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Saint Gifford

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Chuck all our money on Jose, according to Talk Shite today he is looking for a Prem club at the bottom he can work his magic on for 2 years. 

Like that would ever happen. 

But watching the game tonight, how did Leicester do what they did against us. Forget 10 men that should make us stronger.

Forrest ?????? Yes Wood perhaps but really can we not go and find someone. 

Academy, are we wrapping them up in cotton wool, surely it cannot be worse if we chuck a real superstar in and see what happens. If we have one.

Yes I have had experience of academies, not Saints. 

It’s irrelevant at the moment who the manager or coaching staff is at the level we appear to be looking at. 

Jose does like to play up, call his bluff and say go on then. But seriously I’d like someone that has a plan A B and C, DURING the game. 
 

***Talk Shite did play what appears to be Jose after last nights game. 
 

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Farmer Saint

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43 minutes ago, Saint Gifford said:

Chuck all our money on Jose, according to Talk Shite today he is looking for a Prem club at the bottom he can work his magic on for 2 years. 

Like that would ever happen. 

But watching the game tonight, how did Leicester do what they did against us. Forget 10 men that should make us stronger.

Forrest ?????? Yes Wood perhaps but really can we not go and find someone. 

Academy, are we wrapping them up in cotton wool, surely it cannot be worse if we chuck a real superstar in and see what happens. If we have one.

Yes I have had experience of academies, not Saints. 

It’s irrelevant at the moment who the manager or coaching staff is at the level we appear to be looking at. 

Jose does like to play up, call his bluff and say go on then. But seriously I’d like someone that has a plan A B and C, DURING the game. 
 

***Talk Shite did play what appears to be Jose after last nights game. 
 

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Not for two years, in two years.

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I watched Leicester v Notts Forest. Martin has been giving it large about his process etc but for me he's just a busted flush making noise. I wanted to see what Forest would do that we failed to do. True to form kept Wood up on the centre backs, so much so he scored from a big punt from the goalkeeper that bouncing caused Faes under pressure to try and head back to the keeper in No man's land and Wood nodded over him for the third goal. Neither side tried intricate passing but varied their passing as the opportunities appeared. Forest unlike us pressed hard and in numbers. Significantly Fatawu started and Forest pressed him tightly except for the odd time and he was unable to get in behind as he did to us last Saturday. Finally at corners Forest had players covering the edge of the penalty area so Winks had to knock the ball into the goal area.

The reason we have goals is to decide the match, not a countback of meaningless passing fifty yards away from goal. All the teams in the Premier League except us seem to get this. High tempo, team pressing, varied passing and tight marking all do it in slightly different ways. The multipassing league champions press hard when losing the ball, transition at lightning pace and rapidly rotate the ball to look for openings around the opponents packed penalty area. However they have spent mega millions on the very best to suit Pep. With a bit of luck we'll get a demonstration of the difference that will show up our poundland version for what it is. Looking ahead I'm guessing something like 75% City possession and us penned in for long periods desperately trying to keep them out. If it's us with 75% and pulling City around I surrender.

I think Martin is deluded and unable to admit his method is only suited to better players playing in an inferior league but a dead loss with average players in a top league. We have to give that up now before it's too late and change to a high tempo press and break style or get rid of him.

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1 hour ago, derry said:

I watched Leicester v Notts Forest. Martin has been giving it large about his process etc but for me he's just a busted flush making noise. I wanted to see what Forest would do that we failed to do. True to form kept Wood up on the centre backs, so much so he scored from a big punt from the goalkeeper that bouncing caused Faes under pressure to try and head back to the keeper in No man's land and Wood nodded over him for the third goal. Neither side tried intricate passing but varied their passing as the opportunities appeared. Forest unlike us pressed hard and in numbers. Significantly Fatawu started and Forest pressed him tightly except for the odd time and he was unable to get in behind as he did to us last Saturday. Finally at corners Forest had players covering the edge of the penalty area so Winks had to knock the ball into the goal area.

The reason we have goals is to decide the match, not a countback of meaningless passing fifty yards away from goal. All the teams in the Premier League except us seem to get this. High tempo, team pressing, varied passing and tight marking all do it in slightly different ways. The multipassing league champions press hard when losing the ball, transition at lightning pace and rapidly rotate the ball to look for openings around the opponents packed penalty area. However they have spent mega millions on the very best to suit Pep. With a bit of luck we'll get a demonstration of the difference that will show up our poundland version for what it is. Looking ahead I'm guessing something like 75% City possession and us penned in for long periods desperately trying to keep them out. If it's us with 75% and pulling City around I surrender.

I think Martin is deluded and unable to admit his method is only suited to better players playing in an inferior league but a dead loss with average players in a top league. We have to give that up now before it's too late and change to a high tempo press and break style or get rid of him.

Excellent post.

It highlights Forest's adaptability, our lack of it, and how our opponents take advantage of it.

