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Jack

Jack

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  On 25/11/2024 at 10:10, Miltonaggro said:

The only time I can see this Board getting their collective heads out of their arses is when matchdays become fully toxic a la mad Nate, a situation that provides a fucking awful experience for the long-suffering fanbase.  Could feel the simmering yesterday but mitigated somewhat as 'it was Liverpool.'  Eventually Sport Republic will act, but reluctantly after blaming the long-suffering fanbase, just like they did with Jones.  Managing to cut their nose off to spite their face, incapable of learning from mistakes.  We then lose our Premier league status with a whimper followed by some really exciting young players out the door. Clown show.

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Problem we’ve got is that the next three home games he’s got the mitigation that ‘it was Chelsea/Spurs/Liverpool’. 

By the time the crowd has really turned in games against WHU and Brentford, we’re into January where relegation will be a mathematical certainty rather than just a certainty. 

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Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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  On 25/11/2024 at 14:33, Jack said:

Problem we’ve got is that the next three home games he’s got the mitigation that ‘it was Chelsea/Spurs/Liverpool’. 

By the time the crowd has really turned in games against WHU and Brentford, we’re into January where relegation will be a mathematical certainty rather than just a certainty. 

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Agree totally.  Fucking crackers!

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Jack

Jack

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  On 25/11/2024 at 14:40, Wade Garrett said:

He’s too arrogant to change.  That ship sailed a while ago.  

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He’ll get the decision made for him eventually. 
 

The pundits call it out every week, the commentators call it out every week, the fans have been calling it out before we even got promoted. Who the fuck is Russ to think he knows better than the wider football world. 

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Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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  On 25/11/2024 at 14:54, Jack said:

He’ll get the decision made for him eventually. 
 

The pundits call it out every week, the commentators call it out every week, the fans have been calling it out before we even got promoted. Who the fuck is Russ to think he knows better than the wider football world. 

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Problem is that he's in an unusual hierarchy where all he has to do is to fool three people and the sycophants that surround them most of the time, particularly Solak who essentially owns the means of production - bank and executioner here.  The PR fluffers on this site give an indication of the thinking of those keeping Martin in role despite what is obvious to the majority.  If you look back over recent posts, having blamed the need for the side to be able to 'find it's feet' they are currently blaming the players for not being 'good enough' despite us appearing to have the foundation of a very competitive young side.  This will likely move over the next few games to blaming the 'idiot fans' for getting on the players backs, despite having previously stated that they weren't good enough.  It's essentially Mad Nate II deja vu.  When the board finally get around to removing the actual cause, we will have forfeited our top flight status and lost the foundation of a promising team, they'll say sorry and that they won't make the same mistake again, and off we go... 

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OldNick

OldNick

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  On 25/11/2024 at 14:33, Gingeletiss said:

Not really, he just needs to be told to change his approach to the game, if he doesn’t like it, he can resign.

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Of course he can be told to change but what can the club do if he refuses,the club could then sack him and all the costs that entails

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OldNick

OldNick

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To be fair I thought he coped with losing 2 important players well and surprised us with FD's role and it nearly worked. Its just the way he makes players of average ball playing ability to to do stuff that is a bit complicated

trousers

trousers

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  On 25/11/2024 at 15:17, OldNick said:

Of course he can be told to change but what can the club do if he refuses,the club could then sack him and all the costs that entails

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Being an old fashioned kind of chap, I would like to believe that an employee would be in breach of their employement contract if they don't do what their employer requires of them... ergo cost-free dismissal... Shirley....?

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OldNick

OldNick

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  On 25/11/2024 at 15:21, trousers said:

Being an old fashioned kind of chap, I would like to believe that an employee would be in breach of their employement contract if they don't do what their employer requires of them... ergo cost-free dismissal... Shirley....?

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Hard to prove though I suggest,in theory he would only have to show his keeper kicking the ball long twice a game instead of once and he could say he has changed.

