Maggie May Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 4 hours ago, CanadaSaint said: This is the part I don't understand. How can a group that targeted Jesse Marsch end up appointing Russell Martin? From what I've seen of Marsch's style he's very high on getting the ball forward ASAP with diagonal passes, runs "in behind", width and pace. It's exhilarating to watch, he gets total "buy-in" from the really talented and less talented players, and all of them improve. He scared the crap out of the South American teams, including the Argies, in Copa America. So why did Marsch turn us down, and how the hell did we end up hiring his polar opposite? I have a feeling that the explanations for both might just lead back to Rasmus and his fixation with player metrics. Marsch explains why he decided not to take the job in a podcast interview with Simon Jordan. He wasn’t offered long enough. We would have gone down with Marsch regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 1 hour ago, Walter_Sobchak said: I think RM is learning, it might be too slow, but I can see it. If you think of the team he put out vs Newcastle... there are many differences. Small bone, Armstrong, Diaz are no longer starters. Aribo has sat a few matches. There have been some more direct play, especially with ramsdale. The point being, minor adjustments have been made... TP played today and it was because of the injury... but he could have put on Diaz. The problem is the playing from the back and crap defenders... let's be honest, when Bednarek was loaned to Villa, everyone here, hoped it would be permanent. The fact that he's our most reliable defender now, is also to blame for our issues... not just RM. I still think he's not the right manager for this team, but he's showing a glimpse that he might be able to change. What is RM learning? Literally, Monday night he set up a team with no strikers...in the premier league. Learning my arse 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Hs he not gone yet? What the fuck are we waiting for? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 12 hours ago, Harry_SFC said: You'd like to think the club are ahead of the game and have realistic targets should they get rid of him... What you have to remember is that Nathan Jones and Russell Martin were realistic targets. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 10 hours ago, Midfield_General said: I think you’re right re Potter who has turned down Ajax and has got his eye on bigger clubs than us (based on his chat on Sky on Monday night I think he thinks he’d have a shot at the Man Utd job). Why do you think Moyes would be out of reach though, out of interest? Because our team isn't good enough for the Prem and he wouldn't want to "sully" his reputation as its very unlikely he'd keep us up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 4 hours ago, Walter_Sobchak said: I think RM is learning … The problem is the playing from the back I still think he's not the right manager for this team, but he's showing a glimpse that he might be able to change. The bit in bold tends to suggest he isn’t learning or adapting. Some of the selections you highlight have been forced by injury, Smallbone for instance. Agree that the crap defence and squad may not be solely down to him, but he did bring in Wood and Manning (although latter had a reasonable game yesterday). However his goals against have been pretty shocking wherever he’s been. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 2 hours ago, Maggie May said: Marsch explains why he decided not to take the job in a podcast interview with Simon Jordan. He wasn’t offered long enough. We would have gone down with Marsch regardless. I thought in that interview he stated the reason he withdrew was down to detecting there was a division in the boardroom ( presumably Semmens/Old Guard v Ankersen). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 30 minutes ago, LGTL said: Hs he not gone yet? What the fuck are we waiting for? A good manager who wants to manage us I would guess. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 31 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: What you have to remember is that Nathan Jones and Russell Martin were realistic targets. Corberan or Eustace it is then. Or Carrick who was meant to be on the Rasmus Spectrum before. No idea if Eustace has a beard, or skinny jeans. Or vaping credentials of any of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 7 hours ago, CanadaSaint said: This is the part I don't understand. How can a group that targeted Jesse Marsch end up appointing Russell Martin? From what I've seen of Marsch's style he's very high on getting the ball forward ASAP with diagonal passes, runs "in behind", width and pace. It's exhilarating to watch, he gets total "buy-in" from the really talented and less talented players, and all of them improve. He scared the crap out of the South American teams, including the Argies, in Copa America. So why did Marsch turn us down, and how the hell did we end up hiring his polar opposite? I have a feeling that the explanations for both might just lead back to Rasmus and his fixation with player metrics. