Harry_SFC Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 1 hour ago, Dusic said: I think we have actually changed a lot game to game this season, usually to our detriment and would actually have been better if we had more consistency in selection and team shape. I know that doesn't fit with your prevailing view but do you genuinely think we have done the same thing each week? I actually think our best 11 is relatively easy to name now, bar possibly full back and one of the wide positions. Let's hope RM can start finding some consistency in his selections. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 4 hours ago, derry said: We got promoted through the playoffs because we dropped the suicidal passing at the back, moved the ball quicker and were more direct. Let in fewer goals and scored more including the Leeds game at the end of the season. Yet the winning goal in the play off final was a 12 pass move that started in Saints penalty area. Just saying. I think this idea that there was some enforced change of tactics that led magically to positive results is overdone. Basically what happened was that McCarthy booted it long occasionally because he’s not comfortable passing the ball under pressure. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 5 hours ago, Dark Munster said: And not just him, also everyone on the board who is still backing him. Rasmus being the ringleader. Hurrah token dig. I been on this site for decades. FWIW didn’t renew this season and rarely on here. It’s dreadful. Just pages of desperate moronic digs at RM, SR and of course Rasmus who is nothing to do with first team. I sometimes browse Leeds, Leicester, Everton forums they are far more pragmatic and at least have intelligent comments . supported the club since 5 years old and it’s true we’re are a bunch of southern softies. We also seem to have of wedge of fans wanting the team to do badly. written off now but the horrendous abuse given to Smallbone on Twitter. I used to love in the eighties out fans were amazing but now just a bunch of bed wetting moany fuckers. The amount of time these fans spend on here very strange. Oh and the amount of attention paid to the Circle Of Trust reminds me of one of those “exclusive “ div gangs at school. The members clearly have too much time on thier hands ( I would suggest getting a girlfriend ) the gullible followers and the little attention I paid they were rarely correct. one more the administrators of this site seem afraid of the COT and are afraid of calling out the bulllying and so forth the political narrative on the General forum is dominated by self appointed experts regurgitating bullshit from The Guardian. Thankfully this format is dying and will be superseded by Tik Tik, Reddit Rumble and the like leaving you lot as a small bunch of socially disfunctional twats arguing amongst yourselves . 🫡🇷🇺 1 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermitzasaint Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 10 hours ago, Lighthouse said: You realise that you do actually need a decent manager to make it work like that? If you want to email Man City and inform them that they’re wasting millions a year on Pep’s wages, because their squad and budget ‘dictate’ that they’ll win the league anyway, then be my guest. As shown, you don't need a decent manager. You can scrape through the play off's with a mediocre Championship manager. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 6 hours ago, Harry_SFC said: I do have this nagging feeling that the club will stick with Martin no matter what this season. I'm sure that's what the clueless muppets SR and Rasmus would want. But if this crap continues the fans won't tolerate it. The atmosphere at the ground would become so toxic they'd have no choice but to pull the trigger before the season is finished. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 7 hours ago, Graffito said: Yet the winning goal in the play off final was a 12 pass move that started in Saints penalty area. Just saying. I think this idea that there was some enforced change of tactics that led magically to positive results is overdone. Basically what happened was that McCarthy booted it long occasionally because he’s not comfortable passing the ball under pressure. A mere '12 pass move' certainly feels like an enforced change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 6 hours ago, Dark Munster said: I'm sure that's what the clueless muppets SR and Rasmus would want. But if this crap continues the fans won't tolerate it. The atmosphere at the ground would become so toxic they'd have no choice but to pull the trigger before the season is finished. I want RM to stay the season. He really earned that right after last season. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 28 minutes ago, stevy777_x said: I want RM to stay the season. He really earned that right after last season. even if. we don't win a single game? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 (edited) 18 hours ago, Lighthouse said: You realise that you do actually need a decent manager to make it work like that? If you want to email Man City and inform them that they’re wasting millions a year on Pep’s wages, because their squad and budget ‘dictate’ that they’ll win the league anyway, then be my guest. Hahahahahaha OK then. We're on one point no wins and jack shit goals because of our players vs the rest of the league and poor Russell Martin is completely helpless. But we got promoted last season not because of our players vs the rest of that league but because Russell Martin is a Pep Guardiola elite level genius. Right you are then. Edited October 19 by CB Fry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 Russell Martin is a slightly above average championship manager. A manager at that level with the players we had last year will always have a reasonable chance of promotion. Conversely, that same manager will always have a good chance of relegation in the league above with a lower level of players for that league. Admittedly I didn't think we would be doing quite as badly as we are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 Interesting that in his press conference he mentioned being really proud of the team in the second half against arsenal where we stopped being competitive and lost the game... Beggars belief 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64saint Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 In the Daily Mail today they report that Russell Martin was one of the English managers not interviewed for the vacant post. 