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Whitey Grandad

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11 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Win or not, I hope we stick with Russell Martin for next season.

You don’t finish fourth or score the most goals in the league by playing boring/crap football.

Subs questionable at times, but also player error on occasion. That isn’t on the manager.

Hope we stick with him.

You’re right, we didn’t. 
 

Maybe if our football had been less boring or crap we would have scored more.

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manji

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3 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

The same SR whose recruitment (players and managers) has been mostly disastrous, squandered £100 million, and got us relegated rooted at the bottom of the table last season?

How has it been a disaster ? Only because the likes of you want to be proved right. We have done amazingly well  after that inevitable relegation last season. As I’m continually saying it became a disaster when Joe Shields walked out on us. A completely unprepared Rasmus was placed in charge of recruitment. Dont worry about that he provides a great scapegoat for less intelligent. 
yes of course he made mistakes the £100 million keeps being quoted well we have achieved a lot despite that and clearly SR have been able to soak it up. Nowhere have I seen any evidence that the lost money hampers the team moving forward. 
I really don’t get the anti- RM , SR agenda ,wanting your club to do badly

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CB Fry

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16 minutes ago, manji said:

How has it been a disaster ? Only because the likes of you want to be proved right. We have done amazingly well  after that inevitable relegation last season. As I’m continually saying it became a disaster when Joe Shields walked out on us. A completely unprepared Rasmus was placed in charge of recruitment. Dont worry about that he provides a great scapegoat for less intelligent. 
yes of course he made mistakes the £100 million keeps being quoted well we have achieved a lot despite that and clearly SR have been able to soak it up. Nowhere have I seen any evidence that the lost money hampers the team moving forward. 
I really don’t get the anti- RM , SR agenda ,wanting your club to do badly

Where are you getting "inevitable relegation" from?

It wasn't "inevitable" at all. It was caused entirely by decisions made by Sports Republic. In thr summer, in December in January window, all them, all of it.

You can't start pretending they turned up snd saved us when they put us in the shit in the first place.

Not inevitable. Enough with the bullshitting, thanks.

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John B

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4 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Where are you getting "inevitable relegation" from?

It wasn't "inevitable" at all. It was caused entirely by decisions made by Sports Republic. In thr summer, in December in January window, all them, all of it.

You can't start pretending they turned up snd saved us when they put us in the shit in the first place.

Not inevitable. Enough with the bullshitting, thanks.

It may not have been inevitable but it was pretty obvious to me that we were going to be relegated with an inexperience team a crap goalkeeper no stand out striker and no experienced PL CB.

 

The squad was perhaps one of the worst top flight squads we have ever had 

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CB Fry

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2 minutes ago, John B said:

It may not have been inevitable but it was pretty obvious to me that we were going to be relegated with an inexperience team a crap goalkeeper no stand out striker and no experienced PL CB.

 

The squad was perhaps one of the worst top flight squads we have ever had 

Sports Republic took over in January 2022 so that squad was their squad, on their watch. Their decisions.

Their decision on sacking the manager, their decision on the replacement (and his replacement).

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20 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

If we win tomorrow I will be quite happy to have been proved wrong in predicting we wouldn't go up this season.

And what is your predition for next season?

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2 minutes ago, John B said:

And what is your predition for next season?

I will wait to see (1) which division we are playing in, and (2) what happens up to the close of the transfer window.

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Tommy Mulgrew

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Some interesting stats in the Sky analysis of the forthcoming game: our passing figures for the season are half sideways (50:50 left:right), quarter (just over) forwards and quarter (just under) backwards.  No wonder we have difficulty getting the ball up the pitch to threaten the opposition’s goal.  Whitey might find those stats accord with what he sees.  🙏

But, hang on a minute, are they stats?  Or are they facts?  😩

Phew, for a moment I thought that I had found some stats that he would accept.  Better luck next time, perhaps.

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Lighthouse

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I’d give him another go, regardless of what happens tomorrow. He’s taken us to the playoffs, and quite comfortably too (unlike Burley), then won the semi quite convincingly. Anything can happen in the final but overall I’d say he’s done a decent job here.

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John B

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1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

I will wait to see (1) which division we are playing in, and (2) what happens up to the close of the transfer window.

So you are no Mystic Meg then

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Whitey Grandad

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1 hour ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

Some interesting stats in the Sky analysis of the forthcoming game: our passing figures for the season are half sideways (50:50 left:right), quarter (just over) forwards and quarter (just under) backwards.  No wonder we have difficulty getting the ball up the pitch to threaten the opposition’s goal.  Whitey might find those stats accord with what he sees.  🙏

But, hang on a minute, are they stats?  Or are they facts?  😩

Phew, for a moment I thought that I had found some stats that he would accept.  Better luck next time, perhaps.

