Russell Martin

[Lee On Solent Saint]

  On 04/12/2024 at 23:22, Fabrice29 said:

‘Fierce rivalry blah blah blah’. The players he worked with on a daily basis actively requested he was sacked. That’s the reality

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While are players absolutely love Martin. I think that tells you all you need to know about the difference between our squad and Leicester's

[trousers]

  On 04/12/2024 at 23:23, Fabrice29 said:

Do you really need me to explain why the manager Sheffield United bought in might be slightly different?

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Yes please Mr Snaddon...

Edited 4 December, 2024 by trousers

[Fabrice29]

  On 04/12/2024 at 23:25, Gloucester Saint said:

You have your view, I have mine. Sometimes a club and a manager aren’t right but the manager goes on to do well.

Whereas your mate has conceded a relegation amount of goals at three different clubs. Indicates he can’t organise a defence and team structure - bit of fundamental one.

The goals against at MK, Swansea, SFC beats blah blah blah. And Cooper’s record at Swansea kicks RM’s arse to boot.

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I love how people genuinely believe managers records will translate seamlessly to a new club without any regards for the people they’ll have to work with on a daily basis. 

Anyway, I think I said after the Wolves game that I’m sure we’ll find out soon enough whether it’s all one man’s fault and I’ll happily admit I was wrong when things miraculously improve under new management. 

Edited 4 December, 2024 by Fabrice29

[Osvaldorama]

Standards at the club have completely disappeared. 
It’s unfathomable that they’re accepting this. Disaster after disaster every week.

Martin is a complete embarrassment. So far out of his depth, it’s a joke. 

I feel sorry for those with a season ticket, genuinely. I can’t face any more of this and won’t be going to another game this season until he’s gone. 

[benali-shorts]

  On 04/12/2024 at 23:30, Fabrice29 said:

I love how people genuinely believe managers records will translate seamlessly to a new club without any regards for the people they’ll have to work with on a daily basis. 

Anyway, I think I said after the Wolves game that I’m sure we’ll find out soon enough whether it’s all one man’s fault and I’ll happily admit I was wrong when things miraculously improve under new management. 

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They probably won't improve drastically under a new manager. The squad is dysfunctional and inadequate for this level. But similarly, RM is proving himself inadequate too. His player signings are poor; he hasn't developed the coaching set-up in any way since promotion; and he has proved to be tactically inept at key stages. I'm not sure why there is any point persevering with a coach who is so fiercely wedded to a style of football totally unsuited to the quality of players he has (or would have in any medium/long term basis ) at his disposal. I really don't see anything from him which suggests he is either the short or medium term answer. 

[Sarnia Cherie]

  On 04/12/2024 at 22:15, Gloucester Saint said:

I’d prefer Harry fucking Redknapp, Ian Branfoot or Nathan Jones - that’s how dire it is.

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Good grief. I remember that lot, yet all these 3 rolled into 1 don't come close to the way I feel about Russell Martin. From his floppy hair, to playing out the back, to his deranged post-match interviews accompanied by that patronising sneer, he is the worst manager we have ever had and by heck, there's a long list. Villa and Spurs next. Rinse and repeat. How far off Derby's record are we?

[Galway saint]

Another defeat and that was dire but I still remain hopeful of at least one more win this season in the league.

First half hour thought we went toe to toe albeit the second goal was a disaster and I see we now top the most goals conceded from total fuck ups stat.

Thought it could have been more in the end but Lumley did ok apart from the first and second goals….

Stephens as our Captain sums up the amateurish set up. Sent off for pulling hair !

Been supporting Saints for over 40 years and cannot recall a time when we have been less competitive and as a premier league club we are not at the races. 

RM at the end in the interview seemed quite serene and relaxed despite the defeat and having now won only 1 game in 14. You’d have thought he would be embarrassed but seemed to be enjoying it.

Nothing to be done but wait for relegation to be confirmed and people will presumably stop going soon this season. What a dreadful season.

