Russell Martin

[Badger]

2 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

It’s almost Orwellian. 

 

Winners of the Dystopian Premier League .... (you'll never sing that)

[Forester]

If I am reading the briefing correctly, they are saying, in effect, “next few games crucial”.  
 

To my mind this is worse than saying nothing.  If we do lose our next three games, it is almost impossible to stay up and almost impossible, as a consequence, to attract a good manager.  While absolutely not supporting it, I at least can comprehend why they may stay with Martin despite relegation.  But to sack him after these last crucial opportunities is madness.

It needs to happen before the Everton and Wolves games.

[Mr Nimbus]

15 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

3 years, but no as you're investment is far smaller - an extra £20m per player purchased and £50k PW per player is huge amounts.

I guess if you look at some of our recruitment in the summer (Wood & Edwards) this gives further credence to the idea of Yo-Yoing

You likely sell THB and JB, Edwards and Wood are already "in the building" with a year of working with Martin. 

You'll flip Fernandes (similar to how we did with Charley) 

The rest is much of a muchness. 

I don't agree with it btw, but I can see why they may have approached the recruitment in that way

[Kermitzasaint]

Whilst it's possible that SR has approached Moyes and Potter and were rejected ( questionable due to the poster). It's feasible that it's SR who were rejected rather than our team as such. If SR demanded that a new coach continue Russball in all its glory, that could be the reason they were not interested 

[Saint NL]

Maybe the owners plan isn't necessarily making money, but winning things?

 

Winning the PL? Too hard.

Winning the Championship? It could happen. Darn that stupid promotion getting in the way 

[Farmer Saint]

23 minutes ago, Mr Nimbus said:

I guess if you look at some of our recruitment in the summer (Wood & Edwards) this gives further credence to the idea of Yo-Yoing

You likely sell THB and JB, Edwards and Wood are already "in the building" with a year of working with Martin. 

You'll flip Fernandes (similar to how we did with Charley) 

The rest is much of a muchness. 

I don't agree with it btw, but I can see why they may have approached the recruitment in that way

Not sure anyone is going to buy THB - doesn't look PL quality tbh.

[Farmer Saint]

23 minutes ago, Kermitzasaint said:

Whilst it's possible that SR has approached Moyes and Potter and were rejected ( questionable due to the poster). It's feasible that it's SR who were rejected rather than our team as such. If SR demanded that a new coach continue Russball in all its glory, that could be the reason they were not interested 

It's to do with not wanting to ruin their reputation by taking us down (as OPTA and the betting markets outlined before the season we are judged to have the worst team in the League) as opposed to SR denoting a style of play - remember SR brought in Jones who certainly did not play that way.

[beatlesaint]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's to do with not wanting to ruin their reputation by taking us down (as OPTA and the betting markets outlined before the season we are judged to have the worst team in the League) as opposed to SR denoting a style of play - remember SR brought in Jones who certainly did not play that way.

Surely, beyond the familiar names in England, there must be some up and coming over-seas Coach who plays the style of football they want, i mean this prick didnt invent it.....altho he can lay claim to the pointless centre half to centre half to centre half to centre half passing in the most dangerous area of the pitch if he wants..... 

Havent the club got the tools, manpower and time to analyse these things and find someone ffs? They found Ralph and most of us had never heard of him !

Edited 23 October, 2024 by beatlesaint

[coalman]

1 minute ago, beatlesaint said:

Havent the club got the tools, manpower and time to analyse these things and find someone ffs?

Magic 8 ball says no. The last 2 years rather strongly indicate they haven't got the tools to find someone. When the tools seem to be Rasmus-stumbles-on-a-statistical-outlier.

That's how we got such hits as "hey Ralph meet your new assistant manager", "Nathan best stats in Europe" and "Russell possession is nine tenths of the goal".

[Dman]

3 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Moyes isn't interested - turned our enquiry down last week (as did Potter).

Moyes or Potter would be silly to take our offer right now. Palace, West Ham, Wolves, maybe Leciester, Everton and dare I say it United (who knows what that'll spark - i.e Brenford possibly) will all likley be hunting for a new manager in the next month or so. We're 2-3 weeks too late and in 2-3 weeks we'll be picking up the scraps. 

That's not to say we shouldn't pull the trigger ASAP. There will still be plently out there who'd be keen to take a step into the PL, see us as a stepping stone (as ralph did).

Under Lego were 100% going down - most likley at record levels. Rolling the dice might (unlikley) keep us up. 

[Colinjb]

15 minutes ago, Dman said:

Under Lego were 100% going down - most likley at record levels. Rolling the dice might (unlikley) keep us up. 

Almost more importantly at this stage, it will give us some hope. It will make following the team interesting rather then futile. 

And from the club's perspective; Lose the fans, lose even more revenue.

Edited 23 October, 2024 by Colinjb

[Dman]

8 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

Almost more importantly at this stage, it will give us some hope. It will make following the team interesting rather then futile. 

And from the club's perspective; Lose the fans, lose even more revenue.

