Russell Martin

[Turkish]

5 hours ago, gio1saints said:

I love Le Tiss. He was the BEST player in the league when at Saints. The BEST. And the system still fucked him and Saints over not playing for England. You  so wrong and you don’t really understand me at all if that’s what you think. 

I don’t think you understand yourself to be honest 

[Miltonaggro]

5 hours ago, Turkish said:

Maybe the reason Jack Stephens is so popular with Russ is he makes the best drinks at coffee break time 

That and being a fucking hoot at staff awaydays and teambuilding.

[Charlie Wayman]

19 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Like every one else on this forum, I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes, but isn’t it possible that SR have a wish list of replacement managers that they have worked through and drawn a blank so far? Having messed up with Jones I expect that are very wary about bringing in a poorer option. It would make sense to stick with Martin until they have found a better replacement.

As it stands, baring a spectacular influx of quality players in the January window, which we know is not going to happen, we are down. Finding a quality coach who will be prepared to play out this season and then able to bring us straight back up isn’t going to be an easy ask. I don’t envy those who are tasked with finding the next coach.
 

i don't think so. If there was a replacement process going on it would be nigh on impossible for Martin not to know. Such a process could not be kept secret. Do you really think he'd hang around knowing he wasn't wanted by the board? Of course not, every person has their pride and self respect. You can conclude from the facts that he is still here and still happy that no such process exists.

That is quite worrying as it implies that the board won't begin a replacement manager search in earnest until they have decided that Martin must go.

[Mr X]

I think the real reason that he isn't gone is they ultimately know it's too late now..... They will gamble on some more poorly chosen panic buys in January in the vain hope that it will keep us up..... It won't 

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

3 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

i don't think so. If there was a replacement process going on it would be nigh on impossible for Martin not to know. Such a process could not be kept secret. Do you really think he'd hang around knowing he wasn't wanted by the board? Of course not, every person has their pride and self respect. You can conclude from the facts that he is still here and still happy that no such process exists.

That is quite worrying as it implies that the board won't begin a replacement manager search in earnest until they have decided that Martin must go.

Maybe they are working on a replacement for first team coach and then, we're clever like this, we move RM to the vacant DOF role.

I shouldn't joke, it may give Ras more wacky ideas.

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Do you really think he'd hang around knowing he wasn't wanted by the board? Of course not, every person has their pride and self respect. You can conclude from the facts that he is still here and still happy that no such process exists.

I don't think you understand how football contracts work. If Russ were to quit because he knew the club were lining up a replacement then he would literally be walking away from a fortune. He has a contract and if SR want to terminate that then, depending on the terms they agreed, they will have to pay him a very large sum of money to do so. If he were to resign then he gets nothing. 

You say everyone has their pride, but if you swap the d in that word for a c, it's still equally true, if not more so.

[gio1saints]

15 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Now let’s get this straight. We have not been unlucky so far. We have got what we deserved.

That’s your opinion Whitney. I pointed out maybe 4-6 points could have been for us but for bad luck..  There is nothing getting straight about whether I have to accept your opinion, that we deserve nothing, it’s just an opinion. I think we’ve been a bit unlucky. At times. Thats all. It’s not the reason we are bottom but it’s part of it for sure. “Putting me straight “ in your usual manner does not make your opinion more right. 
“ Getting what we deserve “ is similarly an opinion.  I do not follow your opinion nor need putting straight on it. It is so easy to be black and white about our situation bottom of league fall points when there are obvious nuances to the picture. Nuances I point out but often get drowned out by the it’s all bad crowd. 

 

Edited 15 November, 2024 by gio1saints

[Weston Super Saint]

17 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I don't think you understand how football contracts work. If Russ were to quit because he knew the club were lining up a replacement then he would literally be walking away from a fortune. He has a contract and if SR want to terminate that then, depending on the terms they agreed, they will have to pay him a very large sum of money to do so. If he were to resign then he gets nothing. 

You say everyone has their pride, but if you swap the d in that word for a c, it's still equally true, if not more so.

Worse than that...

He wouldn't be able to just quit / walk away from his contract without incurring a financial penalty - otherwise there would have been no issues when he walked away from Swansea to join us....