Russell Martins red and white army……

 

 

[bpsaint]

  On 04/12/2024 at 22:40, Harry_SFC said:

Martin: “The people I bump into in the town and city centre have been amazing, nothing but supportive and understanding of the process of what we’re trying to build.” #saintsfc [amazon]

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The prick didn’t mention he does all of his shopping in Portsmouth.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

  On 04/12/2024 at 21:40, Patrick Bateman said:

SACK HIM NOW

 

Caps and bold.  

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Bold like the way RM sets us up. Caps like the guy walking off the pitch after getting another red. 🙂

[OttawaSaint]

Supported Saints since 1980. We've had our ups and downs, sure. But we've almost always got fucking stuck in and even in losing, made us supporters proud, more often than not. 

These last few years, two 9-0s, Mad Nate, Vanilla Ruben and now Brave Beard Boy. Fucking embarrassing to be a Saints fan. The 9-0s were bad, very bad, Nate was an abomination, Vanilla Ruben was mind numbingly boring but Rustie takes the fucking cake. It's just so fucking shit, low energy, same weak ass bullshit. No entertainment, cluelessm rudderless crap.

To make it worse, dicksplash Rasmus etc think he's being brave and doing good.

This situation is fucking dire. He's going nowhere, not getting fired, nowhere near giving us anything to be proud of.

[Dragon_man]

Tonight was the first time in years I thought about not going (its a 70 minute drive each way), shouldn't have bothered. I don't mind going down fighting but this just feels like a death march with just no end in sight. If we are sticking with RM no matter what (I'd fire him BTW) then SR owe it to the fans to explain why and what the long term plan is, because none of us get it. There can't be any fans that buy into this 'we're getting better all the time and its a process nonsense'. 

If SR will accept relegation and keep RM in the championship next season, then explain that to us so that we know what the plan is

I've aways for Villa and Fulham this month, but that's me done with Russball. I've only ever used the ticket exchange when I couldn't make a game, but if Spurs and West Ham open up I may oblige.

As for Capt Jack, how much is he paid per week and then fucks up like he does ...FFS

 

 

[Dark Munster]

  On 04/12/2024 at 21:26, Harry_SFC said:

Still no chants from the crowd about Martin...until there is I can't see him going anywhere. 

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We need crowd chants aimed the root of our problem, Rasmus W. Ankersen.

[obelisk]

  On 04/12/2024 at 22:56, Fabrice29 said:

Impressive that amongst all the nonsense in this thread this continues to be the silliest belief every time someone says this. Just completely oblivious that the next manager in charge is going to lose a lot of football matches before next seasons ‘attacking campaign’…and that won’t be popular. 

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Martin's teams always concede sackfuls of goals. The bloke is a fraud. Get rid right now and prepare for the future. Not silly in the slightest, chum.

[Saint Keef]

I can't believe there isn't "unrest" in the dressing room by now. No player likes to go out every game knowing they are going to get "hammered" each time, knowing that the style of football they are being told to play isn't working. Do they really enjoy passing it around tippy-tappy at the back and making no progress, just waiting for one of them to make their next mistake and ultimately concede another goal. I think not. I actually think we have some good players, but it is clear as day, to anyone with half a brain, that they are not suited to this style of play. So.....I may be miles wide of the mark here, but just trying to give an alternative view and possibly put a positive spin on the events of last night, Jack Stephens as club captain, knew his actions would lead to him being sent off and in all likelihood another embarrassing drubbing. Maybe, just maybe, it was a deliberate action to get sent off and thereby as a result, (hopefully!) speed up the process of getting rid of Martin. Maybe he was "nominated" by the other players, as club captain, to do what he did. It was his "slap in the face" to Martin and his style of play, in the hope that the hierarchy finally remove their heads from up their own respective arses, recognise the disquiet among the players and take the only logical course of action.

Every day I come here hoping for some good news and every day I leave disappointed. PLEASE LET IT BE TODAY!

As I say, I'm possibly miles off, but I'm clutching at straws. Thanks chaps, I needed to get that off my chest. 

