Russell Martin

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, Maggie May said:

Quarter finals! Get in!

First win of the PL season coming up against Everton. Cannot wait for the eventual u-turn from posters on here. 

No, you probably cannot, our  time is finite 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Well well well…it appears we have a significantly higher wage bill than Brentford, almost comparable with Brighton…..and not far off double that of Ipswich

Horseshit. I don't believe a word of it, PSR something something.

[Convict Colony]

Ok so getting back to tactics a little bit and its been annoying since Martin got appointed and that is 2 things, how we attack and how effectively we press.

Attack:

To get our positional play working we need to create space across the pitch and the first step to exploit that is to get the first reciever (mainly downes) to get the ball off the centre back etc on the half turn and drive forward from there, our reality is usually it goes to Downes/Aribo etc and there is a 75% chance its going back to the other CB or to 1 of the other defenders allowing the opposition to reset into their shape.  To give you a easy comparision of how it should be done think how Lavia recieved the ball, half turned and instantly accelerated up field looking to play more vertical passes to the next line of players.

We slow down our own play too much (ironically not being brave enough) therefore when the ball does go over the half way line its completley congested as the oppo have got back into shape and there is no space, hence how many times have our crosses been blocked, shots blocked its because we walk the ball up the field instead of breaking out once we evade the 1st line of press.

My interim solution for this would be to make Fernandes the quarter back as he has the speed and turn to break out and definitely getting us attacking at speed to use our pace out wide.

Pressing:

The downside to our play is the space that can be exploited,  but normally teams try to negate this by winning the ball back high up the pitch, look how city presses as soon as they loose the ball in the other half.  Honestly i think this is more crap than our attack, our pressing has been bang average, the opposition easily beats it everytime and does ironically what i mention above, accelerate through our lines into our half quickly to get good chances.  Usually we have to rely on someone sprinting 60yards to try and recover - yesterday suga did that to clear off the line, we need to stop these breakouts with better choesive pressing.

 

Anyway morning rant out of the way, dont expect anything will change and trying to walk the football into the opposition box will continue, before a shot or cross is blocked and we half arsed press to retrieve it.

 

 

 

Edited October 30 by Convict Colony
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[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

Ok so getting back to tactics a little bit and its been annoying since Martin got appointed and that is 2 things, how we attack and how effectively we press.

Attack:

To get our positional play working we need to create space across the pitch and the first step to exploit that is to get the first reciever (mainly downes) to get the ball off the centre back etc on the half turn and drive forward from there, our reality is usually it goes to Downes/Aribo etc and there is a 75% chance its going back to the other CB or to 1 of the other defenders allowing the opposition to reset into their shape.  To give you a easy comparision of how it should be done think how Lavia recieved the ball, half turned and instantly accelerated up field looking to play more verticial passes to the next line of players.

We slow down our own play too much (ironically not being brave enough) therefore when the ball does go over the half way line its completley congested as the oppo have got back into shape and there is no space, hence how many times have our crosses been blocked, shots blocked its because we walk the ball up the field instead of breaking out once we evade the 1st line of press.

My interim solution for this would be to make Fernandes the quarter back as he has the speed and turn to break out and definitely getting us attacking at speed to use our pace out wide.

Pressing:

The downside to our play is the space that can be exploited,  but normally teams try to negate this by winning the ball back high up the pitch, look how city presses as soon as they loose the ball in the other half.  Honestly i think this is more crap than our attack, our pressing has been bang average, the opposition easily beats it everytime and does ironically what i mention above, accelerate through our lines into our half quickly to get good chances.  Usually we have to rely on someone sprinting 60yards to try and recover - yesterday suga did that to clear off the line, we need to stop these breakouts with better choesive pressing.

 

Anyway morning rant out of the way, dont expect anything will change and trying to walk the football into the opposition box will continue, before a shot or cross is blocked and we half arsed press to retrieve it.

 

 

 

Agreed.

My heart sinks when we pass the ball forward to a midfielder in space who doesn’t even turn and have a look upfield.

Every time the ball is pinged back first time somewhere in the world another butterfly dies and the game I love turns into the game I loathe.

[Dman]

15 hours ago, saintant said:

That's interesting. I do wonder if, like Rasmus, JW is another of those who talks a good game but without the nous to back it up.

what has he done in his career to justify his role at United? Absolutely nothing. So I'd agree, yes. 

