Russell Martin

[saintant]

36 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Man United sacked their underperforming manager and are now beating Leicester 2-0.

Might be worth a go 🙄

What a novel idea - it'll never catch on with SR though.

[bpsaint]

Just imagine we stick with Russ the entire season, end up bottom with a record low points total, and then the week after the season finishes Sports Republic decide to sack him.

Or they don’t sack him, we go down, and then another club comes in for him and he fucks off to them.

I could actually see it happening.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Saint NL said:

Man United sacked their underperforming manager and are now beating Leicester 2-0.

Might be worth a go 🙄

One of the million programmes breathlessly devoted to Man Utd's management change mentioned that they brought him in, expecting the same style of possession football as he was using at Ajax.

The pragmatic Ten Haag tried instead to get some use out of the squad he inherited, and couldn't shift on their vast wages. So, they became more counter attacking.

Which is where he's clearly gone wrong. Like Martin, he should have stuck to his guns, enforcing his style. If he somehow lasted until Wilcox got there, he would have found a like mind who would talk about "the project" rather than someone who was more pragmatic, and put of step with those above him.

Martin's style at all costs means that clubs know exactly what they're getting. There is no Plan B. He's pinned his career path on it.

 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, bpsaint said:

Just imagine we stick with Russ the entire season, end up bottom with a record low points total, and then the week after the season finishes Sports Republic decide to sack him.

Or they don’t sack him, we go down, and then another club comes in for him and he fucks off to them.

I could actually see it happening.

Anyone who thinks a bigger club than us will want his services is deluded.

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, bpsaint said:

Just imagine we stick with Russ the entire season, end up bottom with a record low points total, and then the week after the season finishes Sports Republic decide to sack him.

Or they don’t sack him, we go down, and then another club comes in for him and he fucks off to them.

I could actually see it happening.

What kind of other club in what division are you talking about?

[Weston Super Saint]

7 hours ago, CB Fry said:

What kind of other club in what division are you talking about?

Barcelona, Real Madrid, Sao Paulo, Juventus.  None of those would surprise me.  It's what he deserves.  Everyone seems so hung up on 'points' these days.

[tdmickey3]

10 hours ago, bpsaint said:

Just imagine we stick with Russ the entire season, end up bottom with a record low points total, and then the week after the season finishes Sports Republic decide to sack him.

Or they don’t sack him, we go down, and then another club comes in for him and he fucks off to them.

I could actually see it happening.

The highlighted bit makes me feel sick 

[madge]

The board get a bloody easy ride at home games.. I’ve seen a few people approach the executive box in the past and have a go but in general our home support is flaccid. The only way the club will look at changes if they feel the heat from the fan base.. as in the Nathan jones era… 

[Dellyears]

1 hour ago, madge said:

The board get a bloody easy ride at home games.. I’ve seen a few people approach the executive box in the past and have a go but in general our home support is flaccid. The only way the club will look at changes if they feel the heat from the fan base.. as in the Nathan jones era… 

And as in the Branfoot era. I seem to remember the entire crowd having white cards, papers or hankies. Probably it was in the days before red and yellow cards were a part of football. anyway, what ever the colour, the Board got the message.

[Suhari]

11 hours ago, saintant said:

Anyone who thinks a bigger club than us will want his services is deluded.

Maresca had a few detractors at Leicester last season - went to Chelsea. Kompany took Burnley down (I don't know how the fans viewed him last season) - he went to Bayern.

It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that a bigger club than us will look at RMs approach, want to play PBF, and decide he's their man. In fact, I absolutely believe that is what RM expects to happen.

I really think that unless SR get rid, he'll take us down and then fuck off.

 

And just had another thought......SR are all about player-trading. Surely they're not trying to be clever with 'manager-trading'? i.e. get some ££ for RM from a bigger club, rather than have to pay him to leave. I fucking hope not.

Edited 17 hours ago by Suhari
Added another thought....

[Whitey Grandad]

59 minutes ago, Dellyears said:

And as in the Branfoot era. I seem to remember the entire crowd having white cards, papers or hankies. Probably it was in the days before red and yellow cards were a part of football. anyway, what ever the colour, the Board got the message.

