Russell Martin

[Saint86]

2 hours ago, egg said:

Correct. He was unproven at this level. He didn't cut the mustard with England under 21's. Nothing he'd done screamed that he was a good idea and a better option than the likes of Broja who'd done it on the PL.

We can all rate people with hindsight. 

Plenty of people didn't need hindsight mate. And on that subject, how are people still going on about Broja like he is a reliable prem striker? 8 Goals in 66 matches (0.12 goals per game).

Edited October 1 by Saint86

[Whitey Grandad]

Agreed. I didn’t need hindsight to know that his idea of football was going to be found out.

[OldNick]

I slowly warmed to him, but had my doubts I think the euphoria of Wembley was the main factor. I called his football kaleidoscope , pretty patterns but for no real use.

In the semi final of the ply offs he gave me hope that he would be pragmatic and non play his rigid system. 

It annoys me how he has ABK and Tall Paul and doesn't even try and utilise them, all because his footballing thoughts are against aerial attacks. 

I have argued in his favour the last few weeks as it really is too soon, but the brain fart team selection last night was alarming. To blame the players not trying and not tackling, christ Oliver was likely to book one of ours for any excuse, therefore we could easily have gone down to 10 if we had.

Interesting all the players interviews I heard was them saying the same thing, dont blame the manager and we lacked fight. Were they told to say that

[Chris cooper]

I’ve got two tickets for me & my nipper Saturday at the arse .. he lives in Bristol & we do as many away games as we can. 
He’s not been to the emirates so we decided to do it this season.

I’m full of dread 😟 & can see a 7 or 8 nil incoming…last night’s team selection had us beaten before we even kicked a ball .. 5 strikers on the bench , dibling as striker .. no lallana.. or Kwp ..starting Fraser 🤦🏻

So we are both in agreement that after the tonking this weekend coming ..David moyes should get the job.

West Ham are now seeing why he should still be their manager.

To make things worse I’m on a night shift Friday night in Fawley refinery & finish at 6am .. then 8:33 train from soton central to Waterloo .

why am I still doing this to myself .🤦🏻nippers 1st game was Leeds at home in the championship in 2008 .. 3-0 up with 20mins to go .. anyone remember wot happened next ? Yep you guessed it 3-4 loss .. & he still follows saints 😂😂wot did I do to him 😂.

[Elmore Saint]

Some thoughts on last night...

Started well and played some nice (and effective) football - however, once Bmuff cottoned on to this, they went in heavier and we were bullied out of many, later any, forward runs hence shutting us off from the creative route. 

Total naivety for the first goal - just bread and butter attention required. This is on RM and the coaches to get an "always-on" mentality instilled. Madness

Deflected goals are always put down to "one of those things" - but we seem to be getting a lot of these against us in the last couple of seasons (statisticians please on this) - is that we are poorly coached again and not (albeit, not quite) in the right positions? Coaches again...

Then the attitude totally went and we allowed them to waltz in for the third. Did anyone else see the lingering camera shot on Ramsdale after this? If he could be beamed off to anywhere else, he'd have taken it... He could read the lack of effort in front of him. it showed. Attitude - and again, one for the coaches and performance people to get right.

The consolation goal was only achieved given that they totally came off the gas with the game well gone. Even then we largely looked bereft and second best. 

I'm done with the giving up on games and seemingly no attention to the basics. Being switched on, Positioning and Attitude.

Martin looked cooked and needs to go if he hasn't lost the dressing room already, but with the clowns above I have little faith in what comes next. Can Dragan even see it with the shysters blowing smoke up his arse, for him to fully clear the decks? or maybe get a taxi along with the others?

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, Chris cooper said:

I’ve got two tickets for me & my nipper Saturday at the arse .. he lives in Bristol & we do as many away games as we can. 
He’s not been to the emirates so we decided to do it this season.

