Russell Martin

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, West end Saints said:

I just went back to around the 3rd and 4th defeats, a funny read. 

It should be compulsory reading before being allowed to post on here! 

To be fair, a large number of the posts are talking about being unable to adapt the tactics and wishing for something simpler. It was around this time that he did change things and did what was asked which resulted in a remarkable turnaround. 

[CB Fry]

6 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

Pages 77-80 odd of this thread are a fantastic read. A football fan forum always knows best 😂😂

Too right. I remember some idiots on here saying that Nathan Jones will not be sacked by Sports Republic even if we got relegated because Nathan Jones was Sports Republic's choice and they will stick with him. Nathan Jones was here for the long term regardless of moaning forum supporters.

If it was down to those geniuses Russell Martin would not be our manager at all. It would still be the Welsh Wizard.

Some people, eh?

Edited 28 December, 2023 by CB Fry

[woodsaint1]

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

Too right. I remember some idiots on here saying that Nathan Jones will not be sacked by Sports Republic even if we got relegated because Nathan Jones was Sports Republic's choice and they will stick with him. Nathan Jones was here for the long term regardless of moaning forum supporters.

If it was down to those geniuses Russell Martin would not be our manager at all. It would still be the Welsh Wizard.

Some people, eh?

😂😂😂 its getting boring pal.

Surprised you havent been back through this thread to delete your posts. Some absolute whoppers - but thats hardly surprising given your track record. Might throw a few up for comical value

[woodsaint1]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

To be fair, a large number of the posts are talking about being unable to adapt the tactics and wishing for something simpler. It was around this time that he did change things and did what was asked which resulted in a remarkable turnaround. 

The forum knows best 😂😂 wise up fs

[CB Fry]

17 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

😂😂😂 its getting boring pal.

Surprised you havent been back through this thread to delete your posts. Some absolute whoppers - but thats hardly surprising given your track record. Might throw a few up for comical value

Post up what you like sweetheart.

Just remember as you look at the league table right now, that the man in charge is not the man you wanted in charge.

Sports Republic will stick with Nathan Jones even if we are relegated. They will. They will. They will. They will.

[gio1saints]

21 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

😂😂😂 its getting boring pal.

Surprised you havent been back through this thread to delete your posts. Some absolute whoppers - but thats hardly surprising given your track record. Might throw a few up for comical value

TBF all posters here just want Saints to do well and like a bit of banter ( actually that’s not 100% true- the hate mob actively abusing him, Saints and anyone who stuck up for the club back then know who they are and it was beyond vile) and the passion can overflow in the wrong way. 

When it gets to the point where loan players like Flynn are actually quoted at being in disbelief at some fan reactions at SMS and even RM noting the massive disunity at the club when he arrived you know this club was in bits back then. 
 

We all underestimated what a fucked up club we had back at start of season. To read the match day forums early doors since then you’d swear we’d just won the League and Cup double previous year not stank the place out week after week. Remarkable turnaround. 

 

 

[saintant]

8 hours ago, danjosaint said:

Well he didn't, he realised that certain things don't work, the inverted full backs for 1, playing too high and susceptible to getting countered from our own corners, soon as that was changed be it from him or help from coaching staff then we suddenly looked more solid, we could then work on his 'russball' but as we've seen it needs to be front footed and positive like the Blackburn/Swansea/ 1st half v Leeds not the slow passive shit, I get that if we're closing a game out but not for 70mins 

This is how I saw it as well. Fans were rightly concerned at how vulnerable we were on the break because RM played inverted full backs. Once he fixed that we gradually became much more solid and now we are seeing the real benefits including the ability to be more attacking. There are still periods when we overdo the possession but the signs are that we are addressing that making the football far more enjoyable to watch.

[CB Fry]

8 hours ago, danjosaint said:

Well he didn't, he realised that certain things don't work, the inverted full backs for 1, playing too high and susceptible to getting countered from our own corners, soon as that was changed be it from him or help from coaching staff then we suddenly looked more solid, we could then work on his 'russball' but as we've seen it needs to be front footed and positive like the Blackburn/Swansea/ 1st half v Leeds not the slow passive shit, I get that if we're closing a game out but not for 70mins 

Exactly. He has changed things and developed since that disasterous September.

