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5 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

3 points against Leicester or it’s time to go Russell. 

It would be negligent of the ownership to allow Martin take charge against Leicester.

He has to go now.  Let’s get a new manager In and give him a couple of weeks with the squad.

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I'd like to stick with Martin but given he won't switch from the playing out from the back manta we need to get rid, and need to do so now.  Hopefully the club have been lining someone up, though I suspect I'll be disappointed...

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Russell’s brand of football clearly only works against significantly inferior opposition, this was proved last season. For it to be any good for us, we either need far better players or to be playing far worse opposition.

Neither of those are going to happen this season so he’s got to go for me, we all know he’s not going to change, and therefore neither will our results. 

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18 minutes ago, kenneth_kenobi said:

2 of the goals today were the direct result of stuffing about in our own half. 

It is so self defeating. All Russell Martin has to do is cut that out of our game and we would be relatively competitive. If I had to be ultra critical, it is his own vanity that stops him.

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28 minutes ago, kenneth_kenobi said:

2 of the goals today were the direct result of stuffing about in our own half. 

It is literally every single game

the manager is a busted flush in this league and must be replaced ASAP

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On 04/10/2024 at 12:31, Saint_clark said:

I just realised there is no way they'll sack him before the international break because they have that charity game arranged Saints legends V "Martins legends". 

Have to admit it'll be rather entertaining to see a team of Saints players who made their name playing direct attacking football and being solid at the back take apart a side of the players who Martin thinks played his football style 

18 minutes ago, adrian lord said:

Everton (H) or Wolves (A) will be the guillotine gam

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9 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

They’ll leave it too long like they did with Ralph, and then fuck up with their choice of replacement anyway.

I think it already is.  I think statistically we have to be sitting on like 8 points by 11 games to have hope!

 

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5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Agree he needs to be sacked, but that's only half the job. Who's going to come in? Moyes and Potter are out of reach so we need to be doing some proper due diligence on who comes in. 

You'd like to think the club are ahead of the game and have realistic targets should they get rid of him...

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20 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Agree he needs to be sacked, but that's only half the job. Who's going to come in? Moyes and Potter are out of reach so we need to be doing some proper due diligence on who comes in. 

There are only 20 managerial jobs available in the richest league on the planet so we should be able to bring in someone solid and experienced. Palace successfully did it with Roy on a rolling contract when they sensibly got rid of de Boer after his short disastrous 4 game start a few years back. 

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18 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

You'd like to think the club are ahead of the game and have realistic targets should they get rid of him...

You’d have thought that after they finally belatedly got rid of Jones. But they promoted another out of his depth replacement in Selles (not to mention his useless replacement we have now). We don’t even have a proper Wilcox replacement (who himself was clueless).

Basically we’re f*cked with the current clowns in charge. 

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3 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

It would be negligent of the ownership to allow Martin take charge against Leicester.

He has to go now.  Let’s get a new manager In and give him a couple of weeks with the squad.

Disagree. He got the tactics right today. 

If we play like we did against Ipswich and take our chances, we'll win.

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15 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

You’d have thought that after they finally belatedly got rid of Jones. But they promoted another out of his depth replacement in Selles (not to mention his useless replacement we have now). We don’t even have a proper Wilcox replacement (who himself was clueless).

Basically we’re f*cked with the current clowns in charge. 

The occassional good points you make get diluted by the baseless crap.

"Finally, beleatedly" got rid of Jones...after an 8 game tenure.

When Jones went we tried and failed to get Jesse Marsch. Our situation was glaringly obvious so I doubt loads of great options were available in reality.

Selles "useless replacement" being the manager who achieved promotion.

Jason Wilcox being "clueless"...fill us in on what that is based on aside from something tenuous like he was here when we signed Ross Stewart? He was part of one season that resulted in a promotion and clearly made a lot of off field change that is difficult to immediately judge befofe being head hunted by Man Utd who could have prettt much got anyone they wanted. Seemingly within football circles he is extremely well regarded.

Sport Republic clearly have made some errors but go after the right stuff at least!

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We have to be realistic. Based on last season, as the play-off winners, we're the 20th best team. The only relegation rival we've faced is Ipswich, and we should've won that game. If we fuck up against Leicester, Wolves, Everton, then we're in trouble and should look at changes. Martin isn't going to be sacked any time before then I'm sure. He's a young manager, learning all the time, yes I wish we had more points but I genuinely don't think we're a million miles off, if we can beat Leicester we'll move up the table quickly.

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1 minute ago, Pamplemousse said:

That's on the players.

Thats partly true, it’s the manager who decides the tactics and he wants the players to kick it round endlessly between the defenders. How many goals have we conceded this season because the defenders eventually make a misplaced pass and the opposition counters on that? 

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1 hour ago, adrian lord said:

Everton (H) or Wolves (A) will be the guillotine games.

I have no doubt the club are absolutely determined to piss these easier games away with Martin in charge rather than make a change before.

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20 minutes ago, Dusic said:

The occassional good points you make get diluted by the baseless crap.