[SWLondon Saint]

5 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Agreed.

My heart sinks when we pass the ball forward to a midfielder in space who doesn’t even turn and have a look upfield.

Every time the ball is pinged back first time somewhere in the world another butterfly dies and the game I love turns into the game I loathe.

100% this. Wall passes are the right pass sometimes, but we play them far too often and actually play ourselves into trouble with them a lot of the time. It's bad habits players have got into from the level below where the tactical side is more lax and the press isn't as well structured.

As Convict Colony said above, the players receiving after the first line of the press have to be able to play on the half turn, and Downes isn't that great at it. It has to be Fernandes or Lallana as they're the only 2 in our team who can play that way.

[FarehamSaintJames]

Get rid now, being a new manager bounce for Everton and Wolves.

[coalman]

“I’m happy we won," said Martin, who watched from the stands as he served a one-match touchline ban. "I walked into the dressing room and the players were a little bit flat, a bit frustrated with themselves that it ended up being so close and us winning the game so late, but I did remind them that they’ve won a game, we’re through in the cup and that was the aim at the start of the night.

You think, Russ? You just nearly lost to Stoke at home, conceded a 2 goal lead limply again, couldn't turn possession into clear cut chances and scraped through and the players are are a bit "frustrated with themselves". Maybe they're frustrated with something else?

[austsaint]

15 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Get rid now, being a new manager bounce for Everton and Wolves.

Needs to happen.  Is not going to happen.

[coalman]

We're already up there with the worst starts to a Premier League season in history.

https://theanalyst.com/2024/08/worst-starts-premier-league-season

Crystal Palace lost seven on the bounce before winning one. Pompey lost seven on the bounce before drawing their next two. Both finished bottom.

[CB Fry]

37 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Get rid now, being a new manager bounce for Everton and Wolves.

Not going to happen.

The club and the Martinettes on here want us to piss away these two easier games just to satisfy their "he's actually Alex Ferguson and he is going to prove you all wrong" delusions.

[East Kent Saint]

Back in the day didn’t Arsenal come up with the W shaped passing tactic which did well for a while ?

[saintant]

2 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Ok so getting back to tactics a little bit and its been annoying since Martin got appointed and that is 2 things, how we attack and how effectively we press.

Attack:

To get our positional play working we need to create space across the pitch and the first step to exploit that is to get the first reciever (mainly downes) to get the ball off the centre back etc on the half turn and drive forward from there, our reality is usually it goes to Downes/Aribo etc and there is a 75% chance its going back to the other CB or to 1 of the other defenders allowing the opposition to reset into their shape.  To give you a easy comparision of how it should be done think how Lavia recieved the ball, half turned and instantly accelerated up field looking to play more vertical passes to the next line of players.

We slow down our own play too much (ironically not being brave enough) therefore when the ball does go over the half way line its completley congested as the oppo have got back into shape and there is no space, hence how many times have our crosses been blocked, shots blocked its because we walk the ball up the field instead of breaking out once we evade the 1st line of press.

My interim solution for this would be to make Fernandes the quarter back as he has the speed and turn to break out and definitely getting us attacking at speed to use our pace out wide.

Pressing:

The downside to our play is the space that can be exploited,  but normally teams try to negate this by winning the ball back high up the pitch, look how city presses as soon as they loose the ball in the other half.  Honestly i think this is more crap than our attack, our pressing has been bang average, the opposition easily beats it everytime and does ironically what i mention above, accelerate through our lines into our half quickly to get good chances.  Usually we have to rely on someone sprinting 60yards to try and recover - yesterday suga did that to clear off the line, we need to stop these breakouts with better choesive pressing.

 

Anyway morning rant out of the way, dont expect anything will change and trying to walk the football into the opposition box will continue, before a shot or cross is blocked and we half arsed press to retrieve it.

 

 

 

Not a criticism of you but you are stating the bleeding obvious - unfortunately, our manager doesn't agree and is determined to embarrass us by doing things his way which is clearly bonkers but he will continue until the owners decide/realise that he is way out of his depth and unable to coach the method he advocates so strongly. Meanwhile we, the fans, are forced to suffer this garbage week in week out.

