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Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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10 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

But one of the favourites in 40 years of supporting? That's a bit of a stretch if you ask me. 

Yeah, if you look at Pardew, Adkins, Koeman, Poch, and Strachan, plus that Hassenhuttl season where we went on a mad run the second half to fly up the league away from relegation you've got, 10 years of seasons that were better than that one. Hell I'd argue the Burley season in the playoffs was more entertaining. 

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sledger

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another fallout of martins game is the players arnt as fit as they could be,watch bournemouth play,super fit,get the ball forward quickly and when they lose it work there socks off to defend and get it back

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Harry_SFC

Harry_SFC

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2 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Yeah, if you look at Pardew, Adkins, Koeman, Poch, and Strachan, plus that Hassenhuttl season where we went on a mad run the second half to fly up the league away from relegation you've got, 10 years of seasons that were better than that one. Hell I'd argue the Burley season in the playoffs was more entertaining. 

It certainly wasn't as good as the championship promotion season under Adkins. 

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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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2 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Yeah, if you look at Pardew, Adkins, Koeman, Poch, and Strachan, plus that Hassenhuttl season where we went on a mad run the second half to fly up the league away from relegation you've got, 10 years of seasons that were better than that one. Hell I'd argue the Burley season in the playoffs was more entertaining. 

Burley scraped into sixth with three wins late in the season, then choked the playoffs to the worst team ever to be promoted. Last season was far better.

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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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7 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Ahem...

Derby were worse than us. They weren’t even that good in the Championship, they just sh*thoused every team they played.

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EBS1980

EBS1980

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Is THB the only player to have come out on social media and said something about Martin going?? Seems odd given how well liked he apparently was.

tdmickey3

tdmickey3

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1 minute ago, EBS1980 said:

Is THB the only player to have come out on social media and said something about Martin going?? Seems odd given how well liked he apparently was.

What did he say.... "gonna miss his hugs"

Pilchards

Pilchards

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1 hour ago, sledger said:

another fallout of martins game is the players arnt as fit as they could be,watch bournemouth play,super fit,get the ball forward quickly and when they lose it work there socks off to defend and get it back

You get some snippets from insiders and they will tell you the same thing.

Gone are the days where they would have hell Wednesday where players would throw up after doing zone runs.

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trousers

trousers

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14 hours ago, PortugalSaint1 said:

I see it’s possible that Mourinho may be free.  Also, the Switzerland manager has never had chance to manage in the Prem, Murat Yakim.  Yakim seems to be a mover and shaker.

## 'Interesting' First Post Klaxon ##

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Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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7 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Burley scraped into sixth with three wins late in the season, then choked the playoffs to the worst team ever to be promoted. Last season was far better.

I had more fun watching us under Burley than under Martin by far. 

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RedArmy

RedArmy

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2 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

I had more fun watching us under Burley than under Martin by far. 

Nonsense. That unbeaten run and multiple injury time winners was fun. If you can’t enjoy a season like that just stop watching football. 

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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1 hour ago, RedArmy said:

Nonsense. That unbeaten run and multiple injury time winners was fun. If you can’t enjoy a season like that just stop watching football. 

That wasn't football. And it wasn't fun.

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FarehamSaintJames

FarehamSaintJames

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Last season was great. The football was largely good, but because we were the dominant team that’s what made it fun.

Teams feared us because we effectively played in their third of the pitch.

Anyone that says last season wasn’t fun is in denial and just has something against Russell Martin.

This season hasn’t been fun, because he hasn’t deviated and tried to use his players to their strengths.

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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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5 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

I had more fun watching us under Burley than under Martin by far. 

Agree to disagree I guess. Numerically, last season was 12 points and 10 goals better than 06/07, I always felt like we were in a fight with three decent teams, rather than just scraping into the mix at the end, like Burley's team did. My combined team would probably be:


Bazunu

KWP Baird THB Bale

Downes Pele

Armstrong Surman Skacel

Rasiak

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Tommy Mulgrew

Tommy Mulgrew

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1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

because we were the dominant team that’s what made it fun

 

1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Anyone that says last season wasn’t fun is in denial and just has something against Russell Martin.