"Finally, beleatedly" got rid of Jones...after an 8 game tenure.

When Jones went we tried and failed to get Jesse Marsch. Our situation was glaringly obvious so I doubt loads of great options were available in reality.

Selles "useless replacement" being the manager who achieved promotion.

Jason Wilcox being "clueless"...fill us in on what that is based on aside from something tenuous like he was here when we signed Ross Stewart? He was part of one season that resulted in a promotion and clearly made a lot of off field change that is difficult to immediately judge befofe being head hunted by Man Utd who could have prettt much got anyone they wanted. Seemingly within football circles he is extremely well regarded.

Sport Republic clearly have made some errors but go after the right stuff at least!

8 game tenure when after 4 games it was clear to everyone and their dog he was out of his depth. So yes his sacking was much too late. They also spent tens on millions on players for his style, then sacked him shortly after. They could’ve used the window for a new manager. We lost a number of winnable games because of that.

DM is a useless replacement who has a worse record than the aforementioned Jones. And his record prior to his hire has mediocre at best, with all his teams having terrible defensive records. And Wilcox was a major decision maker in that appointment (along with Rasmus I believe, although others disagree on that). So yes, he was clueless too. And how are Utd doing with Wilcox?

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33 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

We have to be realistic. Based on last season, as the play-off winners, we're the 20th best team. The only relegation rival we've faced is Ipswich, and we should've won that game. If we fuck up against Leicester, Wolves, Everton, then we're in trouble and should look at changes. Martin isn't going to be sacked any time before then I'm sure. He's a young manager, learning all the time, yes I wish we had more points but I genuinely don't think we're a million miles off, if we can beat Leicester we'll move up the table quickly.

We were a million miles off against Bournemouth. Maybe only 100 miles off today. When he does get things right (like playing TP up front) it’s usually because he has no choice and exhausted all options.

His tactics against Bournemouth was a sackable offense just by itself, even without all the other debacles in previous matches.

I think the players have shown that many have the ability to compete against the lower half teams and have a decent chance of finishing 17th or higher. But not with RM. 

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1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Agree he needs to be sacked, but that's only half the job. Who's going to come in? Moyes and Potter are out of reach so we need to be doing some proper due diligence on who comes in. 

I think you’re right re Potter who has turned down Ajax and has got his eye on  bigger clubs than us (based on his chat on Sky on Monday night I think he thinks he’d have a shot at the Man Utd job). 

Why do you think Moyes would be out of reach though, out of interest? 

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1 hour ago, Dark Munster said:

8 game tenure when after 4 games it was clear to everyone and their dog he was out of his depth. So yes his sacking was much too late. They also spent tens on millions on players for his style, then sacked him shortly after. They could’ve used the window for a new manager. We lost a number of winnable games because of that.

DM is a useless replacement who has a worse record than the aforementioned Jones. And his record prior to his hire has mediocre at best, with all his teams having terrible defensive records. And Wilcox was a major decision maker in that appointment (along with Rasmus I believe, although others disagree on that). So yes, he was clueless too. And how are Utd doing with Wilcox?

They clearly should never have appointed Jones, but they did and got rid of him after 8 games. The main error was appointing him in the first place and nobody will disagree there!

Martin got promoted so I think he compares pretty well to Jones in terms of what he has achieved here - even if he were fired tomorrow.

Wilcox - tasked to hire a manager to change style and get promoted. Achieved it, so hardly "clueless".

He has been at Utd 5mins so what they are doing is irrelevant in terms of judging him at this point, especially as he isnt the decision maker.

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2 hours ago, Dusic said:

When Jones went we tried and failed to get Jesse Marsch. Our situation was glaringly obvious so I doubt loads of great options were available in reality.

Sport Republic clearly have made some errors but go after the right stuff at least!

This is the part I don't understand. How can a group that targeted Jesse Marsch end up appointing Russell Martin?

From what I've seen of Marsch's style he's very high on getting the ball forward ASAP with diagonal passes, runs "in behind", width and pace. It's exhilarating to watch, he gets total "buy-in" from the really talented and less talented players, and all of them improve. He scared the crap out of the South American teams, including the Argies, in Copa America.

So why did Marsch turn us down, and how the hell did we end up hiring his polar opposite? I have a feeling that the explanations for both might just lead back to Rasmus and his fixation with player metrics.

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I think RM is learning, it might be too slow, but I can see it.

If you think of the team he put out vs Newcastle... there are many differences.  Small bone, Armstrong, Diaz are no longer starters.  Aribo has sat a few matches. 

There have been some more direct play, especially with ramsdale.

The point being, minor adjustments have been made... TP played today and it was because of the injury... but he could have put on Diaz. 

The problem is the playing from the back and crap defenders... let's be honest,  when Bednarek was loaned to Villa, everyone here, hoped it would be permanent. 

The fact that he's our most reliable defender now, is also to blame for our issues... not just RM.

I still think he's not the right manager for this team, but he's showing a glimpse that he might be able to change.

 

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