Russell Martin

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Just now, notnowcato said:

Does he? 

Yes. You obviously think differently, so no surprise there.

[notnowcato]

56 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Don’t get me wrong, this persona we’ve created on the internet of ‘Legohair’ sitting in a hipster café, drinking £45 vegan lattes and vaping, before going to the game, yelling at Archer to, "pass it back to the ‘keeper FFS!" When he has a tap in from five yards, before going home and masturbating ferociously over his possession stats and photos of Pep, whilst a bored Lucy watches Love Island, is utterly hilarious. Honestly I just can’t stop laughing.

However, the fact that some people think it’s actually true and not just some internet meme is just ludicrous and I can only assume they need their house checking for radon and hallucinogenic mould.

So how do you spot hallucinogenic mould? Asking for a friend. 

[notnowcato]

Just now, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Yes. You obviously think differently, so no surprise there.

You seem so sure I thought you must know this to be true. 

[Harry_SFC]

3 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

That's half Martin's problem, he wants to be liked, wants to be everyone's best mate on the squad. 

He's clearly a very good man manager. Doesn't make him tactically good enough though. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, notnowcato said:

You seem so sure I thought you must know this to be true. 

About as sure as I am that you always try to pick an arguement with anyone whoever posts on here

[notnowcato]

1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

About as sure as I am that you always try to pick an arguement with anyone whoever posts on here

Not really. Have a pleasant evening. 

[gurru991]

1 minute ago, notnowcato said:

Not really. Have a pleasant evening. 

I find that statement offensive.. Are you trying to start an argument ??    🤣

[Bad Wolf]

2 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Fuck me, last season is sooo well, last season. Fact is we were promoted; much to the disappointment of many on here, which is utterly bizarre. 

Indeed.

I don't think anyone is questioning that this season, Russell and the team have not been good enough. Not by a long chalk. But it just nullifies it a bit when last season, Russell and the team were very clearly good enough and they STILL got slated at every turn. Which is why I just struggle to call for his head now, because I've been hearing "HE'S A CLUELESS CLOWN WITH NO PLAN B!" for a year and a half now and for the majority of that time, it's been total nonsense.

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, Dusic said:

https://twitter.com/SaintsExtra/status/1846984968481759421?s=19

Dibling on Russell Martin: “He makes sure you’re comfortable and you know you’re in his plans. He’s been amazing. He’s like my second dad - he cares, and he’s getting the best out of me. I really appreciate him.” #saintsfc

Obviously easy to say because he has given him a chance in the PL but does seem as if RM still retains the support of the players, which is not always the case and potentially a consideration for the decision makers. Certainly far easier a decision when morale is poor and the manager is clearly a wazza that everyone dislikes.

 

 

I’m sure he will enjoy his support when we are relegated and can leave to a premier league club

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Don’t get me wrong, this persona we’ve created on the internet of ‘Legohair’ sitting in a hipster café, drinking £45 vegan lattes and vaping, before going to the game, yelling at Archer to, "pass it back to the ‘keeper FFS!" When he has a tap in from five yards, before going home and masturbating ferociously over his possession stats and photos of Pep, whilst a bored Lucy watches Love Island, is utterly hilarious. Honestly I just can’t stop laughing.

However, the fact that some people think it’s actually true and not just some internet meme is just ludicrous and I can only assume they need their house checking for radon and hallucinogenic mould.

Not much on show to dispel the myth at the moment.

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

About as sure as I am that you always try to pick an arguement with anyone whoever posts on here

Only if they don’t hero worship RM, the other Martin cheerleaders are similar

[Whitey Grandad]

13 hours ago, Mr X said:

So why do we fuck around with the ball so much in our own area instead of getting it far away? 

Don't ask me. I can't make sense of any of these mini triangles. 

[Whitey Grandad]

6 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

Indeed.

I don't think anyone is questioning that this season, Russell and the team have not been good enough. Not by a long chalk. But it just nullifies it a bit when last season, Russell and the team were very clearly good enough and they STILL got slated at every turn. Which is why I just struggle to call for his head now, because I've been hearing "HE'S A CLUELESS CLOWN WITH NO PLAN B!" for a year and a half now and for the majority of that time, it's been total nonsense.

Clearly good enough? We only just scraped through. 

