Turkish Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 Honestly I am a little bit surprised at tall the bleating about the style of play. This club has won six games out of 37 this season and got knocked out of the cup by a league two side. There can’t be a team in the country that have won fewer games than us over the last five years. I want us to get back to winning more than we lose for a bit and then worry about if we do it in style when we’ve stopped being tonked every week 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 1 minute ago, Turkish said: Honestly I am a little bit surprised at tall the bleating about the style of play. This club has won six games out of 37 this season and got knocked out of the cup by a league two side. There can’t be a team in the country that have won fewer games than us over the last five years. I want us to get back to winning more than we lose for a bit and then worry about if we do it in style when we’ve stopped being tonked every week There's a losing mentality at Saints currently. Unless that weak mentality gets turned around we'll just see more of the same. Selles couldn't do it because he was part of that loser thinking. Martin will have a job just getting Saints believing they can actually win games. He'll need our support in doing that. 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintscummer Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 2 minutes ago, obelisk said: There's a losing mentality at Saints currently. Unless that weak mentality gets turned around we'll just see more of the same. Selles couldn't do it because he was part of that loser thinking. Martin will have a job just getting Saints believing they can actually win games. He'll need our support in doing that. Couldn’t agree any more with your sentiments 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 8 minutes ago, obelisk said: There's a losing mentality at Saints currently. Unless that weak mentality gets turned around we'll just see more of the same. Selles couldn't do it because he was part of that loser thinking. Martin will have a job just getting Saints believing they can actually win games. He'll need our support in doing that. Absolutely and exactly what I am getting at. We need to turn that around before worrying about we’re winning playing slick stylish football. The new manager has a big job on his hands to turn around a club that is used to losing, hopefully a lot of those responsible will be gone over the summer but im more interested with substance over style at the moment given we’ve about 65% of our games the last five years 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 1 hour ago, Turkish said: Honestly I am a little bit surprised at tall the bleating about the style of play. This club has won six games out of 37 this season and got knocked out of the cup by a league two side. There can’t be a team in the country that have won fewer games than us over the last five years. I want us to get back to winning more than we lose for a bit and then worry about if we do it in style when we’ve stopped being tonked every week Our current style of play = losing. All the fucking time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 1 hour ago, Turkish said: Honestly I am a little bit surprised at tall the bleating about the style of play. This club has won six games out of 37 this season and got knocked out of the cup by a league two side. There can’t be a team in the country that have won fewer games than us over the last five years. I want us to get back to winning more than we lose for a bit and then worry about if we do it in style when we’ve stopped being tonked every week It’s the cautious pedestrian style that has got us to this state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 8 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: It’s the cautious pedestrian style that has got us to this state. You were one of the I want to be entertained brigade who wanted Puel out for finishing 8th 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 1 minute ago, Turkish said: You were one of the I want to be entertained brigade who wanted Puel out for finishing 8th Oh do shut up about finishing 8th. If you were impressed by that I’ve got a couple of bridges to sell you. That season was crap. So was this. What’s wrong with wanting to be entertained? I am being asked to pay a small fortune to watch shit dry. Puel was no different. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Oh do shut up about finishing 8th. If you were impressed by that I’ve got a couple of bridges to sell you. That season was crap. So was this. What’s wrong with wanting to be entertained? I am being asked to pay a small fortune to watch shit dry. Puel was no different. I’m more impressed by that than finishing bottom on 24 points 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 1 hour ago, Turkish said: Absolutely and exactly what I am getting at. We need to turn that around before worrying about we’re winning playing slick stylish football. The new manager has a big job on his hands to turn around a club that is used to losing, hopefully a lot of those responsible will be gone over the summer but im more interested with substance over style at the moment given we’ve about 65% of our games the last five years Changing the mentality of this club will be a huge, huge challenge. Proper losers club right now. Going to take a hell of a turnaround. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 6 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said: My biggest concern with the proposed Martin appointment is that he favours a style of football that is not suited to our team - attempting to play out from the back. It’s not really worked, particularly with McCarty’s distribution and worse still when we’ve played lower league teams we’ve still looked rubbish. It’s not the Manager who ensures tactics are translated into results on the pitch…it’s the players and with JWP having so much possession that tends to translate into sideways and backwards passes with little dynamic threat going forwards. I just wonder whether this is really an appointment that will change our fortunes or one that will see us sink even further…the jury’s out, but I’m not hopeful. What does suit our team though? They can't press, they can't defend, they can't do long ball, they can't retain or pass the ball. Pretty hopeless in all departments. Thankfully we have a new DoF, head of recruitment and manager who are geared to this way of playing. There will be a huge change up in the summer and we will sign players suited for the way Martin wants to play, 100% gaurenteed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 9 hours ago, OldNick said: Luckily the club didnt listen to the fans re Poch and back to Big Mac. We all believe we know best. The reality is that we are a Championship club with a fanbase that is disenchanted. We have a list of managers thrown to the dogs, as they in our opinion didnt fit certain sections taste. The list of people wanting to take us on has dropped in quality I myself was not rushed into headlong celebration with the new owners very early. Semmens was a good man but I wonder if he he got sucked in by the sales talk and now regrets choosing to go forward with their bid ? Semmens did not get to choose who his boss sold the club to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugenhagen Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: It’s the cautious pedestrian style that has got us to this state. I think Martin is a big, big risk - more likely to backfire than succeed - but I do not understand that a lot of posters fixate on this (sorry for using your qoute Gran ). I can't for the life of me see that we played the same way that Swansea did. We just had no plan when in possession, and could not play football. Our sideways passing was just retention with no attacking intent. I am not a fan of possession fotball, I am a fan of creating a lot of chances football - don't really care much for how we go about doing it. Just happy that things are changing, because it brings back hope again. Can't remember the last game I looked forward to - now back to: any given Sunday... err Saturday! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 2 hours ago, Turkish said: I’m more impressed by that than finishing bottom on 24 points Both seasons were crap. If all you care about is points then why do you ever pay to swatch a game. Assuming that you do. Why not just look up the result later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 4 hours ago, Crab Lungs said: Changing the mentality of this club will be a huge, huge challenge. Proper losers club right now. Going to take a hell of a turnaround. It's the kind of situation that needs a single minded ideologue like Martin really 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 May, 2023 Share Posted 27 May, 2023 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: Both seasons were crap. If all you care about is points then why do you ever pay to swatch a game. Assuming that you do. Why not just look up the result later? Yeah you’re right. Winning in the cup against Liverpool and inter Milan was just as bad as losing in the cup against Grimsby. How you can say they are remotely similar is insane 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 People forget that after we sold Fonte and VVD got injured by Vardy, our first choice centre back pairing for the second half of the season was Yoshida and Stephens. My world class comment was obviously tongue in cheek but Puel did a very good job considering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 22 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said: People forget that after we sold Fonte and VVD got injured by Vardy, our first choice centre back pairing for the second half of the season was Yoshida and Stephens. My world class comment was obviously tongue in cheek but Puel did a very good job considering. Why do you think he has failed at every job since? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 We did not get relegated because of our style of play or tactics. If we had won matches no one would have complained about our style of play. We all hated Branfoot's style of play but we stayed up and we all know why. Why did we go down? We had good players who hadn't yet learned how to play in the Premier league. We had good players who didn't adapt to playing in the Premier league and we had players not good enough for the Premier league, but most importantly we didn't have a match winner. We didn't have a Davies, Channon, Le Tissier, Lambert or Ings that could turn 1-0 defeats in to draws or victories. There is only so much any manager can do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 22 minutes ago, Tom & Gerry said: We did not get relegated because of our style of play or tactics. If we had won matches no one would have complained about our style of play. We all hated Branfoot's style of play but we stayed up and we all know why. Why did we go down? We had good players who hadn't yet learned how to play in the Premier league. We had good players who didn't adapt to playing in the Premier league and we had players not good enough for the Premier league, but most importantly we didn't have a match winner. We didn't have a Davies, Channon, Le Tissier, Lambert or Ings that could turn 1-0 defeats in to draws or victories. There is only so much any manager can do. Perhaps if we had played in a consistently well-coached style we might have won more games. No coincidence that our best spells under Ralph were when you could pretty much name 10 of the 11 starters and the formation. Under Jones and Selles there has been no obvious plan. Good coaching and a clear gameplan will get the most out of a set of players and we have lacked that since Ralph lost confidence in his style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 Will he be in the stands today? 👀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 4 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Will he be in the stands today? 👀 One shit manager replacing another shit manager. I’m sorry but the more I research and read about our new incoming manager the more I’m puzzled what the board see in him. They just can’t stop making fucks ups!! 