Cards started in the 1970 World Cup. Branfoot became manager in June 1991.

[Dman]

32 minutes ago, Suhari said:

Maresca had a few detractors at Leicester last season - went to Chelsea. Kompany took Burnley down (I don't know how the fans viewed him last season) - he went to Bayern.

It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that a bigger club than us will look at RMs approach, want to play PBF, and decide he's their man. In fact, I absolutely believe that is what RM expects to happen.

I really think that unless SR get rid, he'll take us down and then fuck off.

 

And just had another thought......SR are all about player-trading. Surely they're not trying to be clever with 'manager-trading'? i.e. get some ££ for RM from a bigger club, rather than have to pay him to leave. I fucking hope not.

Both won the leauge fairly comfortably and didn't scrape through the play-off's. 

Kompany got the bayern job off the back of his playing career, more than his managerial one. Same is Maresca, had he not been Pep's assistant (or that weird bald fella, that was here at one point, who's now involved at Chels) he wouldn't have made the jump. 

In short, Martin has absolutely no pedigree in the game for anyone above us to take a punt, given how poorly this season has gone. 

[SWLondon Saint]

16 minutes ago, Dman said:

Both won the leauge fairly comfortably and didn't scrape through the play-off's. 

Kompany got the bayern job off the back of his playing career, more than his managerial one. Same is Maresca, had he not been Pep's assistant (or that weird bald fella, that was here at one point, who's now involved at Chels) he wouldn't have made the jump. 

In short, Martin has absolutely no pedigree in the game for anyone above us to take a punt, given how poorly this season has gone. 

Maresca also had a much better playing career than Martin don't forget, he played in Serie A / La liga for years and won the UEFA cup with Sevilla.

[LGTL]

52 minutes ago, Suhari said:

Maresca had a few detractors at Leicester last season - went to Chelsea. Kompany took Burnley down (I don't know how the fans viewed him last season) - he went to Bayern.

It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that a bigger club than us will look at RMs approach, want to play PBF, and decide he's their man. In fact, I absolutely believe that is what RM expects to happen.

I really think that unless SR get rid, he'll take us down and then fuck off.

 

And just had another thought......SR are all about player-trading. Surely they're not trying to be clever with 'manager-trading'? i.e. get some ££ for RM from a bigger club, rather than have to pay him to leave. I fucking hope not.

Kompany was a PL winning captain whose Burnley team won the Championship comfortably. He got the Bayern job on name. 

Martin played for Norwich and scraped through the play offs, having had a pitiful defensive record at every club he’s been at. 

Unfortunately, I think we’re stuck with him unless the board grow a pair and sack the arrogant twat. 

[Fabrice29]

3 hours ago, madge said:

The board get a bloody easy ride at home games.. I’ve seen a few people approach the executive box in the past and have a go but in general our home support is flaccid. The only way the club will look at changes if they feel the heat from the fan base.. as in the Nathan jones era… 

Maybe most people who go to the games are more measured, appreciative of the circumstances and happy to see how we do up until now? Not everyone has to be as angry as you or others online. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Fabrice29

[Fabrice29]

20 hours ago, Dman said:

Nothing is guarenteed. We could bring in a big name and they flop but alternatively we could go for an unknown and they hit the ground running. 

Poch is a great example of that latter, as is Mckenna at Ipswich. 

How’s McKenna getting on this year out of interest?

[Fabrice29]

13 hours ago, saintant said:

Anyone who thinks a bigger club than us will want his services is deluded.

This is funny because Russell Martin has delivered on the objective he was tasked with in his first season, bought together a broken dressing room and completely changed the style of play of a squad whilst doing it so it feels likes got quite a lot to show any prospective future employers. Suspect  he probably manages in Europe for example before we get there as a club tbh. 

[swannymere]

Constantly changing manager hasn't helped up at all in the last few seasons, how about sticking with this one?

[Nordic Saint]

6 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

This is funny because Russell Martin has delivered on the objective he was tasked with in his first season, bought together a broken dressing room and completely changed the style of play of a squad whilst doing it so it feels likes got quite a lot to show any prospective future employers. Suspect  he probably manages in Europe for example before we get there as a club tbh. 