[Miltonaggro]

11 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

That’s your opinion Whitney. I pointed out maybe 4-6 points could have been for us but for bad luck..  There is nothing getting straight about whether I have to accept your opinion, that we deserve nothing, it’s just an opinion. I think we’ve been a bit unlucky. At times. Thats all. It’s not the reason we are bottom but it’s part of it for sure. “Putting me straight “ in your usual manner does not make your opinion more right. 
“ Getting what we deserve “ is similarly an opinion.  I do not follow your opinion nor need putting straight on it. It is so easy to be black and white about our situation bottom of league fall points when there are obvious nuances to the picture. Nuances I point out but often get drowned out by the it’s all bad crowd. 

 

To be fair Whitney was never the same after shacking up with Bobby Brown, but 'I wanna dance with somebody' remains a feel good classic, can't remember 'putting me straight' or 'getting what we deserve' but credit in terms of her opinion where it's due.

[tdmickey3]

17 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

That’s your opinion Whitney. I pointed out maybe 4-6 points could have been for us but for bad luck..  There is nothing getting straight about whether I have to accept your opinion, that we deserve nothing, it’s just an opinion. I think we’ve been a bit unlucky. At times. Thats all. It’s not the reason we are bottom but it’s part of it for sure. “Putting me straight “ in your usual manner does not make your opinion more right. 
“ Getting what we deserve “ is similarly an opinion.  I do not follow your opinion nor need putting straight on it. It is so easy to be black and white about our situation bottom of league fall points when there are obvious nuances to the picture. Nuances I point out but often get drowned out by the it’s all bad crowd. 

 

Why are they the "Its all bad crowd" its our opinions and because it doesn't agree with yours you label us as such

We are the majority, perhaps its your opinion is wrong and you are the "Bad few"

[coalman]

11 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

That’s your opinion Whitney. I pointed out maybe 4-6 points could have been for us but for bad luck..  There is nothing getting straight about whether I have to accept your opinion, that we deserve nothing, it’s just an opinion. I think we’ve been a bit unlucky. At times. Thats all. It’s not the reason we are bottom but it’s part of it for sure. “Putting me straight “ in your usual manner does not make your opinion more right. 
“ Getting what we deserve “ is similarly an opinion.  I do not follow your opinion nor need putting straight on it. It is so easy to be black and white about our situation bottom of league fall points when there are obvious nuances to the picture. Nuances I point out but often get drowned out by the it’s all bad crowd. 

 

Let's examine how lucky we've been over the course of the season.

v Newcastle 0-1 (xG 1.95 - 0.43) we had the chances to win this but - we failed to capitalise on them going down to 10 men and gave away a stupid goal

v Nottm Forest 0-1 (xG 0.21 - 2.86) we were lucky not to lose by more

v Brentford 1-3 (xG 1.65 - 3.86) so about what we deserved from the game

v Man Utd 0-3 (xG 1.36 - 3.03) we missed a penalty and then folded but again seems to be what we deserved

v Ipswich 1-1 (xG 2.90 - 1.65) we deserved more from the game but failing to mark properly at a corner gave them a goal at the death

v Bournemouth 1-3 (xG 0.70 - 1.44) we deserved to lose though Bournemouth didn't create as much as the scoreline suggested

v Arsenal 1-3 (xG 1.27 - 3.25) we got what we deserved after a plucky opening

v Leicester 2-3 (xG 2.43 - 2.84) we conceded late goals including failing to mark from a corner again but Leicester had the better chances overall

v Man City 0-1 (xG 0.37 - 3.16) we were lucky not to lose by more

v Everton 1-0 (xG 0.54 - 1.79) we we lucky to win the game, Everton created more and better chances and had a goal disallowed that was marginal (and given the time taken probably not a clear and obvious error)

v Wolves 0-2 (xG 0.79 - 0.91) Wolves deserved to win barely - however, we didn't trouble the goalkeeper. Had a goal disallowed that might have stood on another day

If you look at the quality of chances created then, other than against the 10 men of Newcastle and Ipswich where we gave away silly goals we come out worst in every single game. Our only win wasn't exactly a display to build confidence from. 

Throw in the fact we've given away more chances by mistakes passing around the back than any other team, are the worst at defending from crosses and can't turn possession into chances it's hard to look at those results and say we're unlucky to be where we are in the table. In the games where it has been close then our style of football has led to us dropping points - that's not luck - that's tactics.

The idea that we've just had bad luck is an example of what is known as Outcome Bias in decision making. It means we fail to learn and adapt because we assume that when something goes against us it's out of our hands and when something goes for us it's because we did something good. It's telling that we have turned some good positions into defeats - but those have all come because of the way we play not because we're unlucky.

Watching Martin purring over the praise he got from Pep the other week was telling. It reminded me of one of my favourite quotes from the Basketball coach, Doc Rivers. Average players want to be left alone, good players want to be coached, great players want to be told the truth.