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/up-front/id1683837570?i=1000641264985 The podcast is “up front with Simon Jordan” linked is the link to the Jesse Marsch interview. Well worth a listen. I haven’t listened to it back, but I recall him saying he didn’t come because the leaders didn’t have any clear direction, or something along those lines, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 7 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: A good manager who wants to manage us I would guess. That's not stopped us for the last three appointments. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 28 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Because our team isn't good enough for the Prem and he wouldn't want to "sully" his reputation as its very unlikely he'd keep us up. I’m not convinced you couldn’t assemble a somewhat competitive team from our squad, with the right management. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 I don’t buy that the team isn’t good enough. We have a class keeper, a German international CB, a Polish international CB, an England U21 CB, 2 quality right backs who have both represented their countries. In midfield we have Downes who is proper box to box, Fernandes, who is already showing us how good he is, Lallana - getting on but still quality, Big Les, inexperienced and needs coaching but has all the tools to be a decent player. Up front we have Archer who is a decent finisher and needs a run of games and a manager to make him feel 10 feet tall. Diaz scored 7 in 14 for the worst team in the league last season and is not a winger. On the wings we have Dibling, who is already showing premier league quality at a young age, Cornet looked really good at Burnley, has the ability, needs a manager to make him feel 10 feet tall. Fraser was a quality winger until Eddie Howe made him train with the kids but has undoubted quality. We have a manager that imposes a system on his players totally at odds with their strengths. He chops and changes the side game to game. The players look beaten before they start. A good manager would find a system that works to the strengths of his players. A good manager would make his players feel 10 feet tall. A good manager would play a settled side. It is imperative we recruit a good manager. Timing is everything. Martin has had his chance and blown it. A new manager in now would have a couple of weeks to size his squad up before the Leicester game. Leave it any longer and you’re throwing points away and making it unnecessarily more difficult for a new boss to get us out of the bottom 3. 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 7 minutes ago, Badger said: Corberan or Eustace it is then. Or Carrick who was meant to be on the Rasmus Spectrum before. No idea if Eustace has a beard, or skinny jeans. Or vaping credentials of any of them. Corberan won't be interested until the end of the season of until WBA are out of the promotion hunt, he's bought into that project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 8 hours ago, CanadaSaint said: This is the part I don't understand. How can a group that targeted Jesse Marsch end up appointing Russell Martin? From what I've seen of Marsch's style he's very high on getting the ball forward ASAP with diagonal passes, runs "in behind", width and pace. It's exhilarating to watch, he gets total "buy-in" from the really talented and less talented players, and all of them improve. He scared the crap out of the South American teams, including the Argies, in Copa America. So why did Marsch turn us down, and how the hell did we end up hiring his polar opposite? I have a feeling that the explanations for both might just lead back to Rasmus and his fixation with player metrics. Marsch was when we were still in the Premier League with Ankersen and co in charge. He turned us down due to length of contract offered. Martin was appointed after relegation when Wilcox was in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 14 minutes ago, Toussaint said: I’m not convinced you couldn’t assemble a somewhat competitive team from our squad, with the right management. That doesn't seem to be the opinion outside of the club - the above was paraphrased (apart from the word "sully") from a mate who's an agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 30 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: I don’t buy that the team isn’t good enough. We have a class keeper, a German international CB, a Polish international CB, an England U21 CB, 2 quality right backs who have both represented their countries. In midfield we have Downes who is proper box to box, Fernandes, who is already showing us how good he is, Lallana - getting on but still quality, Big Les, inexperienced and needs coaching but has all the tools to be a decent player. Up front we have Archer who is a decent finisher and needs a run of games and a manager to make him feel 10 feet tall. Diaz scored 7 in 14 for the worst team in the league last season and is not a winger. On the wings we have Dibling, who is already showing premier league quality at a young age, Cornet looked really good at Burnley, has the ability, needs a manager to make him feel 10 feet tall. Fraser was a quality winger until Eddie Howe made him train with the kids but has undoubted quality. That's an incredibly optimistic take on our squad. Ramsdale - Slightly worse save percentage (so far) than Bazunu last season. 