[CB Fry]

10 hours ago, Dusic said:

https://twitter.com/SaintsExtra/status/1846984968481759421?s=19

Dibling on Russell Martin: “He makes sure you’re comfortable and you know you’re in his plans. He’s been amazing. He’s like my second dad - he cares, and he’s getting the best out of me. I really appreciate him.” #saintsfc

Obviously easy to say because he has given him a chance in the PL but does seem as if RM still retains the support of the players, which is not always the case and potentially a consideration for the decision makers. Certainly far easier a decision when morale is poor and the manager is clearly a wazza that everyone dislikes.

 

 

Lord knows why anyone uses official club sanctioned interviews as evidence that the players all love the manager.

I've yet to see any interview like that with any player at any club in the world say anything different.

What do you think Tyler Dibling is going to say?

Edited 18 October, 2024 by CB Fry

[CB Fry]

Also worth saying that the players loving the manager is not a benefit in its own right. They all loved Steve Wigley. The England team loved Steve McClaren.

[Bad Wolf]

4 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Clearly good enough? We only just scraped through. 

How many times did Fergie, Wenger and Mourinho scrape through?

The fact is he got us up. Another example of nothing ever being good enough for this fanbase, which, as advised, just makes it harder to side with when it actually isn't good enough. Ie now. 

[Galway saint]

10 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

Indeed.

I don't think anyone is questioning that this season, Russell and the team have not been good enough. Not by a long chalk. But it just nullifies it a bit when last season, Russell and the team were very clearly good enough and they STILL got slated at every turn. Which is why I just struggle to call for his head now, because I've been hearing "HE'S A CLUELESS CLOWN WITH NO PLAN B!" for a year and a half now and for the majority of that time, it's been total nonsense.

Did you watch us last season at Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Hull and Leicester ? There were times when we were tactically naive and overrun. There were also times last season when we were good but against teams who pressed high and attacked at pace we struggled and that’s what we are facing this season and have looked totally out of our depth so far. I don’t  think most of us are surprised that playing the way we are with the players we have is producing these results. The reason we did ok last season was we had a bigger wage bill and better players and now this season we don’t and at the moment RM’s approach is not delivering and I cannot see it will. He’s showing himself to be a limited coach who can’t set up a team to defend  and if you have an attack as poor as ours then it’s not a good mix 

 

 

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

How many times did Fergie, Wenger and Mourinho scrape through?

The fact is he got us up. Another example of nothing ever being good enough for this fanbase, which, as advised, just makes it harder to side with when it actually isn't good enough. Ie now. 

I think the mitigation for being so poor now from some would be that the players are not good enough. That same logic would apply to last year where our players were more than good enough and then arguably underperformed by scraping through the lottery of the playoffs. 

[Mr X]

Is anyone actually surprised at how badly we are doing in this league with this style of rigid tactics football? It should be when Martin goes not if.... As if we stick with him when we are relegated all the goodwill towards him for promotion will be (rightly or wrongly) long gone 

[Bad Wolf]

1 hour ago, Galway saint said:

Did you watch us last season at Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Hull and Leicester ? There were times when we were tactically naive and overrun. There were also times last season when we were good but against teams who pressed high and attacked at pace we struggled and that’s what we are facing this season and have looked totally out of our depth so far. I don’t  think most of us are surprised that playing the way we are with the players we have is producing these results. The reason we did ok last season was we had a bigger wage bill and better players and now this season we don’t and at the moment RM’s approach is not delivering and I cannot see it will. He’s showing himself to be a limited coach who can’t set up a team to defend  and if you have an attack as poor as ours then it’s not a good mix 

 

 

Yes i did

They were appalling. Leicester and Leeds both also had appalling games. If you would have considered winning the playoffs a success pre season then you probably just had unrealistic expectations.

Not disagreeing with the last bit. But as I said, I just can't bring myself to want him sacked due to the amount of crap he got when he was actually doing well.

[Kermitzasaint]

1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

How many times did Fergie, Wenger and Mourinho scrape through?

The fact is he got us up. Another example of nothing ever being good enough for this fanbase, which, as advised, just makes it harder to side with when it actually isn't good enough. Ie now. 

Surely if Russell Martin was 'clearly' good enough, he would have gotten Swansea promoted? The fact he needed a squad that was superior to almost all others in the league goes against your claim. 