I’m full of dread 😟 & can see a 7 or 8 nil incoming…last night’s team selection had us beaten before we even kicked a ball .. 5 strikers on the bench , dibling as striker .. no lallana.. or Kwp ..starting Fraser 🤦🏻

So we are both in agreement that after the tonking this weekend coming ..David moyes should get the job.

West Ham are now seeing why he should still be their manager.

To make things worse I’m on a night shift Friday night in Fawley refinery & finish at 6am .. then 8:33 train from soton central to Waterloo .

why am I still doing this to myself .🤦🏻nippers 1st game was Leeds at home in the championship in 2008 .. 3-0 up with 20mins to go .. anyone remember wot happened next ? Yep you guessed it 3-4 loss .. & he still follows saints 😂😂wot did I do to him 😂.

I don't think Moyes would be interested, and the players we have are not the type he usually purchases - not big or physical enough. 

There is nothing attractive about the job - a squad of uninterested and low confidence Championship players, fans who get on the Managers backs very quickly and no money. Why would he want to come here? 

Edited October 1 by Farmer Saint

[egg]

3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

So does Arry 

Is Betfair a charity? 

[egg]

1 hour ago, Saint86 said:

Plenty of people didn't need hindsight mate. And on that subject, how are people still going on about Broja like he is a reliable prem striker? 8 Goals in 66 matches (0.12 goals per game).

You're not persuading me that you'd seen anything in Delap that made you confident that he'd do well in the PL. It's hindsight.

[tdmickey3]

Jesus Christ is he still here, utterly out of his depth at this level and it’s plain to see.

WTF are SR doing, madness carrying on like this with this stubborn, tactically clueless man.

I notice only one of the 3 fan boys is on here talking rubbish, where are the other 2? 

[Saint Fan CaM]

58 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I don't think Moyes would be interested, and the players we have are not the type he usually purchases - not big or physical enough. 

There is nothing attractive about the job - a squad of uninterested and low confidence Championship players, fans who get on the Managers backs very quickly and no money. Why would he want to come here? 

An ex-Prem Manager with a high level of experience, albeit with no significant success (e.g. titles) out of work for quite some time, if offered a contract to the end of the season with a decent bonus on Prem survival? Not sure, but surely he might be tempted?

That would be an ideal scenario in my opinion - give SR / the club time to ponder over ‘what next’…breathing and planning space.

Edited October 1 by Saint Fan CaM

[qwertyell]

Trying to make head or tail of last night's tactics.

All I can imagine is that Russell had too long to think about the game - and therefore his own genius - and so came up with that fucking nonsense. He couldn't help it. It's his calling. Superpower, some might say. Him.

Leaning back in his posturepedic pleather office chair on Friday, both hands behind his head, a chuckle to himself, and "you've only bloody reinvented football again, Rusty."

Two midfielders as strikers were simultaneously a hindrance to our attacking threat yet offered no extra cover for our defence. It was absolutely futile. Literally pointless.

"I hope they remember to thank me."

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

I don't think Moyes would be interested, and the players we have are not the type he usually purchases - not big or physical enough. 

There is nothing attractive about the job - a squad of uninterested and low confidence Championship players, fans who get on the Managers backs very quickly and no money. Why would he want to come here? 

If he's worried by this he'll never work again.

[Disco Stu]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

I don't think Moyes would be interested, and the players we have are not the type he usually purchases - not big or physical enough. 

There is nothing attractive about the job - a squad of uninterested and low confidence Championship players, fans who get on the Managers backs very quickly and no money. Why would he want to come here? 

He would do better with this squad solely for the fact he knows how to organise a defense. ABK would be straight back in the fray and  Ugochukwu strikes me as his sort of signing. I don't think he would be interested in the job either but we would be the tamest fanbase he'd ever of had to contend with.

Edited October 1 by Disco Stu

[Badger]

25 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

An ex-Prem Manager with a high level of experience, albeit with no significant success (e.g. titles) out of work for quite some time, if offered a contract to the end of the season with a decent bonus on Prem survival? Not sure, but surely he might be tempted?

