Russell Martin

[Dark Munster]

44 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yep, on his way I believe, is being given the Charity match but then is out...will find out more tomorrow.

[Ted Bates Statue]

The question is, who is he being replaced with

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

The question is, who is he being replaced with

The way our Board work, probably Matt Gill.

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

The question is, who is he being replaced with

I'll find out more tomorrow, but very quiet on that front ATM.

[Dark Munster]

1 minute ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

The question is, who is he being replaced with

It would be hard to find someone as bad, or even worse.

Although I'm sure Rasmus will try his best in that regard.

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Dark Munster said:

It would be hard to find someone as bad, or even worse.

Although I'm sure Rasmus will try his best in that regard.

I would say Jones, Selles and Hughes are worse.

That's the history of our mid-season replacements.

[Dark Munster]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I would say Jones, Selles and Hughes are worse.

That's the history of our mid-season replacements.

Hughes definitely was better. Jones and Selles had better PL records than RM (a very low bar admittedly).

I would rate Jones, Selles and RM as equally terrible. Coincidentally, all SR hires.

Edited 13 October, 2024 by Dark Munster

[AlexLaw76]

56 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yep, on his way I believe, is being given the Charity match but then is out...will find out more tomorrow.

Imagine my surprise 

[Farmer Saint]

14 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

Hughes definitely was better. Jones and Selles had better PL records than RM (a very low bar admittedly).

I would rate Jones, Selles and RM as equally terrible. Coincidentally, all SR hires.

There is no way Martin is worse than those 3, I know there is a lot of hate for Martin but I think that's pretty ridiculous. Jones had a far more talented team than he did, and Hughes and Selles are useless. If we bring in someone like that we will be in far worse shape as our players are bought to play a specific way.

[Wade Garrett]

28 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I'll find out more tomorrow, but very quiet on that front ATM.

We’ll probably all find out.  Game on Saturday.

[Wade Garrett]

Hughes did a good job keeping us up in his first season.

[CB Fry]

6 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

There is no way Martin is worse than those 3, I know there is a lot of hate for Martin but I think that's pretty ridiculous. Jones had a far more talented team than he did, and Hughes and Selles are useless. If we bring in someone like that we will be in far worse shape as our players are bought to play a specific way.

Mark Hughes finished in top ten Premier League spots with four different Premier League clubs. Anyone thinking Russell Martin is better than that is a fucking idiot.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said:

Hughes did a good job keeping us up in his first season.

And he previously kept QPR up

[lambtiss]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yep, on his way I believe, is being given the Charity match but then is out...will find out more tomorrow.

That doesn’t make any sense though. Surely, nobody (even Saints) would have taken the decision to sack a manager and then wasted a week until a charity match was over to actually sack them. Especially, as Russ could have still had the charity match anyway.

The only reason that I can think of is that a manager that Saints wanted had agreed terms?

 

 

 

[Lighthouse]

41 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

Hughes definitely was better. Jones and Selles had better PL records than RM (a very low bar admittedly).

I would rate Jones, Selles and RM as equally terrible. Coincidentally, all SR hires.

A 95th minute deflected Ipswich corner is just barely holding that stat together but I agree with the sentiment.

[Farmer Saint]

19 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Mark Hughes finished in top ten Premier League spots with four different Premier League clubs. Anyone thinking Russell Martin is better than that is a fucking idiot.

He did earlier in his career for sure, but like Mourinho, that type of football is dead and has been for a long time. Where did he go to after us, pray tell? Oh yeah, he couldn't buy a job and ended up at Bradford for a season, four years later, and was sacked from there in that first season (18th in League 2). But yeah, let's bring him back in as he's demonstrably better than Martin.

Anyone thinking you can compare early career Mark Hughes to the one we had is a fucking idiot.

Edited 13 October, 2024 by Farmer Saint

[sfc4prem]

11 minutes ago, lambtiss said:

That doesn’t make any sense though. Surely, nobody (even Saints) would have taken the decision to sack a manager and then wasted a week until a charity match was over to actually sack them. Especially, as Russ could have still had the charity match anyway.

The only reason that I can think of is that a manager that Saints wanted had agreed terms?

 

 

 

And had already come to watch a game recently... 👀

[Winnersaint]

19 hours ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

Patrick Mahomes is a decent quarterback so probably quite comfortable there. 

Kirk Cousins seems to have carved out a decent career as a QB too. 

Edited 13 October, 2024 by Winnersaint

[Farmer Saint]

11 minutes ago, lambtiss said:

That doesn’t make any sense though. Surely, nobody (even Saints) would have taken the decision to sack a manager and then wasted a week until a charity match was over to actually sack them. Especially, as Russ could have still had the charity match anyway.

The only reason that I can think of is that a manager that Saints wanted had agreed terms?

 

 

 

I think there is a lot of respect in the building for Martin, and appreciation for what he has done and the person he is. But let's see.

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Winnersaint said:

Kirk Cousins seems to have carved out a decent career as a QB too.

