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4 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

This is funny because Russell Martin has delivered on the objective he was tasked with in his first season, bought together a broken dressing room and completely changed the style of play of a squad whilst doing it so it feels likes got quite a lot to show any prospective future employers. Suspect  he probably manages in Europe for example before we get there as a club tbh. 

Good god 😂😂😂😂
 

Neither Saints, nor Russell fucking Martin, will be in Europe anytime soon. 

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saintant

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2 hours ago, Toussaint said:

I think you are spot on. Russ fits really well with Rasmus's ideology. Its about their brand, that's really all that concerns them, classic narcissists. Narcissists do not care at all about collateral damage, all that is important is serving their own needs. They use others, even whole football clubs, to feed their ego. I would not be at all surprised if  Russel  gets a much bigger gig when he eventually leaves.

He won't get a much bigger gig. His stock is declining week by week and will continue to do so. He's just showing himself to be well out of his depth at this level.

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CB Fry

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14 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Good god 😂😂😂😂
 

Neither Saints, nor Russell fucking Martin, will be in Europe anytime soon. 

Anyone would think that no manager has got promoted from the Championship before.

Is Chris Wilder going to be Europe any time soon? Aidy Boothroyd? Steve Cooper? Rob Edwards?

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1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

Anyone would think that no manager has got promoted from the Championship before.

Is Chris Wilder going to be Europe any time soon? Aidy Boothroyd? Steve Cooper? Rob Edwards?

More chance of Gene Wilder than Russell Martin!

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1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

Anyone would think that no manager has got promoted from the Championship before.

Is Chris Wilder going to be Europe any time soon? Aidy Boothroyd? Steve Cooper? Rob Edwards?

Every one of those touted as the next best thing by the same people I heard say the same about Martin and Jones.

 

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5 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Anyone would think that no manager has got promoted from the Championship before.

Is Chris Wilder going to be Europe any time soon? Aidy Boothroyd? Steve Cooper? Rob Edwards?

No matter how bad a manager they might be, three clubs are going to be promoted.

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Saint in Paradise

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Anyone else think that the Peter principle applies here?

 

The Peter principle is a concept in management developed by Laurence J. Peter which observes that people

in a hierarchy tend to rise to "a level of respective incompetence": employees are promoted based on their

success in previous jobs until they reach a level at which they are no longer competent, as skills in one job do

not necessarily translate to another.[

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On 31/10/2024 at 12:33, sfc4prem said:

I'm going back to my original position at the start of the season. Chopping and changing managers has seen us deteriorate (alongside many other factors, particularly piss-poor player recruitment).

 

I therefore reiterate the idea that Russ should stay even when we get relegated. Let's build something long lasting. Russ is young and has shown signs of adapting and learning - not radically, admittedly - and therefore could easily take us back up next season.

Basically, let's endure the shite served up this season and hope next summer's recruitment is sensibly ambitious.

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35 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Just when you think Martin can't get any more delusional or aggressive to criticism  https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24694660.russell-martin-confident-southampton-can-change-things-dramatically/#comments-anchor

Delusional, arrogant, clueless …

Feel free to add anything I missed

Actually I will add cunt and stupid after just reading the match thread

If he actually thinks the players are enjoying getting beaten every week he clearly has no idea about professional footballers

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39 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Just when you think Martin can't get any more delusional or aggressive to criticism  https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/24694660.russell-martin-confident-southampton-can-change-things-dramatically/#comments-anchor

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"When I speak to Henrik, Dragan, Rasmus, Phil, Mark and the gang here, everyone's been so supportive.

"I think they understand how close we are, how close we have been. I think there's a level of respect between us all that we can be really honest."

 

Jesus wept. We're really f**ked aren't we?

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8 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Delusional, arrogant, clueless …

Feel free to add anything I missed

Actually I will add cunt and stupid after just reading the match thread

If he actually thinks the players are enjoying getting beaten every week he clearly has no idea about professional footballers

Can we shoehorn vape, or vaping into that somewhere?

(Not that either are justified but thought 'shoehorn' and 'vaping' are good in vogue words* to throw into a post about a current or possibly future manager)

*by mongboard rather than OED standards that is.

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Golac's Cunning Stunts

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6 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

"When I speak to Henrik, Dragan, Rasmus, Phil, Mark and the gang here, everyone's been so supportive.

"I think they understand how close we are, how close we have been. I think there's a level of respect between us all that we can be really honest."