In the case of our manager, he gets so prickly when anyone questions his style. He operates on the basis that it's just bad luck that we are where we are. Then we start saying it's because our players aren't good enough to play his system - the players he oversaw the recruitment of during the summer. If the players aren't good enough - play a different system. If the system is good enough then why should we expect to lose almost every single game we play?

Gio, I get that you want Saints to do well but simply restating your belief that it's going to turn around and this is the only to challenge the footballing super powers is not grounded in any kind of reality. 

[Whitey Grandad]

22 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

That’s your opinion Whitney. I pointed out maybe 4-6 points could have been for us but for bad luck..  There is nothing getting straight about whether I have to accept your opinion, that we deserve nothing, it’s just an opinion. I think we’ve been a bit unlucky. At times. Thats all. It’s not the reason we are bottom but it’s part of it for sure. “Putting me straight “ in your usual manner does not make your opinion more right. 
“ Getting what we deserve “ is similarly an opinion.  I do not follow your opinion nor need putting straight on it. It is so easy to be black and white about our situation bottom of league fall points when there are obvious nuances to the picture. Nuances I point out but often get drowned out by the it’s all bad crowd. 

 

Not aimed at you specifically but we often see references to ‘luck’ regarding football. Only gamblers think that luck plays a part in anything. Only gamblers blame bad luck. Football is more a matter of chance and probability and as a team you have to load the odds in your favour.

Not taking unnecessary risks, taking more shots, pushing the centre of action into your opponent’s half rather than around your own penalty area, these are all things that will improve your odds.

For those interested in football and statistics there’s a chapter in a book by M. J. Moroney called ‘Facts from Figures’. Originally published in 1927 my own copy dates from 1968. The chapter is titled ’Goals, Floods and Horse Kicks’ and he explains how all these types of incidents follow a Poisson Distribution, that is to say a large number of events each with a small probability of ‘success’. It’s the limiting case of a Binomial Distribution.

[Whitey Grandad]

5 minutes ago, coalman said:

Let's examine how lucky we've been over the course of the season.

v Newcastle 0-1 (xG 1.95 - 0.43) we had the chances to win this but - we failed to capitalise on them going down to 10 men and gave away a stupid goal

v Nottm Forest 0-1 (xG 0.21 - 2.86) we were lucky not to lose by more

v Brentford 1-3 (xG 1.65 - 3.86) so about what we deserved from the game

v Man Utd 0-3 (xG 1.36 - 3.03) we missed a penalty and then folded but again seems to be what we deserved

v Ipswich 1-1 (xG 2.90 - 1.65) we deserved more from the game but failing to mark properly at a corner gave them a goal at the death

v Bournemouth 1-3 (xG 0.70 - 1.44) we deserved to lose though Bournemouth didn't create as much as the scoreline suggested

v Arsenal 1-3 (xG 1.27 - 3.25) we got what we deserved after a plucky opening

v Leicester 2-3 (xG 2.43 - 2.84) we conceded late goals including failing to mark from a corner again but Leicester had the better chances overall

v Man City 0-1 (xG 0.37 - 3.16) we were lucky not to lose by more

v Everton 1-0 (xG 0.54 - 1.79) we we lucky to win the game, Everton created more and better chances and had a goal disallowed that was marginal (and given the time taken probably not a clear and obvious error)

v Wolves 0-2 (xG 0.79 - 0.91) Wolves deserved to win barely - however, we didn't trouble the goalkeeper. Had a goal disallowed that might have stood on another day

If you look at the quality of chances created then, other than against the 10 men of Newcastle and Ipswich where we gave away silly goals we come out worst in every single game. Our only win wasn't exactly a display to build confidence from. 

Throw in the fact we've given away more chances by mistakes passing around the back than any other team, are the worst at defending from crosses and can't turn possession into chances it's hard to look at those results and say we're unlucky to be where we are in the table. In the games where it has been close then our style of football has led to us dropping points - that's not luck - that's tactics.

The idea that we've just had bad luck is an example of what is known as Outcome Bias in decision making. It means we fail to learn and adapt because we assume that when something goes against us it's out of our hands and when something goes for us it's because we did something good. It's telling that we have turned some good positions into defeats - but those have all come because of the way we play not because we're unlucky.

Watching Martin purring over the praise he got from Pep the other week was telling. It reminded me of one of my favourite quotes from the Basketball coach, Doc Rivers. Average players want to be left alone, good players want to be coached, great players want to be told the truth.