Cousins is bang average - don't start with that shit.

[Winnersaint]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Cousins is bang average - don't start with that shit.

At least he has god on his side.😂

[lambtiss]

6 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

And had already come to watch a game recently... 👀

Who is that then?

[derry]

I wonder if Martin was given the option of changing his approach. If the above has legs I can only think he stuck to his guns. We'll have to wait and see.

[derry]

4 minutes ago, lambtiss said:

Who is that then?

Potter at Bournemouth for Sky.

[CB Fry]

22 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

He did earlier in his career for sure, but like Mourinho, that type of football is dead and has been for a long time. Where did he go to after us, pray tell? Oh yeah, he couldn't buy a job and ended up at Bradford for a season, four years later, and was sacked from there in that first season (18th in League 2). But yeah, let's bring him back in as he's demonstrably better than Martin.

Anyone thinking you can compare early career Mark Hughes to the one we had is a fucking idiot.

I'm not suggesting recruiting Mark Hughes you fucking clown.

Edited 13 October, 2024 by CB Fry

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Dark Munster said:

It would be hard to find someone as bad, or even worse.

Although I'm sure Rasmus will try his best in that regard.

If anyone can plummet that depth, then Rasmus can. 

[Dark Munster]

25 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

He did earlier in his career for sure, but like Mourinho, that type of football is dead and has been for a long time. Where did he go to after us, pray tell? Oh yeah, he couldn't buy a job and ended up at Bradford for a season, four years later, and was sacked from there in that first season (18th in League 2). But yeah, let's bring him back in as he's demonstrably better than Martin.

Anyone thinking you can compare early career Mark Hughes to the one we had is a fucking idiot.

Obviously we're comparing RM to the Hughes of Saints (and his record prior to that), not after, and from that he (MH) clearly was a better manager. If you want to compare managers how they are at the present time then RM is currently a better manager than Brian Clough.

Edited 13 October, 2024 by Dark Munster

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I'm not suggesting recruiting Mark Hughes you fucking clown.

That's weird, cos I could swear you just said this:

43 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Mark Hughes finished in top ten Premier League spots with four different Premier League clubs. Anyone thinking Russell Martin is better than that is a fucking idiot.

Surely if that's your opinion he'd be an upgrade?

Also, no need to get your knickers in such a twist - behave like an adult.

[Farmer Saint]

31 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

Obviously we're comparing RM to the Hughes of Saints (and his record prior to that), not after, and from that he clearly was a better manager. If you want to compare managers how they are at the present time then RM is currently a better manager than Brian Clough.

Absolutely, and the Hughes we had was on his way down, very clearly. If not why did he not get a job for 4 years after he left us, and then went to League 2? He didn't retire.

The Hughes we had was not the Hughes that CB Fry seems to think he was.

Edited 13 October, 2024 by Farmer Saint

[Badger]

30 minutes ago, lambtiss said:

That doesn’t make any sense though. Surely, nobody (even Saints) would have taken the decision to sack a manager and then wasted a week until a charity match was over to actually sack them. Especially, as Russ could have still had the charity match anyway.

The only reason that I can think of is that a manager that Saints wanted had agreed terms?

 

 

 

Or the target was tied up with other commitments until after the international break (media or such like). 

[Saint86]

Personally don't think they're about to sack him - sounds like the usual rumour mill fluff tbh. A lot of people are very vocal at wanting him out and have no issues creating noise to that effect. But equally facts remain he's a long way off being favourite for the boot - currently behind ETH and O'Neil.

If he does go, would hope its for Potter of the names listed - bugger all point sacking him for another untested unknown. Needs to be someone with pedigree who knows what he is doing and will have the respect of the players.

Edited 13 October, 2024 by Saint86

[Badger]

On 10/10/2024 at 13:54, Wade Garrett said:

Check this link of out of work managers:

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik
and take your pick.  Plenty of choices there.

Some ‘names’ there. The better ones probably wouldn’t be interested, and others have me diving for cover and preferring to stick with RM (Schumacher for instance). 
 

But one name that stood out was Igor Tudor. Not because he’s  good or I know anything about him, but just familiar. Weren’t we linked with him before ? 
 

Can’t remember when, and if it was with Semmens or SR. 

[Farmer Saint]

7 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Personally don't think they're about to sack him - sounds like the usual rumour mill fluff tbh. A lot of people are very vocal at wanting him out and have no issues creating noise to that effect. But equally facts remain he's a long way off being favourite for the boot - currently behind ETH and O'Neil.

If he does go, would hope its for Potter of the names listed - bugger all point sacking him for another untested unknown. Needs to be someone with pedigree who knows what he is doing and will have the respect of the players.

Potter is not interested, and is not that good.

[Ted Bates Statue]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

I would say Jones, Selles and Hughes are worse.

That's the history of our mid-season replacements.

Hughes made Hasenhuttl look like Jurgen Klopp. 

