Russell Martin

[CB Fry]

What I worry about is the sheer scale of Scar Tissue that Russell Martin has inflicted on this team that the next manager has to sort out.

[Lord Duckhunter]

11 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

It was shocking. Archer, Ramsdale and Fernandes look reasonably okay. They wouldn't get a game for anyone in the top half but they're alright enough for us. The rest though...

• Wood - Crap Championship defender
• Edwards - Decent League 1 defender (you can split hairs between those two if you want)
• Suga - Looks okay in patches but some horrendous errors too.
• Big Les - Done nothing do far.
• BBD - Absolute donkey
• Lallana - Apparently a great bloke to have in the dressing room and a calm/experienced head to have on the training pitch. As with Walcott two years ago, thank f**k he's here because without him the team would be really sh*t and clueless... oh right.
• Fraser - He was a good option in the Championship but at this level... well he was cheap, that's as good as I can say.
• Cornet - What was the f**king point
• Taylor - A free transfer from Burnley.  Doesn't seem to be favoured above Manning right now.

Wood- Played for Martin before, coincidence or a manager signing? 

Big Les- The more he plays RussBall the worse he looks.

Suga- Good addition

Fraser- Legos room mate, coincidence? 

Taylor- Manning favoured above him 😂😂, by who? 

Lallana- Classiest player by a mile, nothing like Walcott singling at all.

 

Give it up, the blokes out of his depth, with a worse record than Jones. 
 

 

 

[disconnect]

Why has he not been sacked? Throwing players under the bus, when he has already shown he has (quite limited) favourites is only going to make things worse and it won’t be long until half the squad hates him (along with 90% of the fanbase). Get rid ASAP

[Mr X]

Sports republic/rasmus or whoever gets the final say on managerial appointments has to take their share of the blame.

Selles and Jones = beyond crazy 

Martin = average at best championship manager who had the best/one of the best teams at his disposal and only just scrapped playoffs through a scrappy one nil win.

Totally found out in the premier league as sticks to a rigid system that doesn't suit his players, is totally tactically naive he can't react to things that happen during the game and always resorts to bringing on his favourites.... Even if they haven't played for months! 

Getting to two.nil yesterday was a result of the players ignoring Russ ball and getting the ball forwards quicker, it's some sign that two nil isn't enough when yo.u coach a defence as badly as Martin

The worrying thing from this shit show is I don't think they will get rid of Martin... Plus I don't think anyone decent will want certain relegation on their CV 

[Harry_SFC]

10 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Wood- Played for Martin before, coincidence or a manager signing? 

Big Les- The more he plays RussBall the worse he looks.

Suga- Good addition

Fraser- Legos room mate, coincidence? 

Taylor- Manning favoured above him 😂😂, by who? 

Lallana- Classiest player by a mile, nothing like Walcott singling at all.

 

Give it up, the blokes out of his depth, with a worse record than Jones. 
 

 

 

For us, Sugawara, Lallana and Taylor are decent signings. 

Big Les could become a very good player but doesn't look ready. Which won't help us much this season. 

Edwards certainly has potential but Wood is a load of shite.

On paper Cornet is a good signing but hasn't had many chances yet.

BBD is total rubbish.

So the recruitment has been hit and miss I think. I feel if RM was good enough at this level he would be doing better with what he has available. 

[East Kent Saint]

The universal opinion in the papers , Motd , BBC sports website , Saintsweb etc is RM has to change style to get Saints winning but he says he won’t so Saints will not start winning imo as well , who would employ him now ? 
Nothing will change until he goes .

[Miltonaggro]

4 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

The universal opinion in the papers , Motd , BBC sports website , Saintsweb etc is RM has to change style to get Saints winning but he says he won’t so Saints will not start winning imo as well , who would employ him now ? 
Nothing will change until he goes .

When he is sacked it will be telling when and where he gets picked back up. Anticipate a similar situation with Martin as Jones. Start back in league 1 with three million in the bank, maybe MK Dons fancy a reunion. 

[Morse]

Does anyone really trust SR to get a new managerial appointment right even if they do sack RM? Bevcause their track record of managerial appointments is beyond bad, and their pool to choose from gets smaller with every defeat. 

[Fabrice29]

9 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

The universal opinion in the papers , Motd , BBC sports website , Saintsweb etc is RM has to change style to get Saints winning but he says he won’t so Saints will not start winning imo as well , who would employ him now ? 
Nothing will change until he goes .

