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CSA96

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53 minutes ago, Saint Gifford said:

Joey Barton come on………….

Listen up, they reckon next manager is likely to be a Foreign Coach, not a Fucking Cunt.

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gurru991

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1 hour ago, southamptonfc said:

A pontless sacking. Whoever replaces him will be relegated and likely be sacked as well in Summer. Should've saved the money (that we don't have) and waited till Summer.

I don't think it is pointless.. Leicester were rock bottom in  2014/ 15  for four-and-a-half months between late November and mid-April, but finished 14th in the Premier League, securing another top flight season. The club managed to put together a run of seven wins from their last nine fixtures to survive comfortably.

It's not over until it's over. !!  Who knows what a good manager could achieve ...

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CylonKing

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Saw the 0-5 about 10 mins from the end and have only just checked back in to see something sensible has finally happened. What's WGS up to these days? We need a grafter now, a Dyche type to play a way to our players strengths and not a philosophy. I'm not fussed about staying up, just beating the Derby total...seeing as I'm in Nottm. Everyone here wants us to beat that total!

LegalEagle

LegalEagle

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3 hours ago, BotleySaint said:

Great news. But makes you wonder why they've hung on so long. He should have gone weeks ago and now we are surely too far adrift.

Should have been sacked in the summer

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southamptonfc

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3 hours ago, gurru991 said:

I don't think it is pointless.. Leicester were rock bottom in  2014/ 15  for four-and-a-half months between late November and mid-April, but finished 14th in the Premier League, securing another top flight season. The club managed to put together a run of seven wins from their last nine fixtures to survive comfortably.

It's not over until it's over. !!  Who knows what a good manager could achieve ...

The world's best manager couldn't get 20 goals from Armstrong, Archer and Tall Paul combined. We are 100% relegated already. Feel free to qupte me on that at the end of the season!

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gurru991

gurru991

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8 minutes ago, southamptonfc said:

The world's best manager couldn't get 20 goals from Armstrong, Archer and Tall Paul combined. We are 100% relegated already. Feel free to qupte me on that at the end of the season!

You have a window coming up !!!       Three good acquisitions could turn it around !!!

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AlexLaw76

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Let’s be straight, Forest at home was a dire warning of him being out of his depth; confirmed at Bournemouth.

the number of goals conceded should be of no surprise… he cannot set a team up to routinely keep it tight!

I never particularly rated him last season and wanted him gone ages ago, the fact he is an arrogant tosser makes this all a little easier !

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Convict Colony

Convict Colony

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I could see the club going for someone like rohl.

Worked here before, also at bayern and national team etc and doing ok with weds who were even more of a basket case than us, knows the championship and even relegated we would be a step up.

Saw someone to X say he had admirers in the boardroom but we were likely to go more foreign next which in that case i like the look of the santa clara manager vasco matos who currently sit 4th in the league, likes to have a tight defence and nick goals https://totalfootballanalysis.com/head-coach-analysis/vasco-matos-santa-clara-202425-tactical-analysis-tactics

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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25 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Let’s be straight, Forest at home was a dire warning of him being out of his depth; confirmed at Bournemouth.

the number of goals conceded should be of no surprise… he cannot set a team up to routinely keep it tight!

I never particularly rated him last season and wanted him gone ages ago, the fact he is an arrogant tosser makes this all a little easier !

It was obvious he should have been sacked after Bournemouth, giving a competent replacement 30 to 32 games to try and keep us up, when we weren't cut adrift.

But the club bottled it and the "chop and change never works" brigade got their wish, because Russell Martin.was going to learn and grow and turn into Alex Ferguson and no other manager on earth could do better.

 

Since then 4 points from 10 matches and relegation guaranteed before Christmas. 

Maybe Chopping and changing would not have been so bad after all, because sticking with the idiot was a total disaster.

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lambtiss

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5 hours ago, gurru991 said:

I don't think it is pointless.. Leicester were rock bottom in  2014/ 15  for four-and-a-half months between late November and mid-April, but finished 14th in the Premier League, securing another top flight season. The club managed to put together a run of seven wins from their last nine fixtures to survive comfortably.

It's not over until it's over. !!  Who knows what a good manager could achieve ...

Even, if a new manager fails to keep us up, which is likely, at least we could go into next season in the Championship with positive momentum. A decent run will also give the players something to cling on to, rather than desperate to flee a sinking ship.

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lambtiss

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The correct decision but far too late. I think the majority of Saints fans wanted a replacement after the Bournemouth shitshow. 

RM was at fault for his inability to change his possession obsession (although, personally, I feel that he just wasn't up to the job). 

However, the real culprits here are Sports Republic who gave him far too much rope. They should be the main focus of our criticism as their decision not to sack him earlier 1) gives a new manager almost no chance of keeping us in the PL and 2) reduces the list of managers who would be interested in the job. 