[Mr Nimbus]

I didn't renew my ST this season due to my seat being impacted by the ground changes, but I was interested to get the "in-ground" feeling on RM

Even last season I heard grumblings, I wondered if thats been intensified with the results that have been produced?

[Dman]

2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Also worth saying that the players loving the manager is not a benefit in its own right. They all loved Steve Wigley. The England team loved Steve McClaren.

They all loved Adkins then Poch came in and they loved Poch even more. 

Will they love Martin when they're plastered in history as being a side who didn't get 12 points. 

Edited 18 October, 2024 by Dman

[Galway saint]

1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

Yes i did

They were appalling. Leicester and Leeds both also had appalling games. If you would have considered winning the playoffs a success pre season then you probably just had unrealistic expectations.

Not disagreeing with the last bit. But as I said, I just can't bring myself to want him sacked due to the amount of crap he got when he was actually doing well.

If he’s sacked it won’t be because he got us promoted 

There’s a feeling we were promoted despite Martin and not because of him 

Thought he did well in the play offs so i’m happy to give him the benefit of the doubt on that but this season has to date been a shit show and if we don’t beat one or both of leicester and everton it could be very grim indeed 

[Bad Wolf]

1 hour ago, Kermitzasaint said:

Surely if Russell Martin was 'clearly' good enough, he would have gotten Swansea promoted? The fact he needed a squad that was superior to almost all others in the league goes against your claim. 

Superior ALMOST all others, yes. ALMOST. And we finished above ALMOST everyone and trumped Leeds when it mattered.

And you're honestly suggesting that a decent manager should be getting that Swansea team promoted? Nathan Wood was their best CB...

[Osvaldorama]

If we had won the league and strolled through the championship beating everyone, he would have earned more credit. 

Maybe then, 1 point from 21 would be overlooked. 
 

But we didnt. Of course, he had some credit for promotion, but frankly it’s all gone now. 
 

To try and pretend his magnificent exploits from last season protects him from criticism this season is insane. We have 1 point from an easy run of fixtures.

It’s not fucking good enough. 

 

[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

If we had won the league and strolled through the championship beating everyone, he would have earned more credit. 

Maybe then, 1 point from 21 would be overlooked. 
 

But we didnt. Of course, he had some credit for promotion, but frankly it’s all gone now. 
 

To try and pretend his magnificent exploits from last season protects him from criticism this season is insane. We have 1 point from an easy run of fixtures.

It’s not fucking good enough. 

 

It's not good enough, but it's not an easy run of fixtures when the team is between Championship and PL quality. Ipswich only have 3 more points, and are very lucky to not be one point behind us, and they have a far superior Manager.

The problem is the PL is fucking hard, and to stay up when coming up from the Championship you need an outstanding Manager (who we are unlikely to pick-up mid-season) or an outstanding team. We have neither.

[SWLondon Saint]

14 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

And yet we got enough points for promotion and we’re unbeaten against the other three playoff teams, with 6 wins and 3 draws.

Well sure, but then you can't ignore that against the teams that actually did get promoted, he had a less than stellar record of 4 losses out of 4. And do you honestly think Ipswich's squad was better than ours last year?

I think where RM looks particularly bad is that Ipswich and Leicester, with squads of a similar quality to ours, have been much more competitive in their games this season. They've looked close to getting results a number of times and actually have done. Other than Ipswich, did we? Against Forest we were utterly helpless against their press, our xG was a miserable 0.2 goals for the whole game. Brentford was similar though we had a couple chances, more so when they sat back at the end though.

You could argue Arsenal was a step in the right direction - but the goal we scored was nothing to do with Russ' possession-based style, it was pure counter-press - lose ball in midfield, win it back, quick pass forward, score in transition. Prior to that we'd mostly defended in a low block. The attempted short passing out did absolutely nothing for us except give the ball away in our defensive third.

So for me, if Russ can adapt and get results, then fair play to him. But if he continues to play to our weaknesses and the oppositions' strengths, which will result in loss after loss, then he has to go.

[Dman]

18 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Superior ALMOST all others, yes. ALMOST. And we finished above ALMOST everyone and trumped Leeds when it mattered.

And you're honestly suggesting that a decent manager should be getting that Swansea team promoted? Nathan Wood was their best CB...