Edited October 30 by saintant

[Football Special]

50 minutes ago, coalman said:

“I’m happy we won," said Martin, who watched from the stands as he served a one-match touchline ban. "I walked into the dressing room and the players were a little bit flat, a bit frustrated with themselves that it ended up being so close and us winning the game so late, but I did remind them that they’ve won a game, we’re through in the cup and that was the aim at the start of the night.

You think, Russ? You just nearly lost to Stoke at home, conceded a 2 goal lead limply again, couldn't turn possession into clear cut chances and scraped through and the players are are a bit "frustrated with themselves". Maybe they're frustrated with something else?

"Smile lads, you're now one of the top 8 teams in the country*"

 

*in the carabao cup 

[Football Special]

He's excited this gives us another chance to draw Man City, exhibit his philosophy and bathe in the compliments of Pep 

[danjosaint]

1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Get rid now, being a new manager bounce for Everton and Wolves.

Steady on.....10yr plan and all that 

[malcolm waldron]

3 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Ok so getting back to tactics a little bit and its been annoying since Martin got appointed and that is 2 things, how we attack and how effectively we press.

Attack:

To get our positional play working we need to create space across the pitch and the first step to exploit that is to get the first reciever (mainly downes) to get the ball off the centre back etc on the half turn and drive forward from there, our reality is usually it goes to Downes/Aribo etc and there is a 75% chance its going back to the other CB or to 1 of the other defenders allowing the opposition to reset into their shape.  To give you a easy comparision of how it should be done think how Lavia recieved the ball, half turned and instantly accelerated up field looking to play more vertical passes to the next line of players.

We slow down our own play too much (ironically not being brave enough) therefore when the ball does go over the half way line its completley congested as the oppo have got back into shape and there is no space, hence how many times have our crosses been blocked, shots blocked its because we walk the ball up the field instead of breaking out once we evade the 1st line of press.

My interim solution for this would be to make Fernandes the quarter back as he has the speed and turn to break out and definitely getting us attacking at speed to use our pace out wide.

Pressing:

The downside to our play is the space that can be exploited,  but normally teams try to negate this by winning the ball back high up the pitch, look how city presses as soon as they loose the ball in the other half.  Honestly i think this is more crap than our attack, our pressing has been bang average, the opposition easily beats it everytime and does ironically what i mention above, accelerate through our lines into our half quickly to get good chances.  Usually we have to rely on someone sprinting 60yards to try and recover - yesterday suga did that to clear off the line, we need to stop these breakouts with better choesive pressing.

 

Anyway morning rant out of the way, dont expect anything will change and trying to walk the football into the opposition box will continue, before a shot or cross is blocked and we half arsed press to retrieve it.

 

 

 

Couldn't agree more with you - but we saw this time and again last season.  Notable games that are sadly lodged in my mind are Rotherham (home), Huddersfield (a) and Watford (a) all drawn, where we'd regain the ball on the edge of our box (because the opposition weren't great) and then very slowly pass the ball in a U shape between CBs and full-backs.  Meanwhile the opposition are sprinting back to get in shape meaning 2 mins later, when we've crossed the halfway line, there's nowhere to go because the space is now covered.  Hence more possession in our own half and no goal threat.

I honestly don't know what we're trying to achieve with this, particularly against better, stronger, fitter more technically capable opponents.

[RedArmy]

11 hours ago, Turkish said:

 

Can only beat what’s in front of you

brilliant resilience to bounce back after giving away the leads. 
 

superb tactics and substitutes to get the winners. 
 

Yet all you do is complain 🤦

Can only beat what’s in front of him in the cup and can’t beat what’s in front of him in the league. 
 

Russell Martinola 

[Zorba]

37 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

Steady on.....10yr plan and all that 

SR won’t be around in 10 years time. Dragan will get bored with his new toys in the next few years when they’re under-achieving and costing him cash. He’ll sell up and move on. We’ll be left with a Div 1 basket case of a club. Saints deserve better than this crap.

[Whitey Grandad]

43 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

Steady on.....10yr plan and all that 

Soon we shall be two years in and back where we started but in a worse position.

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

Can only beat what’s in front of him in the cup and can’t beat what’s in front of him in the league. 
 

Russell Martinola 

Define beat. Can’t beat on whose metrics?

Edited October 30 by Turkish

[Whitey Grandad]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Define beat. Can’t beat on whose metrics?