What’s the papers, MOTD, the bbc sport website or Saintsweb record at this level like out of interest? 

[Farmer Saint]

59 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

What I worry about is the sheer scale of Scar Tissue that Russell Martin has inflicted on this team that the next manager has to sort out.

As opposed to Hassenhuttl, Jones and Selles? Martin sorted it out and he's a shit manager by all accounts.

[S-Clarke]

He cannot coach a team to defend, full stop. We gave teams so many chances last season, so many last min rescue acts after we let utterly woeful teams back in with a shout.

Having the same approach at this level, with this entirely zoomed in focus on posession football, is going to lead to the inevitable. It's very naive, maybe a little too loyal to those players around him and he's wearing rose tined glasses.

We don't have good enough players to do what we are doing at this level, full stop. As much as he wants to play this way, the success of this style boils down to the players he has available to him. Exactly the same as Pep. All these new wannabe Pep's dotted around the leagues are doing my head in, trying to replicate the same with vastly inferior players just for their own ego.

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

As opposed to Hassenhuttl, Jones and Selles? Martin sorted it out and he's a shit manager by all accounts.

I cannot wait to see how the next manager handles the scar tissue left over from a Martin team...!

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

Indeed. The unbeaten run was great and fair play to them. But the reality is that we drew way too many games that we should have won. 

We drew because we were concentrating on the style™️ instead of scoring goals.

[aintforever]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I cannot wait to see how the next manager handles the scar tissue left over from a Martin team...!

To be fair he took over a Championship side and will leave them in the Premier League (just).

[saintant]

11 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

What’s the papers, MOTD, the bbc sport website or Saintsweb record at this level like out of interest? 

Pretty good as a rule. 

[Chewy]

14 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

What’s the papers, MOTD, the bbc sport website or Saintsweb record at this level like out of interest? 

Compared to Sport Republics? F*cking fantastic to be fair

Edited October 20 by Chewy
Typo

[Mr X]

17 minutes ago, Morse said:

Does anyone really trust SR to get a new managerial appointment right even if they do sack RM? Bevcause their track record of managerial appointments is beyond bad, and their pool to choose from gets smaller with every defeat. 

We must be the least appealing club in the country to come to for a manager anyone that comes in simply has to hit the ground running and will be under pressure straight away, could anyone turn this around? Possibly...... as a couple of wins gets us safe at the moment

 I don't think there's any reason not to sack Martin immediately....  I don't see that we'd do any worse temporarily under lallana and another member of the coaching team 

Edited October 20 by Mr X

[Saint Gifford]

7 minutes ago, Morse said:

Does anyone really trust SR to get a new managerial appointment right even if they do sack RM? Bevcause their track record of managerial appointments is beyond bad, and their pool to choose from gets smaller with every defeat. 

Correct. I am struggling to think of a realistic alternative. Not the talk of Potter ect, just a genuine replacement.

 I’m guessing it would be someone that Dragan would have more of a say in.

So are we going experienced unknown European. Probably now our best bet. 

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I am not re writing it. We did not make any ground on the top 2 spots when the unbeaten run came to an end.

 

Indeed. The unbeaten run was a bit of a fig leaf, and contained within it were many dodgy performances - Huddersfield first half immediately springs to mind.

During that fabled run Leeds gained the same number of points as us from the same number of games, and Leicester got 1 more point than Saints.

3 wins and 2 draws gets less points than 4 wins and a defeat.

[S-Clarke]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I am not re writing it. We did not make any ground on the top 2 spots when the unbeaten run came to an end.

 

Yeah, I'm with you on that. The unbeaten run was ultimately absolutley pointless, because we had too many draws littered in it. If we didn't have that unbeaten run we'd have still finished in the playoffs.

We were a playoff team, full stop. I think we should have done better with the level of player we had and I still struggle to think too fondly of last season, I found it a proper slog most weeks.

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Yeah, I'm with you on that. The unbeaten run was ultimately absolutley pointless, because we had too many draws littered in it. If we didn't have that unbeaten run we'd have still finished in the playoffs.

We were a playoff team, full stop. I think we should have done better with the level of player we had and I still struggle to think too fondly of last season, I found it a proper slog most weeks.

We had a distant 3rd best team, we just got done by the fact that Ipswich's Manager seems to be good (although they're looking pretty shit this season as well).