The idea that he just stuck to the exact same rigid system he started with is nonsense. There was a nice amount of pinging it long on the diagonal on Boxing Day.

[sfc4prem]

Blimey, looking back at a couple of my posts. Embarrassing.

'Why prolong the inevitable?' I posted at one point during the 4-loss streak, regarding Russell being sacked!

Well, I'm glad my thoughts then have turned out as utter rubbish, and that Russell stayed after that blip.

In the first two months I remember commenting frequently on how easy we were to cut apart as a defensive unit. The Norwich, Sunderland and Leicester games spring to mind. Thankfully, now we seem sturdier and harder to cut through. Well done Russell.

[woodsaint1]

44 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Post up what you like sweetheart.

Just remember as you look at the league table right now, that the man in charge is not the man you wanted in charge.

Sports Republic will stick with Nathan Jones even if we are relegated. They will. They will. They will. They will.

The man I want in charge is what the club deem to be the best one for the job, which right now is RM. I thought they would they stick with Jones for longer, regardless of relegation. I was wrong and I've admitted that. Im not a fan of recycling managers at an alarming rate but the club made the right decision in the end.

The abuse and hate directed at RM on here after a bad run was embarrassing. He interited a team with a losing mentality, lack of confidence and lack of direction. It was always going to take time to learn a new way of playing and build the confidence back up. It might not last and our form might hit the skids, but the least we can do is get behind him and the team, especially when things arent going well. Theres some 'fans' who would probably enjoy us struggling, just so they can proclaim how they were right that RM wasnt the man for the job

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, woodsaint1 said:

The forum knows best 😂😂 wise up fs

Don't be a bellend you know exactly what I was saying. Pundits and fans were saying the same thing and Martin realised himself the need for change which is one reason we got a defensive coach in. I'm not suggesting that the fans moaning made him change, it was the shit results that did that. 

[hypochondriac]

41 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Exactly. He has changed things and developed since that disasterous September.

The idea that he just stuck to the exact same rigid system he started with is nonsense. There was a nice amount of pinging it long on the diagonal on Boxing Day.

And a couple of times where the keeper booted it long! 

[gio1saints]

It should have been pretty clear that judging at how easily Burnley won this league last year especially the second half that the PB football style could dajfu. - if we learned it well. 
 

We are still Learning judging by occasional mishaps but these are fewer and wider inbetween given this run. 
 

Big question is will more teams figure us out before end of season? That’s why I’ve been encouraged last two matches in particular not just by actually scoring from the chances we nake(!!!) but with sone of the tactical flexibility changes. 
RM switching KWP to left back and putting Bree RB for example, and last week playing JS at fb and KWP as winger. 
IF we go up and even if we don’t then it’s that kind of bespoke flexibility that will keep opponents guessing and always rea ring to us not other way around . 
 

RM may be “ finally listening to what the fans demanded / want “ now (🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣) or maybe now his team has learned the basics of FB there’s room for a little bit more variation. I’d like to think the latter. 
 

 

Edited 28 December, 2023 by gio1saints

[hypochondriac]

21 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

The man I want in charge is what the club deem to be the best one for the job, which right now is RM. I thought they would they stick with Jones for longer, regardless of relegation. I was wrong and I've admitted that. Im not a fan of recycling managers at an alarming rate but the club made the right decision in the end.

The abuse and hate directed at RM on here after a bad run was embarrassing. He interited a team with a losing mentality, lack of confidence and lack of direction. It was always going to take time to learn a new way of playing and build the confidence back up. It might not last and our form might hit the skids, but the least we can do is get behind him and the team, especially when things arent going well. Theres some 'fans' who would probably enjoy us struggling, just so they can proclaim how they were right that RM wasnt the man for the job

I want the person in charge who makes us successful. If the club deem the likes of Nathan Jones to be the best man for the job then they all need sacking because he was ridiculously unsuitable and that became obvious very quickly. The club aren't infallible clearly and the sooner they realised their mistake with him the better. 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

It should have been pretty clear that judging at how easily Burnley won this league last year especially the second half that the PB football style could dajfu. - if we learned it well. 
 