Dead beat

[Saint_Jonny]

At this point I just want Saints to make a change so you can all see that, while Martin and his style has more than it's fair share of glaring issues, our playing squad is nowhere near the level required to survive in this Premier League. 

The need to see someone sacked is pathetic. I am not a "Martin sympathiser", I am just sick of the pattern of firing managers, paying them millions so they can sit on their arses for doing nothing and hobbling the clubs finances in the process to achieve absolutely fuck all other than appeasing some fans need to see someone fired. We will change manager and nothing will change. There will be no bounce. The players will be the same players. People on here and everywhere else will jump down the  new manager's throat as soon as kicking it long isn't seen to be working and we lose a few games. Rinse and repeat. Forever. 

[SaintLondon]

2 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said:

At this point I just want Saints to make a change so you can all see that, while Martin and his style has more than it's fair share of glaring issues, our playing squad is nowhere near the level required to survive in this Premier League. 

The need to see someone sacked is pathetic. I am not a "Martin sympathiser", I am just sick of the pattern of firing managers, paying them millions so they can sit on their arses for doing nothing and hobbling the clubs finances in the process to achieve absolutely fuck all other than appeasing some fans need to see someone fired. We will change manager and nothing will change. There will be no bounce. The players will be the same players. People on here and everywhere else will jump down the  new manager's throat as soon as kicking it long isn't seen to be working and we lose a few games. Rinse and repeat. Forever. 

Yeah changing managers never works, you're right.*

*You're not.

Yes our squad isn't great but people aren't calling for Martin's head for the fun of it. There are clear and fundamental issues which hark back to his early days with us which are still playing out. Jamie O'Hara on TalkSport said he thinks Russell Martin is managing his own future and not what is best for us. I think that might be the nail on the head. I like Russell but his lack of ability / desire to adapt is what is really punishing us. Say what you want about this squad but we should be on more than 1 point - arguably we should be on 6 perhaps 7. Which I might add would put us out of the relegation spots as it stands. Changing the manager might not yield the desired results but I fear not changing the manager guarantees unchanging results. 

PS - I would love to be proven wrong, I'd love to win the next two games before the international break with my tail between my legs but I just can't see it happening.

[LGTL]

2 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

Yeah changing managers never works, you're right.*

*You're not.

Yes our squad isn't great but people aren't calling for Martin's head for the fun of it. There are clear and fundamental issues which hark back to his early days with us which are still playing out. Jamie O'Hara on TalkSport said he thinks Russell Martin is managing his own future and not what is best for us. I think that might be the nail on the head. I like Russell but his lack of ability / desire to adapt is what is really punishing us. Say what you want about this squad but we should be on more than 1 point - arguably we should be on 6 perhaps 7. Which I might add would put us out of the relegation spots as it stands. Changing the manager might not yield the desired results but I fear not changing the manager guarantees unchanging results. 

PS - I would love to be proven wrong, I'd love to win the next two games before the international break with my tail between my legs but I just can't see it happening.

That’s absolutely true. O’Hara is a cock but he’s spot on with that. Martin would happily lose playing his way, then win a different way, as he’s mentioned many times. Russ cares about Russ and probably thinks he can relegate us and Bayern will come calling. Thick twat. 

[Dman]

26 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said:

At this point I just want Saints to make a change so you can all see that, while Martin and his style has more than it's fair share of glaring issues, our playing squad is nowhere near the level required to survive in this Premier League. 

The need to see someone sacked is pathetic. I am not a "Martin sympathiser", I am just sick of the pattern of firing managers, paying them millions so they can sit on their arses for doing nothing and hobbling the clubs finances in the process to achieve absolutely fuck all other than appeasing some fans need to see someone fired. We will change manager and nothing will change. There will be no bounce. The players will be the same players. People on here and everywhere else will jump down the  new manager's throat as soon as kicking it long isn't seen to be working and we lose a few games. Rinse and repeat. Forever. 

And Ipswich's is? we've got 1 point mate, thrown away leads against the 2 other promoted sides (at home). 

The players aren't cut out to succeed at this level - but playing a different way with a coach who knows how to make you hard to beat will give us a much better chance. 

We also only last night scrapped our way through against a side 19th in the championship.... and our only other win was a spunky one against a team who up until a few weeks ago were bottom of the champ. 

Edited October 30 by Dman

[saintwbu]

30 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

Yeah changing managers never works, you're right.*

*You're not.

