Saturday at 21:33 Share Posted Saturday at 21:33 7 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: I do worry that SR are committed to keeping him for the "5 year project" regardless of how embarrassing this season is. It's been said before that the aim is to be in the Prem at the end of said 5 years and going up/down in the interim doesn't change that. Bloody hope not. He might change his mind when Saints end up playing to crowds of 10000 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmidlandsaint Posted Saturday at 22:09 Share Posted Saturday at 22:09 I've been told it would cost us £14m in compensation to Russell Martin and his coaching team if we sack him. Not sure how accurate that is but source is from within the club 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted Saturday at 22:12 Share Posted Saturday at 22:12 Looks like we will be effectively down by Xmas as that was last chance saloon today. No shots on target in a must win game. I still think he will be here by Xmas but I can’t see him being here next season whatever guff SR might talk about ten year plans. Once we are effectively down the morale will drop like a stone and we will be on the end of some serious hidings and it will start to get toxic quickly. I just can’t see SR not capitulating before the end of the season.. They won’t of course act when it’s still possible to do something to change the outcome ( albeit with our attack I think most managers would struggle to keep us up) but I can’t se him getting through this season as it’s going to be pretty grim. We’ve already lost 9 from 11 and can anyone see it getting better ? There absolutely nothing to indicate it will. But as we keep saying who on earth will they appoint next. I have no faith in these guys at all and you get the feeling most decent managers will give us a wide berth. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted Saturday at 22:27 Share Posted Saturday at 22:27 15 minutes ago, westmidlandsaint said: I've been told it would cost us £14m in compensation to Russell Martin and his coaching team if we sack him. Not sure how accurate that is but source is from within the club No idea if that’s anything close to the real figure but it’s always been absolute batsh*t that we gave him a new deal in summer. I’m prepared to give him more slack than many fans but it’s not as if he’d have quit and gone to Liverpool if we hadn’t given him the contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted Saturday at 22:30 Share Posted Saturday at 22:30 1 hour ago, Dark Munster said: Jesus wept. Rasmus himself must've fed them that bullshit. It certainly does read like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted Saturday at 22:34 Share Posted Saturday at 22:34 5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: No idea if that’s anything close to the real figure but it’s always been absolute batsh*t that we gave him a new deal in summer. I’m prepared to give him more slack than many fans but it’s not as if he’d have quit and gone to Liverpool if we hadn’t given him the contract. This would have been a trigger in his contract upon promotion not some desperate attempt to get him to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWLondon Saint Posted Saturday at 22:34 Share Posted Saturday at 22:34 https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37367411/rickie-lambert-praises-former-boss-mauricio-pochettino I know this is from after they'd both legged it, but who in the current squad could we say Martin has 'improved massively'? Tactically it feels like he's made everyone doubt what their instincts are telling them to do for their position. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted Saturday at 22:35 Share Posted Saturday at 22:35 24 minutes ago, westmidlandsaint said: I've been told it would cost us £14m in compensation to Russell Martin and his coaching team if we sack him. Not sure how accurate that is but source is from within the club That was a hypothetical figure circa £12m and covered all the costs of the existing contracts and replacement contracts. In my view worth every penny. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted Saturday at 22:35 Share Posted Saturday at 22:35 Just now, SWLondon Saint said: https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37367411/rickie-lambert-praises-former-boss-mauricio-pochettino I know this is from after they'd both legged it, but who in the current squad could we say Martin has 'improved massively'? Tactically it feels like he's made everyone doubt what their instincts are telling them to do for their position. bazanu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted Saturday at 22:39 Share Posted Saturday at 22:39 1 minute ago, derry said: That was a hypothetical figure circa £12m and covered all the costs of the existing contracts and replacement contracts. In my view worth every penny. basically it would cost a bazanu or a shea charles given our propensity to waste money on shit players seems relatively cheap 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted Saturday at 22:44 Share Posted Saturday at 22:44 This £12m or whatever it is is payable over the life of the contract. It's not some lottery payment. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted Saturday at 22:45 Share Posted Saturday at 22:45 5 minutes ago, Galway saint said: basically it would cost a bazanu or a shea charles given our propensity to waste money on shit players seems relatively cheap If we're planning on giving him money to spend in January then I would rather we sack him, sign no-one and try a different style of play under a new manager. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted Saturday at 22:46 Share Posted Saturday at 22:46 (edited) 1 minute ago, Saint_clark said: If we're planning on giving him money to spend in January then I would rather we sack him, sign no-one and try a different style of play under a new manager. At least it would stop whichever stupid buffoon at the club it was from allegedly signing Bamford in January, Edited Saturday at 22:46 by Gloucester Saint 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted Saturday at 22:48 Share Posted Saturday at 22:48 38 minutes ago, westmidlandsaint said: I've been told it would cost us £14m in compensation to Russell Martin and his coaching team if we sack him. Not sure how accurate that is but source is from within the club Sack him now and take it out of Rasmus’s salary. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted Saturday at 22:58 Share Posted Saturday at 22:58 7 minutes ago, Dark Munster said: Sack him now and take it out of Rasmus’s salary. Unless Dragan grows a pair and deals with the fact his organ grinder is out of his depth so far that it makes the old Southampton Central Baths feel like the Atlantic Ocean, little chance of that. In his shoes, I’d be heading to a top sports partnerships law firm and seeing how I could dissolve his and Kraft’s shares, and get some practical football industry experience on the SR board. Dragan hasn’t shown much chance that will happen though or he’s got the backbone to execute it and restructure SR. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted Saturday at 23:00 Share Posted Saturday at 23:00 24 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: This would have been a trigger in his contract upon promotion not some desperate attempt to get him to stay. So why offer him that trigger clause in his original contract? Give him a deal with a decent pay rise from what he’s on at Swansea and a £2m bonus for getting us promoted, he’s hardly going to turn it down. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted Saturday at 23:02 Share Posted Saturday at 23:02 What doesn't RM get? Apparently he is frustrated that we "completely dominated the ball" but didn't win. Will he ever realise that it's goals that win matches. I'll tell you who is frustrated. I'm frustrated and I bet there's thousands of other Saints fans that are also frustrated that he's still serving up this style of football week in week out. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted Saturday at 23:06 Share Posted Saturday at 23:06 2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: So why offer him that trigger clause in his original contract? Give him a deal with a decent pay rise from what he’s on at Swansea and a £2m bonus for getting us promoted, he’s hardly going to turn it down. It’s not unusual in contracts but I agree that given Martin’s modest record that it was too generous and didn’t reward genuine high performance. Finishing 4th was what was expected. McKenna in 2nd, that was over and above. But look at how SR handled the Jones saga as well. There’s a huge chasm of commercial acumen and experience. A lot of us have got someone like Rasmus at work - a leader with the ‘ideas’ but no practical experience or ability to make them work in real life. Not a surprise that they can’t get basics like contracts and recognition right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted Saturday at 23:07 Share Posted Saturday at 23:07 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: So why offer him that trigger clause in his original contract? Give him a deal with a decent pay rise from what he’s on at Swansea and a £2m bonus for getting us promoted, he’s hardly going to turn it down. Yeah that’s exactly what I was saying some time back. Several posters shot me down saying that offering such a contract never happens and all Championship managers have a promotion clause that includes automatic extension on promotion. I think they are wrong and there was nothing to stop the club offering exactly what you describe. If RM insisted on a contract with a promotion extension then the club could simply tell him good luck with his job search elsewhere. It’s not like we were trying to hire Pep or Klopp. He was a championship nonentity manager who would be grateful for the job and a one time promotion bonus. In short, offering him the extension, or having it in the original contract, was yet one more of the multitude of Rasmus/SR’s balls ups. Edited Saturday at 23:09 by Dark Munster 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted Saturday at 23:12 Share Posted Saturday at 23:12 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Dark Munster said: Yeah that’s exactly what I was saying some time back. Several posters shot me down saying that offering such a contract never happens and all Championship managers have a promotion clause that includes automatic extension on promotion. I think they are wrong and there was nothing to stop the club offering exactly what you describe. If RM insisted on a contract with a promotion extension then the club could simply tell him good luck with his job search elsewhere. It’s not like we were trying to hire Pep or Klopp. He was a championship nonentity manager who would be grateful for the job and a one time promotion bonus. In short, offering him the extension, or having it in the origin contract, was yet one more of the multitude of Rasmus/SR’s balls ups. Quite. If SR appointed Slaven Bilic, or a younger Neil Warnock or Harry Redknapp with a long record from promotions, that’s what they’d expect. But Russell Martin admitted himself post-match at Wembley he was a gamble. Dragan needs to dissolve SR as currently constituted, get some other high worth investors on board and