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 04/12/2024 at 22:34, sfc4prem said:

Course people will rock up. Cost of living crisis my arse. Many of our fans are seemingly willing to burn their hard-earned cash and then rub the ashes into their eyes.

Good analogy? I tried.

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But what if they've got a season ticket?

[AlexLaw76]

Martin has been, and still, an incredibly limited manager.

he has been given this job beyond his ability 

woeful

[Hamwic]

  On 05/12/2024 at 01:08, Dark Munster said:

We need crowd chants aimed the root of our problem, Rasmus W. Ankersen.

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Yes, but far more effective would be supporters just not attending. Masses of empty seats would not be what SR would want the world to see on TV.

[CB Fry]

  On 04/12/2024 at 23:03, Fabrice29 said:

It’s just not true any manager would be cut any slack if bought in now. We went through 2 further managers last time we were in this position remember? Neither were cut any slack.

As for Cooper and the Derby record…we’re on course for beating that anyway if you really think that’s success and Cooper has just been sacked from a club we need to finish above of because the players thought he was clueless, so it’s not a glowing reference really.

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We weren't "in this position" last time.

When Ralph was sacked he had secured 12 points from 14 games, so it was a perfectly plausible prospect that a decent replacement could go on and keep us up. Jones of course was not that.

The situation we are in today is nothing like that. We are being managed by one of the very worst dogshit managers in Premier League history. Russell Martin has relegated us before the advent calendars come out.

The next guy is not going to be here to magically keep us up - he won't, we're down already, so they will get patience and slack. We build for next season and as others have said, can we stave off the abject humiliation of Derby County's record.

 

[Gloucester Saint]

  On 05/12/2024 at 05:39, Whitey Grandad said:

But what if they've got a season ticket?

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Still saves on petrol and travel and helps the club. What I ought to have done in 08/09 as a STH then but my attendance kept encouraging Lowe et al in their experiments. There are lots of lovely museums and cultural things to do instead. Empty seats speak as loudly as any protest and our fans refuse to protest these days like we did under Branfoot and later under Rupert.

[scumbag]

This whole 'build' / 'project' thing is really odd - but fits the arrogance of the individual concerned I guess. Being utterly incompetent at something, but referring to it in terms of a project that's perhaps beyond the intellectual capability of us mere mortals to grasp.

Passing it out from the back, repeatedly making mistakes, and losing football matches isn't a project.

[tdmickey3]

  On 04/12/2024 at 23:30, Fabrice29 said:

I love how people genuinely believe managers records will translate seamlessly to a new club without any regards for the people they’ll have to work with on a daily basis. 

Anyway, I think I said after the Wolves game that I’m sure we’ll find out soon enough whether it’s all one man’s fault and I’ll happily admit I was wrong when things miraculously improve under new management. 

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Martins record slipped seamlessly into our club, the conceding a lot of goals caused by the cretins system or does that not your excuse

[Dman]

  On 04/12/2024 at 21:53, Lighthouse said:

Yep. That’s what a massive squad of Championship players will get you.

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Luton had 9 points at this point last season. They currently sit 19th in the championship. 

[Farmer Saint]

  On 05/12/2024 at 07:15, tdmickey3 said:

Martins record slipped seamlessly into our club, the conceding a lot of goals caused by the cretins system or does that not your excuse

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Last time we were in the PL we conceded 1.92 goals per game, now it's 2.14. Not really much of a difference, and we had a better defence player-wise in 2022/2023.

[skintsaint]

Should be gone by midday after last night.

[Farmer Saint]

  On 05/12/2024 at 07:20, Dman said:

Luton had 9 points at this point last season. They currently sit 19th in the championship. 

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Sheffield United had 5 and are now top, not sure what your point is?

[CB Fry]

Sheffield United sacked their manager on 5th December last year so yeah let's go with that. Top of the Championship now.

[Daft Kerplunk]

Passing/playing it out from the back is not the problem, it is where and who we play it to, and when we do it.  That's without the poor pass placement and pace it's done at  The stats show all you need to know about how we are failing, and flailing.  It is simply stupid how we do it. That's 100% on this manager.