In the case of our manager, he gets so prickly when anyone questions his style. He operates on the basis that it's just bad luck that we are where we are. Then we start saying it's because our players aren't good enough to play his system - the players he oversaw the recruitment of during the summer. If the players aren't good enough - play a different system. If the system is good enough then why should we expect to lose almost every single game we play?

Gio, I get that you want Saints to do well but simply restating your belief that it's going to turn around and this is the only to challenge the footballing super powers is not grounded in any kind of reality. 

Well put and articulated. There are many myths in football and a lot of truths. ‘The table doesn’t lie’ is a constant truth.

[Challenger]

I do consider us to be unlucky on occasions, but the side is so hopeless because of two main reasons. 

A manager stubbornly wed to a flawed way of playing and a bloated squad of ( mostly ) sub standard PL players unable to play to the manager's "ideals".

Every summer is a struggle to offload the deadwood buys of the previously season, only to repeat the same mistake with recruitment for the next season. Bizarre.

Edited 15 November, 2024 by Challenger

[Oldandtired]

1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

That’s your opinion Whitney. I pointed out maybe 4-6 points could have been for us but for bad luck..  There is nothing getting straight about whether I have to accept your opinion, that we deserve nothing, it’s just an opinion. I think we’ve been a bit unlucky. At times. Thats all. It’s not the reason we are bottom but it’s part of it for sure. “Putting me straight “ in your usual manner does not make your opinion more right. 
“ Getting what we deserve “ is similarly an opinion.  I do not follow your opinion nor need putting straight on it. It is so easy to be black and white about our situation bottom of league fall points when there are obvious nuances to the picture. Nuances I point out but often get drowned out by the it’s all bad crowd. 

 

If you think that bad luck is a contributory factor, you can’t be blind to the (few times) we’ve had luck on our side. I cite our only win, the game against Everton. They murdered us going forward (as most teams do), brought out a couple of good saves from Ramsdale, had the width of a toenail offside decision against them, Bednarek stayed on the pitch etc…..I think it could be said that we definitely had the rub of the green that day.

In my opinion the bad luck starts at the top, having the owners we have, their lack of acumen in choosing managers and their apparent resignation and apathy to the plight we’re in. 
 

So for me the bad luck isn’t on the pitch, that’s down to the manager’s tactics and sub standard players. It’s in who we have running the club and team.

 

Edited 15 November, 2024 by Oldandtired

[gio1saints]

45 minutes ago, coalman said:

Let's examine how lucky we've been over the course of the season.

v Newcastle 0-1 (xG 1.95 - 0.43) we had the chances to win this but - we failed to capitalise on them going down to 10 men and gave away a stupid goal

v Nottm Forest 0-1 (xG 0.21 - 2.86) we were lucky not to lose by more

v Brentford 1-3 (xG 1.65 - 3.86) so about what we deserved from the game

v Man Utd 0-3 (xG 1.36 - 3.03) we missed a penalty and then folded but again seems to be what we deserved

v Ipswich 1-1 (xG 2.90 - 1.65) we deserved more from the game but failing to mark properly at a corner gave them a goal at the death

v Bournemouth 1-3 (xG 0.70 - 1.44) we deserved to lose though Bournemouth didn't create as much as the scoreline suggested

v Arsenal 1-3 (xG 1.27 - 3.25) we got what we deserved after a plucky opening

v Leicester 2-3 (xG 2.43 - 2.84) we conceded late goals including failing to mark from a corner again but Leicester had the better chances overall

v Man City 0-1 (xG 0.37 - 3.16) we were lucky not to lose by more

v Everton 1-0 (xG 0.54 - 1.79) we we lucky to win the game, Everton created more and better chances and had a goal disallowed that was marginal (and given the time taken probably not a clear and obvious error)

v Wolves 0-2 (xG 0.79 - 0.91) Wolves deserved to win barely - however, we didn't trouble the goalkeeper. Had a goal disallowed that might have stood on another day

If you look at the quality of chances created then, other than against the 10 men of Newcastle and Ipswich where we gave away silly goals we come out worst in every single game. Our only win wasn't exactly a display to build confidence from. 

Throw in the fact we've given away more chances by mistakes passing around the back than any other team, are the worst at defending from crosses and can't turn possession into chances it's hard to look at those results and say we're unlucky to be where we are in the table. In the games where it has been close then our style of football has led to us dropping points - that's not luck - that's tactics.