We are still Learning judging by occasional mishaps but these are fewer and wider inbetween given this run. 
 

Big question is will more teams figure us out before end of season? That’s why I’ve been encouraged last two matches in particular not just by actually scoring from the chances we nake(!!!) but with sone of the tactical flexibility changes. 
RM switching KWP to left back and putting Bree RB for example, and last week playing JS at fb and KWP as winger. 
IF we go up and even if we don’t then it’s that kind of bespoke flexibility that will keep opponents guessing and always rea ring to us not other way around . 
 

RM may be “ finally listening to what the fans demanded / want “ now (🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣) or maybe now his team has learned the basics of FB there’s room for a little bit more variation. I’d like to think the latter. 
 

 

RM may be “ finally listening to what the fans demanded / want “ now"

Is going to become one of those saintsweb myths that everyone definitely said when no evidence exists that anyone actually said it. 

[Charlie Wayman]

If Martin has the same success as Nigel then I hope the club treat him better next season than they did Nigel.

[Charlie Wayman]

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I want the person in charge who makes us successful. If the club deem the likes of Nathan Jones to be the best man for the job then they all need sacking because he was ridiculously unsuitable and that became obvious very quickly. The club aren't infallible clearly and the sooner they realised their mistake with him the better. 

Does it really matter any more. That was then, this is now. Enjoy what is happening and forget the past.

[gio1saints]

6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

RM may be “ finally listening to what the fans demanded / want “ now"

Is going to become one of those saintsweb myths that everyone definitely said when no evidence exists that anyone actually said it. 

I’m sry @Hypo not meant to imply you voiced that comment or that it’s been quoted here. It was a paraphrase of common sentiment. My misquote. 
 

@Charlie Wayman Good point though I actually think the reverse is just as likely. Ie he gets poached. 
I never would have thought it even ten games ago but RM is pretty damn vital/ fundamental to this winning squad and mentality. The belief and relationships he has engendered is enabling average players to play better and good players to really shine. And a feel good factor to be the mood feeling at the club. Long May it continue! 

[CB Fry]

55 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

The man I want in charge is what the club deem to be the best one for the job, which right now is RM. I thought they would they stick with Jones for longer, regardless of relegation. I was wrong and I've admitted that. Im not a fan of recycling managers at an alarming rate but the club made the right decision in the end.

 

If your worldview is always "the club know best" then I don't think you are in a particularly strong position to start mocking anyone else's opinion.

If the club had knee jerk sacked Russell Martin on September 30th you'd have been on here saying that was the correct thing to do because the club deem it to be so😂😂😂

Come back to me when you've developed a mind of your own....

Edited 28 December, 2023 by CB Fry

[Graffito]

Well done Martin. Lose four on the trot again and you go back to being a twat. 

[hypochondriac]

30 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Does it really matter any more. That was then, this is now. Enjoy what is happening and forget the past.

I am enjoying what is happening. I was responding to woodsaint1 who said that the manager he wants in charge is the one that the club deems good enough. Personally I don't think that's a good standard to judge a manager given the many mistakes we have made on that score in the past. Writing a response to a poster isn't not enjoying what is happening, I've been to all the festive games and loved them. 

[hypochondriac]

28 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

I’m sry @Hypo not meant to imply you voiced that comment or that it’s been quoted here. It was a paraphrase of common sentiment. My misquote. 
 

@Charlie Wayman Good point though I actually think the reverse is just as likely. Ie he gets poached. 
I never would have thought it even ten games ago but RM is pretty damn vital/ fundamental to this winning squad and mentality. The belief and relationships he has engendered is enabling average players to play better and good players to really shine. And a feel good factor to be the mood feeling at the club. Long May it continue! 

No problem mate thanks for the clarification. 

[woodsaint1]

34 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

If your worldview is always "the club know best" then I don't think you are in a particularly strong position to start mocking anyone else's opinion.

If the club had knee jerk sacked Russell Martin on September 30th you'd have been on here saying that was the correct thing to do because the club deem it to be so😂😂😂

Come back to me when you've developed a mind of your own....

Well the club know better than people like you, thats for sure.