Yes our squad isn't great but people aren't calling for Martin's head for the fun of it. There are clear and fundamental issues which hark back to his early days with us which are still playing out. Jamie O'Hara on TalkSport said he thinks Russell Martin is managing his own future and not what is best for us. I think that might be the nail on the head. I like Russell but his lack of ability / desire to adapt is what is really punishing us. Say what you want about this squad but we should be on more than 1 point - arguably we should be on 6 perhaps 7. Which I might add would put us out of the relegation spots as it stands. Changing the manager might not yield the desired results but I fear not changing the manager guarantees unchanging results. 

PS - I would love to be proven wrong, I'd love to win the next two games before the international break with my tail between my legs but I just can't see it happening.

If Jamie O’Hara told me it was hot outside i’d wear my coat. He knows absolutely fuck all, and i’d be amazed if he’s watched a single game of ours this season. He said on the same show ‘what’s happened to the academy’ whilst naming about 4 players we’ve produced over a range of 40 years (MLT, Walcott, Bale, Lallana) whilst clearly not realising we currently have an 18 year old starting every game for us at the moment. 

[SaintLondon]

8 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

If Jamie O’Hara told me it was hot outside i’d wear my coat. He knows absolutely fuck all, and i’d be amazed if he’s watched a single game of ours this season. He said on the same show ‘what’s happened to the academy’ whilst naming about 4 players we’ve produced over a range of 40 years (MLT, Walcott, Bale, Lallana) whilst clearly not realising we currently have an 18 year old starting every game for us at the moment. 

Not suggesting O'Hara is the oracle or the Dalai Lama but on this occasion I think he was right. Even a broken clock is right twice a day etc etc. 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Not going to happen.

The club and the Martinettes on here want us to piss away these two easier games just to satisfy their "he's actually Alex Ferguson and he is going to prove you all wrong" delusions.

What can the fans do about it?

The only time I've ever heard our fans sing in chorus: "Your football is sh*t" about our own team was at Palace in the Cup a couple of years ago when Mr Jones was manager. He didn't last much longer after that. I'd be surprised if RM's out the door before the international break but maybe it's time to let SR know from the terraces what the majority are thinking of this football. 

Five minutes to go and we're trailing against Everton. Boos are one thing but a song echoing around the ground attracts media interest and will attract SR's attention.

[Hamwic]

Better still if people leave in droves during the match. SR will not want to see that on MoTD. If they do leave, they won't miss it much. 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Saint_Jonny said:

At this point I just want Saints to make a change so you can all see that, while Martin and his style has more than it's fair share of glaring issues, our playing squad is nowhere near the level required to survive in this Premier League. 

The need to see someone sacked is pathetic. I am not a "Martin sympathiser", I am just sick of the pattern of firing managers, paying them millions so they can sit on their arses for doing nothing and hobbling the clubs finances in the process to achieve absolutely fuck all other than appeasing some fans need to see someone fired. We will change manager and nothing will change. There will be no bounce. The players will be the same players. People on here and everywhere else will jump down the  new manager's throat as soon as kicking it long isn't seen to be working and we lose a few games. Rinse and repeat. Forever. 

You seem to be blaming the fans for voicing their criticism of bad managers - I think you should be blaming those that appoint them which is obviously SR.

[FarehamSaintJames]

Risk is I want RM to be replaced for an upgrade.

Problem is SR don’t have a great record for this kind of stuff. They’ll probably bring in Schumacher or some other low league manager.

[tdmickey3]

13 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Risk is I want RM to be replaced for an upgrade.

Problem is SR don’t have a great record for this kind of stuff. They’ll probably bring in Schumacher or some other low league manager.

We have to roll the dice, to continue with this fiasco is madness. 

We can hope the new manager can turn it around, but at the very least give us a chance by getting the best out of this squad and not going down in this pathetic manner and welded to this ridiculous style.

[Saint_Jonny]

3 hours ago, SaintLondon said:

Yeah changing managers never works, you're right.*

*You're not.

 

This article would suggest that I am right (or at least on average, changing doesn't improve fortunes) And there are more studies into this besides, just google it. Yeah there will be outliers, but for every Unai Emery there will be several more Nathan Jones, or managers that come in and achieve precisely fuck all, continuing the same poor form that has become endemic due to the quality of the playing staff or culture of the club at the time. 

