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coalman

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  On 22/12/2024 at 16:21, Lord Duckhunter said:

Frigging under 21 manager as well. Shocking indictment of Lego, and his ridiculous “process”. What was it he said “I’m not here to grind out results”. The Nods who defended him must be feeling very stupid now. 

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I think you'll find that result has everyone feeling vindicated. Those that supported Martin will say nothing has changed. Those that didn't will say we showed some fight.

BarberSaint

BarberSaint

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  On 22/12/2024 at 16:21, Lord Duckhunter said:

Frigging under 21 manager as well. Shocking indictment of Lego, and his ridiculous “process”. What was it he said “I’m not here to grind out results”. The Nods who defended him must be feeling very stupid now. 

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They'll be too busy nodding along.

(to something, something, something).

 

Midfield_General

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The main difference was that despite playing poorly (because we're a poor side), we were still in the game with 80 mins on the clock because we hadn't gifted them a few goals to see us out of it by half time. We could easily have nicked something from those corners at the end, despite not deserving it. 

Everyone knows that if you set up to defend competently, you always have a chance at getting something out of a game, whether you deserve it or not. But that basic concept is something that Martin has apparently never understood, because he doesn't believe in outdated concepts like 'grinding out results to get your team points'. 

It's such an utterly bizarre mindset. Thank god he's gone. 

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egg

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  On 22/12/2024 at 15:58, Turkish said:

Well in less than a week Rusk has got us looking far more solid than Rusty ever did 

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Yep. He couldn't and didn't give the players any self belief.

I heard recently how Lallana spoke up in the dressing room earlier in the season and told the players that there was as much talent in there as Brighton had, and that they had to believe in themselve and give a bit more.  The tactics asked of them set them up to fail though, but  the performances today and against Liverpool, will help massively in that respect. 

As Duck says, the fact that the under 21 manager has done more in a week than RM did all season says it all. 

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bangkoksaint

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If we’d just paid a bit more money/salary and got Delap in, or similar and sacked Russ 10 games ago we’d actually have a decent chance of staying up. Unfortunately it’s too little too late.

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  On 22/12/2024 at 16:39, bangkoksaint said:

If we’d just paid a bit more money/salary and got Delap in, or similar and sacked Russ 10 games ago we’d actually have a decent chance of staying up. Unfortunately it’s too little too late.

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2 different issues. 

Delap, for me, did not look like the answer based on last seasons performances. Archer looked a better option for me. Regardless, RM wouldn't have got a tune out of Delap anyway. 

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hypochondriac

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  On 22/12/2024 at 16:39, bangkoksaint said:

If we’d just paid a bit more money/salary and got Delap in, or similar and sacked Russ 10 games ago we’d actually have a decent chance of staying up. Unfortunately it’s too little too late.

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We had a bid accepted for Delap and he chose Ipswich because they wanted him more. I don't believe it was to do with money. 

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goodymatt

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  On 22/12/2024 at 22:13, hypochondriac said:

We had a bid accepted for Delap and he chose Ipswich because they wanted him more. I don't believe it was to do with money. 

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We tried to buy this guy in multiple windows over a 3 year period. Ipswich offered bigger wages, so he chose them. Getting Ed Sheeran on a Zoom call was not the difference.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 22/12/2024 at 22:13, hypochondriac said:

We had a bid accepted for Delap and he chose Ipswich because they wanted him more. I don't believe it was to do with money. 

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They got Ed Sheeran to speak to him to get him over the line as he is a fan. Liam is probably less of a fan of Copycats on TVS on Saturday nights in the eighties, so Mike Osman not quite the same star power.

 

His record at Stoke wasn't that great so he could have easily signed for us and we'd hate him anyway.

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beatlesaint

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He’ll get a job in the Championship, the Premier League will be a fair few years of learning not to be so bloody stubborn away cos at the moment if he went somewhere, got them up this season or next then their fate will be the same as ours.

tdmickey3

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  On 24/12/2024 at 08:53, beatlesaint said:

He’ll get a job in the Championship, the Premier League will be a fair few years of learning not to be so bloody stubborn away cos at the moment if he went somewhere, got them up this season or next then their fate will be the same as ours.

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He wont get a team promoted from Championship unless he has one of the best squads like he did with us, his teams always concede lots of goals as we know.

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Gingeletiss

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  On 24/12/2024 at 09:16, tdmickey3 said:

He wont get a team promoted from Championship unless he has one of the best squads like he did with us, his teams always concede lots of goals as we know.

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Change his stubborn philosophy a little, and he might do someone a good job.

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derry

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  On 22/12/2024 at 22:13, hypochondriac said:

We had a bid accepted for Delap and he chose Ipswich because they wanted him more. I don't believe it was to do with money. 

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Apparently he's a big Ed Sheeran fan and big Ipswich fan Sheeran came in and talked to him about Ipswich so he signed there.

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saintant

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Presume he's still sifting through the pile of job offers he's received from elite clubs all over the world keen to indulge in his vanity project.

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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  On 28/12/2024 at 20:30, SaintNewForest said:

He aint getting any better than that

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Plymouth it is. He probably wants Norwich - chance their Danish manager gets the push with them drifting 12th, 8 points off the play offs.

Some of their more clued in fans have noted this season’s tactical clusterfuck so not sure it will be the love-in he hopes if it happened. 

CB Fry

CB Fry

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WBA won't pay him the Prem wage we'll be paying him and will continue to pay him. So he'll cream off that for a few more months before he goes back in.

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Doctoroncall

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  On 28/12/2024 at 17:58, saintant said:

Presume he's still sifting through the pile of job offers he's received from elite clubs all over the world keen to indulge in his vanity project.

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Coaches such as Arteta, Iraola and Emery play variations of the Guardiola model – flexibility and adaptability are in vogue.

seems he missed the memo… more here with Russell mentioned regarding flaws are inevitable. 

Tommy

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  On 29/12/2024 at 08:42, Cabrone said:

Nothing personal but bottom half of the championship is his level. He'd do an OK job down there.

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Play offs and promotion is clearly his level having achieved it. 

CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 29/12/2024 at 09:51, Tommy said:

Play offs and promotion is clearly his level having achieved it. 

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Lots of managers do that once (Many of whom subsequently get dismissed as shit by the geniuses on here).

Martin will do well to get another job at a just-relegated rich Championship club so is likely he will have to go again at an established Championship club - as he did at Swansea.

BarberSaint

BarberSaint

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  On 29/12/2024 at 11:00, Midfield_General said:

When was he contracted until (i.e. when are we paying him until)? 

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2 1/2 years left.  Unless Norwich comes up, he'll drag it out.  He might then wait for him. As for his level; it's nowhere. His 'style' is wholly dependent on the strength of his playing squad: he never achieves more so he's probably on a hiding to nothing.

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SW5 SAINT

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If he drags it out for 3 years, he will be forgotten and unemployable at the end of it. Though I can’t now see him getting a better offer than the WBA one. Although I’m led to believe he has a very high opinion of himself and may well be waiting for Real Madrid, PSG or even replacing Pep at Man City if results don’t improve there….!

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