You just said it yourself you idiot, knee jerk sacked RM. The only people who would have supported that move after 8/9 games of the season would have been the likes of you. You specialise in knee jerk reactions all because you likely decided you didnt want RM from day one. You and a few others could do with apologising to the likes of manji and Fabrice, ridiculed on here because they rightly thought the club should give RM time.

Jones is a different csse study - a guy who lost the run of himself with the mad pressers and post match comments. If RM reaches those depths then I'll happily call for him to be sacked

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, woodsaint1 said:

Well the club know better than people like you, thats for sure.

You just said it yourself you idiot, knee jerk sacked RM. The only people who would have supported that move after 8/9 games of the season would have been the likes of you. You specialise in knee jerk reactions all because you likely decided you didnt want RM from day one. You and a few others could do with apologising to the likes of manji and Fabrice, ridiculed on here because they rightly thought the club should give RM time.

Jones is a different csse study - a guy who lost the run of himself with the mad pressers and post match comments. If RM reaches those depths then I'll happily call for him to be sacked

Was that the case for Nathan Jones after 8/9 games?

[The Cat]

23 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Was that the case for Nathan Jones after 8/9 games?

Is Russell Martin still a "cretin"?

Why would you call someone that because a few results went wrong?

It's completely nonsensical.

[woodsaint1]

20 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Was that the case for Nathan Jones after 8/9 games?

Well actually no. We had beaten City in the League Cup, Palace in the FA Cup and Everton away in the league for the first time in however long after 9 games of Jones in charge. It rapidly went downhill after that though with the Brentford and Wolves games being particularly bad and his erratic post match comments getting out of hand

[West end Saints]

On 15/09/2023 at 20:20, Streaky said:

Sack him  

 

On 15/09/2023 at 20:21, AlexLaw76 said:

Waaaay waaay out of his depth

 

On 15/09/2023 at 20:24, sambosa75 said:

He’s a charlatan.  Talks a good game.  Certainly more polished in front of the media than NJ but his style of football and relentless commitment to pointless possession based dirge has blinded people. 

 

On 15/09/2023 at 20:51, AlexLaw76 said:

He is in way over his head.....waaaaaaay over his head

 

On 15/09/2023 at 20:54, stknowle said:

Sorry but this bloke is a useless, clueless cunt. SR gone done it again!!!

 

On 15/09/2023 at 21:31, AlexLaw76 said:

Called it with Nathan Jones, and the same here. 

The man is way out of his depth. His set up is an embarrassment, and will get no where near the playoffs

 

On 15/09/2023 at 21:39, Saint NL said:

this idiot has to go

 

On 15/09/2023 at 21:45, stknowle said:

Oh don’t get me wrong he’s a nice bloke, far more likeable than Jones. But this is FAR more inept and at a lower level with greater resources. There is no scenario where this ends we’ll go for him or us. Just cut the losses, get him gone and start over yet again. 

 

On 15/09/2023 at 22:00, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Change the name of this thread to Russell Martin Out please

 

On 15/09/2023 at 22:09, saint lard said:

We were warned. 
it’s like Jones all over again. 
clueless and so many shortcomings it’s incredible. 
they didn’t even look like they were playing for him. 
he talks a good game,but shambolic in implementing it. 
same old same old. 

 

On 15/09/2023 at 22:10, stknowle said:

It’s so achingly obvious he isn’t ever going to cut the mustard. Nice bloke or not he ain’t ever cutting it. 

 

On 15/09/2023 at 22:12, Colinjb said:

He is a nice bloke. 

He cannot coach. 

Fuck off. 

 

On 15/09/2023 at 22:17, Kaiser Soze said:

Fucking shambles. Get the fuck out of our club you clueless cunt

 

On 15/09/2023 at 22:18, Dman said:

He's a terrible manager, his tactics are all over the place. He talks a good game but just tries to copy Pep. 

He wont change, so we need to if we have any asperation of going up (which I don't think we do tbh). 

 

 

On 15/09/2023 at 22:29, stknowle said:

No. No. No. No. No. 

Nobody will ever convince me this bloke isn’t massively out of his depth. He’s coming out with stupid stats like Mad Nate, just doing it in a nicer way. He just claimed this “was a much better game than against Sunderland, and there wasn’t much in it”

He has to go. 