That would be an ideal scenario in my opinion - give SR / the club time to ponder over ‘what next’…breathing and planning space.

Only one man.

In the words of a Madness song “ There’s a man I know, at least I used to years ago..”

 

“Proper football club…, f’sure”

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

4 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Russell’s next line up 100% confirmed:

Ramsdale;
Walker-Peters, Harwood-Bellis, Bednarek, Stephens, Manning;
Downes, Aribo;
Dibling, Stewart, Armstrong

I can just see it after his dig towards some of the newer signings. 😂

Suppose one piece of good news is Stephens can't play against Arsenal and Leicester.

Still couldn't quite believe having five strikers on the bench yesterday...and none on the pitch to start. What was RM thinking?

[bpsaint]

Be awkward if he’s sacked before that Saints Legend game in a couple of weeks. 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, OldNick said:

I slowly warmed to him, but had my doubts I think the euphoria of Wembley was the main factor. I called his football kaleidoscope , pretty patterns but for no real use.

In the semi final of the ply offs he gave me hope that he would be pragmatic and non play his rigid system. 

It annoys me how he has ABK and Tall Paul and doesn't even try and utilise them, all because his footballing thoughts are against aerial attacks. 

I have argued in his favour the last few weeks as it really is too soon, but the brain fart team selection last night was alarming. To blame the players not trying and not tackling, christ Oliver was likely to book one of ours for any excuse, therefore we could easily have gone down to 10 if we had.

Interesting all the players interviews I heard was them saying the same thing, dont blame the manager and we lacked fight. Were they told to say that

They would say that, wouldn't they. 

[Badger]

5 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Be awkward if he’s sacked before that Saints Legend game in a couple of weeks. 

Perhaps it could be rebranded and marketed as Saints Legends XI V Russell Martin's Bellends XI. 

[Midfield_General]

Why do people keep going on about some poxy charity match, like it has any bearing on anything? 

Who gives a fucking shit

Edited October 1 by Midfield_General

[Harry_SFC]

1 minute ago, Midfield_General said:

Why do people keep going on about some poxy charity match, like it has any bearing on anything? 

Who gives a fucking shit

Exactly. One of the most tinpot reasons not to sack a manager I've ever heard. 

[bpsaint]

Just now, Harry_SFC said:

Exactly. One of the most tinpot reasons not to sack a manager I've ever heard. 

Said it would be awkward, not that it’s not a reason to not sack him. After all  match against a Russell Martin XI without Russell Martin would be a strange scenario.

[Midfield_General]

2 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Said it would be awkward, not that it’s not a reason to not sack him. After all  match against a Russell Martin XI without Russell Martin would be a strange scenario.

Anyone could pick a Russell Martin XI.

Just put five centre forwards on the bench with no recognised striker on the pitch, drop a top quality full-back, freeze out a German international, make Stephens captain, force them to play out regardless of how much they're being pressed, substitute four of them at once on 60 minutes and then throw them all under the bus afterwards. 

There you go. I'll do it. Now we can sack him without worrying about who will manage this all-important fixture. 

[Whitey Grandad]

26 minutes ago, Badger said:

Perhaps it could be rebranded and marketed as Saints Legends XI V Russell Martin's Bellends XI. 

Legends vs Leg Ends

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

I don't think Moyes would be interested, and the players we have are not the type he usually purchases - not big or physical enough. 

There is nothing attractive about the job - a squad of uninterested and low confidence Championship players, fans who get on the Managers backs very quickly and no money. Why would he want to come here? 

As manager in the short-term, it’s not so inviting, granted. But if he was replacing Wilcox’s role for two years after that, either mentoring Lallana or his own selection as head coach, that could be more inviting than a mere managerial gig. And great from our perspective if it finally kicks Rasmus out of any involvement with SFC. Moyes or someone like him is what’s needed to inject that UK football industry know how SR have sorely lacked. 