[Suhari]

WTF is he still doing here?

[Lee On Solent Saint]

  On 05/12/2024 at 04:36, Saint Keef said:

I can't believe there isn't "unrest" in the dressing room by now. No player likes to go out every game knowing they are going to get "hammered" each time, knowing that the style of football they are being told to play isn't working. Do they really enjoy passing it around tippy-tappy at the back and making no progress, just waiting for one of them to make their next mistake and ultimately concede another goal. I think not. I actually think we have some good players, but it is clear as day, to anyone with half a brain, that they are not suited to this style of play. So.....I may be miles wide of the mark here, but just trying to give an alternative view and possibly put a positive spin on the events of last night, Jack Stephens as club captain, knew his actions would lead to him being sent off and in all likelihood another embarrassing drubbing. Maybe, just maybe, it was a deliberate action to get sent off and thereby as a result, (hopefully!) speed up the process of getting rid of Martin. Maybe he was "nominated" by the other players, as club captain, to do what he did. It was his "slap in the face" to Martin and his style of play, in the hope that the hierarchy finally remove their heads from up their own respective arses, recognise the disquiet among the players and take the only logical course of action.

Every day I come here hoping for some good news and every day I leave disappointed. PLEASE LET IT BE TODAY!

As I say, I'm possibly miles off, but I'm clutching at straws. Thanks chaps, I needed to get that off my chest. 

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The only problem with your Jack Stephens theory is that he knows full well that he wouldn't be playing PL football without Martin being here. No other manager is picking him. Thus he loves RM.

[Mr X]

  On 05/12/2024 at 07:35, Suhari said:

WTF is he still doing here?

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The only thing worse than our manager is our owners that's why 

[tdmickey3]

  On 05/12/2024 at 07:28, Farmer Saint said:

Last time we were in the PL we conceded 1.92 goals per game, now it's 2.14. Not really much of a difference, and we had a better defence player-wise in 2022/2023.

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We are talking about Martins record not our last season in he PL, if you don`t understand stick to your PSR stories

[tdmickey3]

  On 05/12/2024 at 04:36, Saint Keef said:

I can't believe there isn't "unrest" in the dressing room by now. No player likes to go out every game knowing they are going to get "hammered" each time, knowing that the style of football they are being told to play isn't working. Do they really enjoy passing it around tippy-tappy at the back and making no progress, just waiting for one of them to make their next mistake and ultimately concede another goal. I think not. I actually think we have some good players, but it is clear as day, to anyone with half a brain, that they are not suited to this style of play. So.....I may be miles wide of the mark here, but just trying to give an alternative view and possibly put a positive spin on the events of last night, Jack Stephens as club captain, knew his actions would lead to him being sent off and in all likelihood another embarrassing drubbing. Maybe, just maybe, it was a deliberate action to get sent off and thereby as a result, (hopefully!) speed up the process of getting rid of Martin. Maybe he was "nominated" by the other players, as club captain, to do what he did. It was his "slap in the face" to Martin and his style of play, in the hope that the hierarchy finally remove their heads from up their own respective arses, recognise the disquiet among the players and take the only logical course of action.

Every day I come here hoping for some good news and every day I leave disappointed. PLEASE LET IT BE TODAY!

As I say, I'm possibly miles off, but I'm clutching at straws. Thanks chaps, I needed to get that off my chest. 

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Privately there will be without doubt, its a matter of time before it shows

[Farmer Saint]

  On 05/12/2024 at 07:33, CB Fry said:

Sheffield United sacked their manager on 5th December last year so yeah let's go with that. Top of the Championship now.

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We all think he should be sacked, what's your point?

[Mr X]

  On 05/12/2024 at 07:52, tdmickey3 said:

Privately there will be without doubt, its a matter of time before it shows

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Surely the players can finally say Martin and his style isn't working or are they that pally with him?