 

On 15/09/2023 at 22:30, Chris cooper said:

Off you fuck Martin you clueless Cunt 

 

On 15/09/2023 at 22:32, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Needs to go now. Clueless chancer. Won't change needs the sack

 

On 15/09/2023 at 22:49, Wiggles31 said:

Terrible appointment. 

 

On 15/09/2023 at 22:57, LGTL said:

Fuck me Ralph would be a rolls royce compared to this idiot. Our appointments since him are an utter disgrace. 

 

On 15/09/2023 at 23:03, trousers said:

Forum regulars will know that, historically, I'm a pragmatist / benefit-of-the-doubt kinda guy, but after tonight I've seen enough.... Martin is quite clearly out of his depth and we need to replace with the likes of Graham Potter sharpish before it's too late.

However, given the recent Jason "everything is rosey" Wilcox interviews, the chances of anything changing are are slim to zero, alas...

 

On 15/09/2023 at 23:08, OttawaSaint said:

I hated this appointment the moment I heard passing around in our box.

 

Bin him!

 

On 15/09/2023 at 23:17, Katalinic said:

The third time now the owners/board have tried to be clever with an appointment and fucked it up.  

 

On 16/09/2023 at 00:50, Dark Munster said:

It's quite remarkable, isn't it? But there have been strong indications that RM was a Wilcox choice. SR and Rasmus W. Ankersen hid in the background while they let Wilcox introduce the new manager signing, implying he was chosen by Wilcox. But the club were after RM for quite a while, before Wilcox himself was appointed.

So I would really like to know, who was the "brains" behind choosing a mediocre lower league manager, with a poor defensive record, and no previous success? It screams of another Rasmus W. Ankersen hipster choice, desperately trying to find his new Thomas Bloody Frank, but hiding behind Wilcox for plausible deniability after his Jones debacle. I really hope this is the case, because if not, it means our "saviour" Wilcox is clueless and is definitely not the messiah.

 

On 16/09/2023 at 02:55, OttawaSaint said:

Still here?

Useless. He's taken a poor team and made them even worse. 

Start with the defence and work forward but this clown has made everyone forwards. Pillock, Pep wannabe. 

Fuck off!

 

37 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 

 

These are just a few shortened posts to highlight what I mean, but there were loads more, and they continued into our unbeaten run (CB Fry, you escaped as your dodgy ones were later and I got bored ) 

Fair enough to criticise and have doubts but the total writing off and name calling was over the top. 

Some have been big enough to accept they called it wrong. 

To be fair to RM this is how he saw it from the start, said the passing style and confidence would take a while, and it did. We looked so vulnerable passing at the back, worried all of us, but he had strength of character, and confidence in his players to persist and they do it brilliantly now. 

Of course he is continually tweaking, as he sees what works and what doesn't (eg full back positioning although it is still quite different than previous seasons) but the passing football, triangles, waiting for gaps, not panicking etc have all remained. 

He was clearly never out of his depth or a cunt! 

We all see it differently and hopefully all want the same. 

 

[AlexLaw76]

8 minutes ago, West end Saints said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These are just a few shortened posts to highlight what I mean, but there were loads more, and they continued into our unbeaten run (CB Fry, you escaped as your dodgy ones were later and I got bored ) 

Fair enough to criticise and have doubts but the total writing off and name calling was over the top. 

Some have been big enough to accept they called it wrong. 

To be fair to RM this is how he saw it from the start, said the passing style and confidence would take a while, and it did. We looked so vulnerable passing at the back, worried all of us, but he had strength of character, and confidence in his players to persist and they do it brilliantly now. 

Of course he is continually tweaking, as he sees what works and what doesn't (eg full back positioning although it is still quite different than previous seasons) but the passing football, triangles, waiting for gaps, not panicking etc have all remained. 

He was clearly never out of his depth or a cunt! 

We all see it differently and hopefully all want the same. 

 

Lets see if we get promoted. Not going up this season = failure on Russell

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, woodsaint1 said:

Well the club know better than people like you, thats for sure.