I can understand why some fans would think that watching their side dominate possession against plenty of inferior teams and scoring lots of goals, many in extra time or late in the game, was fun.  I have nothing against Martin and I am not in denial.  I thought most of our games last season were slow, boring and tedious, even when we won.  To me it was the polar opposite of fun. And watching us conceding so many unnecessary goals against so many opposing teams was not fun either.

We disagree, I’m afraid, FSJ.

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Harry_SFC

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8 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

 

I can understand why some fans would think that watching their side dominate possession against plenty of inferior teams and scoring lots of goals, many in extra time or late in the game, was fun.  I have nothing against Martin and I am not in denial.  I thought most of our games last season were slow, boring and tedious, even when we won.  To me it was the polar opposite of fun. And watching us conceding so many unnecessary goals against so many opposing teams was not fun either.

We disagree, I’m afraid, FSJ.

There were some "fun" games at home. Blackburn, Swansea, Wednesday etc but so many of our away games were very mundane against generally poor opposition. 

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Tommy Mulgrew

Tommy Mulgrew

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1 minute ago, Harry_SFC said:

There were some "fun" games at home. Blackburn, Swansea, Wednesday etc but so many of our away games were very mundane against generally poor opposition. 

That’s why I included the word “most”.

Osvaldorama

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Has anyone checked on giosaint?

 

Hope you’re ok now Russell Martin’s footballing dynasty has faltered. Just a temporary glitch. He’ll be back to rewrite football history somewhere soon enough 

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Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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6 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Has anyone checked on giosaint?

 

Hope you’re ok now Russell Martin’s footballing dynasty has faltered. Just a temporary glitch. He’ll be back to rewrite football history somewhere soon enough 

Reincarnation as gioreading?

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coalman

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There definitely aspects of our play that improved under Martin. The club was a mess when he walked into it. Though the club is also a mess as he departs it.

When he ran into his limitations he made no effort to learn or adapt. By the end it seemed more like a cult than a club where everyone was keen to say how it was working and about a long term plan.

And boy does Russell Martin have limitations as a manager. His refusal to play out quickly. The high risk no reward passing around the back. The lack of fitness. The favouritism. The insistence on lightweight midfields. The excuses. The best pals approach.

After the Leeds final I thought he had it in him to adapt but it turns out he didn't. He leaves behind a team that's unfit and infected with his losing mentality. Whoever comes in next has a big job on.

On the plus side he'll never need to work again. Somehow I suspect some mugs will hire him. 

As for Saints the same clowns who oversaw this shit show are still in place. Rasmus continues his mission to bankrupt Dragan. Who, I suspect, is getting a bit cheesed off with it all now.

mistakesdemotivator.jpeg

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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7 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Has anyone checked on giosaint?

 

Hope you’re ok now Russell Martin’s footballing dynasty has faltered. Just a temporary glitch. He’ll be back to rewrite football history somewhere soon enough 

All part of the plan. Martin might not be the manager for us now, but that's only because we weren't quite ready for it yet. A caretaker coming in, just to get us a few points before we go down, and then we'll be looking for an up and coming manager with a beard, a philosophy and a Rasmus mandated bad spell behind him. That, and continuing to build the squad to better suit next time...

#trusttheprocess #tenyearplan

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obelisk

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2024/dec/18/southampton-at-a-crossroads-after-wasting-precious-time-under-martin?CMP=share_btn_url

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supporters were starting to lose faith in Martin’s possession-based style as early as September as Southampton quickly became favourites to finish bottom of the Premier League and return to the Championship only a season after promotion

Even earlier than that for some of us.

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Bushey Saint

Bushey Saint

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I have just re-read some of the posts from the beginning of this thread - May 23 before Martin was appointed.  The warning signs were writ large, even then.  What we did was exchange one (overly) committed follower of a belief system for another.