He has no track record of being anything other than remotely average everywhere he's been. Promotion last season was an anomaly. He had the better of Farke last season so credit where its due for that but other than that, we beat everyone we should have beat. 

[Dman]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's not good enough, but it's not an easy run of fixtures when the team is between Championship and PL quality. Ipswich only have 3 more points, and are very lucky to not be one point behind us, and they have a far superior Manager.

The problem is the PL is fucking hard, and to stay up when coming up from the Championship you need an outstanding Manager (who we are unlikely to pick-up mid-season) or an outstanding team. We have neither.

Does this not highlight the problem and exact reason why he has to go sooner rather than later. 

For us to stay up, we need to be hard to beat, if we dont win, don't lose mentality. We are probably the easiest side to play against the leauge has ever seen. You're guarenteed at least 1 golden opportunity that we will gift you. 

[SWLondon Saint]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's not good enough, but it's not an easy run of fixtures when the team is between Championship and PL quality. Ipswich only have 3 more points, and are very lucky to not be one point behind us, and they have a far superior Manager.

The problem is the PL is fucking hard, and to stay up when coming up from the Championship you need an outstanding Manager (who we are unlikely to pick-up mid-season) or an outstanding team. We have neither.

Well yes, all fixtures are hard given we have one of the weaker squads, but our fixtures were still way easier than Ipswich or Leicester. I think we had the 4th easiest schedule to date and the 2nd hardest over the next 5-6 games or something. So it gets harder not easier.

I'd also add that one of the best ways to stay up is for an established PL team or 2 to implode during the season. That happened when we went down 2 years ago for 3 teams, it didn't at all last year. It looks like possibly Wolves, Palace, Everton could be in trouble this year so it's a huge opportunity to stay up with a weak / mediocre squad and one Martin hasn't shown he's up to yet. Can't help but think even a decent manager like Ralph would have us more competitive.

[saintant]

15 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

Indeed.

I don't think anyone is questioning that this season, Russell and the team have not been good enough. Not by a long chalk. But it just nullifies it a bit when last season, Russell and the team were very clearly good enough and they STILL got slated at every turn. Which is why I just struggle to call for his head now, because I've been hearing "HE'S A CLUELESS CLOWN WITH NO PLAN B!" for a year and a half now and for the majority of that time, it's been total nonsense.

Last season RM did ok but nothing out of the ordinary considering the squad he had. True to form he presided over a team that let too many goals in. I've seen and heard nothing from him so far to convince me that he is capable of managing at a higher level than the Championship - one of the glaringly obvious reasons for this is that he continues to prove himself unable to set up a team that plays in a compact manner meaning we are still conceding far too many goals a lot of which stem from mistakes which are often a by-product of the set up and tactics he prefers. Conversely we create too few chances and don't score nearly enough goals because he remains hell bent on the tippy-tappy system of playing out from the back. Combine the two and it's a recipe for certain relegation and I get that we don't have a squad capable of above mid-table but he is not making the most of what he has largely due to being welded to a system that doesn't and will not work with the players at his disposal. A decent manager looks at what he's got and adapts to get the best out of them.

Edited 18 October, 2024 by saintant

[Midfield_General]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's not good enough, but it's not an easy run of fixtures when the team is between Championship and PL quality. Ipswich only have 3 more points, and are very lucky to not be one point behind us, and they have a far superior Manager.

The problem is the PL is fucking hard, and to stay up when coming up from the Championship you need an outstanding Manager (who we are unlikely to pick-up mid-season) or an outstanding team. We have neither.

Or we could try not making an already hard league much fucking harder by not passing it to the opposition in own penalty area multiple times every game under the guise of 'philosophy'.

It doesn't need an outstanding manager to identify that, and doesn't need an outstanding team to execute it. It's basic common sense which is the key ingredient missing from our management. 

Edited 18 October, 2024 by Midfield_General

[beatlesaint]

31 minutes ago, saintant said:

Combine the two and it's a recipe for certain relegation and I get that we don't have a squad capable of above mid-table but he is not making the most of what he has largely due to being welded to a system that doesn't and will not work with the players at his disposal. A decent manager looks at what he's got and adapts to get the best out of them.

Absolutely this. 