Either way, we finished 4th and won the playoffs against the best team in the Championship player-wise.

Edited October 20 by Farmer Saint

[ally_uk]

It's not just the manager!

Standards have dropped across the board.

Rasmus consistently making poor decisions. 

Scouting network and recruitment being utterly abysmal in recent times.... 

Our players look unfit..

Need: 

A experienced manager to stabilise the club who can actually set a team up properly. 

Might be controversial to some but I'd get Moyes. No nonsense approach instill a bit of heart and passion. 

Director of football someone above the manager who actually has knowledge of football.....

Invest more in the scouting network who is our current head scout? Sack them off 

Or we can keep Martin and hope it pans out well end up in the Championship and then what aim for promotion and repeat the same process ? 🤣🤣🤣

Definition of insanity 

 

 

 

[Football Special]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

What I worry about is the sheer scale of Scar Tissue that Russell Martin has inflicted on this team that the next manager has to sort out.

So deep it's going to take a long time to recover from 

[CB Fry]

26 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

As opposed to Hassenhuttl, Jones and Selles? Martin sorted it out and he's a shit manager by all accounts.

Jesus wept.

[tdmickey3]

From listening to all the garbage he spoke in the interview for this latest utter shambolic attempt at management, the most telling  comment from mr deluded ego was “ we will carry on with the process “

What an absolute cretin.

The process is going to see us humiliated over and over, even by the lesser teams but next week is going to be an absolute mauling, worse than anything ever seen in the PL.

SACK HIM FFS

We will likely still go down with another manager but it wouldn’t be with repeated weekly embarrassments

[beatlesaint]

1 minute ago, tdmickey3 said:

From listening to all the garbage he spoke in the interview for this latest utter shambolic attempt at management, the most telling  comment from mr deluded ego was “ we will carry on with the process “

What an absolute cretin.

The process is going to see us humiliated over and over, even by the lesser teams but next week is going to be an absolute mauling, worse than anything ever seen in the PL.

SACK HIM FFS

We will likely still go down with another manager but it wouldn’t be with repeated weekly embarrassments

He has to say "we will carry on with the process" because he has nothing else, this is it, he's a one trick pony.

[beatlesaint]

1 hour ago, disconnect said:

Throwing players under the bus, when he has already shown he has (quite limited) favourites is only going to make things worse and it won’t be long until half the squad hates him (along with 90% of the fanbase). Get rid ASAP

This might actually prove to be his undoing. Players talk, they will have sussed out long ago who the favourites are, they will hear what he says when he casually throws someone under the bus but then denies he would ever do that cos he protects his players virtually in the same breath. The cracks are getting bigger and bigger, that verbal attack on Alfie House the other week when he asked a simple question was a bloody disgrace, if he'd looked up and asked him "why cant any of your teams actually defend" then fair enough, but he didnt. 

Team selections are more and more the signs of a man flapping his arms around trying not to drown. How the hell Sulemana comes in and gets on the pitch defies bellief. He was shite ion the Championship, and when was the last time he played ffs? Same with Manning, now Smallbone, Aribo was dropped like a stone and now he's back in the groovy gang. Taylor deserved his chance at the expense of KWP a month ago, now he cant get on as a left back ahead of Ryan Frazer !!!!! And then next week, who's first name back on the team sheet? Oh yeah, Capt Jack ! Its all a complete shitshow and he's orchestrating it.

 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I'd really like to know who was making the footballing decisions in the post Wembley summer because whoever it was should hang his head. Most of the recruitment was below average and based on emotion and hope. Without a D of F I would also like to know was Martin given a freer hand? The euphoria and feel good following the 1-0 win over Leeds has been utterly wasted and in 6 months we are going to be relegated with a bigger hangover than 2023. It's inept management all round.

I don't think RM s going to get the sack anytime soon. The Board know they are in the firing frame if yet another manager on a long term contract is dispensed with and I think they will hunker down while the club slowly implodes.

[Harry_SFC]

It's pretty sad that we were as good as relegated after 15 games or so two years ago and it's going to be exactly the same this season. There's just very little enjoyment in it. Not just because of what the Prem has become but just how badly managed we've been, on and off the pitch. 