[SWLondon Saint]

26 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said:

This article would suggest that I am right (or at least on average, changing doesn't improve fortunes) And there are more studies into this besides, just google it. Yeah there will be outliers, but for every Unai Emery there will be several more Nathan Jones, or managers that come in and achieve precisely fuck all, continuing the same poor form that has become endemic due to the quality of the playing staff or culture of the club at the time. 

Well, yes and no - the article clearly states that this is on average, over multiple leagues and a long timeframe. It also says that experienced but not very high achieving coaches are generally favoured over less known coaches with potential.

So your analogy is dead wrong - for there to be on average no effect, for every Unai Emery, there are not multiple Nathan Joneses, there is just one!

And anyway, when you have 1 point from 27, isn't it kind of academic whether a new manager will be worse? You literally can't get much worse.

[Dman]

1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Risk is I want RM to be replaced for an upgrade.

Problem is SR don’t have a great record for this kind of stuff. They’ll probably bring in Schumacher or some other low league manager.

Nothing is guarenteed. We could bring in a big name and they flop but alternatively we could go for an unknown and they hit the ground running. 

Poch is a great example of that latter, as is Mckenna at Ipswich. On the face of things, he was extreamly high risk and had nothing in his past to say he was an upgrade on Adkins. 

Some managers suits certain clubs despite maybe not being the best manager or name about. 

All I know is that I'm willing for us to risk it. If we carry on, I'm certain we wont make 10 points. 

[Dman]

40 minutes ago, Saint_Jonny said:

This article would suggest that I am right (or at least on average, changing doesn't improve fortunes) And there are more studies into this besides, just google it. Yeah there will be outliers, but for every Unai Emery there will be several more Nathan Jones, or managers that come in and achieve precisely fuck all, continuing the same poor form that has become endemic due to the quality of the playing staff or culture of the club at the time. 

Jesus christ, comparing Jones to Emery is crazy. 

[Osvaldorama]

12 minutes ago, Dman said:

Nothing is guarenteed. We could bring in a big name and they flop but alternatively we could go for an unknown and they hit the ground running. 

Poch is a great example of that latter, as is Mckenna at Ipswich. On the face of things, he was extreamly high risk and had nothing in his past to say he was an upgrade on Adkins. 

Some managers suits certain clubs despite maybe not being the best manager or name about. 

All I know is that I'm willing for us to risk it. If we carry on, I'm certain we wont make 10 points. 

This is the thing all the Martin fan boys are missing 

We literally can’t get worse this time. 
 

I know this was said before under Hasenhuttl. (Where we didn’t realise how good we had it up in 15th). 
 

But this time we literally can’t get worse. We lose every week. Even struggled against Stoke’s reserves.

 

Why wouldn’t we try something new?

[Gloucester Saint]

5 hours ago, Saint_Jonny said:

At this point I just want Saints to make a change so you can all see that, while Martin and his style has more than it's fair share of glaring issues, our playing squad is nowhere near the level required to survive in this Premier League. 

The need to see someone sacked is pathetic. I am not a "Martin sympathiser", I am just sick of the pattern of firing managers, paying them millions so they can sit on their arses for doing nothing and hobbling the clubs finances in the process to achieve absolutely fuck all other than appeasing some fans need to see someone fired. We will change manager and nothing will change. There will be no bounce. The players will be the same players. People on here and everywhere else will jump down the  new manager's throat as soon as kicking it long isn't seen to be working and we lose a few games. Rinse and repeat. Forever. 

I half agree in the sense that sacking Martin - which is so blatantly obvious to the point it no longer even needs to be said to anyone associated with English football as the club’s results must come first - will not be a panacea or anything like it. The person/people who appointed him, Nathan Jones and have had a mostly disastrous last 5 transfer windows are still there as co-owners of SR. 

Nor is SR’s structure working with the industry expertise and resources it has. Dragan basically needs to get a co-investor with a bit more industry know how, additional capital to spread the risk and the ability to see through Rasmus’s snake oil. Best way to do that is an expanded SR board where him and Kraft get outnumbered and outvoted. 

A good DoF - not someone in charge of an ECL club’s academy system but with real operational top leagues experience - would break the cycle you describe.

[Turkish]

6 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Not going to happen.

The club and the Martinettes on here want us to piss away these two easier games just to satisfy their "he's actually Alex Ferguson and he is going to prove you all wrong" delusions.