You just said it yourself you idiot, knee jerk sacked RM. The only people who would have supported that move after 8/9 games of the season would have been the likes of you. You specialise in knee jerk reactions all because you likely decided you didnt want RM from day one. You and a few others could do with apologising to the likes of manji and Fabrice, ridiculed on here because they rightly thought the club should give RM time.

Jones is a different csse study - a guy who lost the run of himself with the mad pressers and post match comments. If RM reaches those depths then I'll happily call for him to be sacked

Except you've just told us you support whatever the club deem is right, so you would have supported sacking Martin if the club deemed it to be the right thing to do. Just like you defended Jones because the club told you to, and now defend his sacking because, er, the club told you to. Go you, such a free thinker.

Pretty certain I never called for Martin to be sacked, but his job was (and is) instant promotion back to the Premier League. That's what is expected of him.

[woodsaint1]

On 19/09/2023 at 22:09, CB Fry said:

When he got the job it was clear he had achieved nothing as a manager.

Nothing.

We are now seeing why.

Absolutely catastrophic appointment.

Never called for him to be sacked....but it was an absolutely catastrophic appointment. Lets just keep him in post for the banter. Good thing Wilcox etc did

[trousers]

32 minutes ago, West end Saints said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These are just a few shortened posts to highlight what I mean, but there were loads more, and they continued into our unbeaten run (CB Fry, you escaped as your dodgy ones were later and I got bored ) 

Fair enough to criticise and have doubts but the total writing off and name calling was over the top. 

Some have been big enough to accept they called it wrong. 

To be fair to RM this is how he saw it from the start, said the passing style and confidence would take a while, and it did. We looked so vulnerable passing at the back, worried all of us, but he had strength of character, and confidence in his players to persist and they do it brilliantly now. 

Of course he is continually tweaking, as he sees what works and what doesn't (eg full back positioning although it is still quite different than previous seasons) but the passing football, triangles, waiting for gaps, not panicking etc have all remained. 

He was clearly never out of his depth or a cunt! 

We all see it differently and hopefully all want the same. 

 

Yeah, it's amusing when posters slag off the manager or players when things aren't going well, only for them to improve in due course...  How's Stu getting on these days...? Madness that Martin keeps selecting him.... 

 

 

[Turkish]

37 minutes ago, West end Saints said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These are just a few shortened posts to highlight what I mean, but there were loads more, and they continued into our unbeaten run (CB Fry, you escaped as your dodgy ones were later and I got bored ) 

Fair enough to criticise and have doubts but the total writing off and name calling was over the top. 

Some have been big enough to accept they called it wrong. 

To be fair to RM this is how he saw it from the start, said the passing style and confidence would take a while, and it did. We looked so vulnerable passing at the back, worried all of us, but he had strength of character, and confidence in his players to persist and they do it brilliantly now. 

Of course he is continually tweaking, as he sees what works and what doesn't (eg full back positioning although it is still quite different than previous seasons) but the passing football, triangles, waiting for gaps, not panicking etc have all remained. 

He was clearly never out of his depth or a cunt! 

We all see it differently and hopefully all want the same. 

 

To be fair we were shambolic in that 4 game run, after all the #scartissue from previous seasons you cant blame people for knee jerk reactions. If i remember rightly if we hadn't beaten Leeds we'd have made a worse start than the season under Portlvelt when we went down and were skint, not having more resources than most other teams in the league. Martin has proved everyone wrong, he's turned it round and we look a really good side. Lets see if we keep it up

[Colinjb]

48 minutes ago, West end Saints said:

These are just a few shortened posts to highlight what I mean, but there were loads more, and they continued into our unbeaten run (CB Fry, you escaped as your dodgy ones were later and I got bored ) 

Fair enough to criticise and have doubts but the total writing off and name calling was over the top. 

Some have been big enough to accept they called it wrong. 

To be fair to RM this is how he saw it from the start, said the passing style and confidence would take a while, and it did. We looked so vulnerable passing at the back, worried all of us, but he had strength of character, and confidence in his players to persist and they do it brilliantly now. 

Of course he is continually tweaking, as he sees what works and what doesn't (eg full back positioning although it is still quite different than previous seasons) but the passing football, triangles, waiting for gaps, not panicking etc have all remained. 

He was clearly never out of his depth or a cunt! 