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 I choose to be happy with this appointment and assume it will work out unless it proves not to be the case. We should probably be able to see after about ten games if it's worth sticking with or not (Jones it took even less.) The alternative is to gripe and moan about something we have no control over and which might not happen anyway. We have a relative embarrassment of riches at this level so should be making the playoffs as a minimum abd if that happens then it will be a lot more of an entertaining season than this one. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 Just now, Pilchards said: One shit manager replacing another shit manager. I’m sorry but the more I research and read about our new incoming manager the more I’m puzzled what the board see in him. They just can’t stop making fucks ups!! It’s why I’ve said previously on this thread I’m not wowed buy it in any way, shape or form. If he’s hired I’ll back him. But for a club that a few weeks ago was screaming about how “we’ll continue to invest”, “we’re well off financially” etc - it stinks of another cheap appointment. And call my cynical, but the last two didn’t work. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I choose to be happy with this appointment and assume it will work out unless it proves not to be the case. We should probably be able to see after about ten games if it's worth sticking with or not (Jones it took even less.) The alternative is to gripe and moan about something we have no control over and which might not happen anyway. We have a relative embarrassment of riches at this level so should be making the playoffs as a minimum abd if that happens then it will be a lot more of an entertaining season than this one. Nah you’ve got it all wrong, you’re meant to write him off as sh*t before he’s even signed, so you can come back on here in 6 months and tell everyone you were bang on or so glad to be proven wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 14 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I choose to be happy with this appointment and assume it will work out unless it proves not to be the case. We should probably be able to see after about ten games if it's worth sticking with or not (Jones it took even less.) The alternative is to gripe and moan about something we have no control over and which might not happen anyway. We have a relative embarrassment of riches at this level so should be making the playoffs as a minimum abd if that happens then it will be a lot more of an entertaining season than this one. Spot on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 Just now, ErwinK1961 said: Nah you’ve got it all wrong, you’re meant to write him off as sh*t before he’s even signed, so you can come back on here in 6 months and tell everyone you were bang on or so glad to be proven wrong. Personally I'm fine with people saying its an underwhelming appointment or being initially unexcited. I don't see much point in saying he's shit until we can see what he will actually do with us though. I don't see the point in raging about a manager that we really don't know much about. From what I've seen at least he isn't a complete prick like Jones so that's a positive if nothing else! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 15 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: It’s why I’ve said previously on this thread I’m not wowed buy it in any way, shape or form. If he’s hired I’ll back him. But for a club that a few weeks ago was screaming about how “we’ll continue to invest”, “we’re well off financially” etc - it stinks of another cheap appointment. And call my cynical, but the last two didn’t work. Given its costing us a report 800k to buy him out, it's not really a cheap appointment is it. If we get the added bonus of being able to attract the best Swansea players with championship experience then it may well be worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 15 hours ago, obelisk said: There's a losing mentality at Saints currently. Unless that weak mentality gets turned around we'll just see more of the same. Selles couldn't do it because he was part of that loser thinking. Martin will have a job just getting Saints believing they can actually win games. He'll need our support in doing that. One of the reasons for the losing mentality was Semmens who had stated he had no ambition on several occasions, he has gone and rightly so. Hopefully the mentality from the top will now change, players must get the message from the CEO down that we ‘expect’ to win the league and anything less is below our beliefs and expectations given the player and club resources we have. If the message doesn’t come loud and clear from the top the Manager doesn’t stand a chance with motivating the team to win. I am afraid imo Semmens was a disaster for the club and this is why he was moved on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 48 minutes ago, captainchris said: One of the reasons for the losing mentality was Semmens who had stated he had no ambition on several occasions, he has gone and rightly so. Hopefully the mentality from the top will now change, players must get the message from the CEO down that we ‘expect’ to win the league and anything less is below our beliefs and expectations given the player and club resources we have. If the message doesn’t come loud and clear from the top the Manager doesn’t stand a chance with motivating the team to win. I am afraid imo Semmens was a disaster for the club and this is why he was moved on. Yep I completely agree. When the man at the top of the company says developing players is more important than league position, you should just be grateful to be in this league then it’s no wonder the output on the pitch reflects the tone sent by the leadership. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 1 hour ago, Dusic said: Perhaps if we had played in a consistently well-coached style we might have won more games. No coincidence that our best spells under Ralph were when you could pretty much name 10 of the 11 starters and the formation. Under Jones and Selles there has been no obvious plan. Good coaching and a clear gameplan will get the most out of a set of players and we have lacked that since Ralph lost confidence in his style. Good players can adapt to make a game plan work. Most coaches at this level know the game inside out, even better than fans maybe. Yes they make mistakes, but I would suggest that motivation is their key asset. Players are more important than tactics in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: That season was crap. So was this. Beating inter Milan, cup final, some really good away performances, semi final win at Anfield. Yeah, just like this season 😂… Bloody Entertainment Nods moaning about that, FFS…. Edited 28 May, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 23 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Beating inter Milan, cup final, some really good away performances, semi final win at Anfield. Yeah, just like this season 😂… Bloody Entertainment Nods moaning about that, FFS…. Incredible isn’t it. This season has been as shit as that one the one where we beat inter Milan got to a cup final, beat Liverpool home and away yeah they season was as shit as this one 🤣🤣🤣🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 4 hours ago, hypochondriac said: I choose to be happy with this appointment and assume it will work out unless it proves not to be the case. We should probably be able to see after about ten games if it's worth sticking with or not (Jones it took even less.) The alternative is to gripe and moan about something we have no control over and which might not happen anyway. We have a relative embarrassment of riches at this level so should be making the playoffs as a minimum abd if that happens then it will be a lot more of an entertaining season than this one. Spot on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southner Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 Need Roy Kent, innit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 33 minutes ago, Turkish said: Incredible isn’t it. This season has been as shit as that one the one where we beat inter Milan got to a cup final, beat Liverpool home and away yeah they season was as shit as this one 🤣🤣🤣🤣 And this season we comfortably beat Man City at home and did the double over Chelsea and held Arsenal to a draw twice. Yet it’s been a shit season. They were both shit. But in different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Beating inter Milan, cup final, some really good away performances, semi final win at Anfield. Yeah, just like this season 😂… Bloody Entertainment Nods moaning about that, FFS…. They are a complete irrelevance for the home supporters. You know, the ones whose money actually goes towards our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said: They are a complete irrelevance for the home supporters. You know, the ones whose money actually goes towards our club. You do know half of our game every season are away so they are just as relevant as the home ones. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 9 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: And this season we comfortably beat Man City at home and did the double over Chelsea and held Arsenal to a draw twice. Yet it’s been a shit season. They were both shit. But in different ways. No comparison. This season has been absolute shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 1 hour ago, Turkish said: You do know half of our game every season are away so they are just as relevant as the home ones. You do know that the club makes no money out of away games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: No comparison. This season has been absolute shit. Yeah, there's shit and there's absolute shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 9 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Yeah, there's shit and there's absolute shit. What about absolute fucking shit? Infact let’s go back two years that we have been truly shocking. I think coming out of lockdown certainly hit the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 On 26/05/2023 at 23:04, OttawaSaint said: I don't really care. I'm sure we'll all enjoy the walking pace football and calamitous mistakes. Such a refreshing change! You realise that mistakes aren't trained - mistakes are actually not something under a managers control, other than picking players that are more or less inclined to those mistakes. 4th top scorers in the League last year - that sounds pretty good doesn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 14 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: You realise that mistakes aren't trained The amount we make, I suspect they probably are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: They are a complete irrelevance for the home supporters. You know, the ones whose money actually goes towards our club. Most fans that go away also go to the home games. 46 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: You do know that the club makes no money out of away games? Maybe not in terms of match day income, but the points won contribute to the prize money and they get the TV money from the away games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 Is he there today? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 4 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: You do know that the club makes no money out of away games? If you just care about money give the club a donation every season and don’t bother going 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 Anything less than Russell Martin Starting Tella Adams and Sulemana next season then I won't be happy. If SaintRob needs it then I suggest the club take note as I for one trust his judgement! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 11 minutes ago, Paul Chuckle said: Anything less than Russell Martin Starting Tella Adams and Sulemana next season then I won't be happy. If SaintRob needs it then I suggest the club take note as I for one trust his judgement! Is Tella staying ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 May, 2023 Share Posted 28 May, 2023 20 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Is Tella staying ? unless someone buys him, yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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