Edited October 20 by Harry_SFC

[Galway saint]

In our last 6 games in the PL we have conceded 3 goals in 5 of those. We are clearly not good enough to stay up and have not won a game in the PL for 21 matches but I think the club need to acknowledge that if they stick with RM there’s every reason to think we will be setting new records for the worst Pl season. I think it would be a legitimate question to ask RM if he believes we can actually win a game this season in the PL and if so why when we are conceding on average more than two goals a game and scoring less than a goal a game. 

[Midfield_General]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

As opposed to Hassenhuttl, Jones and Selles? Martin sorted it out and he's a shit manager by all accounts.

Thought-provoking opinions there from the ‘fan’ who reacts to us conceding a devastating 97th minute winner by gleefully posting the betting slip that shows he celebrated it.

Great supporter mate. Really, really great supporter. One of the best. Bet you’re still basking in it today, must have  made your whole weekend. 

Fair enough if you enjoy it when we lose, that’s up to you, but don’t then go around lecturing the actual fans. 

[Fabrice29]

30 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

This might actually prove to be his undoing. Players talk, they will have sussed out long ago who the favourites are, they will hear what he says when he casually throws someone under the bus but then denies he would ever do that cos he protects his players virtually in the same breath.

 

Which players has he thrown under the bus and which one are his favourites? Because all I see is a quote saying someone didn't do their job and no names mentioned and if I was a player I'd probably equally as annoyed by said player not doing their job. Also, he's changed the team every week and maybe only Downes and Bednarek have started every game this season? I'd argue he needs to get back to having some favourites and stop flapping around for a magic formula.

21 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I'd really like to know who was making the footballing decisions in the post Wembley summer because whoever it was should hang his head. Most of the recruitment was below average and based on emotion and hope. Without a D of F I would also like to know was Martin given a freer hand? The euphoria and feel good following the 1-0 win over Leeds has been utterly wasted and in 6 months we are going to be relegated with a bigger hangover than 2023. It's inept management all round.

I don't think RM s going to get the sack anytime soon. The Board know they are in the firing frame if yet another manager on a long term contract is dispensed with and I think they will hunker down while the club slowly implodes.

Orrrr maybe they realise that the last time they sacked a manager after 8 games in the PL it didn't help.

[S-Clarke]

Quote

 

RM: Yeah, we should have been and we should have scored after half-time as well and we don't kill the game often in the Premier League.

I think it's a big problem.

 

No, the big problem is that we cannot win games when we're 2-0 up on an hour. It's not about 'killing the game' at 2-0 up, it's about managing what you have. 

The big problem is that you cannot coach a team to defend Martin.

Edited October 20 by S-Clarke

[Fitzhugh Fella]

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Which players has he thrown under the bus and which one are his favourites? Because all I see is a quote saying someone didn't do their job and no names mentioned and if I was a player I'd probably equally as annoyed by said player not doing their job. Also, he's changed the team every week and maybe only Downes and Bednarek have started every game this season? I'd argue he needs to get back to having some favourites and stop flapping around for a magic formula.

Orrrr maybe they realise that the last time they sacked a manager after 8 games in the PL it didn't help.

Sacking a manager is one thing. Picking the right replacement is another.

[Harry_SFC]

8 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Which players has he thrown under the bus and which one are his favourites? Because all I see is a quote saying someone didn't do their job and no names mentioned and if I was a player I'd probably equally as annoyed by said player not doing their job. Also, he's changed the team every week and maybe only Downes and Bednarek have started every game this season? I'd argue he needs to get back to having some favourites and stop flapping around for a magic formula.

Orrrr maybe they realise that the last time they sacked a manager after 8 games in the PL it didn't help.

Tbf we made a better start under Ralph than we have this season. In fact a much better start. It really would be near on impossible not to improve us this season. 

[coalman]

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Which players has he thrown under the bus and which one are his favourites? Because all I see is a quote saying someone didn't do their job and no names mentioned and if I was a player I'd probably equally as annoyed by said player not doing their job. Also, he's changed the team every week and maybe only Downes and Bednarek have started every game this season? I'd argue he needs to get back to having some favourites and stop flapping around for a magic formula.

Orrrr maybe they realise that the last time they sacked a manager after 8 games in the PL it didn't help.

Agree that there's been no stability in team selections. Our recruitment over the summer was scattergun.

The question I'd ask is what lessons we've learned and how are we going to apply them to the Premier League. Right now the answer seems to be continue doing more of the same. So, on the basis that Martin seems to have no intention to change his approach it's not unreasonable to expect things to continue as they are.