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aintforever

aintforever

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8 hours ago, obelisk said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2024/dec/18/southampton-at-a-crossroads-after-wasting-precious-time-under-martin?CMP=share_btn_url

Even earlier than that for some of us.

"In the space of 16 matches, Southampton players have committed 11 errors leading directly to an opposition goal, and a further 16 that resulted in an unconverted shot by their opponents. To put that first figure in perspective, Brentford’s 10 errors leading to goals were the most by any team in the division across the entirety of last season."

That is just mental. 

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saintant

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36 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Has he gone yet?

More importantly, has he got another job yet? Some thought the big boys of Europe would be queuing up for his services.

RedArmy

RedArmy

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16 minutes ago, saintant said:

More importantly, has he got another job yet? Some thought the big boys of Europe would be queuing up for his services.

He’ll be replacing Pep at City any day now. 

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Badger

Badger

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Just now, Midfield_General said:

My money's on Plymouth after they sack Shrek

Wouldn't wish Lego on them. Although preferable to 'Shrek' as you call him.

Secret Site Agent

Secret Site Agent

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1 hour ago, saintant said:

More importantly, has he got another job yet? Some thought the big boys of Europe would be queuing up for his services.

Yes

 

He's got a job in a Musical Youth tribute band 

He can't sing

He can't play an instrument 

But he knows how to pass the Dutchie on the left hand side.

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Chewy

Chewy

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2 hours ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Has he gone yet?

Well, he has in the traditional way of looking at these things. But if you look at the situation tactically and look at the right set of statistics, he’s still in charge

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SWLondon Saint

SWLondon Saint

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1 hour ago, lambtiss said:

Russell Martin’s Southampton philosophy was a self-defeating brand of stupidity

 

https://apple.news/ADKj8AtuNSDyXACWHipGzoA

Harsh but pretty fair. Nice compilation of his greatest hits there:

He picked midfielder Flynn Downes as a centre-back against Liverpool and he passed the ball to Dominik Szoboszlai for the opener. His penalty taker against Manchester United was Cameron Archer, who had never scored a spot kick in his career, and not Ben Brereton Diaz, who had never missed one. Archer duly failed from the spot at 0-0 and Saints lost 3-0. Martin’s chosen captain was Jack Stephens, who was sent off for an awful lunge at Alejandro Garnacho, collected a further two-match suspension for calling the fourth official a “c***”, returned and was red-carded in the 5-1 hammering by Chelsea for pulling Marc Cucurella’s hair. A Championship-standard defender, Stephens will be banned for nine games by Christmas.

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Suhari

Suhari

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4 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

Harsh but pretty fair. Nice compilation of his greatest hits there:

He picked midfielder Flynn Downes as a centre-back against Liverpool and he passed the ball to Dominik Szoboszlai for the opener. His penalty taker against Manchester United was Cameron Archer, who had never scored a spot kick in his career, and not Ben Brereton Diaz, who had never missed one. Archer duly failed from the spot at 0-0 and Saints lost 3-0. Martin’s chosen captain was Jack Stephens, who was sent off for an awful lunge at Alejandro Garnacho, collected a further two-match suspension for calling the fourth official a “c***”, returned and was red-carded in the 5-1 hammering by Chelsea for pulling Marc Cucurella’s hair. A Championship-standard defender, Stephens will be banned for nine games by Christmas.

But, but...... bravery; and being so close. Etc.

Where are his fan boys now? A sudden absence of some posters.....

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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4 hours ago, Crab Lungs said:

I agreed with every word that article said.

Very accurate. Also when reading that it is incredible how many fans still backed him as recently as last week!!!

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St. Ciervo

St. Ciervo

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1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Very accurate. Also when reading that it is incredible how many fans still backed him as recently as last week!!!

Ill give you credit, you said this would be shite all last year.

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