RM's outcomes are self fulfilling. We don't play with a physical forward. So we can't stretch play, put their defence under immediate pressure, have someone better suited to Ramsdale's clearances, and hold it to bring others into play.

That impacts our press, the tempo we can get it forward, and our shape. The club wanted shot of TP in the summer so, unless they thought Stewart would come good and jump up 2 divisions, we would have no one capable of any of that at the club.

We like tucking our full backs in, allowing teams to exploit the flanks. Teams are Forest didn't allow that while top players are finding different ways to punish us.

We do things differently at set pieces. Forest stopped Leicester exploiting any of those. We lose points as teams plan for our set up.

RM looks for possession, moving sides and quick exploits and high tempo bursts then reset and control. Except we look like a team desperate to pick up scraps and no idea of what to do when sides don't play exactly how we need them to.

There's not much of that lightning transition and momentum we see from the likes of City.

Sadly, when games are a bit more open, we can't manage the game. A lot of that is because we're wedded to that one approach. So, we're not great at chasing games or switching it up to defend more.

Martin's approach would struggle with better players in the same way it does with us. We had a number of chances where it was our individual talent, making the most of where they were, rather than the system last season. Martin would be relying on that with better players too.

That's not to slate RM entirely. There were games last season, where we took teams apart. But it didn't all click too often, and we're miles off that at present.

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Not a single player picking up the 3 city players on the edge of our box from their free kick. 
 

Has he not learned a single thing from throwing away those points against Ipswich and Leicester? He has to go for that ridiculous naivety if nothing else. Absolute clown. 

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It's clear with our owners that Martin is here for the season whatever the results.... And no obviously I didn't expect to beat city today but its still one point in 27! How can they justify that? And saying we were better defensively today (which we were apart from their goal) and avoided a hammering is just papering over the cracks 

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6 hours ago, derry said:

I watched Leicester v Notts Forest. Martin has been giving it large about his process etc but for me he's just a busted flush making noise. I wanted to see what Forest would do that we failed to do. True to form kept Wood up on the centre backs, so much so he scored from a big punt from the goalkeeper that bouncing caused Faes under pressure to try and head back to the keeper in No man's land and Wood nodded over him for the third goal. Neither side tried intricate passing but varied their passing as the opportunities appeared. Forest unlike us pressed hard and in numbers. Significantly Fatawu started and Forest pressed him tightly except for the odd time and he was unable to get in behind as he did to us last Saturday. Finally at corners Forest had players covering the edge of the penalty area so Winks had to knock the ball into the goal area.

The reason we have goals is to decide the match, not a countback of meaningless passing fifty yards away from goal. All the teams in the Premier League except us seem to get this. High tempo, team pressing, varied passing and tight marking all do it in slightly different ways. The multipassing league champions press hard when losing the ball, transition at lightning pace and rapidly rotate the ball to look for openings around the opponents packed penalty area. However they have spent mega millions on the very best to suit Pep. With a bit of luck we'll get a demonstration of the difference that will show up our poundland version for what it is. Looking ahead I'm guessing something like 75% City possession and us penned in for long periods desperately trying to keep them out. If it's us with 75% and pulling City around I surrender.

I think Martin is deluded and unable to admit his method is only suited to better players playing in an inferior league but a dead loss with average players in a top league. We have to give that up now before it's too late and change to a high tempo press and break style or get rid of him.

In all seriousness, Forest are 5th in the league with a much better squad than us 😅. Its hardly a fair comparison is it. Reality is that we should have beaten Leicester, and certainly should have been 3-1 up and out of sight without the appalling officiating. You're hardly making a strong case here.

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Just now, Saint86 said:

In all seriousness, Forest are 5th in the league with a much better squad than us 😅. Its hardly a fair comparison is it. Reality is that we should have beaten Leicester, and certainly should have been 3-1 up and out of sight without the appalling officiating. You're hardly making a strong case here.

I think you missed the point, it's more examples of what they did but we didn't which lead to all three Leicester goals. If we had we would have probably won with that two goal lead. The same with the Ipswich corner. That's five points aquandered.

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From BBC Solent interview:

AB: “maybe a week when you can start the week without headlines about you keeping your job.” 
RM: “I don’t know, we got beat so…with people who lack understanding or knowledge of the club and what we’re trying to do or build…then I’m sure they will l come out and enjoy themselves but I don’t focus on it.”

Why does RM have to sound so arrogant and dismissive of anyone who dares criticise him? No wins and 1 point from 27 pal. What is it you’re building that we mere mortals cannot fathom?? 

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14 minutes ago, disconnect said:

Rest of the premier league is praying that Pep has learnt that losing every game is fine and the ultimate aim of football is just possession and “the (mysterious) plan”

You are one of the naysayers who are not understanding what RM is trying to do or build with Saints. You’ll be burnt at the stake as a witch for not believing in the system or process. The bravery and courage….

RM speaks such guff. Worryingly I think he believes what he says too. Total fraud and off with the fairies if he thinks his take on football is going to work. It isn’t and won’t in the top flight with a bottom four side. Totally deluded man. 