 

I don't know how low the standards of the Icelandic league are nowadays but, you're right, he might end up somewhere like that.

Edited 15 hours ago by Nordic Saint

[tdmickey3]

7 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

This is funny because Russell Martin has delivered on the objective he was tasked with in his first season, bought together a broken dressing room and completely changed the style of play of a squad whilst doing it so it feels likes got quite a lot to show any prospective future employers. Suspect  he probably manages in Europe for example before we get there as a club tbh. 

Most of us hope that`s very, very soon

In fact, today would not be soon enough

Edited 15 hours ago by tdmickey3

[Badger]

2 hours ago, Dellyears said:

And as in the Branfoot era. I seem to remember the entire crowd having white cards, papers or hankies. Probably it was in the days before red and yellow cards were a part of football. anyway, what ever the colour, the Board got the message.

It was red cards waved at Branfoot.

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Cards started in the 1970 World Cup. Branfoot became manager in June 1991.

I didn't know that about 1970 (then again in my defence I was quite young watching it on Black and White tv.

For an 'anorak point' today though, I'm pretty sure cards were first used in England in 1976. George Best getting a red card at The Dell in October on the first day they were in use .

 

[Wade Garrett]

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[Wade Garrett]

19 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

This is funny because Russell Martin has delivered on the objective he was tasked with in his first season, bought together a broken dressing room and completely changed the style of play of a squad whilst doing it so it feels likes got quite a lot to show any prospective future employers. Suspect  he probably manages in Europe for example before we get there as a club tbh. 

If his objective this season is to go through it without winning a game, he’s fucking smashing it.

[sfc4prem]

I'm going back to my original position at the start of the season. Chopping and changing managers has seen us deteriorate (alongside many other factors, particularly piss-poor player recruitment).

 

I therefore reiterate the idea that Russ should stay even when we get relegated. Let's build something long lasting. Russ is young and has shown signs of adapting and learning - not radically, admittedly - and therefore could easily take us back up next season.

Basically, let's endure the shite served up this season and hope next summer's recruitment is sensibly ambitious.

[saintant]

2 hours ago, Suhari said:

Maresca had a few detractors at Leicester last season - went to Chelsea. Kompany took Burnley down (I don't know how the fans viewed him last season) - he went to Bayern.

It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that a bigger club than us will look at RMs approach, want to play PBF, and decide he's their man. In fact, I absolutely believe that is what RM expects to happen.

I really think that unless SR get rid, he'll take us down and then fuck off.

 

And just had another thought......SR are all about player-trading. Surely they're not trying to be clever with 'manager-trading'? i.e. get some ££ for RM from a bigger club, rather than have to pay him to leave. I fucking hope not.

Maresca got Leicester promoted as Champions whereas RM is potentially going to preside over a relegated side with the lowest ever points total. If this happens no club bigger than us would entertain the idea of appointing him as their manager - can you imagine the uproar from their fans?

[pingpong]

Last years target was to be around the playoff places, exceeded.

This year the target is 13pts, and whilst we aren't there, it is still achievable.

He's doing OK.  

[Gloucester Saint]

51 minutes ago, Badger said:

It was red cards waved at Branfoot.

I didn't know that about 1970 (then again in my defence I was quite young watching it on Black and White tv.

For an 'anorak point' today though, I'm pretty sure cards were first used in England in 1976. George Best getting a red card at The Dell in October on the first day they were in use .

 

For dissent - ITV covered it as part of The Big Match. I remember the red cards being aimed at Branfoot during the Port Vale FA Cup game right near the end of his time with us.

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, pingpong said:

Last years target was to be around the playoff places, exceeded.

This year the target is 13pts, and whilst we aren't there, it is still achievable.

He's doing OK.  

Who said the playoffs were last years target?

[Doctoroncall]

14 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Who said the playoffs were last years target?

News to me. I thought it was promotion. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

It was red cards waved at Branfoot.

I didn't know that about 1970 (then again in my defence I was quite young watching it on Black and White tv.

For an 'anorak point' today though, I'm pretty sure cards were first used in England in 1976. George Best getting a red card at The Dell in October on the first day they were in use .