[Dark Munster]

8 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

You aren’t the majority fella 😂 You’re some people on an internet message board who have whipped yourselves into a frenzy and convinced each other you’ve cracked football and the solution is so so simple. Like Dibling starting up front for example.

[Wade Garrett]

44 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Be awkward if he’s sacked before that Saints Legend game in a couple of weeks. 

Who gives a fuck?  

[Dellyears]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

I don't think Moyes would be interested, and the players we have are not the type he usually purchases - not big or physical enough. 

There is nothing attractive about the job - a squad of uninterested and low confidence Championship players, fans who get on the Managers backs very quickly and no money. Why would he want to come here? 

Its just not true that we have a squad of uninterested and low confidence Championship players. They are underperforming, certainly but that is where good managers and coaches are at their best. The squad is young-mostly- with a career to shape. The ownership is ready to invest. A manager is more likely to want a Club with potential than a Club at the top,. And Moyes knows that better than most. Anyway, he wouldn't be my first choice, Potter is.

[derry]

30 minutes ago, Dellyears said:

Its just not true that we have a squad of uninterested and low confidence Championship players. They are underperforming, certainly but that is where good managers and coaches are at their best. The squad is young-mostly- with a career to shape. The ownership is ready to invest. A manager is more likely to want a Club with potential than a Club at the top,. And Moyes knows that better than most. Anyway, he wouldn't be my first choice, Potter is.

Potter had a long stint last night on Sky after the match where his career was discussed and he expounded his philosophies. He came over as extremely intelligent and clear.

[Tommy Mulgrew]

Calling gio; calling gio.  Are you out there?  I hope you are not ill and are well enough to post on here.  I know several dozen people who are hoping to hear from you.  I, for one, am interested in what you have to say. 🫣 🤞

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Midfield_General said:

Why do people keep going on about some poxy charity match, like it has any bearing on anything? 

Who gives a fucking shit

If it made the slightest bit of difference Ten  Hag , Gary O Neil & Dyche would be arranging one now.
 

“Think of the charity”, bunch of fucking Nods…..I’ll start a whip round  if it means sacking Lego. 

Edited October 1 by Lord Duckhunter

[Oldandtired]

For those who still don’t believe the difference good managers can make I give you Havertz.
 

Going nowhere at Chelsea, reinvented and reinvigorated under Arteta. It makes me wonder how well some of the players, usually inventive, creative players that Martin didn’t rate, would have done under a halfway decent manager.

[Give it to Ron]

4 hours ago, Chris cooper said:

I’ve got two tickets for me & my nipper Saturday at the arse .. he lives in Bristol & we do as many away games as we can. 
He’s not been to the emirates so we decided to do it this season.

I’m full of dread 😟 & can see a 7 or 8 nil incoming…last night’s team selection had us beaten before we even kicked a ball .. 5 strikers on the bench , dibling as striker .. no lallana.. or Kwp ..starting Fraser 🤦🏻

So we are both in agreement that after the tonking this weekend coming ..David moyes should get the job.

West Ham are now seeing why he should still be their manager.

To make things worse I’m on a night shift Friday night in Fawley refinery & finish at 6am .. then 8:33 train from soton central to Waterloo .

why am I still doing this to myself .🤦🏻nippers 1st game was Leeds at home in the championship in 2008 .. 3-0 up with 20mins to go .. anyone remember wot happened next ? Yep you guessed it 3-4 loss .. & he still follows saints 😂😂wot did I do to him 😂.

Just to advise if not aware it’s buses from Central to Park Way

[Morse]

A new manager picking the right players to play in the right positions, and getting the ball forward quicker, might be enough to see us scrape 17th place. But until we sort out our laughable recruitment department, no manager is going to flourish at SMS. 

[Lighthouse]

17 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

For those who still don’t believe the difference good managers can make I give you Havertz.
 

Going nowhere at Chelsea, reinvented and reinvigorated under Arteta. It makes me wonder how well some of the players, usually inventive, creative players that Martin didn’t rate, would have done under a halfway decent manager.