definitely a proper DoF for the umbrella. He might think he’d be stuffed without Rasmus’s data and systems but a high profile agent like Mendez would have access to similar kit whilst the scouting network was rebuilt (which has been needed at SFC since Mitchell left). Wolves did well in their promotion season with a strategic recruitment to an agent. Why not try it? Rasmus and his mate/s are killing Dragan’s investments at all three clubs. Edited Saturday at 23:26 by Gloucester Saint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted Saturday at 23:16 Share Posted Saturday at 23:16 Mass changes are needed! New Manager + coaching team New Scouting setup player acquisition has been shite for ages..... Director of football someone who actually has football experience.... A style of play where we stop this recycling the ball back nonsense, actually play with wingers, take risks and put the box into the box one in a while.... Not much to ask! Our style of play currently is like watching paint dry it's comical it really is. We are also on route to break records not in a good way either....... Shambles from top to bottom Dragan time to stop being a melt and put foot down ! Enough is enough 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted Sunday at 00:53 Share Posted Sunday at 00:53 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: So why offer him that trigger clause in his original contract? Give him a deal with a decent pay rise from what he’s on at Swansea and a £2m bonus for getting us promoted, he’s hardly going to turn it down. The same reason players get wage rises upon promotion…because paying a championship manager a PL wage in the championship just so you don’t have to offer him new terms if he gets promoted is daft and it’s an incentive to do well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted Sunday at 01:26 Share Posted Sunday at 01:26 3 hours ago, Harry_SFC said: It really is such a shame we find ourselves in this position after the scenes in the play offs and that great day at Wembley. To go up and play this badly is tough to take. Some of us said it would be like this with Martin in charge still. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted Sunday at 06:04 Share Posted Sunday at 06:04 Not seen any news/rumours of an imminent sacking. Guess we're stuck with him. Hope I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted Sunday at 07:59 Share Posted Sunday at 07:59 8 hours ago, ally_uk said: Mass changes are needed! New Manager + coaching team New Scouting setup player acquisition has been shite for ages..... Director of football someone who actually has football experience.... A style of play where we stop this recycling the ball back nonsense, actually play with wingers, take risks and put the box into the box one in a while.... Not much to ask! Our style of play currently is like watching paint dry it's comical it really is. We are also on route to break records not in a good way either....... Shambles from top to bottom Dragan time to stop being a melt and put foot down ! Enough is enough Conspiracy theory but it's like Sports republic aren't interested in the football in the first place it's like we are some kind of gifted hobby to see if rasmus can achieve stuff in a modern untraditional way that goes against everything we thought we knew! and he has been given free reign to do so hence if we are believe what Martin says he has no worries about his position as he has no minimum targets in this league, basically they aren't in this club for the right reasons. There's rumors that dragan isn't happy with the performances but that never seems to translate into Martin/rasmus/both being fired there has to be a reason for that beyond "we want stability for the club" and Martin's contract payoff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted Sunday at 08:13 Share Posted Sunday at 08:13 Anybody buying into Martin's vision of football (fans, players or SR) must surely be having buyer's remorse by now. The bloke's obviously good at the sales patter but the players surely can't be enjoying getting turned over every week. Let's face it, the Everton game papered over the cracks of what could easily have been another defeat and yesterday normal service was resumed. This con-artist thinks he can re-invent football but his one-dimensional, plodding, backwards/sideways nonsense is easily countered by opponents. If SR really think that this geezer can get Saints promoted next time after this season's inevitable relegation they need to think again. Even Championship managers had begun to work him out last time round and they'll be well-prepared next season. Football is essentially a simple game. If only Martin could come to grips with the idea that it's basically all about scoring more goals than your opponent. Time to ditch him but I bet they don't. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted Sunday at 08:16 Share Posted Sunday at 08:16 9 hours ago, Lighthouse said: So why offer him that trigger clause in his original contract? Give him a deal with a decent pay rise from what he’s on at Swansea and a £2m bonus for getting us promoted, he’s hardly going to turn it down. TBF I would assume it is a clever clause to get out in by the agent, with the assumption that if he got us promoted then everyone would be happy and a new contract at a PL level for the Manager is reasonable. 