We all see it differently and hopefully all want the same. 

 

As one of those quoted, i'm happy to be wrong. But, I do not regret venting as I did at the time. We were in a very bad way, to cluster our four defeats so far this season into a single stretch must be unprecedented. Based on reading how he did at Swansea and the franchise I was worried from day one that he would be relentlessly dogmatic and single minded, it appeared to be the case at the time. Thank heavens he learned from it.

Edited 28 December, 2023 by Colinjb

[Harry_SFC]

15 minutes ago, trousers said:

Yeah, it's amusing when posters slag off the manager or players when things aren't going well, only for them to improve in due course...  How's Stu getting on these days...? Madness that Martin keeps selecting him.... 

 

 

Deary me 🤣

[trousers]

2 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

As one of those quoted, i'm happy to be wrong. But, I do not regret venting as I did at the time. We were in a very bad way, to cluster our four defeats so far this season into a single stretch must be unprecedented. Based on reading how he did at Swansea and the franchise I was worried from day one that he would be relentlessly dogmatic and single minded, it appeared to be the case at the time. Thank heavens he learned from it.

There's a remarkable lack of posts defending Russell Martin to the hilt in September from those who are now scoffing at those who were justifiably concerned at the time... Somewhat surprising given they obviously knew for certain that everything would work out fine...

[woodsaint1]

4 minutes ago, trousers said:

There's a remarkable lack of posts defending Russell Martin to the hilt in September from those who are now scoffing at those who were justifiably concerned at the time... Somewhat surprising given they obviously knew for certain that everything would work out fine...

Can you blame them for not voicing support in a sea of abuse? Fabrice was one who defended RM and was getting pelters from all angles. 

[miserableoldgit]

I saw one member of the Intelligensia referring to THB as Taylor Hardon Bellend after just his first two games, when he still wasn't quite fit. I despair......

[The Cat]

26 minutes ago, trousers said:

There's a remarkable lack of posts defending Russell Martin to the hilt in September from those who are now scoffing at those who were justifiably concerned at the time... Somewhat surprising given they obviously knew for certain that everything would work out fine...

There's plenty of people who didn't feel the need to call him or the board names though.

I was obviously unhappy with the 4 losses in a row but felt it pointless to try and defend him because the pile on wouldn't have been worth it. There's a pack mentality with people shouting others down if they have an opposing view. 

Sometimes it's best to wait until things pan out rather than go all out and state that someone is out of their depth and then end up looking silly when they prove they are anything but.

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, The Cat said:

There's plenty of people who didn't feel the need to call him or the board names though.

I was obviously unhappy with the 4 losses in a row but felt it pointless to try and defend him because the pile on wouldn't have been worth it. There's a pack mentality with people shouting others down if they have an opposing view. 

Sometimes it's best to wait until things pan out rather than go all out and state that someone is out of their depth and then end up looking silly when they prove they are anything but.

talking of nicknames hows Wankersen these days? 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

30 minutes ago, trousers said:

There's a remarkable lack of posts defending Russell Martin to the hilt in September from those who are now scoffing at those who were justifiably concerned at the time... Somewhat surprising given they obviously knew for certain that everything would work out fine...

It was never about defending him to the hilt. No one can have known with certainty that he would have been a success, just as no one could have known he would be a failure.

The point is that things can change in football and unless the circumstances are extreme, you can't judge a manager after 8 games or whatever it was. It's about understanding that football is unpredictable and that we need to have some humility about our understanding of it

Edited 28 December, 2023 by Ex Lion Tamer

[Chewy]

I so wish we’d lost the last 3 and could all unanimously call RM a cunt rather than this terrible infighting about when and if it’s the right time to call him a cunt.

Ruined my fucking Christmas.

Cunt

[miserableoldgit]

5 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

It was never about defending him to the hilt. No one can have known with certainty that he would have been a success, just as no one could have known he would be a failure.

The point is that things can change in football and unless the circumstances are extreme, you can't judge a manager after 8 games or whatever it was. It's about understanding that football is unpredictable and that we need to have some humility about our understanding of it

I agree. I saw posts saying that RM will not get us promotion because he has never got it before......forgetting of course that nobody gets promotion or wins a cup etc......until the first time that they do.....