 

Whitey Grandad was correct, first used in 1970 WC and were the idea of an English referee Ken Aston https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23634720

You were also correct that 1976 was the English league introduction. George Best was sent off on the opening afternoon of their use at the Dell but a winger called Dave Wagstaffe received the first earlier that afternoon for Blackburn who were playing at Leyton Orient (scene of our promotion two years later).

[trousers]

56 minutes ago, pingpong said:

This year the target is 13pts

[Badger]

52 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

For dissent - ITV covered it as part of The Big Match. I remember the red cards being aimed at Branfoot during the Port Vale FA Cup game right near the end of his time with us.

I thought it was swearing at the referee. 

Story at the time was that he called the ref a wanker. Rodney Marsh asked why Best at had been sent off and after the ref explained he responded “well you are”. Ref didn’t have the nerve to send Marsh off as well. 
 

Marsh had received relentless abuse from the crowd from the start as he always did at The Dell. 

[saintant]

13 minutes ago, trousers said:

A high bar to be fair.

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Maybe most people who go to the games are more measured, appreciative of the circumstances and happy to see how we do up until now? Not everyone has to be as angry as you or others online. 

Most?

Sauce!

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Badger said:

It was red cards waved at Branfoot.

I didn't know that about 1970 (then again in my defence I was quite young watching it on Black and White tv.

For an 'anorak point' today though, I'm pretty sure cards were first used in England in 1976. George Best getting a red card at The Dell in October on the first day they were in use .

 

You learn something every day, if you take the time to look. I found this,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23634720

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, pingpong said:

Last years target was to be around the playoff places, exceeded.

This year the target is 13pts, and whilst we aren't there, it is still achievable.

He's doing OK.  

If you really think that 13 points is ‘doing OK’ then you must be Lucy and I claim my £5

[Dman]

2 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

How’s McKenna getting on this year out of interest?

3 points better off than your hero xoxo

[Badger]

2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

You learn something every day, if you take the time to look. I found this,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23634720

Interesting. I certainly don't recall the card system being suspended in the 1980's but they were some of my 'prime' years, and watched most games through a beer induced haze.

[Toussaint]

3 hours ago, Suhari said:

Maresca had a few detractors at Leicester last season - went to Chelsea. Kompany took Burnley down (I don't know how the fans viewed him last season) - he went to Bayern.

It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that a bigger club than us will look at RMs approach, want to play PBF, and decide he's their man. In fact, I absolutely believe that is what RM expects to happen.

I really think that unless SR get rid, he'll take us down and then fuck off.

 

And just had another thought......SR are all about player-trading. Surely they're not trying to be clever with 'manager-trading'? i.e. get some ££ for RM from a bigger club, rather than have to pay him to leave. I fucking hope not.

I think you are spot on. Russ fits really well with Rasmus's ideology. Its about their brand, that's really all that concerns them, classic narcissists. Narcissists do not care at all about collateral damage, all that is important is serving their own needs. They use others, even whole football clubs, to feed their ego. I would not be at all surprised if  Russel  gets a much bigger gig when he eventually leaves.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

21 minutes ago, Badger said:

Interesting. I certainly don't recall the card system being suspended in the 1980's but they were some of my 'prime' years, and watched most games through a beer induced haze.

I'd no memory of that either.

"The decision was ratified by the FA Council in January 1981 and two of the last red cards, for the time being, were shown to David Hodgson and Nicky Reid in a game between Manchester City and Middlesbrough."

I clearly have Panini memory, with the stickers of Reid and Hodgson I'm immediately appearing when I read that. 🙂

[Gloucester Saint]

50 minutes ago, Badger said:

I thought it was swearing at the referee. 

Story at the time was that he called the ref a wanker. Rodney Marsh asked why Best at had been sent off and after the ref explained he responded “well you are”. Ref didn’t have the nerve to send Marsh off as well. 
 

Marsh had received relentless abuse from the crowd from the start as he always did at The Dell. 

Rodney took a heavy tackle just prior to the incident, can’t remember who it was but VAR would have had a field day with it.

Marsh is an obnoxious prick so fair play to whichever Saints player it was. Good player but widely reckoned to have derailed City’s title push under Malcolm Allison in the early 70s.