To be fair if we were paid as much as they are and the manager lets you get away with less work we wouldn't kick up a fuss either 

[Farmer Saint]

  On 05/12/2024 at 07:50, tdmickey3 said:

We are talking about Martins record not our last season in he PL, if you don`t understand stick to your PSR stories

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I'm trying to give you perspective - without perspective what you're saying is meaningless because you'd have no idea how to benchmark.

[saint michael]

Martin has won the lottery. Imagine being paid millions and having no expectations on you that you can do your job. It really is quite the weirdest thing I’ve seen in football over the years and shows how weird the game has become. Then you add onto that the complete delusion that you are doing really well. It’s like a tale form Hans Christian Anderson and Groundhog Day rolled into one.

its not the relegation I think the damage to the club is so huge it will take years to overcome the nature of this debacle. After travelling in hope, I think we have arrived in despair  

 

 

[tdmickey3]

  On 05/12/2024 at 07:55, Farmer Saint said:

I'm trying to give you perspective - without perspective what you're saying is meaningless because you'd have no idea how to benchmark.

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Lol, the benchmark is Russel Fuckin Martins record with us, Swansea and MK Dons= conceding lots of goals

[Farmer Saint]

  On 05/12/2024 at 07:57, tdmickey3 said:

Lol, the benchmark is Russel Fuckin Martins record with us, Swansea and MK Dons= conceding lots of goals

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But that's not a benchmark. To benchmark you need to compare to other managers.

[LiberalCommunist]

 By the time they sack him it will be too late. They’ll dither getting in a suitable replacement. He will then go on and cultivate a good number of points in the games he’s given. Then the board will come out and say it’s unfortunate we didn’t act sooner. What a absolute shower of shit. It is so very obvious that with anyone else in charge of this squad, we would have amassed more points. There is no bias in saying that. 

[tdmickey3]

  On 05/12/2024 at 08:00, Farmer Saint said:

But that's not a benchmark. To benchmark you need to compare to other managers.

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I`m a tad bored with this, my original response was to another poster about managers records slipping in to other clubs , not what what you are trying to argue

[Saint_clark]

  On 05/12/2024 at 08:00, Farmer Saint said:

But that's not a benchmark. To benchmark you need to compare to other managers.

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Best benchmark for me is the fact that we've conceded 9 goals due to unforced errors compared to the next worst team who conceded 5. 

Before last night's game, we made 20 unforced errors which led to shots on goal - more than the next two worst teams combined. 

[Dman]

  On 05/12/2024 at 07:32, Farmer Saint said:

Sheffield United had 5 and are now top, not sure what your point is?

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  On 05/12/2024 at 07:33, CB Fry said:

Sheffield United sacked their manager on 5th December last year so yeah let's go with that. Top of the Championship now.

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Other than the obvious which CB has stated, my point was more that Luton (a squad full of worse championship players than our squad of championship players) managed 4 more points than us at this stage.

Given their lack of resources, do you think they were trying to replicate 2008 Baraclona and giving teams 1-2 goals a game from mistakes trying to play that way? 

So to Lighthouse point, its not what a team full of championship players gets you. Its what a poor, niave, manager (whos only playing for himself at this point) gets you. 

Edited 5 December, 2024 by Dman

[Farmer Saint]

  On 05/12/2024 at 08:05, Saint_clark said:

Best benchmark for me is the fact that we've conceded 9 goals due to unforced errors compared to the next worst team who conceded 5. 

Before last night's game, we made 20 unforced errors which led to shots on goal - more than the next two worst teams combined. 

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Yep, agree with that.

[Turkish]

  On 05/12/2024 at 07:35, Suhari said:

WTF is he still doing here?

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He’s learning a lot. That’s why he’s still here 

trust the process 

[Fabrice29]

  On 05/12/2024 at 06:36, CB Fry said:

We weren't "in this position" last time.

When Ralph was sacked he had secured 12 points from 14 games, so it was a perfectly plausible prospect that a decent replacement could go on and keep us up. Jones of course was not that.