I still maintain that if he got the defence to get the ball nto midfield as quickly as they can and its then left to them to do his tippy tappy football the amount of goals we concede would go down rather than having the last line of defence risk (and often do) losing the ball and giving opponents a clear run at goal. You can play out from the back without taking 5 fkin minutes to do so !

Edited 18 October, 2024 by beatlesaint

[Mr X]

1 hour ago, Dman said:

Does this not highlight the problem and exact reason why he has to go sooner rather than later. 

For us to stay up, we need to be hard to beat, if we dont win, don't lose mentality. We are probably the easiest side to play against the leauge has ever seen. You're guarenteed at least 1 golden opportunity that we will gift you. 

Nail on the head, you have to be hard to beat to survive in the premier league and all of Martin's teams have been known for leaking bucket loads of goals... The man has no clue how to build a solid defence or what his best players are to achieve that... So we are doomed basically as we aren't scoring anywhere near enough either 

[Midfield_General]

2 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Absolutely this. 

I still maintain that if he got the defence to get the ball nto midfield as quickly as they can and its then left to them to do his tippy tappy football the amount of goals we concede would go down rather than having the last line of defence risk (and often do) losing the ball and giving opponents a clear run at goal.

Totally. It seems absurd that we as simple fans can see basic things like that but the management can't. It's ridiculous. 

But then even without taking into account the goals given away through the suicidal passing at the back, this is also the same management that pissed away winnable fixtures by playing a revolutionary U-shape with two centre forwards hugging the touchline and no-one at all playing in the middle (Forest at home), and no centre-forwards on the pitch at all with five on the bench (Bournemouth away). 

So yeah. I'm less and less surprised by it now. 

[Miltonaggro]

On 16/10/2024 at 13:48, Football Special said:

He's an ex saint who loves the club and the area obviously,  not sure what package we've offered him but apparently Pinder is part of the deal 

Hearing today that Pinder has asked for some time off from the club ambassador role once Russ gets the sack. Potter being offered a team-building weekend in the New Forest with Rishi Sunak, Chris Packham, and Craig David as a sweetener.  

[Kermitzasaint]

2 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

Superior ALMOST all others, yes. ALMOST. And we finished above ALMOST everyone and trumped Leeds when it mattered.

And you're honestly suggesting that a decent manager should be getting that Swansea team promoted? Nathan Wood was their best CB...

So you agree that we finished where our squad and budget dictated we should. 

So nothing to do with Russell Martin obviously being a quality coach then. 

Thank you for agreeing with our side finally

[Lighthouse]

27 minutes ago, Kermitzasaint said:

So you agree that we finished where our squad and budget dictated we should. 

So nothing to do with Russell Martin obviously being a quality coach then. 

Thank you for agreeing with our side finally

You realise that you do actually need a decent manager to make it work like that? If you want to email Man City and inform them that they’re wasting millions a year on Pep’s wages, because their squad and budget ‘dictate’ that they’ll win the league anyway, then be my guest.

[Lord Duckhunter]

4 hours ago, Mr Nimbus said:

Even last season I heard grumblings, I wondered if thats been intensified with the results that have been produced?

There’s not much grumbling, too many Nods grateful for one season in the big time. 

That said a repeat of Boscombe tomorrow & the cock could be facing some clog. 

 

[Dman]

22 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

You realise that you do actually need a decent manager to make it work like that? If you want to email Man City and inform them that they’re wasting millions a year on Pep’s wages, because their squad and budget ‘dictate’ that they’ll win the league anyway, then be my guest.

You could put 90 - 100% of current PL managers into that City hotseat and they'd likley finish there or thereabouts. 

[Farmer Saint]

3 hours ago, Dman said:

Does this not highlight the problem and exact reason why he has to go sooner rather than later. 

For us to stay up, we need to be hard to beat, if we dont win, don't lose mentality. We are probably the easiest side to play against the leauge has ever seen. You're guarenteed at least 1 golden opportunity that we will gift you. 

I'm not saying he doesn't have to go, but we're unlikely to get anyone in that's going to improve us much.

Edited 18 October, 2024 by Farmer Saint

[saintant]

Just watched part 1 of the press conference. Near the end RM seemed to be intimating that those in charge are not too bothered about results and it's more about sticking with the process. He said something along the lines of the perception inside the building being totally different when Adam Blackmore asked about how the club stop the noises about his position being under threat. This is a worrying attitude from those running the club.