The idea that we've just had bad luck is an example of what is known as Outcome Bias in decision making. It means we fail to learn and adapt because we assume that when something goes against us it's out of our hands and when something goes for us it's because we did something good. It's telling that we have turned some good positions into defeats - but those have all come because of the way we play not because we're unlucky.

Watching Martin purring over the praise he got from Pep the other week was telling. It reminded me of one of my favourite quotes from the Basketball coach, Doc Rivers. Average players want to be left alone, good players want to be coached, great players want to be told the truth.

In the case of our manager, he gets so prickly when anyone questions his style. He operates on the basis that it's just bad luck that we are where we are. Then we start saying it's because our players aren't good enough to play his system - the players he oversaw the recruitment of during the summer. If the players aren't good enough - play a different system. If the system is good enough then why should we expect to lose almost every single game we play?

Gio, I get that you want Saints to do well but simply restating your belief that it's going to turn around and this is the only to challenge the footballing super powers is not grounded in any kind of reality. 

We been unlucky a few times. That’s cost us 4-6 points.imo. Thats it. You disagree? Ok. Perfectly fair. But 19 shots at Newcastle and no goals? Three  diabolical Ref decisions v wolves? We are so unlucky at times this season that there’s no green to rub off anymore.  

I’m not saying alls great, But not everything about Saints is as bad as some here keep saying. Barely anybody pipes up to say so. Dont mistake that silence for everyone agreeing with all that’s said anti RM on here.

Edited 15 November, 2024 by gio1saints

[Miltonaggro]

15 hours ago, gio1saints said:

I love Le Tiss. He was the BEST player in the league when at Saints. The BEST. And the system still fucked him and Saints over not playing for England. You  so wrong and you don’t really understand me at all if that’s what you think. 

McDonald's drive through in Shirley fucked him more than Terry Venables.  Later Marilyn from neighbours, lest we forget. 

[hypochondriac]

39 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

McDonald's drive through in Shirley fucked him more than Terry Venables.  Later Marilyn from neighbours, lest we forget. 

My mum went to see the panto at the mayflower that Tiss was in before that was officially announced and she was in the audience. She was adamant there was a thing between them and very smug when it came out. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

2 hours ago, gio1saints said:

We been unlucky a few times. That’s cost us 4-6 points.imo. Thats it. You disagree? Ok. Perfectly fair. But 19 shots at Newcastle and no goals? Three  diabolical Ref decisions v wolves? We are so unlucky at times this season that there’s no green to rub off anymore.  

I’m not saying alls great, But not everything about Saints is as bad as some here keep saying. Barely anybody pipes up to say so. Dont mistake that silence for everyone agreeing with all that’s said anti RM on here.

Can't hide behind ref decisions all of the time. Whose to say even if the decisons hadn't been made, would we had gone onto win the games? 

[Wade Garrett]

10 hours ago, gio1saints said:

We been unlucky a few times. That’s cost us 4-6 points.imo. Thats it. You disagree? Ok. Perfectly fair. But 19 shots at Newcastle and no goals? Three  diabolical Ref decisions v wolves? We are so unlucky at times this season that there’s no green to rub off anymore.  

I’m not saying alls great, But not everything about Saints is as bad as some here keep saying. Barely anybody pipes up to say so. Dont mistake that silence for everyone agreeing with all that’s said anti RM on here.

This season has been demoralising for supporters who actually attend home games.  It has been absolutely fucking dreadful.

To pretend otherwise is ridiculous.

Edited 15 November, 2024 by Wade Garrett

[Midfield_General]

3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

There are many myths in football and a lot of truths. ‘The table doesn’t lie’ is a constant truth.

I know someone who would disagree...

So much for “the table never lies“ – data unravels football’s biggest lie of all.

Ankersen, a 33-year-old Dane with a trim beard and hair pulled into a small ponytail, seems relaxed. 

“There’s a concept in football that the table never lies,” says Ankersen, whose own playing career was ended by a knee injury in his teens. “Well, that’s the biggest lie in football. Your league position is not the best metric to evaluate success.”

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/sport/2017/02/so-much-table-never-lies-data-unravels-footballs-biggest-lie-all

[coalman]

3 hours ago, gio1saints said:

We been unlucky a few times. That’s cost us 4-6 points.imo. Thats it. You disagree? Ok. Perfectly fair. But 19 shots at Newcastle and no goals? Three  diabolical Ref decisions v wolves? We are so unlucky at times this season that there’s no green to rub off anymore.  

It's funny how football fans only remember the times they were unlucky.