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Gingeletiss

Gingeletiss

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  On 25/11/2024 at 15:17, OldNick said:

Of course he can be told to change but what can the club do if he refuses,the club could then sack him and all the costs that entails

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No, they then engage someone to work above him as manager, and demote him to assistant. He does not dictate his position, he is an employee.

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OldNick

OldNick

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  On 25/11/2024 at 15:34, Gingeletiss said:

No, they then engage someone to work above him as manager, and demote him to assistant. He does not dictate his position, he is an employee.

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that would work well im sure, constructive dismissal comes to mind as they would have made his position impossible

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Badger

Badger

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  On 25/11/2024 at 15:34, Gingeletiss said:

No, they then engage someone to work above him as manager, and demote him to assistant. He does not dictate his position, he is an employee.

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Middlesbrough did this years ago when they brought in Venables to "assist" Bryan Robson. 

But if his contract says he is First Team Coach then that's what he remains. 

Gingeletiss

Gingeletiss

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  On 25/11/2024 at 16:23, Badger said:

Middlesbrough did this years ago when they brought in Venables to "assist" Bryan Robson. 

But if his contract says he is First Team Coach then that's what he remains. 

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He can stay a first team coach, you just employ a ‘manager’ above him.

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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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Gordon Bennett, let’s keep some attachment to reality shall we.

  1. Russ’ contract will stipulate which duties he is responsible for and what authority he has. You can’t just reassign him to being the tea lady and say, "do as you’re told!"
  2. No self respecting manager in the world is going to come in and work as a ‘manager above’ our current manager in that kind of bullsh*t set up.
  3. If we did try something like that, no half decent manager would touch us with a ten foot pole for years afterwards, knowing that’s how they’d be treated.

If the club wants rid of Russ, they have to sack him and pay him compensation accordingly.

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Francis1947

Francis1947

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May I respond to a couple of good posts here on Martin.

One posted to please put us out of this bloody misery and allow the season to end now and our club be relegated. That sums up my feelings right now.

And a second wrote that by the time the Board have the courage to put an end to this madness , we will be unable to recover this season but much more importantly in my eyes, if we had abandoned this nonsense in how we play and we might just have survived this year in the Prem, we had the foundations for a decent team.

I wrote two weeks ago after the loss at Wolves that although in despair at the way this man insists on how we play, we still had a chance of surviving  if we got rid and brought a pragmatist in like Moyes as a replacement on a short 1 year contract. I also said at that time that 4 maybe 5 teams had not got away from us yet. All it would take would be 2 decent results...a win and a draw!...and we would still be in the mix.

We are not now ! Clubs have got away and we are mired at the bottom.

I cannot understand why a club like Leicester can get rid of Cooper this weekend and our Board are still backing this guy. We are being slaughtered on the altar of the ego of this foolish man.

I have known disappointment and almost despair in the desperate times following Saints for 65 years but nothing like this.

It just isn't enjoyable any more t follow this utter dross and then hear his bizarre post match interviews. 

We are lost and it's my opinion that we might just go into freefall when relegated this year.

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saintant

saintant

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  On 25/11/2024 at 16:46, Lighthouse said:

Gordon Bennett, let’s keep some attachment to reality shall we.

  1. Russ’ contract will stipulate which duties he is responsible for and what authority he has. You can’t just reassign him to being the tea lady and say, "do as you’re told!"
  2. No self respecting manager in the world is going to come in and work as a ‘manager above’ our current manager in that kind of bullsh*t set up.
  3. If we did try something like that, no half decent manager would touch us with a ten foot pole for years afterwards, knowing that’s how they’d be treated.

If the club wants rid of Russ, they have to sack him and pay him compensation accordingly.

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Stick him on gardening leave if we must - he's doing it to ABK! Just admit the error, draw a line, get rid and bring in some fresh ideas.

