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pingpong

pingpong

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  On 29/10/2024 at 10:41, SWLondon Saint said:

One other thought - which players do Martin's supporters think he has made better? Because if he's moving things in the right direction, you'd generally expect some players to be playing better than they have previously and being eyed up by the big clubs. But it seems like the opposite is happening in the last year. And no, Dibling doesn't count.

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Not sure why dibling doesn't count, but it would be quicker to name players who haven't improved? Nearly all of our players are better than they were before he joined, some markedly so, eg bednarek, smallbone, kwp.  But being better doesn't make them good enough for the premier league, or to be eyed by big clubs.  The best manager in the world can't get smallbone to real Madrid level.

So easier question, who has gotten worse, or stayed the same?  Sulemana maybe? Anyone else?

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Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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  On 29/10/2024 at 11:10, skintsaint said:

Supposedly the top paid player at Brighton is £87k a week. Matt O'Riley is on 50k a week allegedly. Think your figures are too high.

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Very possibly - difficult to know nowadays - I see they have 14 players on £50k plus!

Apparently Ramsdale is on £120k PW 😬 

 

Looks at this though...

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 28/10/2024 at 19:27, Weston Super Saint said:

None of that explains your claim that we couldn't spend more due to PSR.

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  On 28/10/2024 at 19:33, Farmer Saint said:

I never said we couldn't spend more, it's more couldn't spend effectively and on what we needed ie. We couldn't buy 4 players at £30m and on £100k PW, due to PSR, which is what we needed to do.

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https://www.capology.com/club/brentford/salaries/

But Brentford (solid mid table for multiple seasons) haven't got loads of players on 4 year contracts for £100k a week.

I wished I'd looked at this website before now because you've been going on about this PSR bullshit since the summer.

We spent loads this summer and we're still shit.

There are multiple reasons but one of them isn't some bollocks about financial fair play.

 

 

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Mr X

Mr X

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The guys lost the fucking plot if he thinks tonight is the most important game of the season! Just want him gone now he's damaging the club! 

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Toussaint

Toussaint

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  On 29/10/2024 at 17:21, Mr X said:

The guys lost the fucking plot if he thinks tonight is the most important game of the season! Just want him gone now he's damaging the club! 

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Maybe he thinks it’s an opportunity to win and build confidence? Of course it could go complete other way. 

Mr X

Mr X

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  On 29/10/2024 at 17:23, Toussaint said:

Maybe he thinks it’s an opportunity to win and build confidence? Of course it could go complete other way. 

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The only win we need is a premier league one and Martin can't deliver that so I guess he thinks this is the next best thing! 😂 

Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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  On 29/10/2024 at 16:51, CB Fry said:

 

https://www.capology.com/club/brentford/salaries/

But Brentford (solid mid table for multiple seasons) haven't got loads of players on 4 year contracts for £100k a week.

I wished I'd looked at this website before now because you've been going on about this PSR bullshit since the summer.

We spent loads this summer and we're still shit.

There are multiple reasons but one of them isn't some bollocks about financial fair play.

 

 

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What you on about - Brentford are already full of established PL players - that's got nowt to do with PSR, just that they have bought extremely well and are very well managed? Criticise the fact that we need better players for sure, but that's not what PSR is about.

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Farmer Saint

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So looking at who should be our rivals:

Bournemouth - 11 players over £50k, average £63k, £36m per annum

Brentford - 4 players, £56k, £12m

Wolves -  7 players, £71k, £26m

Ipswich - 1 player, £150k, £8m

Leicester - 12 players, £76k, £47m

Everton - 12 players, £81k, £50m

Palace - 15 players, £68k, £53m

Saints - 5 players, £77, £20m (including Bednarek, Aribo, Cornet and Armstrong - Ramsdale is on £120k)

Nothing to discuss, just quite interesting to see what everyone is up against. Frank is quite clearly an outstanding Manager and they have done very well with an established core of players.

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 29/10/2024 at 17:55, Farmer Saint said:

What you on about - Brentford are already full of established PL players - that's got nowt to do with PSR, just that they have bought extremely well and are very well managed? Criticise the fact that we need better players for sure, but that's not what PSR is about.

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Sorry is there a different wage bill website showing all the Brentford players on £100k a week four year contracts? They're all established Premier League players so they must be on that then.

Which players are they?

Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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  On 29/10/2024 at 19:15, CB Fry said:

Sorry is there a different wage bill website showing all the Brentford players on £100k a week four year contracts? They're all established Premier League players so they must be on that then.

Which players are they?

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I'm not sure if you read earlier - I did say the £100k pw was probably overstated - oh, you must have as you replied to it?

I wish we were Brentford.

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Mr X

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I still don't get how SR didn't predict that Martin would be dismal in the premier league everyone was saying he might get away with his style in the championship but it would be suicide in The premier league without world class players not only did they not forsee it they gave the him a new contract without any prior evidence that he could deliver the step up!

I'll give Martin credit though he must have been clever with his contract there must have been a clause that in the event of promotion that the club had to extend his contract! why else would they do it? Madness

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 29/10/2024 at 19:19, Farmer Saint said:

I'm not sure if you read earlier - I did say the £100k pw was probably overstated - oh, you must have as you replied to it?

I wish we were Brentford.

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You've been saying for some time how we can't compete (specifically with clubs like Brentford) because of we can't match their wages because of financial fair play.

You've been saying last year's 3-straight-back-down was now going to be the norm every season because of financial fair play restrictions.

Turns out they aren't actually paying more than us.

So you're saying all that stuff was load of bollocks after all? 

I'm very open to accepting your apology.

 

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 29/10/2024 at 07:51, Farmer Saint said:

Bless, looks who's angry now...

The point is you don't need a source to work out that we couldn't buy 4 x £30m players on £100k pw, you just need common sense to work it out - but if you can't see that then fine.

I assume you did vote Brexit then 😂 Is that why you're so suspicious now and need a source, because you got hoodwinked then and you don't want to come across as that stupid again?

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Giving it the fucking big one here though, weren't you.

Bless.

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saintant

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Another masterclass inspired by the genius of Russell Martin - I'm sure Pep will have run a tape and will be using it in preparation for City's next game.

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Suhari

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RussBall: Dull. Boring. No defensive organisation. Limited attacking threat. Little apparent pride, urgency or effort.

Completely shite. This isn't the game I've adored 50 years.

Want him gone.

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saintant

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If Martin can't set up a side to play decent football against a very poor Stoke side it shows just how limited his talents are. We should have given them a chasing and won by 4 or 5 nil but, in the end, it could have gone either way.

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Gloucester Saint

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  On 29/10/2024 at 21:58, Suhari said:

Little apparent pride, urgency or effort

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That’s what really struck me amongst a hilariously chaotic game which did keep me engaged (rare for Saints these days) - the level of fitness has sunk to the 2008 Dodd and Gorman days. Stoke reserves looked quicker and stronger even if the technical refinement wasn’t there after about 40 minutes. A few of the Saints players looked like they were really blowing out of their backsides.

It’s a long way from the WGS side who scored late goals regularly, Poch double training and Ralph pressing. We did score a lot of late goals last season tbf, but the fitness seems to have dropped when we’ve gone up a division.

Still, Kraft was too busy having a laugh with Russell to notice.

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Lighthouse

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  On 29/10/2024 at 22:03, saintant said:

If Martin can't set up a side to play decent football against a very poor Stoke side it shows just how limited his talents are. We should have given them a chasing and won by 4 or 5 nil but, in the end, it could have gone either way.

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Koeman went out of the cup at League 1 Sheffield Utd. Strachan needed an injury time equaliser at home to Millwall in round four to reach the 2003 final. Puel got to Wembley with an absolute dredge of a performance against Palace, saved by one moment of brilliance by Boufal. Poch went out against Sunderland with everyone fuming that he’d rested players.

If you think we’re entitled to a default 5-0 performance in any cup tie, I don’t know which club you’ve been supporting up until now.

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Patrick Bateman

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  On 29/10/2024 at 22:07, Gloucester Saint said:

That’s what really struck me amongst a hilariously chaotic game which did keep me engaged (rare for Saints these days) - the level of fitness has sunk to the 2008 Dodd and Gorman days. Stoke reserves looked quicker and stronger even if the technical refinement wasn’t there after about 40 minutes. A few of the Saints players looked like they were really blowing out of their backsides.

It’s a long way from the WGS side who scored late goals regularly, Poch double training and Ralph pressing. We did score a lot of late goals last season tbf, but the fitness seems to have dropped when we’ve gone up a division.