[trousers]

48 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Can you blame them for not voicing support in a sea of abuse? Fabrice was one who defended RM and was getting pelters from all angles. 

Yeah, but surely the inevitable "told you so" badge-of-honour a month or so later would have more than made up for having to suffer the wrath of a few oiks on the internet?

[stknowle]

1 hour ago, Colinjb said:

As one of those quoted, i'm happy to be wrong. But, I do not regret venting as I did at the time. We were in a very bad way, to cluster our four defeats so far this season into a single stretch must be unprecedented. Based on reading how he did at Swansea and the franchise I was worried from day one that he would be relentlessly dogmatic and single minded, it appeared to be the case at the time. Thank heavens he learned from it.

Plus 1. 

*although W.E.S is correct in noting I and others shouldn't have called RM a cunt.

[notnowcato]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

There's a remarkable lack of posts defending Russell Martin to the hilt in September from those who are now scoffing at those who were justifiably concerned at the time... Somewhat surprising given they obviously knew for certain that everything would work out fine...

Yeah, those who were suggesting RM needs time during that rough patch of poor performances don't need to call it out, they also appreciate that they've been wrong on many other occasions and to accept that.... but some of personal shit posted on here behind the cloak of a pseudonym aligns this place with the likes of X and Facebook.

....awaits Trousers comeback having trawled through my posting history 😉

Edited 28 December, 2023 by notnowcato

[OttawaSaint]

How incredibly pompous to dig up quotes from those who were frustrated enough to voice concerns.

Yeah I didn't like him or his football, it was ineffective trash at first. Now it is becoming more effective because RM has learned and altered the tactics, shape, lineup etc. 

My mistake was that I was wrong in thinking he'd be too stubborn to learn and change it (like many of his predecessors).

In any case, jobs not done. I like the football a lot more now, still a few games where we fall back into the slow ponderous play. I have warmed to RM though because he uses every game, good or bad to learn.

Maybe come back and crow when we get promoted eh?

[notnowcato]

13 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said:

How incredibly pompous to dig up quotes from those who were frustrated enough to voice concerns.

Yeah I didn't like him or his football, it was ineffective trash at first. Now it is becoming more effective because RM has learned and altered the tactics, shape, lineup etc. 

My mistake was that I was wrong in thinking he'd be too stubborn to learn and change it (like many of his predecessors).

In any case, jobs not done. I like the football a lot more now, still a few games where we fall back into the slow ponderous play. I have warmed to RM though because he uses every game, good or bad to learn.

Maybe come back and crow when we get promoted eh?

The whole point of making mistakes is to learn from them.  We were told it was going to be bumpy, we were told there was much to change and it would take time - 9 games in and many posters were losing their shit.  

Still best part of half a season to go, we're looking very strong at the moment with a relatively healthy and competitive squad, a long way to go we'll need some luck along the way and sometimes results won't go our way (fucking Rotherham!!) but we're putting ourselves in a position to challenge and Ipswich will be looking over their shoulder at us and Leeds.

Up the fucking Saints!!

Edited 28 December, 2023 by notnowcato

[trousers]

23 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Yeah, those who were suggesting RM needs time during that rough patch of poor performances don't need to call it out, they also appreciate that they've been wrong on many other occasions and to accept that.... but some of personal shit posted on here behind the cloak of a pseudonym aligns this place with the likes of X and Facebook.

....awaits Trousers comeback having trawled through my posting history 😉

I certainly don't condone ad-hominen attacks on individuals. If I'm ever going to be critical then I endeavour to do it in a constructive manner, unlike certain others on here...

P..s. I'm far too busy defrosting a freezer with a hair dryer to trawl back through your posts at the moment, but duly noted for later...

 

Edited 28 December, 2023 by trousers

[The Cat]

19 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said:

How incredibly pompous to dig up quotes from those who were frustrated enough to voice concerns.

Many people voiced concerns in a normal way, but it was the others throwing around insults and name calling who are the ones who deserve to be called out.

Often the same people then embark on a long, tedious posting journey to try and back up their initial overreaction rather than apologising and admitting they were wrong.

[OttawaSaint]

That freezer is a cunt. Freezer out!