Hopefully our appointment will be more along the lines of Ralph, Poch, Pearson or Burley in terms of getting us closer to safety.

Also, Claude Puel is available 😉

[gurru991]

33 minutes ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

Hughes made Hasenhuttl look like Jurgen Klopp. 

Hopefully our appointment will be more along the lines of Ralph, Poch, Pearson or Burley in terms of getting us closer to safety.

Also, Claude Puel is available 😉

I'm guessing you were being facetious when you said Puel.  But for me Claude is a very solid Manager/Coach who knows how to tighten up a defence ..  His player assessment is second to none & I always felt he would make a great DOF.

Defence is how you beat relegation ... Not possession football

I actually thought that Southampton pulled the trigger on him way too soon

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Potter is not interested, and is not that good.

He’s won at least one premier league match, that makes him better than Martin.

[saintant]

I can't seeing Russ being sacked tomorrow. Forget some meaningless charity game, he'd surely have gone after the Arsenal game leaving the incoming manager with the best part of two weeks to get his feet under the table. Will be surprised if RM is not still in charge for the Leicester game.

[Dark Munster]

18 minutes ago, saintant said:

I can't seeing Russ being sacked tomorrow. Forget some meaningless charity game, he'd surely have gone after the Arsenal game leaving the incoming manager with the best part of two weeks to get his feet under the table. Will be surprised if RM is not still in charge for the Leicester game.

That would be the logical thing to do.

Unfortunately SR don't do logical.

[gurru991]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Potter is not interested, and is not that good.

Potter is looking for a high profile gig to keep him in the limelight. He wont want to tarnish his reputation by getting relegated. He turned down Leicester in the Summer but that was when a points deduction looked likely

[CB Fry]

11 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

That's weird, cos I could swear you just said this:

Surely if that's your opinion he'd be an upgrade?

Also, no need to get your knickers in such a twist - behave like an adult.

The original post I replied to was someone saying "Hughes was better".  Not "should take over tomorrow", none of it. Nice try sweetheart x x x

You can sneer away at Hughes post Saints career but let's remember the guy you are swooning over has won, let's count them, fucking zero Premier League games. Zero. 60 plus goals conceded in every season he's managed.

Let's see how glittering Russell Martin's career turns out after we give him the elbow. 4 different clubs in the top ten of the Prem, or pissing around mid table Championship? Off you go, Russ.

 

Edited 14 October, 2024 by CB Fry

[Miltonaggro]

I can see why the Board would 'give' Martin this charity match looking at all the variables and optics, but if they are serious about staying in this league they have to act now to bring in a credible replacement.  I've long thought Potter would be a great fit for Saints and vice versa, so it will probably be John fucking Eustace.

[Charlie Wayman]

12 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

It would be hard to find someone as bad, or even worse.

Although I'm sure Rasmus will try his best in that regard.

It is foolish to imply that (Nathan) Jones and (Ruben) Selles were better managers than Martin? They were not. 

[Badger]

37 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

I can see why the Board would 'give' Martin this charity match looking at all the variables and optics, but if they are serious about staying in this league they have to act now to bring in a credible replacement.  I've long thought Potter would be a great fit for Saints and vice versa, so it will probably be John fucking Eustace.

less experienced than RM. That would be right up Rasmus's street.

 

 

[notnowcato]

A lot of scar tissue being exposed when discussing ex managers. 
To be fair it’s fucking ridiculous comparing Hughes and Martin. One has had over 7 years managing in the premier league and the other has had 7 games. 

[Sarnia Cherie]

Are Ian Branfoot and Steve Wigley busy?  Any port in a storm or better the devil you know? (Tongue in cheek in case anyone thinks I'm being serious). 

[Miltonaggro]

22 minutes ago, Badger said:

less experienced than RM. That would be right up Rasmus's street.

 

 

It would indeed. Let’s hope Solak is sick of wasting his money. 

[lambtiss]

13 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yep, on his way I believe, is being given the Charity match but then is out...will find out more tomorrow.

This doesn't make any sense to me at all, I believe that Russ is going nowhere at the moment. Let's see ..

[beatlesaint]

IF this is true I bet that Bournemouth shitshow was the straw that broke the camels back. When he came out and said second half we played some great football (or words to that effect) I would have sacked the bloke on the spot for talking absolute bullshit.

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

17 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

I have been told Russ is on his way out. ( Second hand from a source within the dressing room ).

 

 

I’m a bit surprised really how so many are taking this seriously - posted a few minutes before RM’s charity match as he was “on the way out” of the dressing room and onto the pitch.

Surely the poster was on a wind-up or he was stitched up by his “source” 😁

[tdmickey3]

29 minutes ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said:

I’m a bit surprised really how so many are taking this seriously - posted a few minutes before RM’s charity match as he was “on the way out” of the dressing room and onto the pitch.

Surely the poster was on a wind-up or he was stitched up by his “source” 😁

Correct it was Farmer Saint and he has mostly nonsense info.

We are stuck with the clown 😬