Still, Kraft was too busy having a laugh with Russell to notice.

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Agreed on fitness - I said this a couple of times too, it's really noticeable in this league, they do not look a fit bunch of players compared to other teams and nothing like the fitness demanded by Strachan, Pochetino and Hassenhuttl as you say.

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SWLondon Saint

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  On 29/10/2024 at 22:14, Patrick Bateman said:

Agreed on fitness - I said this a couple of times too, it's really noticeable in this league, they do not look a fit bunch of players compared to other teams and nothing like the fitness demanded by Strachan, Pochetino and Hassenhuttl as you say.

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I've said before we're a mess on various defensive aspects, but this is a good point - it could be fitness, but I think it's more likely to be a lack of focus on defensive rigour by the coaching staff. To defend well is pretty similar in many sports and the number 1 thing off the block is you have to really want to defend well and take pride in defending. You can always see which teams do that and which haven't put the work in. And to me, we look like the latter.

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Saint in Paradise

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  On 29/10/2024 at 22:10, Lighthouse said:

 

If you think we’re entitled to a default 5-0 performance in any cup tie, I don’t know which club you’ve been supporting up until now.

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That maybe true about fans not being entitled to win 5-0 BUT fans are entitled to see the manager and his team at least try to win 5-0.

Especially against a lower league team AND also not run out of steam due to poor fitness levels.

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notnowcato

notnowcato

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  On 29/10/2024 at 22:10, Lighthouse said:

Koeman went out of the cup at League 1 Sheffield Utd. Strachan needed an injury time equaliser at home to Millwall in round four to reach the 2003 final. Puel got to Wembley with an absolute dredge of a performance against Palace, saved by one moment of brilliance by Boufal. Poch went out against Sunderland with everyone fuming that he’d rested players.

If you think we’re entitled to a default 5-0 performance in any cup tie, I don’t know which club you’ve been supporting up until now.

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Awaits CB shitting his pants about this comparison of Martin being as good as Koeman 😂

Jesus wept. 

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 29/10/2024 at 22:10, Lighthouse said:

Koeman went out of the cup at League 1 Sheffield Utd. Strachan needed an injury time equaliser at home to Millwall in round four to reach the 2003 final. Puel got to Wembley with an absolute dredge of a performance against Palace, saved by one moment of brilliance by Boufal. Poch went out against Sunderland with everyone fuming that he’d rested players.

If you think we’re entitled to a default 5-0 performance in any cup tie, I don’t know which club you’ve been supporting up until now.

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Strachan, Koeman, Puel and Pochettino were all significantly better than Russell Martin though. Russell Martin is fucking useless league and cup.

You get to have terrible cup ties if in the day job is half decent.

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notnowcato

notnowcato

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  On 29/10/2024 at 22:28, CB Fry said:

Strachan, Koeman, Puel and Pochettino were all significantly better than Russell Martin though. Russell Martin is fucking useless league and cup.

You get to have terrible cup ties if in the day job is half decent.

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Oh so predictable 

Have a day off

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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 29/10/2024 at 22:28, CB Fry said:

Russell Martin is fucking useless league and cup

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We’re in the QF having scored nine goals in three games and won a shootout at Goodison. If that’s ‘fucking useless’ I can’t wait to see what ‘average’ looks like under the next manager.

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Harry_SFC

Harry_SFC

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  On 29/10/2024 at 22:28, CB Fry said:

Strachan, Koeman, Puel and Pochettino were all significantly better than Russell Martin though. Russell Martin is fucking useless league and cup.

You get to have terrible cup ties if in the day job is half decent.

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Exactly. How anyone can compare this to Koeman, Poch, Strachan is hilarious. All 3 had very good premier league records. Martin has 1 premier league point.

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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  On 29/10/2024 at 22:33, Lighthouse said:

We’re in the QF having scored nine goals in three games and won a shootout at Goodison. If that’s ‘fucking useless’ I can’t wait to see what ‘average’ looks like under the next manager.

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Now we've won, it's all thanks to Martin again, yes?

During the match he was a helpless bystander unable to do anything about the players he was lumbered with.....

  On 29/10/2024 at 22:10, Lighthouse said:

Do you think a different manager would be able to build a better game plan around the hapless performances of Les, Cornet and Suga?