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Doesn’t surprise me.if you go round in circles you end up back where you started.

I would be very cautious about describing anything as facts. Always examine the source data. And then check it again. And again.

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Sir Ralph

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I think Martin has done a good job. Picked up a team in a mess and had to do surgery to it. Had a ropey start because of that but without that we would have been in the automatic slots. Having a manager with a distinctive style of play is good. Even if we don’t win tomorrow I would be confident of going up next year with him.

my main gripe is a lack of directness sometimes. When we do this at necessary points in the game we are good (WBA second half). I hope he encourages being direct with Leeds tomorrow at times

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2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Where are you getting "inevitable relegation" from?

It wasn't "inevitable" at all. It was caused entirely by decisions made by Sports Republic. In thr summer, in December in January window, all them, all of it.

You can't start pretending they turned up snd saved us when they put us in the shit in the first place.

Not inevitable. Enough with the bullshitting, thanks.

SR reaped what Gao had sown for the previous 3 years. We were fucked before SR rocked up. 

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CB Fry

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5 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

SR reaped what Gao had sown for the previous 3 years. We were fucked before SR rocked up. 

Yeah, let's just call that horseshit.

Nathan Jones was appointed and won one in eight and fucked our entire season. Appointed by Sports Republic. Selles finished the job, appointed by Sports Republic. With a squad assembled in the summer and January transfer windows by Sports Republic. Not Gao, Sports Republic.

In January 2022 we were higher placed in the league than (for example) Fulham, Bournemouth and Nottingham Forest. What we had "sown" was a Premier League club with a Champions League experirenced manager. That's what SR inherited.

What we then "reaped" was finishing below all three of those teams (and every team) in the league by May '23. Because of decisions made by Sports Republic on playing and coaching staff - they sowed it, we reaped it.

 

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26 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Yeah, let's just call that horseshit.

Nathan Jones was appointed and won one in eight and fucked our entire season. Appointed by Sports Republic. Selles finished the job, appointed by Sports Republic. With a squad assembled in the summer and January transfer windows by Sports Republic. Not Gao, Sports Republic.

In January 2022 we were higher placed in the league than (for example) Fulham, Bournemouth and Nottingham Forest. What we had "sown" was a Premier League club with a Champions League experirenced manager. That's what SR inherited.

What we then "reaped" was finishing below all three of those teams (and every team) in the league by May '23. Because of decisions made by Sports Republic on playing and coaching staff - they sowed it, we reaped it.

 

Believe what you like, fact is without Ralph the cracks would’ve shown a lot fucking earlier than they did. Gao was very fucking lucky to have Ralph. 

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badgerx16

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1 hour ago, John B said:

So you are no Mystic Meg then

Astrology is bunkum. If you ever have Mercury rising in Uranus you are in big trouble.

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CB Fry

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7 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Believe what you like, fact is without Ralph the cracks would’ve shown a lot fucking earlier than they did. Gao was very fucking lucky to have Ralph. 

Fuck knows what slam dunk point you think you are making.

Sports Republic inherited a club with Ralph Hasenhuttl.

They didn't inherit a hypothetical football club that you've made up in your own head.

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12 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Fuck knows what slam dunk point you think you are making.

Sports Republic inherited a club with Ralph Hasenhuttl.

They didn't inherit a hypothetical football club that you've made up in your own head.

SR inherited a club that had been seriously under invested in throughout Gao’s time. Gao himself lost c.25%. 

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7 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

SR inherited a club that had been seriously under invested in throughout Gao’s time. Gao himself lost c.25%. 

.....so the only course of action Sports Republic could possibly take is to sack Ralph and replace with Nathan Jones. The only players they could sign were the ones they did.

Do me a favour. Businesses, leaders make choices.

You might well think SR are all simply marvellous but the point is relegation was not "inevitable" it was a result of decisions made by Sports Republic who had, let's remember, arrived 7 months before that season started.

 

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32 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

.....so the only course of action Sports Republic could possibly take is to sack Ralph and replace with Nathan Jones. The only players they could sign were the ones they did.

Do me a favour. Businesses, leaders make choices.

You might well think SR are all simply marvellous but the point is relegation was not "inevitable" it was a result of decisions made by Sports Republic who had, let's remember, arrived 7 months before that season started.

 

Where have I said anywhere that SR are marvellous or words to that effect, you’re completely making it up. Just because I think they inherited a club in disrepair doesn’t mean I think they’re the best thing since sliced bread. Hopefully you can see the separation of the issues. 