The same logic can be applied to Ankersen and selecting a manager to replace Martin. I don't see any lessons being learned from the Jones, Selles or Martin appointments. So again we can expect a similar future even if we do bite the bullet. Sacking Martin without addressing the Ankersen issue isn't going to solve any problems. 

[Farmer Saint]

20 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Thought-provoking opinions there from the ‘fan’ who reacts to us conceding a devastating 97th minute winner by gleefully posting the betting slip that shows he celebrated it.

Great supporter mate. Really, really great supporter. One of the best. Bet you’re still basking in it today, must have  made your whole weekend. 

Fair enough if you enjoy it when we lose, that’s up to you, but don’t then go around lecturing the actual fans. 

Wow, you've really taken offence to that haven't you? How about you do you, and I'll do me, and you wind your fucking neck in pal?

[Billy the Kidd]

13 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I fully agree, it's almost as if the manager has an entire squad of sh*te options to try and forge a team from.

Well this moron Martin signed these players. If he didn't want them he could have told them no.

He is culpable. I seriously don't believe someone else comes in and gets 1 Point from 8 games...

 

[Fabrice29]

21 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

Sacking a manager is one thing. Picking the right replacement is another.

 

15 minutes ago, coalman said:

Agree that there's been no stability in team selections. Our recruitment over the summer was scattergun.

The question I'd ask is what lessons we've learned and how are we going to apply them to the Premier League. Right now the answer seems to be continue doing more of the same. So, on the basis that Martin seems to have no intention to change his approach it's not unreasonable to expect things to continue as they are.

The same logic can be applied to Ankersen and selecting a manager to replace Martin. I don't see any lessons being learned from the Jones, Selles or Martin appointments. So again we can expect a similar future even if we do bite the bullet. Sacking Martin without addressing the Ankersen issue isn't going to solve any problems. 

Always worth remembering that Ankerson and Sport Republic both would have signed off on the last managerial appointment which delivered the seasons minimum objective of promotion. I know it's unfashionable to point that out but it's true. 

Anyway, it's a pointless discussion because he's not getting sacked and as evidenced by the last time we were in this league, changing managers every time we don't win a few games is no guarantee of success and will only really attract people desperate for an opportunity. If you crave short term success, thats all you'll get at best but this odd little online world seems to thrive on that I suppose.

Edited October 20 by Fabrice29

[Lord Duckhunter]

Just now, Billy the Kidd said:

He is culpable. I seriously don't believe someone else comes in and gets 1 Point from 8 games...

The worse thing is the fixtures weren’t that tough. 
 

Both promoted sides at home, Forest, Boscombe, Brentford, Newcastle with 10 for an hour, even Man Utd are a shadow of what they were and probably the weakest of the big clubs this season. Arsenal away is probably the only nailed on defeat (considering the Newcastle game situation). Absolutely fucking woeful tally from those games and it’s only going to get tougher. 
 

 

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Anyway, it's a pointless discussion because he's not getting sacked

Source?

[Suhari]

Has he gone yet?

It's all been said by now. We've got a very weak PL squad, a manager who cannot set up a defence, plays high-risk low-reward football, won't change his approach, and is unable to have a positive influence 'in game'. Plus owners who have spent £££, but try to be too damn clever.

I don't think is a given that we're down: yet. The right manager could pull off something special.

Just get him out and let's refresh 

[Midfield_General]

20 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Wow, you've really taken offence to that haven't you? How about you do you, and I'll do me, and you wind your fucking neck in pal?

[Lord Duckhunter]

7 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

 

Anyway, it's a pointless discussion because he's not getting sacked and as evidenced by the last time we were in this league, changing managers every time we don't win a few games is no guarantee of success 

What a load of old pony.

Ralph wasn’t sacked after a “few games”, there was a decline in performances from the previous season & he should of probably gone in the summer. Jones’ position was untenable and had to be sacked. We didn’t change Selles when we didn’t win a few games. 
 

You don’t keep someone clearly out of their depth because you sacked  previous managers  and still went down, anymore than you’d keep playing BBD because you binned off Oršić and still went down. 

[Fabrice29]

Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

Source?