He must mean how close we are to achieving the record lowest point score in the PL

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Dark Munster

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17 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Let’s be honest, Russ is hardly going to say to the media “it’s all shit, everything is shit” is he?

What do people expect to hear?

No, but certainly not “it’s all wonderful, everything is wonderful” either.

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He has that optimism of someone who knows he has built the steps towards a successful outcome that is now tantalisingly close. He can see it, the players have worked towards it and the board are comfortable with the progress. Such a good time to see the journey unfold.

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On 31/10/2024 at 16:47, LGTL said:

Good god 😂😂😂😂
 

Neither Saints, nor Russell fucking Martin, will be in Europe anytime soon. 

 Not unless the EFL has a second go at reviving the Anglo-Italian Cup so we can watch Saints v Venezia in front of 8000 fans.

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Feels like he will be here for a while regardless of results. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him still here next season following our inevitable relegation.

He’s being found out this season.. His  game management is really poor and  it’s clear he’s not one of those coaches who can make the sum greater than the parts. Quite the opposite really.

In his defence however he he was given little to work with offensively this season. I don’t know what input he had on signing the likes of BBD and Cornet and even Archer to a degree but we have the worst attack in the PL and if you were the likes of Moyes you would look at that attack and think theres no chance i’m keeping them up. 

God knows what the owners think to all this but for the fans it’s been a dire season and it doesn’t feel like we will start wining games regularly again until  next season and it’s only November. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

He has that optimism of someone who knows he has built the steps towards a successful outcome that is now tantalisingly close. He can see it, the players have worked towards it and the board are comfortable with the progress. Such a good time to see the journey unfold.

I'd halve the dose if I were you.😎

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5 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Let’s be honest, Russ is hardly going to say to the media “it’s all shit, everything is shit” is he?

What do people expect to hear?

Doesn’t really matter, people will hear what they want to. This place has turned into a sad echo chamber where if you offer a different perspective you’re a “Martinette” or a member of his family, his hairdresser or Lucy. Pathetic and sad. 

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4 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

He has that optimism of someone who knows he has built the steps towards a successful outcome that is now tantalisingly close. He can see it, the players have worked towards it and the board are comfortable with the progress. Such a good time to see the journey unfold.

I can't.... Just..... What? 

We cannot defend. 

We cannot attack. 

The only reason he is still here is because sacking him is pricey. I know this for a fact. His contract extension was a contractual obligation on promotion,not an endorsement of his horrifying style. 

Are you on something!? Or just delusional. 

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1 hour ago, notnowcato said:

Doesn’t really matter, people will hear what they want to. This place has turned into a sad echo chamber where if you offer a different perspective you’re a “Martinette” or a member of his family, his hairdresser or Lucy. Pathetic and sad. 

You think things are going well then?

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On 31/10/2024 at 20:05, swannymere said:

Constantly changing manager hasn't helped up at all in the last few seasons, how about sticking with this one?

That's like saying my last few gfs cheated so I'm OK with my new one doing it now. 

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6 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Doesn’t really matter, people will hear what they want to. This place has turned into a sad echo chamber where if you offer a different perspective you’re a “Martinette” or a member of his family, his hairdresser or Lucy. Pathetic and sad. 

Outside of this "Echo Chamber" Saints have won three games and are mid table in 11th place.

 

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22 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

When have I said that? And what has that got to do with the point raised?

I think the point he is making is fans are entitled to be unhappy with 1 point on the board in ten games (probably after today)

That's 29 points lost and the season a right off making relegation incredibly likely. 

Fans aren't unreasonable and don't expect to beat top sides but we should and could be doing a lot better especially with the teams we've lost to.

It would be a bit more palatable if Russ had a plan and mixed things up looked like he could adapt his philosophy and was a bit more humble but he isn't! 

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30 minutes ago, Mr X said:

I think the point he is making is fans are entitled to be unhappy with 1 point on the board in ten games (probably after today)

That's 29 points lost and the season a right off making relegation incredibly likely. 

Fans aren't unreasonable and don't expect to beat top sides but we should and could be doing a lot better especially with the teams we've lost to.

It would be a bit more palatable if Russ had a plan and mixed things up looked like he could adapt his philosophy and was a bit more humble but he isn't! 

Every fan is entitled to their opinion. 

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59 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

When have I said that? And what has that got to do with the point raised?