🙄🫣 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 13 minutes ago, 64saint said: In the Daily Mail today they report that Russell Martin was one of the English managers not interviewed for the vacant post. 🙄🫣 This is his PR team working their bollocks off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 9 hours ago, Kermitzasaint said: As shown, you don't need a decent manager. You can scrape through the play off's with a mediocre Championship manager. Saying you don't need a decent manager to get promoted is one of the stupidest things I've read on here. Burley had the biggest budget in the league when he just about edged into sixth on the final day of the season. We were comfortably in third/fourth and chasing the top two throughout the second half of last season, then we won the playoffs about as convincingly as you can ask for against two pretty decent teams. 1 hour ago, CB Fry said: Hahahahahaha OK then. We're on one point no wins and jack shit goals because of our players vs the rest of the league and poor Russell Martin is completely helpless. But we got promoted last season not because of our players vs the rest of that league but because Russell Martin is a Pep Guardiola elite level genius. Right you are then. They were collectively responsible for promotion last season and they're collectively responsible for our position now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 9 hours ago, manji said: Hurrah token dig. I been on this site for decades. FWIW didn’t renew this season and rarely on here. It’s dreadful. Just pages of desperate moronic digs at RM, SR and of course Rasmus who is nothing to do with first team. I sometimes browse Leeds, Leicester, Everton forums they are far more pragmatic and at least have intelligent comments . supported the club since 5 years old and it’s true we’re are a bunch of southern softies. We also seem to have of wedge of fans wanting the team to do badly. written off now but the horrendous abuse given to Smallbone on Twitter. I used to love in the eighties out fans were amazing but now just a bunch of bed wetting moany fuckers. The amount of time these fans spend on here very strange. Oh and the amount of attention paid to the Circle Of Trust reminds me of one of those “exclusive “ div gangs at school. The members clearly have too much time on thier hands ( I would suggest getting a girlfriend ) the gullible followers and the little attention I paid they were rarely correct. one more the administrators of this site seem afraid of the COT and are afraid of calling out the bulllying and so forth the political narrative on the General forum is dominated by self appointed experts regurgitating bullshit from The Guardian. Thankfully this format is dying and will be superseded by Tik Tik, Reddit Rumble and the like leaving you lot as a small bunch of socially disfunctional twats arguing amongst yourselves . 🫡🇷🇺 Stop moaning FFS! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: They were collectively responsible for promotion last season and they're collectively responsible for our position now. Well a step forward at least, the other day you were much more comfortable trashing the players. Let's see, if we win today, a full throated support of the players that deliver that win. Edited October 19 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 7 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Well a step forward at least, the other day you were much more comfortable trashing the players. Let's see, if we win today, a full throated support of the players that deliver that win. 90% of our players I've seen solid evidence that they aren't good enough, hence I believe there is very little chance of us staying up. People wanted Martin gone after six games, I'm prepared to give him longer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 9 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: 90% of our players I've seen solid evidence that they aren't good enough, hence I believe there is very little chance of us staying up. People wanted Martin gone after six games, I'm prepared to give him longer. Longer to do what? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patches O Houlihan Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 Was listening to The Rest is Football podcast the day before yesterday - their reaction to the news of Tuchel. Lineker name dropped RM as one of the young up and coming English managers (Of which there are very few at a good level). The argument seems to be that in Germany Bundesliga managers get promoted from running the Under 23 side, or recruited from a lower tier: This almost never happens in the PL. The PL hires proven managers from other big leagues because they have the money and pulling power to do so. As Russ stated in the Leicester press conference; in order to get a PL gig as an English manager you have to get promoted from the Championship as manager. This automatically means that any English manager trying to prove themselves needs to do so with one of the weakest teams in the league, and as the contrast in resources of PL teams gets ever more stark it will only ever get harder for English managers unless something changes. My thought is that if we short-sightedly fire RM now, we may be questioning why we did that in 18 months when he is successfully managing a bigger team. Part of the reason Southampton can't have nice thingsTM is because we don't fight hard enough to keep them, not just because they are taken from us. Maybe I'll feel differently after we get humped by Leicester this afternoon, but right now I am still RM in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 1 minute ago, Patches O Houlihan said: Was listening to The Rest is Football podcast the day before yesterday - their reaction to the news of Tuchel. Lineker name dropped RM as one of the young up and coming English managers (Of which there are very few at a good level). The argument seems to be that in Germany Bundesliga managers get promoted from running the Under 23 side, or recruited from a lower tier: This almost never happens in the PL. The PL hires proven managers from other big leagues because they have the money and pulling power to do so. As Russ stated in the Leicester press conference; in order to get a PL gig as an English manager you have to get promoted from the Championship as manager. This automatically means that any English manager trying to prove themselves needs to do so with one of the weakest teams in the league, and as the contrast in resources of PL teams gets ever more stark it will only ever get harder for English managers unless something changes. My thought is that if we short-sightedly fire RM now, we may be questioning why we did that in 18 months when he is successfully managing a bigger team. Part of the reason Southampton can't have nice thingsTM is because we don't fight hard enough to keep them, not just because they are taken from us. Maybe I'll feel differently after we get humped by Leicester this afternoon, but right now I am still RM in. RMs refusal to fundamentally adapt to the situation we are in is all about him and waving his leg at potential new employers, not the immediate benefit of SFC. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patches O Houlihan Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: RMs refusal to fundamentally adapt to the situation we are in is all about him and waving his leg at potential new employers, not the immediate benefit of SFC. You can think what you like. Doesn't mean you're right, or that I have to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 And it’s my ball, and I’m going home. Harrumph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 (edited) 11 hours ago, manji said: Hurrah token dig. I been on this site for decades. FWIW didn’t renew this season and rarely on here. It’s dreadful. Just pages of desperate moronic digs at RM, SR and of course Rasmus who is nothing to do with first team. I sometimes browse Leeds, Leicester, Everton forums they are far more pragmatic and at least have intelligent comments . supported the club since 5 years old and it’s true we’re are a bunch of southern softies. We also seem to have of wedge of fans wanting the team to do badly. written off now but the horrendous abuse given to Smallbone on Twitter. I used to love in the eighties out fans were amazing but now just a bunch of bed wetting moany fuckers. The amount of time these fans spend on here very strange. Oh and the amount of attention paid to the Circle Of Trust reminds me of one of those “exclusive “ div gangs at school. The members clearly have too much time on thier hands ( I would suggest getting a girlfriend ) the gullible followers and the little attention I paid they were rarely correct. one more the administrators of this site seem afraid of the COT and are afraid of calling out the bulllying and so forth the political narrative on the General forum is dominated by self appointed experts regurgitating bullshit from The Guardian. Thankfully this format is dying and will be superseded by Tik Tik, Reddit Rumble and the like leaving you lot as a small bunch of socially disfunctional twats arguing amongst yourselves . 🫡🇷🇺 You clearly did pay "little attention" to the CoT, as we were nearly always correct this Summer...either way I think you're missing the light-hearted nature of the CoT - the only bullying that occurs is the horrendous name-calling, abuse and stalking directed upon the members of a group. Again, if you don't want to read it, don't go on there - you're not made to read it. Apart from that, there clearly is a lot of toxicity on this forum - this is due to the build up of cliques, fake personalities, fake wives and overall an attitude of distain towards other fans that are supposed to support the same club. Edited October 19 by Farmer Saint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 (edited) 11 hours ago, Graffito said: Yet the winning goal in the play off final was a 12 pass move that started in Saints penalty area. Just saying. I think this idea that there was some enforced change of tactics that led magically to positive results is overdone. Basically what happened was that McCarthy booted it long occasionally because he’s not comfortable passing the ball under pressure. Just the one goal though. Far too close for comfort and Dan James did hit the underside of our bar later on. How many more goals might we have scored with a more active approach? Edited October 19 by Whitey Grandad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldandtired Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 24 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Apart from that, there clearly is a lot of toxicity on this forum - this is due to the build up of cliques, fake personalities, fake wives and overall an attitude of distain towards other fans that are supposed to support the same club. In my opinion that is somewhat ironic coming from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 2 hours ago, 64saint said: In the Daily Mail today they report that Russell Martin was one of the English managers not interviewed for the vacant post. 🙄🫣 Presumably because he played for Scotland? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 22 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Just the one goal though. Far too close for comfort and Dan James did hit the underside of our bar later on. How many more goals might we have scored with a more active approach? I recall a heart in mouth moment when Daly (can’t recall his first name) hit the bar in 1976 Cup Final at 0-0. Not often mentioned now, and doubt you’d find it many history books. Who’s complaining? (Similarly Romeu in the 2017 League Cup final). Not wishing to detract from your overall point about our approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 32 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Apart from that, there clearly is a lot of toxicity on this forum - this is due to the build up of cliques, fake personalities, fake wives and overall an attitude of distain towards other fans that are supposed to support the same club. I wish my wife was fake. Imagine the possibillities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said: Presumably because he played for Scotland? Do you think the Jocks will want him when Clark is replaced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 Just now, Badger said: Do you think the Jocks will want him when Clark is replaced? Unlikely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 Just now, Weston Super Saint said: I wish my wife was fake. Imagine the possibillities. Can’t you just deflate her and put her back in the wardrobe ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 Just now, Badger said: Can’t you just deflate her and put her back in the wardrobe ? You seem to be confusing me with someone who does 'housework'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 39 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: RMs refusal to fundamentally adapt to the situation we are in is all about him and waving his leg at potential new employers, not the immediate benefit of SFC. Yes, RM is going to stand or fall based on the principles of his system. If nothing else, we'll be