Edited 18 October, 2024 by saintant

[Dman]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

I'm not saying he doesn't have to go, but we're unlikely to get anyone in that's going to improve is much.

hmmmm i'm not sure I agree with that arguement. We might, we might not - It could be an underwhelming name which turns out to be a brilliant appointment, it could be a big name who turns out to be a disaster. I do not agree that that there is not a single manager with a better pedigree looking to take a leap into the PL, than fucking Russel 'Mid-table' Martin. 

One thing I do know. We're on 1 point and on track to smash the record low number of points.  we've hardly laid a glove on anyone this season and look way out of our depth, trying to play a way in which you need to be shit hot to succeed in. 

Burnely were a much better side than us and still went down with a wimper. 

Under Martin we have absolutely 0 chance of staying up. 

If we fail to win on saturday (likley) he has a worse record in the PL than Nathan Jones.... I mean let that sink in and then suggest again that we can't get someone better in. 

[Oldandtired]

Just now, Dman said:

Russel 'Mid-table' Martin. 

 

If only….

[Wade Garrett]

5 hours ago, Mr Nimbus said:

I didn't renew my ST this season due to my seat being impacted by the ground changes, but I was interested to get the "in-ground" feeling on RM

Even last season I heard grumblings, I wondered if thats been intensified with the results that have been produced?

All the season ticket holders who sit near me all think he’s an onion.

Head scratching every game.

[Oldandtired]

11 minutes ago, saintant said:

Just watched part 1 of the press conference. Near the end RN seemed to be intimating that those in charge are not too bothered about results and it's more about sticking with the process. He said something along the lines of the perception inside the building being totally different when Adam Blackmore asked about how the club stop the noises about his position being under threat. This is a worrying attitude from those running the club.

And a massive two fingers stuck up to the fans. I paid out nearly £600, a huge percentage of my yearly disposable income being a pensioner, for a season ticket on the premise that we would at least give it a go this season. That season ticket was not sold to me as a spectator to one man’s vanity project, to watch him gloat about having the best stats for keeping possession in our own penalty area or whatever. 
 

To those who defend him, in my opinion you are defending the indefensible. The only thing bigger than his ineptitude is his ego….or perhaps his ability to bullsh*t.

[Wade Garrett]

19 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I'm not saying he doesn't have to go, but we're unlikely to get anyone in that's going to improve us much.

Disagree Farmer.  I don’t think Martin is getting a fraction of the best from the team.

It wouldn’t be difficult for anyone new to improve.

[Farmer Saint]

6 minutes ago, Dman said:

hmmmm i'm not sure I agree with that arguement. We might, we might not - It could be an underwhelming name which turns out to be a brilliant appointment, it could be a big name who turns out to be a disaster. I do not agree that that there is not a single manager with a better pedigree looking to take a leap into the PL, than fucking Russel 'Mid-table' Martin. 

One thing I do know. We're on 1 point and on track to smash the record low number of points.  we've hardly laid a glove on anyone this season and look way out of our depth, trying to play a way in which you need to be shit hot to succeed in. 

Burnely were a much better side than us and still went down with a wimper. 

Under Martin we have absolutely 0 chance of staying up. 

If we fail to win on saturday (likley) he has a worse record in the PL than Nathan Jones.... I mean let that sink in and then suggest again that we can't get someone better in. 

TBF Jones had a better team than Martin, and I think as an actual side we've looked better under Martin than Jones - but that's irrelevant - different teams and different players.

I think we have 0 chance of staying up anyway - I said that at the beginning of last season that any foray into the PL will lead to absolute relegation due to PSR and our inability to bring in PL quality players with the resulting transfer fee and ( more importantly) wage inhibitors.

There may be someone who can keep us up, but if there is I very much doubt he'll be interested in coming to us. Even decent Championship Managers want nothing to do with us (Corberan for instance) as it is a bloody nightmare trying to compete in the Premier League with a Championship quality team and wage budget.

 

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Disagree Farmer.  I don’t think Martin is getting a fraction of the best from the team.

It wouldn’t be difficult for anyone new to improve.

I guess we'll wait and see. All opinions after all.