So, this is a plea to SR to sort out the management structure that has led to poor managerial decisions and equally poor transfer dealings. The clock is reset, it is now time to get it right. 

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sambosa75

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That’s the best news I could have hoped to wake up to.  Now to rid ourselves of Ankerson and bring in common sense football people to get this club back on the right track.

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Farmer Saint

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22 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Can we afford it

It depends what gets agreed with the severance package - some are up front and some are paid over time. If up front I'd expect us to have to sell in January (or sell before the start of next season - so a quick sale along the lines of Fofana's at Leicester).

Turkish

Turkish

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1 hour ago, gurru991 said:

You have a window coming up !!!       Three good acquisitions could turn it around !!!

Given our transfer history success Hit rate we’d need to sign 30 players to get 3 good ones 

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Mr X

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1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Let’s be straight, Forest at home was a dire warning of him being out of his depth; confirmed at Bournemouth.

the number of goals conceded should be of no surprise… he cannot set a team up to routinely keep it tight!

I never particularly rated him last season and wanted him gone ages ago, the fact he is an arrogant tosser makes this all a little easier !

This for me was his downfall... Results on the pitch were terrible but he could have been honest & shown a little humility and self reflection.... Instead blame everyone... Players.... Fans.... Those not understanding the process 

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austsaint

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43 minutes ago, sambosa75 said:

That’s the best news I could have hoped to wake up to.  Now to rid ourselves of Ankerson and bring in common sense football people to get this club back on the right track.

Yes, the second of your sentences is just as important as the first.   There has to be a credible DoF brought in as well as the new Manager.   At Prem level Martin was hopelessly exposed.  He also demonstrated a dogmatic belief in a fanciful style of Football which has only ever worked at this level with world class players.   Team selections, tactics, overrating of pet players and prickly, unauthentic press conferences built an inevitable demise which even a flawed, blinkered Sports Republic could ignore no longer.

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Farmer Saint

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1 minute ago, disconnect said:

Has Lucy binned him off too? Might help bring his ego down a few levels

Bit harsh to wish a man who's just lost his job to also lose his relationship isn't it?

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notnowcato

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20 minutes ago, Mr X said:

This for me was his downfall... Results on the pitch were terrible but he could have been honest & shown a little humility and self reflection.... Instead blame everyone... Players.... Fans.... Those not understanding the process 

To be fair he did take some blame whilst he was here. Towards the end it did seem like things were getting on top, from RM and the fans. 
 

Last season was refreshing, we needed that change, now we need someone who can take it forward with the constraints of the squad we have. 

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disconnect

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5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Bit harsh to wish a man who's just lost his job to also lose his relationship isn't it?

Well, it was kind of a joke - I don’t wish anything bad on him, just seemed increasingly arrogant this season! 

adrian lord

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7 minutes ago, BranfootsLoveChild said:

Just heard a Saints fan on Talksport suggest Roy Keane.....nope. Can't stand the bloke. Not exactly a proven manager either.

Agreed. A failure in management, hyped up by midwits who think he's amusing and like his psychopathy. Also, never short of a disparaging comment about Saints over the last 35 years. 

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Winnersaint

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14 minutes ago, BranfootsLoveChild said:

Just heard a Saints fan on Talksport suggest Roy Keane.....nope. Can't stand the bloke. Not exactly a proven manager either.

Saints fans on the radio tend not to be the sharpest knives in the drawer in my experience.

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LGTL

LGTL

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2 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

Saints fans on the radio tend not to be the sharpest knives in the drawer in my experience.

There was no need to add the ‘on the radio’ part of your sentence. 

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Mr Nimbus

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Not a popular opinion I know, but I like RM and defended him for a really long time. Was only after the Chelsea game and his blasé attitude to conceding which made me change my mind.

I will always be thankful for Wembley, same as I am whenever I see Pardew. Days like that are few and far between for clubs like us.

Going forward I just want a manager who can organise a defence. I am so, so tired of watching limp, stand offish defending.

I wouldn't mind Corberan with an eye on next season.

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trousers

trousers

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6 minutes ago, LGTL said:

There was no need to add the ‘on the radio’ part of your sentence. 

Agreed... It's those imbeciles that post on internet forums that you've really got to watch out for... ;)

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trousers

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28 minutes ago, BranfootsLoveChild said:

Just heard a Saints fan on Talksport suggest Roy Keane.....nope. Can't stand the bloke. Not exactly a proven manager either.

Agree... Lord D wouldn't be happy with a bloke that plays son-in-laws... 

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macca155

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2 hours ago, gurru991 said:

You have a window coming up !!!       Three good acquisitions could turn it around !!!