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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 25/11/2024 at 16:53, saintant said:

Stick him on gardening leave if we must - he's doing it to ABK! Just admit the error, draw a line, get rid and bring in some fresh ideas.

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You have no idea what’s going on with ABK. Gardening leave is very little different in real world terms, you’ll still have to pay the rest of his contract not to be our manager. They can do it, it’s just whether or not we have someone else lined up who’s worth the cost.

Lee On Solent Saint

Lee On Solent Saint

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  On 25/11/2024 at 17:17, Lighthouse said:

You have no idea what’s going on with ABK. Gardening leave is very little different in real world terms, you’ll still have to pay the rest of his contract not to be our manager. They can do it, it’s just whether or not we have someone else lined up who’s worth the cost.

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Am at the point now where I don't care who comes in to replace him. 

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Toussaint

Toussaint

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  On 25/11/2024 at 08:51, Badger said:

Yes, commented on this on another thread. He did accept that the goal “was on him” , but no real humility in that. Interview got worse trotting out his usual mantra of being brave, and how if we continue to play like that “ they’ll be alright”.

 

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I’d like to know on what basis he is so confident “they’ll be alright” what is experience is he drawing onto support this? He was in unremarkable player playing for an unremarkable team, played international for a team that by necessity has to scour the lower leagues for players. As a manager he was very average in the championship and an unrivalled disaster in the premier league, so, where does this confidence come from? I guess he epitomises arrogance, where your view of yourself is vastly elevated above reality. 

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Daft Kerplunk

Daft Kerplunk

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  On 25/11/2024 at 16:47, Francis1947 said:

We are lost and it's my opinion that we might just go into freefall when relegated this year.

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For all the confidence that some have that we'd be fine if we went down, getting relegated as terribly as we are destined to if we carry on the pathetic football style (no excuses, the way we play out into congested areas is stupid and not 'brave'), it would be further proof that SR are really not great at the leading/managing a football team bit. Imagine the scar tissue of being on the lowest ever points total in PL history.  So far, they are not proving to be trusted custodians of this football club.  

They may get a few decent player trades from it when Dibling and Fernandes leave for better clubs but from what I've heard from some people at the club, it is hardly being run as a beacon of brilliance.  The shitness of the Semmens/Gao/K. Liebherr era has just been replaced by the shitness of the new era.  For some reason, Saints just never get a break when it comes to decent owners and management who can do it for a sustained period.  We should be far better operated and not be a basket case but many fans seem okay with being fed shite. 

Unless RM has some change of heart and concedes that losing possession away from the goal mouth but being organised for 6 minutes or more is better than playing straight into the areas where opposition players will just wait for us to make an inevitable mistake and take advantage, we are screwed, and the impact will be lasting.     

 

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Toussaint

Toussaint

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  On 25/11/2024 at 08:37, tdmickey3 said:

The players will be getting hacked off with it in private, make no mistake 

A manager making them look stupid over an over will be pissing them off, no amount of sickly cuddles will pacify 

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I’m have a strong suspicion that’s why Charlie Taylor has disappeared from the face of the earth. I also thought I saw a bit of petulance from Bednarek up at Wolves, we were fannying around at the back and he appeard to lose it and launch the ball into orbit. 

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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  On 25/11/2024 at 17:59, Toussaint said:

I’d like to know on what basis he is so confident “they’ll be alright” what is experience is he drawing onto support this? He was in unremarkable player playing for an unremarkable team, played international for a team that by necessity has to scour the lower leagues for players. As a manager he was very average in the championship and an unrivalled disaster in the premier league, so, where does this confidence come from? I guess he epitomises arrogance, where your view of yourself is vastly elevated above reality. 

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Even he knows they'll do better under a different system?

He's looking ahead to where SR pull the plug.

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Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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  On 25/11/2024 at 18:06, Toussaint said:

I’m have a strong suspicion that’s why Charlie Taylor has disappeared from the face of the earth. I also thought I saw a bit of petulance from Bednarek up at Wolves, we were fannying around at the back and he appeard to lose it and launch the ball into orbit. 