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If we'd have lost you'd on here blaming everything except him, as you have through the league campaign. The players are shit the players are shit, not his fault.

 

Face facts. As I say, fucking useless league and cup.

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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  On 29/10/2024 at 22:40, CB Fry said:

Now we've won, it's all thanks to Martin again, yes?

During the match he was a helpless bystander unable to do anything about the players he was lumbered with.....

If we'd have lost you'd on here blaming everything except him, as you have through the league campaign. The players are shit the players are shit, not his fault.

 

Face facts. As I say, fucking useless league and cup.

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Nathan Jones made the semi-finals and even beat Man City. Yet along with Pellegrino still widely considered our worst ever manager.

Ian Branfoot couldn’t believe his luck.

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RedArmy

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  On 29/10/2024 at 22:33, Lighthouse said:

We’re in the QF having scored nine goals in three games and won a shootout at Goodison. If that’s ‘fucking useless’ I can’t wait to see what ‘average’ looks like under the next manager.

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Yeah brilliant. What a genius he is needing two late winners against the reserve teams of two of the shittest teams in the championship. 
 

Build the statue. 

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Lee On Solent Saint

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  On 29/10/2024 at 22:33, Lighthouse said:

We’re in the QF having scored nine goals in three games and won a shootout at Goodison. If that’s ‘fucking useless’ I can’t wait to see what ‘average’ looks like under the next manager.

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We hardly looked comfortable in any of those games. Needed last minute goals to get past Cardiff and Stoke.

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Turkish

Turkish

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  On 29/10/2024 at 23:31, Lee On Solent Saint said:

We hardly looked comfortable in any of those games. Needed last minute goals to get past Cardiff and Stoke.

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  On 29/10/2024 at 23:21, RedArmy said:

Yeah brilliant. What a genius he is needing two late winners against the reserve teams of two of the shittest teams in the championship. 
 

Build the statue. 

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Can only beat what’s in front of you

brilliant resilience to bounce back after giving away the leads. 
 

superb tactics and substitutes to get the winners. 
 

Yet all you do is complain 🤦

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 29/10/2024 at 21:18, Harry_SFC said:

Sick of watching this side under RM now. You can only take so much.

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  On 29/10/2024 at 21:58, Suhari said:

RussBall: Dull. Boring. No defensive organisation. Limited attacking threat. Little apparent pride, urgency or effort.

Completely shite. This isn't the game I've adored 50 years.

Want him gone.

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He has killed my love for football and for that may he rot in hell.

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Mboto Gorge

Mboto Gorge

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  On 29/10/2024 at 22:33, Lighthouse said:

We’re in the QF having scored nine goals in three games and won a shootout at Goodison. If that’s ‘fucking useless’ I can’t wait to see what ‘average’ looks like under the next manager.

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Bless you, you’re using a league cup run as an example to praise our manager who has 1 point from 9 league games, due to a penalty shootout win against a relegation rival, an injury time win away to a side who were bottom of the championship , and an 88th min at home to a weakened bottom 6 championship side having given up a 2-0 lead, as some sort of glowing reference to how good he is? Classic stuff 

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AlexLaw76

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Well well well…it appears we have a significantly higher wage bill than Brentford, almost comparable with Brighton…..and not far off double that of Ipswich

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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  On 29/10/2024 at 08:08, Chewy said:

As a neutral (and very reluctant) observer to this particular discussion, can I just say that to the casual observer you’ve lost this one.

Give up and save some face, you’re looking like a bit of a plonker

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Agree with this.

Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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  On 30/10/2024 at 05:12, Maggie May said:

Quarter finals! Get in!

First win of the PL season coming up against Everton. Cannot wait for the eventual u-turn from posters on here. 

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I will gladly u turn if by some miracle we win enough games to stay up. However this absolute shit show of passing back to centre halves all the time means I very much doubt it.

Again last night we left their number 22 alone on edge of the box from a corner what does it take for penny to drop? Ball went to him too luckily Rams was fouled 

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Toussaint

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  On 29/10/2024 at 23:37, Turkish said:

 

Can only beat what’s in front of you

brilliant resilience to bounce back after giving away the leads. 
 

superb tactics and substitutes to get the winners. 
 

Yet all you do is complain 🤦

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At least you understand “what we are building” I’m just too dumb to comprehend it.

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