Well maybe the reason the majority on here think Martin is shit and his style is shit is because they're right. There isn't an echo chamber it's just the prevailing opinion. 

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2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Well maybe the reason the majority on here think Martin is shit and his style is shit is because they're right. There isn't an echo chamber it's just the prevailing opinion. 

Maybe they are right, maybe they are not. Point is if you have a different opinion to the majority or you enjoy the football the team are trying to play and played last season that doesn’t make you wrong, or Martin’s hairdresser / mother / missus. 

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2 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Maybe they are right, maybe they are not. Point is if you have a different opinion to the majority or you enjoy the football the team are trying to play and played last season that doesn’t make you wrong, or Martin’s hairdresser / mother / missus. 

If you're enjoying the football served up so far this season, it means you should be sectioned.

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33 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

If you're enjoying the football served up so far this season, it means you should be sectioned.

Adds mental to the list , helpful as ever. 
 

The football isn’t that different to last season, clearly we’re a long way off being as successful as last season for obvious reasons. 

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I think the way we changed our basic style for the Leeds away league game won well then went through the play offs in style and gaining promotion was great. The season started with us playing as if those four games had never happened. Back to the ball rotation at the back against much better teams has made us more porous and less potent. Our ponderous playing has been well and truly found out together with our lack of defensive organisation especially at free kicks and corners. For example the goals conceded in the final seconds against Ipswich and Leicester that were due to hopeless marking and a complete lack of awareness. 

Another thing that has hurt us badly is some of the late substitutions which have made us worse rather than improving results. Martin has imposed a straitjacket on the way we play and our lack of success is really down to that. A win would be brilliant. We have players who can hurt teams but the ponderous play neuters them. We have been well and truly worked out and need to adapt but I fear more of the same will just lead to more of the same results. Higher tempo, less passing around at the back and much quicker delivery to the front. A fast team press to win the ball back instead of just falling back. That is how Premier League teams play and it's how we should play.

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2 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Maybe they are right, maybe they are not. Point is if you have a different opinion to the majority or you enjoy the football the team are trying to play and played last season that doesn’t make you wrong, or Martin’s hairdresser / mother / missus. 

 

11 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Adds mental to the list , helpful as ever. 
 

The football isn’t that different to last season, clearly we’re a long way off being as successful as last season for obvious reasons. 

I just don't see how you could enjoy it. It's slow, negative, leaky as we've ever been defensively. 

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23 minutes ago, derry said:

I think the way we changed our basic style for the Leeds away league game won well then went through the play offs in style and gaining promotion was great. The season started with us playing as if those four games had never happened. Back to the ball rotation at the back against much better teams has made us more porous and less potent. Our ponderous playing has been well and truly found out together with our lack of defensive organisation especially at free kicks and corners. For example the goals conceded in the final seconds against Ipswich and Leicester that were due to hopeless marking and a complete lack of awareness. 

Another thing that has hurt us badly is some of the late substitutions which have made us worse rather than improving results. Martin has imposed a straitjacket on the way we play and our lack of success is really down to that. A win would be brilliant. We have players who can hurt teams but the ponderous play neuters them. We have been well and truly worked out and need to adapt but I fear more of the same will just lead to more of the same results. Higher tempo, less passing around at the back and much quicker delivery to the front. A fast team press to win the ball back instead of just falling back. That is how Premier League teams play and it's how we should play.

Talking of things that never happened, the victories over West Brom, Leeds and quite a few others before those four games and the season in which we finished bottom attempting to play higher tempo, less passing around the back and quick delivery to the front. It's almost as if things are slightly more nuanced than "good manager and high tempo ffs!"

 

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1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

Talking of things that never happened, the victories over West Brom, Leeds and quite a few others before those four games and the season in which we finished bottom attempting to play higher tempo, less passing around the back and quick delivery to the front.

 

If you don't even recognise that once McCarthy was in goal we couldn't play out from the back your opinion for me is worthless. Newcastle's goal was the result of McCarthy attempting to pass. Those four games were the variation that we needed. If we had retained the passing out with McCarthy we would still be in the Championship. 

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If you don't even recognise that once McCarthy was in goal we couldn't play out from the back your opinion for me is worthless. Newcastle's goal was the result of McCarthy attempting to pass. Those four games were the variation that we needed. If we had retained the passing out with McCarthy we would still be in the Championship. 

Don't think I mentioned McCarthy did I? Happy to be corrected.

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