Utter nonsense. Fergusons outdated tactics of 4-4-2 with two wide players swinging crosses and two traditional full backs who cannot attacked would be ruthlessly exposed by Martins superior tactical nouse 

[franniesTache]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Utter nonsense. Fergusons outdated tactics of 4-4-2 with two wide players swinging crosses and two traditional full backs who cannot attacked would be ruthlessly exposed by Martins superior tactical nouse 

Look surely the proof is there for all of us to see. 

Forget the fact we have only got 1 pt from a possible 27.

Forget that we're bottom of the league.

Forget that we've conceded 19 goals and only scored 6.

Forget that our only two wins this season have come against lower league opposition and both been due to James Bree goals.

None of that is the point. The point is we've retained possession, and BEEN BRAVE! 

And obviously Ferguson could never have done that.

[Suhari]

38 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

This is the thing all the Martin fan boys are missing 

We literally can’t get worse this time. 
 

I know this was said before under Hasenhuttl. (Where we didn’t realise how good we had it up in 15th). 
 

But this time we literally can’t get worse. We lose every week. Even struggled against Stoke’s reserves.

 

Why wouldn’t we try something new?

Ralph led us to a run of 4 wins from 21 and finished 15th in his last full season.

He was fired the following season having got us 12 points from 14. He was (sadly) a broken man and needed to go.

Anyone think Russ gets us 12 points from 14?

 

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

6 minutes ago, Suhari said:

Ralph led us to a run of 4 wins from 21 and finished 15th in his last full season.

He was fired the following season having got us 12 points from 14. He was (sadly) a broken man and needed to go.

Anyone think Russ gets us 12 points from 14?

 

12 from 140 maybe

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

This is the thing all the Martin fan boys are missing 

We literally can’t get worse this time. 
 

I know this was said before under Hasenhuttl. (Where we didn’t realise how good we had it up in 15th). 
 

But this time we literally can’t get worse. We lose every week. Even struggled against Stoke’s reserves.

 

Why wouldn’t we try something new?

Because the data says otherwise.

all that’s missing is taking our chances and stopping the opposition scoring. Everything else is really brilliant. Once we fix those minor details then you’ll be eating your tofu lined words 

[LGTL]

1 hour ago, Suhari said:

Ralph led us to a run of 4 wins from 21 and finished 15th in his last full season.

He was fired the following season having got us 12 points from 14. He was (sadly) a broken man and needed to go.

Anyone think Russ gets us 12 points from 14?

 

Russ won’t get us 12 points from 14 years ffs

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, franniesTache said:

Look surely the proof is there for all of us to see. 

Forget the fact we have only got 1 pt from a possible 27.

Forget that we're bottom of the league.

Forget that we've conceded 19 goals and only scored 6.

Forget that our only two wins this season have come against lower league opposition and both been due to James Bree goals.

None of that is the point. The point is we've retained possession, and BEEN BRAVE! 

And obviously Ferguson could never have done that.

It’s all about perspective 

bottom of which league? Not the possession one for sure

Who decided points should be awarded for the most times you put a small circular object between 8 foot by 20 foot posts with a net hanging off the back of it? Utterly ridiculous measurement of success

We play by our own rules not the rules determined by suits who know nothing about the game 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It’s all about perspective 

bottom of which league? Not the possession one for sure

Who decided points should be awarded for the most times you put a small circular object between 8 foot by 20 foot posts with a net hanging off the back of it? Utterly ridiculous measurement of success

We play by our own rules not the rules determined by suits who know nothing about the game 

History will show us as the true winners.

[StrangelyBrown]

On 29/10/2024 at 09:15, Farmer Saint said:

Very possibly - difficult to know nowadays - I see they have 14 players on £50k plus!

Apparently Ramsdale is on £120k PW 😬 

 

Looks at this though...

It does beg the question of who signs all this off?? We have a ridiculous number of bang average wide attacking players - for instance rather than spunking wages on cornet and BBD couldn't we have just bought one better player (and overpaid a bit to secure them)??

[AlexLaw76]

42 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said:

 for instance rather than spunking wages on cornet and BBD couldn't we have just bought one better player (and overpaid a bit to secure them)??

PSR apparently!

[Saint NL]

Man United sacked their underperforming manager and are now beating Leicester 2-0.

Might be worth a go 🙄