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gio1saints

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I’m not sure what holding a whats now over a two year grudge about manager recruitment and transfer mistakes made by SR has got to do with Russell and what he’s done since he arrived - apart from highlight even more what a decent job he’s done in context of the shot show he inherited. 
He may be the poster boy of the current regime but he had nothing to do with recruiting Nathan Jones or buying those duff players. 
And, if this thread is turned into an anti-SR thread that’s ok - but surely if one is going to highlight their obvious fuck ups it’s fair to identify the good that’s happened also? And indeed to highlight that they actually seemed to learn from mistakes? Our loan window (s) for example very successful very astute. Plus recruiting RM and supporting him- very good decision if you like your football with lots of goals - which Saints fans traditionally always have! 

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CB Fry

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2 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Where have I said anywhere that SR are marvellous or words to that effect, you’re completely making it up. Just because I think they inherited a club in disrepair doesn’t mean I think they’re the best thing since sliced bread. Hopefully you can see the separation of the issues. 

The point was people saying our relegation was "inevitable" when it wasn't. It was a result of decisions made.

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1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

The point was people saying our relegation was "inevitable" when it wasn't. It was a result of decisions made.

Never said it was inevitable but equally it was hardly a surprise. SR were loyal to Ralph when many clubs would’ve sacked him in that summer. 
 

Anyway, old ground, easy to see both sides of the points being made. Hope your car is back on the road. 
 

Up the fucking Saints!!

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When we lost Stu, Martin was trying variations to get the midfield functioning. When Baz got injured, we needed more adjustments. To his credit, he switched it. Stephens, who had been given minutes across the team being really and prepared to step into the back 3.

Good man management and flexibility when he needed to change.

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Just now, Toadhall Saint said:

I like that he was able to be a bit more flexible in his approach- that show’s character and a willingness to learn.

Yep he's only 38. He's got 30 more years or so to hone his craft. You could see in our first game how different our playing style was as we passed Sheffield Wednesday to death. 

Granted possession football isn't for everyone if it doesn't have a point but for most of the season we've been playing without the first choice striker we purchased. I'll be interested to see how he gets on in the Premier League. He has my backing.

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RM got the tactics spot on today. Yes, we can play better football but we've now beaten Leeds 3 times this season with less possession than them. If we'd played our normal possession style we might well have lost.

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9 minutes ago, saintant said:

RM got the tactics spot on today. Yes, we can play better football but we've now beaten Leeds 3 times this season with less possession than them. If we'd played our normal possession style we might well have lost.

Yep. All the team were fucking magnificent off the ball, put a right bloody shift in. 
 

Clean sheets win finals 

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StrangelyBrown

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Fair play to Martin, he seems to be learning and adapting our approach now to the games ahead of us rather than religiously holding onto one way of playing.

Hopefully he can keep learning as there is a steep learning curve ahead next season, but I think he's earned himself a bit of time from us all to get the team up to speed and learn what it takes to get results in the top flight.

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They'll keep him for 5-10 games and see how it goes. If we struggle he'll be gone by end of October. Personally I think his style will really struggle in the prem.

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Well done Russ. Got it spot on again today. Leeds didn’t give us the chance to play our usual over-passing game and we looked better for it. Maybe this is the type of football we’ll have to play in the prem and I’d be happy with that. If RM can adapt Russball to suit the Premier League, I’m happy with him at the helm. If he reverts back to over-playing at the back, we’ll pay the price. 
 

Good luck in the prem RM. No-one can say you haven’t earned your chance. I’ll give you 10 games before I intervene and let you know where you’re going wrong.. or not, hopefully!

#We March On

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Well love him or loathe him, hate Russball, think he’s arrogant and stubborn, think he looks more like an LEGO haired Arne model than a football manager he has delivered what was asked. Hes tactics today were spot on and executed to perfection. He also seemed to have enough energy to celebrate despite being vegan. Maybe he’s not all bad after all. Well done Russell did what was asked and did it well 👏👏👏

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gio1saints

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 Good job he reckons he got so much love and support when he and saints most needed - as it means he doesn’t read this web forum thing 😀. 

Ref the team : A bunch of players are going out and a bunch of new players will be incoming. Hopefully the manager remains the same. Let’s see what our starting team is in a few months. 


I predict at least 6-7 changes to the starting eleven…and 10+ changes to the squad. 
 

FWIW : 

two new GK’s, two new FB’s, at least one new CB, at least one new CDM, at least two new playmakers, at least two new midfield/strikers and at least two winger/ strikers. 

 

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Shown a level of adaptability in the last four games that’s given me confidence going into next season.

It’s always been obvious he’d be able to create a togetherness and bring through the right personalities but I think he’s adapted tactically to be able to set us up for a decent return to the Premier League.

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