The situation we are in today is nothing like that. We are being managed by one of the very worst dogshit managers in Premier League history. Russell Martin has relegated us before the advent calendars come out.

The next guy is not going to be here to magically keep us up - he won't, we're down already, so they will get patience and slack. We build for next season and as others have said, can we stave off the abject humiliation of Derby County's record.

 

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  On 05/12/2024 at 04:17, obelisk said:

Martin's teams always concede sackfuls of goals. The bloke is a fraud. Get rid right now and prepare for the future. Not silly in the slightest, chum.

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There’s not a chance the new guy gets patience after losing games on a regular basis for 4-5 months which will include mistakes from players similar to the ones made now and games where we look toothless in attack and games in which we get hammered. It’s not happening unless like Sheffield United you appoint someone with already a lot of good standing at the club. And that only happens if said person is so desperate to come back because of failings elsewhere. But anyway, you can all believe you’ll be super patient and great super fans if you like. I’ll just bring all your posts up again like I did last season when you all said we wouldn’t be promoted.  
 

Any new manager should be appointed with the aim of salvaging this season, which is possible, although would be helped by having players defend properly, pass the ball properly and a decent goal scoring option in January (which I’d rather spend any compensation money on personally).

Edited 5 December, 2024 by Fabrice29

[Sarnia Cherie]

  On 05/12/2024 at 07:45, Mr X said:

The only thing worse than our manager is our owners that's why 

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SR and RM are a disastrous pairing. I don't think any of them even care and probably have a good laugh at any criticism from the loyal supporters because, of course, they know best. In my 50+ years as a fan I don't think I have ever felt such concern for the future of my beloved Saints. I don't know what it will take to sack RM. We must be a laughing stock. I can't think of any other club in such a dire situation sticking with a manager who thinks everything is great when it is clear to everyone else that it most certainly is not. Under him I cannot see where the points are coming from for the remainder of the season. Certainly not in the next 2 games, Villa and Spurs. Happy Christmas!

[Dman]

  On 05/12/2024 at 08:12, Turkish said:

He’s learning a lot. That’s why he’s still here 

trust the process 

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Some on here just cannot see the bigger picture.

It'd cost us £15m to sack him now and NOONE IN THE WORLD OF FOOTBALL WOULD WANT THIS JOB. We'll be getting £15m for him next season when Real Mardid come knocking... look at Komapny FFS!!! 

Sort term pain for long term gain in SR's quest to the be the best Yo-yo club in england. 

[Badger]

  On 05/12/2024 at 06:19, AlexLaw76 said:

Martin has been, and still, an incredibly limited manager.

he has been given this job beyond his ability 

woeful

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But predictable.

  On 05/12/2024 at 07:35, Daft Kerplunk said:

Passing/playing it out from the back is not the problem, it is where and who we play it to, and when we do it.  That's without the poor pass placement and pace it's done at  The stats show all you need to know about how we are failing, and flailing.  It is simply stupid how we do it. That's 100% on this manager.

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Not sure if this is intended about RM or Rasmus. Sad thing is, it applies equally to both.

[Galway saint]

  On 05/12/2024 at 08:05, Saint_clark said:

Best benchmark for me is the fact that we've conceded 9 goals due to unforced errors compared to the next worst team who conceded 5. 

Before last night's game, we made 20 unforced errors which led to shots on goal - more than the next two worst teams combined. 

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I think that’s a lot to do with why we are so uncompetitive. Without those we would still be struggling given player quality but we’d be in the game so to speak.

Giving the ball to players in tight areas under pressure means we make lots of mistakes but that’s a hallmark of the RM approach. Its a pretty depressing state of affairs really if we are intending to persevere with this crap 

 

[Fabrice29]

  On 05/12/2024 at 06:19, AlexLaw76 said:

Martin has been, and still, an incredibly limited manager.

he has been given this job beyond his ability 

woeful

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Just a reminder he was given the job in the championship, did it well enough to get promoted which in turn gets you to a higher level. That’s literally the way it works.