[revolution saint]

3 hours ago, gio1saints said:

We been unlucky a few times. That’s cost us 4-6 points.imo. Thats it. You disagree? Ok. Perfectly fair. But 19 shots at Newcastle and no goals? Three  diabolical Ref decisions v wolves? We are so unlucky at times this season that there’s no green to rub off anymore.  

I’m not saying alls great, But not everything about Saints is as bad as some here keep saying. Barely anybody pipes up to say so. Dont mistake that silence for everyone agreeing with all that’s said anti RM on here.

Table doesn't lie.  We've played 11 games (7 of those against teams also in the bottom half, 4 of which were at home).  You can argue that the squad isn't good enough, the manager isn't good enough, or both.  We're not down at the bottom because of bad luck though. 

19 shots at Newcastle and no goals - that's bad finishing, not luck.  Three diabolical decisions against Wolves - that's wishful thinking.  How about 70 odd percent  possession and no shots on target?  That last one is pretty damning and blaming bad luck or bad decisions is deflecting from an insipid, lacklustre and toothless performance.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

4 hours ago, gio1saints said:

That’s your opinion Whitney. I pointed out maybe 4-6 points could have been for us but for bad luck..  There is nothing getting straight about whether I have to accept your opinion, that we deserve nothing, it’s just an opinion. I think we’ve been a bit unlucky. At times. Thats all. It’s not the reason we are bottom but it’s part of it for sure. “Putting me straight “ in your usual manner does not make your opinion more right. 
“ Getting what we deserve “ is similarly an opinion.  I do not follow your opinion nor need putting straight on it. It is so easy to be black and white about our situation bottom of league fall points when there are obvious nuances to the picture. Nuances I point out but often get drowned out by the it’s all bad crowd. 

 

I am not sure you are not something that has been created by AI but nevertheless I will give you the benefit of the doubt. To say we have lost 4-6 points because of bad luck is facile and for you to use it as justification to argue Martin's corner shows how desperate you are. We are bottom of the League because we are the worst team in it and are managed by the worst manager. Now go feed that into some AI.

[Wade Garrett]

4 hours ago, gio1saints said:

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Edited 15 November, 2024 by Wade Garrett
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[Charlie Wayman]

6 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I don't think you understand how football contracts work. If Russ were to quit because he knew the club were lining up a replacement then he would literally be walking away from a fortune. He has a contract and if SR want to terminate that then, depending on the terms they agreed, they will have to pay him a very large sum of money to do so. If he were to resign then he gets nothing. 

You say everyone has their pride, but if you swap the d in that word for a c, it's still equally true, if not more so.

Interesting point. One or t'other.

[Miltonaggro]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

My mum went to see the panto at the mayflower that Tiss was in before that was officially announced and she was in the audience. She was adamant there was a thing between them and very smug when it came out. 

Your Mum clearly has an instinct and fine eye for detail with professional footballers and should be heading up our scouting team.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

I know someone who would disagree...

So much for “the table never lies“ – data unravels football’s biggest lie of all.

Ankersen, a 33-year-old Dane with a trim beard and hair pulled into a small ponytail, seems relaxed. 

“There’s a concept in football that the table never lies,” says Ankersen, whose own playing career was ended by a knee injury in his teens. “Well, that’s the biggest lie in football. Your league position is not the best metric to evaluate success.”

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/sport/2017/02/so-much-table-never-lies-data-unravels-footballs-biggest-lie-all

It's that perspective that allows the correct structures to be put into place for long term success and growth, eschewing short term, reactionary decision making.

Those are the values under which we can really grow, fortunately with the very welcome investment of Dragon.

If we all keep the above in mind, then hurdles are just things to jump beyond. We can watch and enjoy the path to success under Ralph... I mean Nathan.. um... where did Jesse go... Ruben... oh, I know! Russell!

[gio1saints]

2 hours ago, revolution saint said:

Table doesn't lie.  We've played 11 games (7 of those against teams also in the bottom half, 4 of which were at home).  You can argue that the squad isn't good enough, the manager isn't good enough, or both.  We're not down at the bottom because of bad luck though. 

19 shots at Newcastle and no goals - that's bad finishing, not luck.  Three diabolical decisions against Wolves - that's wishful thinking.  How about 70 odd percent  possession and no shots on target?  That last one is pretty damning and blaming bad luck or bad decisions is deflecting from an insipid, lacklustre and toothless performance.

