Toussaint Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 13 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Yep, he should go, but don't be too excited about who will replace him. Is it you Farmer? I’d give you a go! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 2 minutes ago, CB Fry said: So you're saying Ruben Selles, Nathan Jones and Russell Martin were big money huge investment appointments that showed towering ambition? Is that what you're saying? I'm saying they were not cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Just now, Bad Wolf said: They haven't been cheap at all though. Which was the point. How much did they cost to acquire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Just now, Bad Wolf said: I'm saying they were not cheap. But that doesn't let anyone off. The fact they weren't cheap and we had to pay for them, and then pay them off, should be ringing even bigger alarm bells in terms of who we have running this place. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Just now, Bad Wolf said: I'm saying they were not cheap. They were cheap, every club pays wages and compensation and release fees mate. Just tell me which of Selles, Martin and Nathan Jones are the closest to being the "Pep Guardiola" figure that you are saying we have had and rejected as a fanbase? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said: How much did they cost to acquire? Jones had just signed a 5 year contract, Russell was also in a contract. It also cost silly money to get rid of Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Just now, Bad Wolf said: Jones had just signed a 5 year contract, Russell was also in a contract. It also cost silly money to get rid of Jones. How much then? I know the club had legal action filed against them for Martin...no idea how much Jones cost.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: All of our choices under SR have been horrific, no getting around that. They may have spent a fair bit of $$ on them, but that's on SR and their absolutley clueless approach rather than the calibre of who they were working with. Well except their latest choice who got the club promoted as per his objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Just now, AlexLaw76 said: How much then? I know the club had legal action filed against them for Martin...no idea how much Jones cost.. Do you think Swansea would let us off if we gave him back? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: All of our choices under SR have been horrific, no getting around that. They may have spent a fair bit of $$ on them, but that's on SR and their absolutley clueless approach rather than the calibre of who they were working with. Exactly. They got Martin right last season as we did get promoted but this next managerial appointment has to be right. Don't go too clever, either get someone like Moyes or someone from Europe. If it's someone like Mark Robins I will give up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Just now, AlexLaw76 said: How much then? I know the club had legal action filed against them for Martin...no idea how much Jones cost.. Bad Wolf's point as I understand it is that Nathan Jones was a Pep-like appointment that the Saints fans should have been dancing in the streets with joy at the ambition of it all. Or something. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said: How much then? I know the club had legal action filed against them for Martin...no idea how much Jones cost.. I have no idea. But there were managers unemployed at the time. Ironically the Sean Dyche that most people wanted would have been the actual cheap option. SR have invested a ridiculous amount of money into the club since they came in. They may be incompetent but they're NOT stingey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said: Well except their latest choice who got the club promoted as per his objective. Just about, it wasn't convincing by any means - didn't convice me or many others. For doing that he absolutley deserved a crack, but he's been given that crack and is showing us all what we pretty much felt would happen. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 1 minute ago, CB Fry said: Bad Wolf's point as I understand it is that Nathan Jones was a Pep-like appointment that the Saints fans should have been dancing in the streets with joy at the ambition of it all. Or something. Not at all. But fans didn't exactly welcome him with open arms did they? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Just now, Bad Wolf said: I have no idea. But there were managers unemployed at the time. Ironically the Sean Dyche that most people wanted would have been the actual cheap option. SR have invested a ridiculous amount of money into the club since they came in. They may be incompetent but they're NOT stingey. Bringing in Russell Martin and Nathan Jones is about small-time to normal as you can get... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Just now, S-Clarke said: Just about, it wasn't convincing by any means - didn't convice me or many others. For doing that he absolutley deserved a crack, but he's been given that crack and is showing us all what we pretty much felt would happen. As I've asked before on here, how come Leeds' manager didn't even "Just about" get promoted. He failed. And is still being backed? They also had a squad that was on par with ours if not a little bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forkbeard Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 1 minute ago, Toussaint said: Do you think Swansea would let us off if we gave him back? We don't want him thanks. Well, we do have a few weirdos would have him back in a heartbeat, but I guess you've got some of those too. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Just now, AlexLaw76 said: Bringing in Russell Martin and Nathan Jones is about small-time to normal as you can get... And yet Russell Martin got us promoted? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Just now, Bad Wolf said: And yet Russell Martin got us promoted? Great. so what? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 It really comes to something when you’re a poor man’s MLG. What a tedious prat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Just now, Bad Wolf said: And yet Russell Martin got us promoted? Any vaguely competent manager would have achieved automatic promotion with last season’s squad 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 "We dominated the ball, we limited them to 8 shots on target" I hope I never find myself within arms reach of this prick. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlehouseBrawlers Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 The club log-ins are gonna be busy over the next 2 or 3 days. Time's up, beg Moyes to come in and attempt to rescue this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 4 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: Well except their latest choice who just about got the club promoted via the lottery of the playoffs despite his objective being automatic promotion Fixed it for you 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 2 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Not at all. But fans didn't exactly welcome him with open arms did they? Because he was a shit appointment. Who is the "even if it was Pep" thing based on? Who is the ambitious appointment of a decent manager with a decent reputation that has been rejected immediately like you are claiming would happen? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Just now, TheAlehouseBrawlers said: The club log-ins are gonna be busy over the next 2 or 3 days. Time's up, beg Moyes to come in and attempt to rescue this. I think they only popped there heads up after a fortunate win, I think they’ll disappear down their meerkat holes again for a good while 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 (edited) I have never been a fan of sacking Managers as the consequences of replacing Ralph, Jones and Selles hasnt gone too well. We all were reasonably buoyant after the Wembley win but sensible enough to realise that without a top goalkeeper (tick) an upgrade in midfield (Fernandes, semi tick) a top rated striker (failed miserably) and a change in tactics (no chance), life in the Prem would be a real challenge. All that said, even a card carrying pessimist as myself, who has been through regular episodes of relegation threats, didnt expect things to be as bad as they are now. When I think back Swansea fans did warn us of Russell Martins shortcomings. All we can hope for now is that the club can prepare us well for life back in the Championship by appointing a Manager who can actually move the ball forward rather than sideways and backwards, endeavour to keep those players who can be useful in the lower division, maximise transfer revenue from players who are of interest to Prem teams and improve scouting which really needs to identify and find a proper goalscoring striker who is not permanently injured. Edited November 9 by spyinthesky 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Just now, CB Fry said: Because he was a shit appointment. Who is the "even if it was Pep" thing based on? Who is the ambitious appointment of a decent manager with a decent reputation that has been rejected immediately like you are claiming would happen? Fans should get behind a manager no matter what when he's appointed. I'm sure Lawrie was seen as a shit appointment too. We could appoint someone from a midtable club in the conference and I'd still get behind him. There's no sense in not doing so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mboto Gorge Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 14 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Is that not what our fans say about every manager? The last few anyway and even if they did lack ambition, they certainly wern't cheap. You’re obsessed with constantly digging at our fanbase as if you’re some high and mighty superior intellect that “gets football” over and above the tiny brains of other poor deluded souls who support this club . Literally all you do is respond to posts and turn them into cheap shots at the fan base. Maybe you could wish cancer on someone again like you did last season, if we are talking about being a “Mature” person. That says it all about the person you really are. One of the biggest morons I’ve ever encountered on social media within any platform. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Just now, Bad Wolf said: Fans should get behind a manager no matter what when he's appointed. I'm sure Lawrie was seen as a shit appointment too. We could appoint someone from a midtable club in the conference and I'd still get behind him. There's no sense in not doing so. That's got fuck all to do with your "even if it was Pep" bollocks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 1 minute ago, Bad Wolf said: Fans should get behind a manager no matter what when he's appointed. I'm sure Lawrie was seen as a shit appointment too. We could appoint someone from a midtable club in the conference and I'd still get behind him. There's no sense in not doing so. Great. What does the Guardiola point relate to? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 3 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Fans should get behind a manager no matter what when he's appointed. I'm sure Lawrie was seen as a shit appointment too. We could appoint someone from a midtable club in the conference and I'd still get behind him. There's no sense in not doing so. We all got behind him. How did that go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 8 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: I have no idea. But there were managers unemployed at the time. Ironically the Sean Dyche that most people wanted would have been the actual cheap option. SR have invested a ridiculous amount of money into the club since they came in. They may be incompetent but they're NOT stingey. Isn't nearly all the money coming from Dragan's pocket? Or is that not the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 2 minutes ago, Toussaint said: Any vaguely competent manager would have achieved automatic promotion with last season’s squad Total myth again. KWP, THB, Downes and AA are the only ones who'd have got in every other Championship squad. Aribo, Bednarek, Bree and Adams would have maybe got into tams outside the playoff positions. Despite popular belief we had a good Championship squad. Nothing more. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 3 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said: You’re obsessed with constantly digging at our fanbase as if you’re some high and mighty superior intellect that “gets football” over and above the tiny brains of other poor deluded souls who support this club . Literally all you do is respond to posts and turn them into cheap shots at the fan base. Maybe you could wish cancer on someone again like you did last season, if we are talking about being a “Mature” person. That says it all about the person you really are. One of the biggest morons I’ve ever encountered on social media within any platform. Okay thanks for bringing up something I said during a manic episode having unexpectedly lost a cherished family member. Very big of you. Again, typical modern keyboard warrior. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 1 minute ago, Bad Wolf said: Total myth again. KWP, THB, Downes and AA are the only ones who'd have got in every other Championship squad. Aribo, Bednarek, Bree and Adams would have maybe got into tams outside the playoff positions. Despite popular belief we had a good Championship squad. Nothing more. Silly me, I should have checked with you what my opinion is before I rashly posted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 2 minutes ago, saintant said: Isn't nearly all the money coming from Dragan's pocket? Or is that not the case? I assume so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 6 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: I have never been a fan of sacking Managers as the consequences of replacing Ralph, Jones and Selles hasnt gone too well. We all were reasonably buoyant after the Wembley win but sensible enough to realise that without a top goalkeeper (tick) an upgrade in midfield (Fernandes, semi tick) a top rated striker (failed miserably) and a change in tactics (no chance), life in the Prem would be a real challenge. All that said, even a card carrying pessimist as myself, who has been through regular episodes of relegation threats, didnt expect things to be as bad as they are now. When I think back Swansea fans did warn us of Russell Martins shortcomings. All we can hope for now is that the club can prepare us well for life back in the Championship by appointing a Manager who can actually move the ball forward rather than sideways and backwards, endeavour to keep those players who can be useful in the lower division, maximise transfer revenue from players who are of interest to Prem teams and improve scouting which really needs to identify find a proper goalscoring striker who is not permanently injured. Unfortunately we are run by SR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football Special Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 15 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said: Exactly. They got Martin right last season as we did get promoted but this next managerial appointment has to be right. Don't go too clever, either get someone like Moyes or someone from Europe. If it's someone like Mark Robins I will give up. I'd take Mark Robins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 Just now, Football Special said: I'd take Mark Robins Moyes or no one IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mboto Gorge Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 6 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Okay thanks for bringing up something I said during a manic episode having unexpectedly lost a cherished family member. Very big of you. Again, typical modern keyboard warrior. Not really pal, just pointing out that you’re happy to give it the “holier than thou” bravado on here, yet anyone no matter how upset they are, doesn’t wish cancer on another person. Nice attempt at victim playing to justify wishing death on someone else though. Keyboard warrior? I’ll happily say it to your face mate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 17 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Not at all. But fans didn't exactly welcome him with open arms did they? Why would we have welcomed Jones with open arms? We were a Premier League club going for a cheap option yet again. There were a 101 managers floating around Europe who would have taken out job, yet we went for a manager from Luton fuckin town. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 5 minutes ago, Football Special said: I'd take Mark Robins A EFL pod mentioned that Robins was much more of a manager than a coach. That he worked well with his assistant, who was as key to the success. That assistant left during the summer, along with some other backroom staff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 3 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said: Not really pal, just pointing out that you’re happy to give it the “holier than thou” bravado on here, yet anyone no matter how upset they are, doesn’t wish cancer on another person. Nice attempt at victim playing to justify wishing death on someone else though. Keyboard warrior? I’ll happily say it to your face mate. As will I. Not trying to play the victim at all. I'm sorry for what I said. Genuinely I was disgusted with myself within 5 minutes. The situation wasn't an excuse but it certainly didn't help. Apologising doesn't make it okay I know but I can't take it back. I wish I could but I can't. So please consider this an apology to yourself. Whether you accept it or not is your choice but I'm sorry. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 6 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Why would we have welcomed Jones with open arms? We were a Premier League club going for a cheap option yet again. There were a 101 managers floating around Europe who would have taken out job, yet we went for a manager from Luton fuckin town. Why would any clubs fans NOT welcome any manager appointed?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldandtired Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 25 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: And yet Russell Martin got us promoted? No- once again many believe we got promoted despite Martin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 2 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: As will I. Not trying to play the victim at all. I'm sorry for what I said. Genuinely I was disgusted with myself within 5 minutes. The situation wasn't an excuse but it certainly didn't help. Apologising doesn't make it okay I know but I can't take it back. I wish I could but I can't. So please consider this an apology to yourself. Whether you accept it or not is your choice but I'm sorry. Having read your posts I think you need to go pour yourself a large one log off here for a few days and chill a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 1 minute ago, Oldandtired said: No- once again many believe we got promoted despite Martin You can use that kind of argument to undermine any sporting achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 41 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Is that not what our fans say about every manager? The last few anyway and even if they did lack ambition, they certainly wern't cheap. Last few have been shite. Jones, Selles and the idiot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 2 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Why would any clubs fans NOT welcome any manager appointed?? You think Liverpool fans would have been satisfied if they had appointmented a manager from the Championship to replace Klopp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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