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Sadly, he’s a tactical eunuch who values possession far more than penetration. City’s goal today came when we had possession and control in their end but needlessly decided to play it back. We nearly conceded another in the second half when Fernandes - from the LB position FFS - tried to play a square pass across our own box. WTF is one of our most skilful and creative midfielders even doing there? City were vulnerable to a fast counter on many occasions today but it needed what Martin views as a mortal sin - an early out-ball to a wide area.

His tactics are neutering some good players, and we will only start to see our true potential when he’s nowhere near the squad. The misplaced arrogance is astounding.

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1 hour ago, InvictaSaint said:

 

From BBC Solent interview:

AB: “maybe a week when you can start the week without headlines about you keeping your job.” 
RM: “I don’t know, we got beat so…with people who lack understanding or knowledge of the club and what we’re trying to do or build…then I’m sure they will l come out and enjoy themselves but I don’t focus on it.”

Why does RM have to sound so arrogant and dismissive of anyone who dares criticise him? No wins and 1 point from 27 pal. What is it you’re building that we mere mortals cannot fathom?? 

It’s stuff like this that makes detest our manager and our owners. How about they come out and tell us exactly what it is that we’re trying to do or build, because at the moment the only thing it looks like we’re doing is trying to become is the first ever Premier League team to finish the season with a single digit points total.

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21 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

And quite a few on this forum were predicting this is exactly what Pep would say!

Don't listen SR. Russell Martin should not be managing our team

If Pep said "I don't like his haircut" would we be joining the bald headed managers revolution?

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18 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

I don't think there's been a saints manager I've detested more than him

I really can’t get my head around this kind of attitude some of our fans have towards Martin. If you think he’s out of his depth and want him sacked, fine, but to actively detest him based on sound bites in response to leading journalist questions seems way out of proportion.

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12 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

How did you feel about him on 26th May?

 

I was praising him for having slightly altering his set up to take us to promotion.

I was delighted that he had shown some adaptability.

The arrogant prick instead has taken our promotion success as an opportunity to double down on his original flawed ideas.

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2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I really can’t get my head around this kind of attitude some of our fans have towards Martin. If you think he’s out of his depth and want him sacked, fine, but to actively detest him based on sound bites in response to leading journalist questions seems way out of proportion.

It's my opinion and to me he come across as a real smug arrogant prick and that's nothing to do with his obvious managerial deficiencies

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21 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

How did you feel about him on 26th 

It was great day and amazing that my/our club got promoted, didn't make me like him anymore than I do now, I'm sorry it doesn't fit in with the certain fan boys around here but he is a bang average manager with ideals that don't work 

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3 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

How did you feel about him on 26th May?

 

Exactly. I’m genuinely surprised by the amount of hate on here. 
Wembley last season was probably my happiest Saints moment. Having taken my boys to two Wembley defeats, it made it even more special and the scenes at the end will stay with us forever. 
RM was responsible for that. Ok, it wasn’t a perfect season, but he brought a unity to the team we’d been sorely missing and both players and (most) fans were enjoying football again. So for me, he will always be remembered fondly for that alone. 
This season’s obviously been a disaster and of course that’s on him. It’s not working and like most, I thought it was unfortunately time to part ways after the Leicester game. I hope we turn it around but I can’t see it and therefore expect he’ll go in the next few weeks. But I hope when he does, he gets some credit and thanks for some rare Saints joy. 
 

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Farmer Saint

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47 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I really can’t get my head around this kind of attitude some of our fans have towards Martin. If you think he’s out of his depth and want him sacked, fine, but to actively detest him based on sound bites in response to leading journalist questions seems way out of proportion.

It's fucking weird - I think he comes across as a good bloke - he seems to care about his players and by all accounts players seem to absolutely love him. Considering they are the people that tend to spend the most time with him, I'm inclined to think they're correct.

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37 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

It was great day and amazing that my/our club got promoted, didn't make me like him anymore than I do now, I'm sorry it doesn't fit in with the certain fan boys around here but he is a bang average manager with ideals that don't work 

It's not the averageness - there are loads of average managers around that I would assume you don't hate, so why do you hate him so much? 

Hate is a very extreme reaction to someone you don't actually know - you're creating a lot of assumptions on his day to day behaviour to have those sorts of feelings.

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59 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I really can’t get my head around this kind of attitude some of our fans have towards Martin. If you think he’s out of his depth and want him sacked, fine, but to actively detest him based on sound bites in response to leading journalist questions seems way out of proportion.

It runs deeper than that. The man defintely has attitude which rankles with many even though they don't know him or have never met him, think Trump, think Johnson, think Farage.

By the same measure very few took a dislike to Ralph evn when things were going badly.

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2 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

It runs deeper than that. The man defintely has attitude which rankles with many even though they don't know him or have never met him, think Trump, think Johnson, think Farage.

I think if people class him alongside them, then it's the fans who have a problem rather than Martin.

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