Ryan Manning had a perfectly good shot on goal, which went in, disallowed. Both wolves goals were clear fouls. Another day that’s 0-1 Saints.
Yes we’ve been Lacklustre at too many times and totally so in certain matches- and absolutely we’ve been toothless. Strikers been shite. But that’s not the issue of the post. I just saying we also been a tad unlucky. Should not cause too much consternation amongst those reading. Few correctedRef decisions we in bottom five still with the other four not very good teams - but not rock bottom as we are. 

[coalman]

5 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Ryan Manning had a perfectly good shot on goal, which went in, disallowed. Both wolves goals were clear fouls. Another day that’s 0-1 Saints.
Yes we’ve been Lacklustre at too many times and totally so in certain matches- and absolutely we’ve been toothless. Strikers been shite. But that’s not the issue of the post. I just saying we also been a tad unlucky. Should not cause too much consternation amongst those reading. Few correctedRef decisions we in bottom five still with the other four not very good teams - but not rock bottom as we are. 

The other four teams could also point to things which went against them. Everton for starters against us.

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

I know someone who would disagree...

So much for “the table never lies“ – data unravels football’s biggest lie of all.

Ankersen, a 33-year-old Dane with a trim beard and hair pulled into a small ponytail, seems relaxed. 

“There’s a concept in football that the table never lies,” says Ankersen, whose own playing career was ended by a knee injury in his teens. “Well, that’s the biggest lie in football. Your league position is not the best metric to evaluate success.”

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/sport/2017/02/so-much-table-never-lies-data-unravels-footballs-biggest-lie-all

That sort of reinforces the point. The ponytail only confirms it.

[Whitey Grandad]

27 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

It's that perspective that allows the correct structures to be put into place for long term success and growth, eschewing short term, reactionary decision making.

Those are the values under which we can really grow, fortunately with the very welcome investment of Dragon.

If we all keep the above in mind, then hurdles are just things to jump beyond. We can watch and enjoy the path to success under Ralph... I mean Nathan.. um... where did Jesse go... Ruben... oh, I know! Russell!

Or…

The table’s upside down and the rest of the football world is marching out of step with us.

[saintant]

42 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Ryan Manning had a perfectly good shot on goal, which went in, disallowed. Both wolves goals were clear fouls. Another day that’s 0-1 Saints.
Yes we’ve been Lacklustre at too many times and totally so in certain matches- and absolutely we’ve been toothless. Strikers been shite. But that’s not the issue of the post. I just saying we also been a tad unlucky. Should not cause too much consternation amongst those reading. Few correctedRef decisions we in bottom five still with the other four not very good teams - but not rock bottom as we are. 

It doesn't work like that. If any of those decisions had been different the whole outcome of the pattern of the game would have changed - it wouldn't be 1-0 to us just because they had two goals chalked off and ours was allowed to stand. If their first goal is disallowed Manning doesn't score and have his disallowed, simple as that.

[SouSaint]

1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

Ryan Manning had a perfectly good shot on goal, which went in, disallowed. Both wolves goals were clear fouls. Another day that’s 0-1 Saints.
Yes we’ve been Lacklustre at too many times and totally so in certain matches- and absolutely we’ve been toothless. Strikers been shite. But that’s not the issue of the post. I just saying we also been a tad unlucky. Should not cause too much consternation amongst those reading. Few correctedRef decisions we in bottom five still with the other four not very good teams - but not rock bottom as we are. 

Where's the foul for the first Wolves goal?

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, SouSaint said:

Where's the foul for the first Wolves goal?

If you have to ask, you are not worthy of Russball.

[SouSaint]

Just now, Weston Super Saint said:

If you have to ask, you are not worthy of Russball.

Thank fuck for that. 

[coalman]

8 minutes ago, SouSaint said:

Thank fuck for that. 

For the crime of being unworthy I sentence you to... Russball

[Toussaint]

28 minutes ago, SouSaint said:

Where's the foul for the first Wolves goal?

It’s not so much a foul, more of a crime against Russball, football at its ugliest. A fast break ending with a shot at goal, shouldn’t be allowed.

[coalman]

13 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

It’s not so much a foul, more of a crime against Russball, football at its ugliest. A fast break ending with a shot at goal, shouldn’t be allowed.

We truly are the victim of many crimes this season.

[Football Special]

5 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

I know someone who would disagree...

So much for “the table never lies“ – data unravels football’s biggest lie of all.

Ankersen, a 33-year-old Dane with a trim beard and hair pulled into a small ponytail, seems relaxed. 