'German international' CB - All the signs are that he hasn't wanted to be here since Ralph left, his international career is basically two late sub appearances, he's the Deutsch Nugent. Polish international CB - He's been a weakness in our PL team ever since we've signed him. A perfect avatar for the decline in our squad since 2016. England U21 CB - Has good potential but has been 'mixed' so far at this level. 2 RBs - They're decent, no argument. I doubt either would get a game for a top half team but they're good enough for us. All the midfielders you've mentioned are unproven, with the exception of Lallana, whose legs are gone. He's a passenger we wont be able to carry in a lot of games. Archer looks to have something about him, he might just trouble double figures in a decent season but he's nothing special. Diaz is a donkey. Cornet we've seen nothing of to really say anything yet. Fraser has been anonymous so far this season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 52 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: That doesn't seem to be the opinion outside of the club - the above was paraphrased (apart from the word "sully") from a mate who's an agent. who exactly has that opinion or are you suggesting everyone has that opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 56 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: That doesn't seem to be the opinion outside of the club - the above was paraphrased (apart from the word "sully") from a mate who's an agent. I think Wade Garrett, above, articulated my thoughts better than I could do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 11 minutes ago, wild-saint said: who exactly has that opinion or are you suggesting everyone has that opinion? Well, as I said my mate said that's the perception when I was asking about certain information on Managers in the UK market and that was his opinion. True that is probably not universal, but if that's the opinions he's heard in his world that's not a positive thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 35 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: That's an incredibly optimistic take on our squad. Ramsdale - Slightly worse save percentage (so far) than Bazunu last season. 'German international' CB - All the signs are that he hasn't wanted to be here since Ralph left, his international career is basically two late sub appearances, he's the Deutsch Nugent. Polish international CB - He's been a weakness in our PL team ever since we've signed him. A perfect avatar for the decline in our squad since 2016. England U21 CB - Has good potential but has been 'mixed' so far at this level. 2 RBs - They're decent, no argument. I doubt either would get a game for a top half team but they're good enough for us. All the midfielders you've mentioned are unproven, with the exception of Lallana, whose legs are gone. He's a passenger we wont be able to carry in a lot of games. Archer looks to have something about him, he might just trouble double figures in a decent season but he's nothing special. Diaz is a donkey. Cornet we've seen nothing of to really say anything yet. Fraser has been anonymous so far this season. Exactly this - our fans seem to massively overrate our team and I don't understand why - perhaps it is as a justification for how shit they think Martin is. Martin is a Championship Manager, but our team is also a Championship team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Exactly this - our fans seem to massively overrate our team and I don't understand why - perhaps it is as a justification for how shit they think Martin is. Martin is a Championship Manager, but our team is also a Championship team. it’s also possible for “the whole to be greater than the sum of its parts”, the missing ingredient her is a manager who can get the team performing to their strengths and at their maximum. edit: do you not think Strachan in his heyday would not have had this squad performing infinitely better than they are currently? Edited October 6 by Toussaint 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 2 hours ago, LGTL said: Hs he not gone yet? What the fuck are we waiting for? Now is the ideal time to get rid as it gives a new manager the international break to get his feet under the table and prepare for the crucial Leicester match. My instinct tells me SR will stick with Russball. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Who would be responsible for appointing the new manager, that is the scary bit?. If it’s Rasmus then God help us. We need a total rebuild on the footballing staff de of the business, that won’t happen anytime soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 6 minutes ago, Toussaint said: Who would be responsible for appointing the new manager, that is the scary bit?. If it’s Rasmus then God help us. We need a total rebuild on the footballing staff de of the business, that won’t happen anytime soon. If bullshit was gold Rasmus would be one of the richest men in the world. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 30 minutes ago, Toussaint said: it’s also possible for “the whole to be greater than the sum of its parts”, the missing ingredient her is a manager who can get the team performing to their strengths and at their maximum. edit: do you not think Strachan in his heyday would not have had this squad performing infinitely better than they are currently? Absolutely it is, Ipswich are a good example of this, but ultimately they have a manager who seems to be rather good (although they're still not exactly doing well - a whole 4 points and 1 of them was extremely lucky against us). I don't think we have the opportunity to bring someone in of the quality of McKenna, so not sure what chance we really have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Just out of interest, if our choice is Rasmus appointing a new Manager, or Martin staying in place, what would people prefer to do? The discussions I've had over the past few days have led to me feeling very depressed about who we can bring in to replace Martin, but I also feel he needs to go as the fans have turned on him and there is no way back now I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said: Just out of interest, if our choice is Rasmus appointing a new Manager, or Martin staying in place, what would people prefer to do? The discussions I've had over the past few days have led to me feeling very depressed about who we can bring in to replace Martin, but I also feel he needs to go as the fans have turned on him and there is no way back now I feel. How about a third option - we get rid of both of them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 (edited) 10 hours ago, CanadaSaint said: So why did Marsch turn us down, It was because he felt there was a disconnect at the top of the club between Semmens & SR. He directly addressed this during a podcast with Simon Jordan. If I remember correctly, He said Semmens was the guy he was dealing with but didn’t feel SR were quite on board, so didn’t offer him long term deal. Edited October 6 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: Ramsdale - Slightly worse save percentage (so far) than Bazunu last season. Dear god, you need to get off this Baz bus. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 1 hour ago, Toussaint said: it’s also possible for “the whole to be greater than the sum of its parts”, the missing ingredient her is a manager who can get the team performing to their strengths and at their maximum. Correct. Not only “greater than the sum of its parts” but what about developing players, coaching them, making them better. Who is a better player for playing under Lego head? THB certainly isn’t, Edozie didn’t,Alcaraz didn’t (despite being picked in the world champions squad), Sully hasn’t. It’s too easy just to say players are shite, Bally picked up Matt Le Tiss from Branfoot & made him a better player. Hoddle improved some of the players, WGS turned Chirs Marsden & others into better players. Arguably even Jones had JWP playing more effectively slightly further forward. Who has this bloke improved? For all this pony about his coaching, he hasn’t really developed anyone, all that’s happened is some like Downes & KWP looked better at a lower level, nobody has kicked on under this bloke, except for Dibling and we’ve go no previous to measure him against, and if Bournemouth is anything to go by won’t hold my breath that he’ll get the proper development his talent deserves. A decent manager would put a structure in place that plays to our strengths, will develop players to be better, breed a bit of confidence, and will more importantly learn from his mistakes. I refuse to believe there’s an inevitability about our relegation. If Chris Wilder can take Sheffield Utd with Oli McBurney into the top 10 in his first premier league campaign, there’s no reason a decent manager couldn’t keep this group up. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 26 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Dear god, you need to get off this Baz bus. Hmmm. True though, isn’t it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 2 hours ago, Lighthouse said: That's an incredibly optimistic take on our squad. Ramsdale - Slightly worse save percentage (so far) than Bazunu last season. 'German international' CB - All the signs are that he hasn't wanted to be here since Ralph left, his international career is basically two late sub appearances, he's the Deutsch Nugent. Polish international CB - He's been a weakness in our PL team ever since we've signed him. A perfect avatar for the decline in our squad since 2016. England U21 CB - Has good potential but has been 'mixed' so far at this level. 2 RBs - They're decent, no argument. I doubt either would get a game for a top half team but they're good enough for us. All the midfielders you've mentioned are unproven, with the exception of Lallana, whose legs are gone. He's a passenger we wont be able to carry in a lot of games. Archer looks to have something about him, he might just trouble double figures in a decent season but he's nothing special. Diaz is a donkey. Cornet we've seen nothing of to really say anything yet. Fraser has been anonymous so far this season. You lost me with your comparison between Bazunu and Ramsdale. I have no doubt that a new manager would get enough out of that squad to stay up. Martin won’t, and the players poor form is down to his tactics, coaching and man-management. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 2 hours ago, Lighthouse said: That's an incredibly optimistic take on our squad. Ramsdale - Slightly worse save percentage (so far) than Bazunu last season. 