10 hours ago, westmidlandsaint said: I've been told it would cost us £14m in compensation to Russell Martin and his coaching team if we sack him. Not sure how accurate that is but source is from within the club It's a fair whack, but it's not £14m. Either way we are likely in Financial trouble anyway - the assumed sales/loans of Sulemana and Tall Paul and the need to get rid of them after signing Ramsdale has probably screwed us - the added wrinkle that no-one particularly wants to manage us doesn't help either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted Sunday at 08:19 Share Posted Sunday at 08:19 Christ Martin said after the game that we've missed Ryan Fraser. Just as I thought this bloke couldn't get even more ridiculous. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted Sunday at 08:26 Share Posted Sunday at 08:26 9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: It's a fair whack, but it's not £14m. Either way we are likely in Financial trouble anyway Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted Sunday at 08:46 Share Posted Sunday at 08:46 The disallowed goal was wrong, but it’s shouldn’t distract us from the abject failure of Russball. Gary O’Neil absolutely schooled him yesterday. He didn’t give a flying farque regarding how much possession we’d have, he had a game plan to render us impotent, which was executed to perfection for the whole of the second half and a portion of the first. That was an awful, toothless , gutless exhibition of football by Saints! Regarding the second goal, why was Ramsdale the only one to passionately protest, they should have all kicked off, VAR may have felt compelled to look at it. We are pussies lead by a pussy, who’s more interested in licking and grooming himself than anything or anyone else. On a similar note, big shout to Gary O’Neil and Wolves for absolute shithousery, if that what it takes to give yourself the best chance of survival I’m 100% behind it. posted this on the match thread also 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted Sunday at 08:51 Share Posted Sunday at 08:51 2 hours ago, Suhari said: Not seen any news/rumours of an imminent sacking. Guess we're stuck with him. Hope I'm wrong. Maybe they feel we're likely to lose most of the next few games anyway so will stick it out until after then. Hopefully we get a result against Liverpool but if we do lose, it needs to be a thrashing. A narrow 1-0 loss will be acceptable in the eyes of the board. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted Sunday at 08:57 Share Posted Sunday at 08:57 53 minutes ago, Mr X said: Conspiracy theory but it's like Sports republic aren't interested in the football in the first place it's like we are some kind of gifted hobby to see if rasmus can achieve stuff in a modern untraditional way that goes against everything we thought we knew! and he has been given free reign to do so hence if we are believe what Martin says he has no worries about his position as he has no minimum targets in this league, basically they aren't in this club for the right reasons. There's rumors that dragan isn't happy with the performances but that never seems to translate into Martin/rasmus/both being fired there has to be a reason for that beyond "we want stability for the club" and Martin's contract payoff It's getting so bizarre that it makes you wonder what their game is. Most likely though it's just pure ego and incompetence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted Sunday at 09:11 Share Posted Sunday at 09:11 18 minutes ago, Toussaint said: The disallowed goal was wrong, but it’s shouldn’t distract us from the abject failure of Russball. Gary O’Neil absolutely schooled him yesterday. He didn’t give a flying farque regarding how much possession we’d have, he had a game plan to render us impotent, which was executed to perfection for the whole of the second half and a portion of the first. That was an awful, toothless , gutless exhibition of football by Saints! Regarding the second goal, why was Ramsdale the only one to passionately protest, they should have all kicked off, VAR may have felt compelled to look at it. We are pussies lead by a pussy, who’s more interested in licking and grooming himself than anything or anyone else. On a similar note, big shout to Gary O’Neil and Wolves for absolute shithousery, if that what it takes to give yourself the best chance of survival I’m 100% behind it. posted this on the match thread also He didn't school him - they scored off a mistake in the first minute after we lost one of our most important players in the buildup and then changed personnel and formation. We then played our normal game of keepball, had a goal wrongly disallowed and they had a 30 yarder to close the game out with a foul in the buildup. Managers don't plan for those type of goals. Wolves were utterly abject yesterday, as were we, but let's not dress this up as anything other than two utterly shit teams, with shit Managers, playing a game 1 division too high for both of them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted Sunday at 09:19 Share Posted Sunday at 09:19 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Toussaint said: Regarding the second goal, why was Ramsdale the only one to passionately protest, they should have all kicked off, VAR may have felt compelled to look at it. We are pussies lead by a pussy, Yep, that really narks me too. Although, to be fair to Martin, we've been "too nice" for many years now, perhaps even decades. I thought with Diaz's 'shithousery' versus Newcastle in the opening game we were seeing the dawn of a nastier Saints team that had wised up to the "if you can't beat them, join them" nature of modern football, but no, we're still the (only?) team that meekly accepts most crap refereeing decisions etc.... Edited Sunday at 09:22 by trousers 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted Sunday at 09:20 Share Posted Sunday at 09:20 8 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Wolves were utterly abject yesterday, But they won against an even more abject, powder-puff team. Second half there was only one team likely to score and it wasn't Saints. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted Sunday at 09:24 Share Posted Sunday at 09:24 2 minutes ago, obelisk said: But they won against an even more abject, powder-puff team. Second half there was only one team likely to score and it wasn't Saints. So what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Sunday at 09:24 Share Posted Sunday at 09:24 11 hours ago, westmidlandsaint said: I've been told it would cost us £14m in compensation to Russell Martin and his coaching team if we sack him. Not sure how accurate that is but source is from within the club Money well spent when compared with what SR have spunked away in the transfer market. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted Sunday at 09:26 Share Posted Sunday at 09:26 1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said: So what? Saints lost. Again. Badly. Maybe you didn't notice. Or care. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted Sunday at 09:27 Share Posted Sunday at 09:27 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr X said: Conspiracy theory but it's like Sports republic aren't interested in the football in the first place it's like we are some kind of gifted hobby to see if rasmus can achieve stuff in a modern untraditional way that goes against everything we thought we knew! I've been pedaling this 'conspiracy theory' on and off for a while now, but the longer the season goes on the more one begins to doubt one's own sanity, and starts to wonder if maybe, just maybe, there's an element of truth in it.... One thing's for sure, if someone *was* nefariously using Saints as some kind of footballing experiment, I don't think the outcome would look much different to what we're seeing at the moment, would it...? Edited Sunday at 09:30 by trousers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Sunday at 09:29 Share Posted Sunday at 09:29 10 hours ago, CB Fry said: This £12m or whatever it is is payable over the life of the contract. It's not some lottery payment. Let's face it, we're basically paying this bloke and his so called coaches to ruin our football club. We'd get far more value paying all of them to sit at home and twiddle their thumbs 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted Sunday at 09:31 Share Posted Sunday at 09:31 (edited) 2 minutes ago, saintant said: Let's face it, we're basically paying this bloke and his so called coaches to ruin our football club. We'd get far more value paying all of them to sit at home and twiddle their thumbs Nail on the head Edited Sunday at 09:32 by Mr X 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted Sunday at 09:33 Share Posted Sunday at 09:33 8 hours ago, Fabrice29 said: The same reason players get wage rises upon promotion…because paying a championship manager a PL wage in the championship just so you don’t have to offer him new terms if he gets promoted is daft and it’s an incentive to do well. A pay rise, sure, but promotion seems to have triggered an entirely new contract with an extra year on what he had before. Seems completely unnecessary. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted Sunday at 09:33 Share Posted Sunday at 09:33 14 minutes ago, trousers said: Yep, that really narks me too. Although, to be fair to Martin, we've been "too nice" for many years now, perhaps even decades. I thought with Diaz's 'shithousery' versus Newcastle in the opening game we were seeing the dawn of a nastier Saints team that had wised up to the "if you can't beat them, join them" nature of modern football, but no, we're still the (only?) team that meekly accepts most crap refereeing decisions etc.... But we seem to be building up quite a catalogue of yellow cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted Sunday at 09:35 Share Posted Sunday at 09:35 10 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said: It’s not unusual in contracts but I agree that given Martin’s modest record that it was too generous and didn’t reward genuine high performance. Finishing 4th was what was expected. McKenna in 2nd, that was over and above. But look at how SR handled the Jones saga as well. There’s a huge chasm of commercial acumen and experience. A lot of us have got someone like Rasmus at work - a leader with the ‘ideas’ but no practical experience or ability to make them work in real life. Not a surprise that they can’t get basics like contracts and recognition right. Rasmus is a snake oil salesman. I'm sure many of us have met his like at training courses which cost companies huge amounts and achieve absolutely nothing of value. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted Sunday at 09:37 Share Posted Sunday at 09:37 2 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: But we seem to be building up quite a catalogue of yellow cards Lots of them are from pull backs when the opposition steal the ball from us and counter 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted Sunday at 09:38 Share Posted Sunday at 09:38 (edited) 6 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: But we seem to be building up quite a catalogue of yellow cards Isn't that more due to the result of us having to resort to fouls when our possession based obsession breaks down rather than anything to do with having a tough/hard/confrontational attitude...? Would be interesting to see a breakdown of the reasons for said yellow cards.... Not too many for dissent I would venture... (?) Edited Sunday at 09:39 by trousers 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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