“There’s a concept in football that the table never lies,” says Ankersen, whose own playing career was ended by a knee injury in his teens. “Well, that’s the biggest lie in football. Your league position is not the best metric to evaluate success.”

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/sport/2017/02/so-much-table-never-lies-data-unravels-footballs-biggest-lie-all

And don't we just know it ! 

[revolution saint]

2 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Ryan Manning had a perfectly good shot on goal, which went in, disallowed. Both wolves goals were clear fouls. Another day that’s 0-1 Saints.
Yes we’ve been Lacklustre at too many times and totally so in certain matches- and absolutely we’ve been toothless. Strikers been shite. But that’s not the issue of the post. I just saying we also been a tad unlucky. Should not cause too much consternation amongst those reading. Few correctedRef decisions we in bottom five still with the other four not very good teams - but not rock bottom as we are. 

TBH I can see why our goal against Wolves was disallowed.  Harsh?  Maybe, maybe not.  If you're clinging to that then good luck but after 11 games, rock bottom of the league and deservedly so isn't just bad luck. I'd rather point to the areas we can control and bad luck is a card any team at the bottom can play, it only serves to deflect from the real failings.

Personally I don't think either the manager or squad is good enough and I don't have any confidence that sacking Martin will result in a better manager capable of getting us out of the bottom three.

[Challenger]

1 hour ago, coalman said:

We truly are the victim of many crimes this season.

We might soon be referred to as a shittier, poor man's Liverpool.

[gio1saints]

6 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

This has season has been demoralising for supporters who actually attend home games.  It has been absolutely fucking dreadful.

To pretend otherwise is ridiculous.

Classic straw man argument. 
(a) I agree it has been demoralising for supporters. 
(b) it has ( often) been fucking dreadful 

(c) but where the fuck - apart from your insinuation have I said that it’s not? 
 

This part of thread is only saying at times bit unlucky. Fuck me, you see my name and make up whatever lying shit you like as a response don’t you? 

Edited 15 November, 2024 by gio1saints

[Toussaint]

43 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Classic straw man argument. 
(a) I agree it has been demoralising for supporters. 
(b) it has ( often) been fucking dreadful 

(c) but where the fuck - apart from your insinuation have I said that it’s not? 
 

This part of thread is only saying at times bit unlucky. Fuck me, you see my name and make up whatever lying shit you like as a response don’t you? 

Calm down Gio. Absolute respect to you for standing by your principles, but you always descend into some kind of apoplexy. Calmo, oh mio fratello. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

If you’re 20th after a couple of games you could blame the officials somewhat.

If you’re bottom of the league halfway through the season, fundamentally the squad isn’t up to it. 

That is our current trajectory. And tactical naivety will hurt us. He doesn’t want to adapt and learn from mistakes.

[SWLondon Saint]

32 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

If you’re bottom of the league halfway through the season, fundamentally the squad isn’t up to it. 

Mm, I dunno. We do have one of the weakest squads obviously, but I think if you gave Martin any of the squads in the bottom half and he insisted on playing the way we have, I reckon he'd still have them rock bottom.  Literally no-one is playing like we do, even Man City.

[verlaine1979]

1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

Classic straw man argument. 
(a) I agree it has been demoralising for supporters. 
(b) it has ( often) been fucking dreadful 

(c) but where the fuck - apart from your insinuation have I said that it’s not? 
 

This part of thread is only saying at times bit unlucky. Fuck me, you see my name and make up whatever lying shit you like as a response don’t you? 

Out of curiousity, how often have you seen b) fucking dreadful transform into d) an odds-defying football dynasty for the ages?

[The Kraken]

1 hour ago, Toussaint said:

Calm down Gio. Absolute respect to you for standing by your principles, but you always descend into some kind of apoplexy. Calmo, oh mio fratello. 

Yet again he resorts to meltdown and lots of swearing. It’s such a common theme. The guy needs to calm down a bit.

[FarehamSaintJames]

There’s nothing wrong with RM wanting to stick to what’s tried and tested, but you have to adapt in this league. 

A team of out depth and level is always going to be waiting for opportunities to open and this is where we need to be prepared to counter attack teams.

Dominating the ball means nothing if you have zero points at the end of every game.

[AlexLaw76]

9 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Classic straw man argument. 
(a) I agree it has been demoralising for supporters. 
(b) it has ( often) been fucking dreadful 

(c) but where the fuck - apart from your insinuation have I said that it’s not? 
 

This part of thread is only saying at times bit unlucky. Fuck me, you see my name and make up whatever lying shit you like as a response don’t you?