[notnowcato]

3 hours ago, Dman said:

Both won the leauge fairly comfortably and didn't scrape through the play-off's. 

Kompany got the bayern job off the back of his playing career, more than his managerial one. Same is Maresca, had he not been Pep's assistant (or that weird bald fella, that was here at one point, who's now involved at Chels) he wouldn't have made the jump. 

In short, Martin has absolutely no pedigree in the game for anyone above us to take a punt, given how poorly this season has gone. 

Scrape through the play offs?? It was never fucking in doubt. 🧐 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

2 hours ago, swannymere said:

Constantly changing manager hasn't helped up at all in the last few seasons, how about sticking with this one?

Your logic is flawed. To keep a man blatantly out of his depth in his job because his two predecessors were crap is basically insane. When does the statue of limitations run out on this? 5 years? If he's not up to it then he's not up to it whatever might have gone before and what ever might happen in the future.

[Saint86]

If its rumoured to cost us £12M to sack him, we think we're down anyway, and we don't really fancy any of the available replacements... I can see why he's still in the job. What a ringing endorsement of Martin 😄

Edited 12 hours ago by Saint86

[notnowcato]

4 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Your logic is flawed. To keep a man blatantly out of his depth in his job because his two predecessors were crap is basically insane. When does the statue of limitations run out on this? 5 years? If he's not up to it then he's not up to it whatever might have gone before and what ever might happen in the future.

A running statue??

Apologies, the pedant in me has a terrible sense of humour. 
 

Anyway, to answer your question, n+1 OR more than 9 games. 

[OldNick]

2 hours ago, sfc4prem said:

I'm going back to my original position at the start of the season. Chopping and changing managers has seen us deteriorate (alongside many other factors, particularly piss-poor player recruitment).

 

I therefore reiterate the idea that Russ should stay even when we get relegated. Let's build something long lasting. Russ is young and has shown signs of adapting and learning - not radically, admittedly - and therefore could easily take us back up next season.

Basically, let's endure the shite served up this season and hope next summer's recruitment is sensibly ambitious.

As I was around during LM reign it was fortunate there was not a social media in those days. The club kept him and it bore fruit for us to enjoy the best days being s Saints fan.

Had the club buckled in his first season we may well have been hanging around the lower leagues year on year like our friends down the road.

Im unsure whether RM is the correct man butI dont trust SR to get a good appointment in his place. I assume soon people will be looking at the Aberdeen manager. Amazing job hes done

[derry]

2 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

If its rumoured to cost us £12M to sack him, we think we're down anyway, and we don't really fancy any of the available replacements... I can see why he's still in the job. What a ringing endorsement of Martin 😄

That is all the costs including bringing in a new team. It was explained in the article in the Echo. I hardly think we are paying his team of four £12m. Besides just put him on gardening leave and pay his salary over the agreed term. If he takes another job that's a result.

[trousers]

11 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

If its rumoured to cost us £12M to sack him, we think we're down anyway, and we don't really fancy any of the available replacements... I can see why he's still in the job. 

One assumes that cost is based on us having to continue to pay the remainder of his new 3 year contract whilst he's on 'gardening leave'...? In which case, given how good Russ is, and how sought after he'd be if we were to 'let him go', then surely we wouldn't have to pay anywhere near £12M....?

Edited 12 hours ago by trousers

[Saint-Michael]

Giving him a new three year contract at the start of the season tells me how poor the higher managmet is at the club .

Edited 6 hours ago by Saint-Michael

[CB Fry]

5 hours ago, Dman said:

Both won the leauge fairly comfortably and didn't scrape through the play-off's. 

Kompany got the bayern job off the back of his playing career, more than his managerial one. Same is Maresca, had he not been Pep's assistant (or that weird bald fella, that was here at one point, who's now involved at Chels) he wouldn't have made the jump. 

In short, Martin has absolutely no pedigree in the game for anyone above us to take a punt, given how poorly this season has gone. 

People on this forum are on another planet. If any old manager getting promoted from the Championship was enough to get an elite level managerial role then Neil Warnock would have got the Juventus job and Scott Parker would be manager of Barcelona today.

 Kompany and Maresca are nothing like Russell Martin FFS.