Like who?

[FarehamSaintJames]

The problem is teams know all they need to do is press us. And equally teams know they don’t need to press us that intently because we’ll over-pass the ball to death, make a mistake and the opposition latch on.

As long as the opposition are patient we’re so easy to play against.

We've been very predictable to watch for a number of years, and thanks to this I’ve made probably a couple of grand betting against the club in recent years.

😂

[ally_uk]

Time for Dragan to grow a set of spuds and instill a experienced manager and director of football and bed in a new football philosophy across the board which doesn't have us trying to emulate Man City....... 

Also can somebody explain what the actual fuck last night's line up actually was about? Am I missing something here ? Must win game right? What do you need goals? I Know let's not play strikers..... what a absolute doughnut 🤣🤣🤣 it's comical it really is..... 

 

 

[chiknsmack]

7 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Like who?

Alcaraz was clearly our best player in the last six months of the relegation season, then Martin comes in and he's suddenly not good enough for the Championship.

[tdmickey3]

Keeping him is an act of negligence by SR.

Fools messing with our club, not sure why Dragan is allowing this utter stupidity with his money

Edited October 2 by tdmickey3

[Highfield Saint]

Look at Aston Villa. We were on a par with them and they appointed a manager who has taken them to a level we can’t imagine 

they acknowledge the difference is down to that appointment, that moment 

Sliding doors moment for us

[skintsaint]

11 minutes ago, Highfield Saint said:

Look at Aston Villa. We were on a par with them and they appointed a manager who has taken them to a level we can’t imagine 

they acknowledge the difference is down to that appointment, that moment 

Sliding doors moment for us

With a net spend of I think it was around £110m in players over the last two seasons.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Keeping him is an act of negligence by SR.

Fools messing with our club, not sure why Dragan is allowing this utter stupidity with his money

But who are you bringing in? Not having a manager lined up to take over is probably more negligent and the match was Monday (and that is the game that will probably have pushed them to look). 

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Highfield Saint said:

Look at Aston Villa. We were on a par with them and they appointed a manager who has taken them to a level we can’t imagine 

they acknowledge the difference is down to that appointment, that moment 

Sliding doors moment for us

We were not on a par with them - they are a much bigger club than us with much more money. We would never have attracted Unai Emery. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

We were not on a par with them - they are a much bigger club than us with much more money. We would never have attracted Unai Emery. 

When they appointed Emery, I know I had a moment wondering why that couldn't be us. But only a moment.

As soon as they survived their first season back, they've looked to operate at a different level. They are the ones looking to change PSR to invest more, rather than the false economies SR operate under.

[Suhari]

Nothing really in the press about RM being under pressure, SR looking at options/giving a vote of confidence etc.

Presumably they are putting out feelers. I'd be even more pissed off if they're not.

[tdmickey3]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

But who are you bringing in? Not having a manager lined up to take over is probably more negligent and the match was Monday (and that is the game that will probably have pushed them to look). 

If they haven't been monitoring the availability of other managers after this utter mess of a start, then that is equally negligent

[Saint Fan CaM]

Has he gone yet? 🧐

[danjosaint]

Unfortunately he isn't going anywhere soon 

[Pamplemousse]

Our best hope is that somehow he learns. He isn't that stupid to realise we have to change how we play to even have a chance of getting anything from the next two away games, Arsenal and Man City. And if he does insist on playing the slow, dour, possession stuff and we get tonked, then the blame will no longer be on Martin, but shift to that wanker Rasmus and whoever else is responsible at the top.

[Saint Scott]

Stating the obvious, poor source but...

 

[OldNick]

18 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

He would do better with this squad solely for the fact he knows how to organise a defense. ABK would be straight back in the fray and  Ugochukwu strikes me as his sort of signing. I don't think he would be interested in the job either but we would be the tamest fanbase he'd ever of had to contend with.

He didnt at Sunderland if my memory serves me right.