spared a Jones scenario where he says that up to that point, it's not really been his team. RM knows that this is a season to keep the upward trajectory of his career going. His approach is his selling point (he's not changing it), he's considered up and coming and is getting media exposure in the most covered league in the world. With a point on the board, and the tenure a lot of managers get I'm not surprised he's trying to get mentioned elsewhere. His contract with us should see him fine financially, but he's ambitious beyond us. If we're looking for a successor, then he will be looking to see what opportunities are out there too. The recent England/ Man Utd rumblings were windows of opportunity. If not for those jobs, then possibly for the vacancies created by those being filled. We'll see how long SR are willing to stick with it. For all the left field stuff, they've gone through plenty of managers and playing styles already, getting found out along the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 4 minutes ago, Badger said: Do you think the Jocks will want him when Clark is replaced? Do they still begrudge the George Burley appointment? The Scottish side has plenty of Norwich and ex-Saints players that he'd know well. They once played a striker less formation too. Despite recent results, Clarke would have to resign, having taken them to tournaments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: Just the one goal though. Far too close for comfort and Dan James did hit the underside of our bar later on. How many more goals might we have scored with a more active approach? That was their only meaningful chance, that aside they never really looked like scoring. You could also ask how many more goals might we have conceded with a more 'active' approach? Fact is Leeds were favourites but we won relatively comfortably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 There’s many things to criticise Russell Martin for. It’s moronic to blame him for only winning the playoff final by a single goal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 5 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: A mere '12 pass move' certainly feels like an enforced change. Take your point about the number of passes. But it wasn’t of course an enforced change. The move started in our penalty area. We moved the ball quicker. Sometimes that makes all the difference. Good goal wasn’t it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said: Just the one goal though. Far too close for comfort and Dan James did hit the underside of our bar later on. How many more goals might we have scored with a more active approach? Well that’s the difference between fact (saints won) and speculation (how many might saints have won by with a different approach). We’ll never know with speculation because it’s, well….speculation. Surely we can only go with the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 2 hours ago, Give it to Ron said: Longer to do what? Get the team playing more consistently like we did for periods against Newcastle, Utd, Arsenal and Ipswich, the same as any manager we appoint will have to work towards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 49 minutes ago, Graffito said: Well that’s the difference between fact (saints won) and speculation (how many might saints have won by with a different approach). We’ll never know with speculation because it’s, well….speculation. Surely we can only go with the facts. One single, lonely, solitary point.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 13 hours ago, manji said: Hurrah token dig. I been on this site for decades. FWIW didn’t renew this season and rarely on here. It’s dreadful. Just pages of desperate moronic digs at RM, SR and of course Rasmus who is nothing to do with first team. I sometimes browse Leeds, Leicester, Everton forums they are far more pragmatic and at least have intelligent comments . supported the club since 5 years old and it’s true we’re are a bunch of southern softies. We also seem to have of wedge of fans wanting the team to do badly. written off now but the horrendous abuse given to Smallbone on Twitter. I used to love in the eighties out fans were amazing but now just a bunch of bed wetting moany fuckers. The amount of time these fans spend on here very strange. Oh and the amount of attention paid to the Circle Of Trust reminds me of one of those “exclusive “ div gangs at school. The members clearly have too much time on thier hands ( I would suggest getting a girlfriend ) the gullible followers and the little attention I paid they were rarely correct. one more the administrators of this site seem afraid of the COT and are afraid of calling out the bulllying and so forth the political narrative on the General forum is dominated by self appointed experts regurgitating bullshit from The Guardian. Thankfully this format is dying and will be superseded by Tik Tik, Reddit Rumble and the like leaving you lot as a small bunch of socially disfunctional twats arguing amongst yourselves . 🫡🇷🇺 You sound really hard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 Said to my work colleague when we were 2-0 up, if we don't get three points after being 2-0 up then RM has got to go. 😳 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 Bye bye RM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouSaint Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 Sack this cunt now. Smallbone, Fraser and Manning should be nowhere near a Premier League pitch. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 He has to go now. To lose from being 2-0 up at home, against a relegation rival, is truly abysmal. The substitutions we fucking awful. Get him out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 Thank God we left him in charge for this game, he's really proving all those doubters wrong. Let's give him the next game and the next game and the next game and the next game and every game forever because he is such a fantastic manager. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 His subs changed the game for sure. Had to get his mates Smallbone and Fraser on didn't he. What a farce. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 Leave him in charge for City game. Let that be his final punishment and then sack him on the bus back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 He is fucking clueless. Awful subs. Terrible tactics. Get him gone now 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 Yep, that’s on him, again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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