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Yep, guarantee that Taylor had the balls to tell him it was bullshit and has now been ostracised to the bomb squad, even though we need him available. 

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LGTL

LGTL

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  On 25/11/2024 at 19:13, Miltonaggro said:

We are at the ‘blaming the players’ point in the panto. The audience’s fault next. 

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Indeed. It’s a well trodden path and us lot ‘not backing him’ is up next. 

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aintforever

aintforever

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You have to assume they just can't afford to sack him and hire anyone half decent now, there is no other logical reason why he's still here.

Face it, it's just a case of preparing for life in the championship now. I've given up caring wether they sack him now or not.

Behind Enemy Lines

Behind Enemy Lines

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  On 25/11/2024 at 19:18, aintforever said:

You have to assume they just can't afford to sack him and hire anyone half decent now, there is no other logical reason why he's still here.

Face it, it's just a case of preparing for life in the championship now. I've given up caring wether they sack him now or not.

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I think they could sack him and just let the players decide the team and tactics. I bet we’d do a lot better that way too! 

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Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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  On 25/11/2024 at 19:18, aintforever said:

You have to assume they just can't afford to sack him and hire anyone half decent now, there is no other logical reason why he's still here.

Face it, it's just a case of preparing for life in the championship now. I've given up caring wether they sack him now or not.

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It can't be that mate - was saying that 6 weeks ago and everyone was telling me how wrong I was.

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Mr X

Mr X

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  On 25/11/2024 at 19:18, aintforever said:

You have to assume they just can't afford to sack him and hire anyone half decent now, there is no other logical reason why he's still here.

Face it, it's just a case of preparing for life in the championship now. I've given up caring wether they sack him now or not.

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They could get rid of the piss poor players like BBD, sullemana etc to pay for his compensation surely? 12 million isn't much in the scheme of things 

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Roo1976

Roo1976

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  On 25/11/2024 at 18:53, Midfield_General said:

Yep, guarantee that Taylor had the balls to tell him it was bullshit and has now been ostracised to the bomb squad, even though we need him available. 

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Exactly this ,but why buy him in the first place and not play him?,and the other lad from Peterborough,im sure hes enjoying the pay rise(who wouldn't) be not taking part must be exasperating to say the least. On the opening goal,just fucking clear the ball yes?..can the players not adapt and play differently?,or would that gain the wrath of the manager and undermine his authority and so called tactics? So many questions im sure OUR BOARD MUST NEED ANSWERS?.

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Toussaint

Toussaint

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  On 25/11/2024 at 18:58, Wade Garrett said:

His cheerleaders have been a bit quiet today.  Maybe he’s stood them down because he’s on his way.

I fucking doubt it though.

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They’ll be back, they are just contriving their next line of attack, each line being more oblique than the previous. 

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aintforever

aintforever

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  On 25/11/2024 at 19:54, Mr X said:

They could get rid of the piss poor players like BBD, sullemana etc to pay for his compensation surely? 12 million isn't much in the scheme of things 

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Yes but we’re at the stage where it’s pretty much nailed on relegation anyway plus any decent ‘Mark Hughes’ style appointment will come at a cost and will want some sort of war chest in January.

Obviously if changing manager means a decent chance of staying up it is clearly cost effective but that ship has sailed.

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Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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  On 25/11/2024 at 17:59, Toussaint said:

I’d like to know on what basis he is so confident “they’ll be alright” what is experience is he drawing onto support this? He was in unremarkable player playing for an unremarkable team, played international for a team that by necessity has to scour the lower leagues for players. As a manager he was very average in the championship and an unrivalled disaster in the premier league, so, where does this confidence come from? I guess he epitomises arrogance, where your view of yourself is vastly elevated above reality. 

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Which coincidentally also perfectly describes Rasmus W. Ankersen. An arrogant charlatan who is supporting another arrogant charlatan.

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