We need more of this, unrealistic opportunism.  Excellent

macca155

macca155

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29 minutes ago, John Boy Saint said:

Maybe when the “Special One” uttered post match the other week that maybe he should manage a team at the bottom of the table next - he was already being tapped up by SR! 🤪

I mean it's not happening obviously, but can you inagine Jose in charge. It would be an interesting and fun ride.

SW11_Saint

SW11_Saint

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43 minutes ago, BranfootsLoveChild said:

Just heard a Saints fan on Talksport suggest Roy Keane.....nope. Can't stand the bloke. Not exactly a proven manager either.

THB would love that!! 

saintant

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2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Let’s be straight, Forest at home was a dire warning of him being out of his depth; confirmed at Bournemouth.

the number of goals conceded should be of no surprise… he cannot set a team up to routinely keep it tight!

I never particularly rated him last season and wanted him gone ages ago, the fact he is an arrogant tosser makes this all a little easier !

Agree. And the post from the Swansea fan in which he shows his original post from the time Martin joined us is uncanny - everything he said was exactly spot on and things unfolded as he said they would. Like many of us have he claimed back then that Martin was a charlatan. I recall thinking at the time his post did ring loud alarm bells but put it down to the grumblings of a fan slagging off a departing manager but, in hindsight, how right he was. 

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musesaint

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I have never been a fan of Martin and I honestly believe that Saints were promoted last season despite him and not because of him - primarily as a result of Saints having one of the best squads in the Championship. The best managers are those who can adapt a team’s style of play to get the best out of the players they have. They also need to be the type of person who shows some humility and accountability when they’ve made mistakes. Look at Gaurdiola yesterday!  
 
Martin had one plan dominated by an increasingly irrational obsession with possession football at all costs. Part of me feels sorry that it has come to this - but then I think about some of Martin’s arrogant and self righteous interviews this season and I rapidly get over it.  Doubtless he can console himself with the £5m+ he walks away with. 
 
 
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Lighthouse

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3 hours ago, gurru991 said:

You have a window coming up !!!       Three good acquisitions could turn it around !!!

A good window for me would be selling five players and bringing in nobody. That way we'd at least set ourselves up for next season, with a few off the wage bill and a bit of money stashed away or used to pay off debt. KWP can be one of them, sell him cheap now rather than let him go free in summer. It's not like he's done much.

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obelisk

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2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

KWP can be one of them, sell him cheap now rather than let him go free in summer. It's not like he's done much.

Agreed. Prime position in the shop window.

LeBizzier69

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I get his time was up. I get it hasn’t worked this season. I get the fanbase wanting more.

I just don’t get the personal hatred towards RM. 
 

The bloke who sits two seats down from me, and no doubt is on here, got his season ticket (near me at least) about 5 years ago ish. When he moved there he spent his whole time singing loudly on his own and slagging off anyone who shouted any criticism of the side. “Support your fuckimg club, what’s wrong with you” etc.

last night he tried to stop the banner in the Northam going to the back (from halfway up) and then spouted hatred from then on.

Completely unnecessary. Fickle as fuck.

Always a tough ask, and yes the inability to have a plan b has cost us. But the abuse is bellendery at its finest.

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Saint_Ash

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Our squad is pretty shit now, next season I expect us to be without -

Ramsdale

THB

KWP

Downes

Fernandes

Dibling

Hopefully the leftovers will be decent enough to challenge in the Championship with a couple of additions, at least we'll make some money. 

 

ant

ant

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Last night was actually quite fun, in a way. Bit like a leaving party for a colleague that overstayed their welcome. 

The fanbase was almost wholly united - and in fine voice. Making it very clear that just because Martin needed to go, we're Saints through and through. 

Hilarious that Martin waved when asked by the crowd. 😆 And quite indicative that even with the tide against him, he never did 'get it'.

Unfortunately it says a lot that he slunk off at the end. Thanks for the promotion, Russell. And almost nothing since.

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ant

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15 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

I get his time was up. I get it hasn’t worked this season. I get the fanbase wanting more.

I just don’t get the personal hatred towards RM. 
 

The bloke who sits two seats down from me, and no doubt is on here, got his season ticket (near me at least) about 5 years ago ish. When he moved there he spent his whole time singing loudly on his own and slagging off anyone who shouted any criticism of the side. “Support your fuckimg club, what’s wrong with you” etc.

last night he tried to stop the banner in the Northam going to the back (from halfway up) and then spouted hatred from then on.

Completely unnecessary. Fickle as fuck.

Always a tough ask, and yes the inability to have a plan b has cost us. But the abuse is bellendery at its finest.

I took up that seat in 2010-11, actually.

And I wouldn't say my chanting last night was incongruous.

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