'German international' CB - All the signs are that he hasn't wanted to be here since Ralph left, his international career is basically two late sub appearances, he's the Deutsch Nugent. Polish international CB - He's been a weakness in our PL team ever since we've signed him. A perfect avatar for the decline in our squad since 2016. England U21 CB - Has good potential but has been 'mixed' so far at this level. 2 RBs - They're decent, no argument. I doubt either would get a game for a top half team but they're good enough for us. All the midfielders you've mentioned are unproven, with the exception of Lallana, whose legs are gone. He's a passenger we wont be able to carry in a lot of games. Archer looks to have something about him, he might just trouble double figures in a decent season but he's nothing special. Diaz is a donkey. Cornet we've seen nothing of to really say anything yet. Fraser has been anonymous so far this season. Agree it’s an optimistic take but the basic point that we have some capable players who could be coached into being competitive and have a chance of staying up is a valid one. The alternative take is that nobody could be doing any better than RM and I simply don’t believe that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Hmmm. True though, isn’t it. Not really, if you’re comparing championship stats to premier league stats, Adam Armstrong will look good enough. Baz isn’t good enough for the championship, AR is one of Englands top keepers, there’s absolutely no comparison. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 15 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Not really, if you’re comparing championship stats to premier league stats, Adam Armstrong will look good enough. Baz isn’t good enough for the championship, AR is one of Englands top keepers, there’s absolutely no comparison. 64% in the Championship - Not good enough for the Championship 63% in the PL - One of England's top keepers. I do think Ramsdale is a better keeper overall but however you dress it up, that's a worse save percentage than the man who everyone said, "saves nothing and we got promoted in spite of him." Ramsdale has conceded 13 in 5 games so far, so he's not done anything heroic yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 If Martin did go and Saints didn't have a permanent replacement lined up straight away, I'd guess Lallana as a caretaker boss might be the initial step. Lallana supported Brighton's Andrew Crofts when Potter left for Chelsea and Lallana also helped coach England under 21s recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 1 hour ago, saintant said: How about a third option - we get rid of both of them. It's not a wishlist, it's what is happening at the moment. It's one of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said: Just out of interest, if our choice is Rasmus appointing a new Manager, or Martin staying in place, what would people prefer to do? The discussions I've had over the past few days have led to me feeling very depressed about who we can bring in to replace Martin, but I also feel he needs to go as the fans have turned on him and there is no way back now I feel. How about we just replace Russ with Ras? You know, If it’s already broken properly smash it to fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 (edited) The only way a lesser talented team can compete is physically. High tempo, massive press, move the ball quickly forward and take no chances at the back. Kamikaze ball recycling for possession's sake is as it says on the label suicidal in terms of results. Relegation is not just likely playing this way it's certain. The problem as I see it, the longer we delay change the less chance we give his replacement to save us. I don't see any change. I see a desperate rotation without getting it right and a straitjacket possession obsession giving opponents goals. Seven matches in he hasn't got a settled side just constant change. Edited October 6 by derry 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 14 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: It's not a wishlist, it's what is happening at the moment. It's one of the two. Well, we can all have our own wish list and mine is to ditch the pair of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Just now, saintant said: Well, we can all have our own wish list and mine is to ditch the pair of them. But that's not the question I asked - so if we go back to the original options which would you prefer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said: But that's not the question I asked - so if we go back to the original options which would you prefer? It's a kind of Hobson's choice but you are offering but, if pushed, I'd have to opt for Rasmus choosing a new manager because I think there is a slim chance he'll finally get the decision right whereas I 100% believe that RM is not a Premier League level manager and needs to be gone immediately to offer us some slight chance of avoiding relegation or at least giving us the opportunity to accumulate a decent points tally. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: But that's not the question I asked - so if we go back to the original options which would you prefer? I don’t think it will be an appointment solely made by Rasmus. But of the 2 options you have given, I would still give Martin the boot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 29 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: 64% in the Championship - Not good enough for the Championship 63% in the PL - One of England's top keepers. I do think Ramsdale is a better keeper overall but however you dress it up, that's a worse save percentage than the man who everyone said, "saves nothing and we got promoted in spite of him." Ramsdale has conceded 13 in 5 games so far, so he's not done anything heroic yet. Save percentages on their own tells you nothing really does it? Two keepers could have identical save percentages of 65% but keeper a) might have made far more brilliant saves than keeper b) among the 65%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 4 hours ago, Badger said: The bit in bold tends to suggest he isn’t learning or adapting. Some of the selections you highlight have been forced by injury, Smallbone for instance. Agree that the crap defence and squad may not be solely down to him, but he did bring in Wood and Manning (although latter had a reasonable game yesterday). However his goals against have been pretty shocking wherever he’s been. The problem isn't actually the playing out from the back, we tend to do fine with that. The problem is that when we play out and invite the press, we then pass it back, then sideways, then forwards, then back, then back, then sideways...playing out is fine but the forward option should always be the first one taken. I am sick of Martin but I actually have to admit I'm seeing differences in mentality. We were set up much more defensively V Arsenal which, while obviously negative, is a clear departure from his "we'll play the same way all the time no matter what" stubbornness that he came out with in the summer. Onuachu coming back in shows he's opened the door at least to him. I would like to see Sulemana and ABK given a chance as well. Smallbone is nowhere near the side, not even on the bench, after last season Martin claimed he would be "a top, top player" for us. He's obviously realised that isn't going to happen. Aribo, Bednarek, Fernandes, Dibling, Archer, Onuachu, Ramsdale, Sugawara are all putting in decent performances. There is the potential for us to do well under Martin but these small adjustments he's made need to continue, most notably stop passing it backwards when there are other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 1 minute ago, saintant said: It's a kind of Hobson's choice but you are offering but, if pushed, I'd have to opt for Rasmus choosing a new manager because I think there is a slim chance he'll finally get the decision right whereas I 100% believe that RM is not a Premier League level manager and needs to be gone immediately to offer us some slight chance of avoiding relegation or at least giving us the opportunity to accumulate a decent points tally. As you say, it is a Hobson's choice for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 33 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: 64% in the Championship - Not good enough for the Championship 63% in the PL - One of England's top keepers. I do think Ramsdale is a better keeper overall but however you dress it up, that's a worse save percentage than the man who everyone said, "saves nothing and we got promoted in spite of him." Ramsdale has conceded 13 in 5 games so far, so he's not done anything heroic yet. Stats, stats, stats. They’re meaningless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 33 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: 64% in the Championship - Not good enough for the Championship 63% in the PL - One of England's top keepers. I do think Ramsdale is a better keeper overall but however you dress it up, that's a worse save percentage than the man who everyone said, "saves nothing and we got promoted in spite of him." Ramsdale has conceded 13 in 5 games so far, so he's not done anything heroic yet. 63% of shots from Premier League strikers vs 64% of shots from Championship strikers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 4 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: The problem isn't actually the playing out from the back, we tend to do fine with that. The problem is that when we play out and invite the press, we then pass it back, then sideways, then forwards, then back, then back, then sideways...playing out is fine but the forward option should always be the first one taken. I am sick of Martin but I actually have to admit I'm seeing differences in mentality. We were set up much more defensively V Arsenal which, while obviously negative, is a clear departure from his "we'll play the same way all the time no matter what" stubbornness that he came out with in the summer. Onuachu coming back in shows he's opened the door at least to him. I would like to see Sulemana and ABK given a chance as well. Smallbone is nowhere near the side, not even on the bench, after last season Martin claimed he would be "a top, top player" for us. He's obviously realised that isn't going to happen. Aribo, Bednarek, Fernandes, Dibling, Archer, Onuachu, Ramsdale, Sugawara are all putting in decent performances. There is the potential for us to do well under Martin but these small adjustments he's made need to continue, most notably stop passing it backwards when there are other options. You can’t keep stirring the pot hoping that it’s eventually going to set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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