Himself? The vibe at the ground yesterday when he was clapped down the tunnel by the Itchen? The fact that he's clearly got the support of the players, especially important ones? The fact that nobody would want to take over before City anyway? The fact that every decision taken at the club right now seems to be a long term plan and doing something so rash at the very top of that would send a completely different message out across the club? Maybe I'm wrong though, maybe there is a magic man out there who can fit in nicely and deliver immediate results for on paper the worst team in the league last time we were in it and the worst team that got promoted last season too. Maybe we should ask BBC sport website, MOTD, the Saintsweb forum and the papers for their recommendations on who that is like someone else suggested earlier.

[tdmickey3]

These Martin fanboys are incredible, they must be related or Jack Stephens.

Defending his pathetic attempt at PL management is ridiculous 

ONE SINGLE POINT FROM EIGHT GAMES AND SOON TO BE FROM NINE, FUCKING ONE !!!!
 

The players must be getting mighty pissed off with being made to look this bad, publicly they won’t say or show it of course but privately the will be extremely hacked off, time will tell on when the pretence starts to slip

 

We’ve got head fanboy Fabrice, out  and notnow will be up soon with some bull but Gio will be later whilst he compiles a sermon of horseshit and tells us we are entitled pricks or something similar and how we dare question the pathetic accumulation of 1 point

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 20 by tdmickey3

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

Himself? The vibe at the ground yesterday when he was clapped down the tunnel by the Itchen? The fact that he's clearly got the support of the players, especially important ones? The fact that nobody would want to take over before City anyway? The fact that every decision taken at the club right now seems to be a long term plan and doing something so rash at the very top of that would send a completely different message out across the club? Maybe I'm wrong though, maybe there is a magic man out there who can fit in nicely and deliver immediate results for on paper the worst team in the league last time we were in it and the worst team that got promoted last season too. Maybe we should ask BBC sport website, MOTD, the Saintsweb forum and the papers for their recommendations on who that is like someone else suggested earlier.

Ok, an opinion then. You're entitled to it, as are others who believe that Martin’s approach and the player recruitment set-up we have will never be effective.

[Billy the Kidd]

17 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The worse thing is the fixtures weren’t that tough. 
 

Both promoted sides at home, Forest, Boscombe, Brentford, Newcastle with 10 for an hour, even Man Utd are a shadow of what they were and probably the weakest of the big clubs this season. Arsenal away is probably the only nailed on defeat (considering the Newcastle game situation). Absolutely fucking woeful tally from those games and it’s only going to get tougher. 
 

 

I can't for the life of me understand why people aren't asking for him to be gone.

We are this bad this season due to him.

 

[Fabrice29]

5 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What a load of old pony.

Ralph wasn’t sacked after a “few games”, there was a decline in performances from the previous season & he should of probably gone in the summer. Jones’ position was untenable and had to be sacked. We didn’t change Selles when we didn’t win a few games. 
 

You don’t keep someone clearly out of their depth because you sacked  previous managers  and still went down, anymore than you’d keep playing BBD because you binned off Oršić and still went down. 

Ralph was sacked because he'd lost the dressing room completely and quite rightly so like you said. Jones had seemingly pissed almost everyone off in the ground and Selles was very much told he wasn't going to be our manager for any significant time after a short period. None of them worked. The one managerial appointment that has worked under SR has been Martin.

Anyway, we have different approaches on how we would do things, which is fine. I'd much rather we tried to make this work than change in hope. The guy who delivered success with this club last year feels like a good option to me but then again maybe I'm wrong and there's someone who can deliver success out there and maybe we'll find them and maybe they'll turn our defence which includes players who have played under 4 different managers now but still barely keep clean sheets into quality players at this level. Who knows.

[Fabrice29]

12 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

These Martin fanboys are incredible, they must be related or Jack Stephens.

Defending his pathetic attempt at PL management is ridiculous 

ONE SINGLE POINT FROM EIGHT GAMES AND SOON TO BE FROM NINE, FUCKING ONE !!!!
 

The players must be getting mighty pissed off with being made to look this bad, publicly they won’t say or show it of course but privately the will be extremely hacked off, time will tell on when the pretence starts to slip

 

We’ve got head fanboy Fabrice, out  and notnow will be up soon with some bull but Gio will be later whilst he compiles a sermon of horseshit and tells us we are entitled pricks or something similar and how we dare question the pathetic accumulation of 1 point

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think if the players want to stop looking bad they should probably stop throwing points away in the last minute of games first especially before blaming the guy that led them to the PL last season, which some of this squad completely ballsed up the year before that as well.