I guess that depends on who they appoint. Another Nathan Jones type and it wont... 

[Farmer Saint]

40 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Surely, beyond the familiar names in England, there must be some up and coming over-seas Coach who plays the style of football they want, i mean this prick didnt invent it.....altho he can lay claim to the pointless centre half to centre half to centre half to centre half passing in the most dangerous area of the pitch if he wants..... 

Havent the club got the tools, manpower and time to analyse these things and find someone ffs? They found Ralph and most of us had never heard of him !

We were an established Premier League team, with a decent(ish) quality squad. Hassenhuttl didn't come out of nowhere - he finished 2nd in the Bundesliga with a newly promoted Leipzig, played CL football and then finished 6th the following season.

That calibre of Manager is not coming to us now.

[Colinjb]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

We were an established Premier League team, with a decent(ish) quality squad. Hassenhuttl didn't come out of nowhere - he finished 2nd in the Bundesliga with a newly promoted Leipzig, played CL football and then finished 6th the following season.

That calibre of Manager is not coming to us now.

So, it needs to be someone up and coming with potential.

Essentially someone like Martin, but who has actually achieved something first and shows they can set up a defence.

It would be tempting to look at someone like Mark Robbins or maybe even Rob Edwards.

Edited 23 October, 2024 by Colinjb

[Gloucester Saint]

17 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

So, it needs to be someone up and coming with potential.

Essentially someone like Martin, but who has actually achieved something first and shows they can set up a defence.

It’ll be someone who is a highly regarded coach within a bigger club set-up like Maresca was for Leicester, although he loves the same slow pass around the back style as Martin! Although at Chelsea he has the budget to actually do it at PL level.

It’ll be their first management role in a major club first team - a younger Jason Wilcox. Jack Wilshere just left his role at Arsenal to be a first team coach to the new Danish manager at Norwich. He’s too junior currently but someone with that profile and playing record is probably an option they’ll look at.

Edited 23 October, 2024 by Gloucester Saint

[Dman]

18 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

So, it needs to be someone up and coming with potential.

Essentially someone like Martin, but who has actually achieved something first and shows they can set up a defence.

It would be tempting to look at someone like Mark Robbins or maybe even Rob Edwards.

Once bitten, twice shy. After the Jones experiment (who had a much better record on paper than Edwards - similar to Robins), I'd steer well clear of an appointment like this. 

[Wade Garrett]

33 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It’ll be someone who is a highly regarded coach within a bigger club set-up like Maresca was for Leicester, although he loves the same slow pass around the back style as Martin! Although at Chelsea he has the budget to actually do it at PL level.

It’ll be their first management role in a major club first team - a younger Jason Wilcox. Jack Wilshere just left his role at Arsenal to be a first team coach to the new Danish manager at Norwich. He’s too junior currently but someone with that profile and playing record is probably an option they’ll look at.

Fucking hell, might as well appoint a newborn baby.

[Oldandtired]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not sure anyone is going to buy THB - doesn't look PL quality tbh.

I better go and have a lie down... that's two of FS's posts  I agree with today😳

[Bakovnetski]

2 hours ago, Kermitzasaint said:

Whilst it's possible that SR has approached Moyes and Potter and were rejected ( questionable due to the poster). It's feasible that it's SR who were rejected rather than our team as such. If SR demanded that a new coach continue Russball in all its glory, that could be the reason they were not interested 

Or they offered a short term or rolling contract like previously 

[Cabrone]

Is there no-one internally that might fit or are they all wedded to the RM style themselves? At least they should have a good idea of what players they have.

[coalman]

Won't somebody think of the scar tissue this season is going to cause?

[Bakovnetski]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not sure anyone is going to buy THB - doesn't look PL quality tbh.

Honestly don't agree with that. He may not be the finished article but all he needs is a Jose Toby or Virgil alongside him to grow....not Janny B, bless him.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Ok. So we go down under Martin because SR think he's fuckin God or something. Back in the Championship, are they that stupid to think the fan base are still going to want Martin to be here? If results are still the same in say December or January, St Mary's is going to be empty save for all the Martin fanboys. Season ticket sells will be absolutely shite.

[Badger]

31 minutes ago, Bakovnetski said:

Honestly don't agree with that. He may not be the finished article but all he needs is a Jose Toby or Virgil alongside him to grow....not Janny B, bless him.

Agree, but finding one of those that is affordable is more challenging.

[leeham_69]

1 hour ago, Colinjb said:

It would be tempting to look at someone like Mark Robbins or maybe even Rob Edwards.

For a moment I thought this said Tony Robbins - there are worse coaches out there, could be an inspired SR pick?

 

[Gloucester Saint]

57 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Fucking hell, might as well appoint a newborn baby.

If what FS says is correct about a no from Moyes/Potter - but it wouldn’t be a surprise in our context let’s face it from their perspective with Palace and other jobs probably around the corner.

The biggest change is SR having a proper Head of Football with serious depth of industry hands-on experience. Then if Saints have a younger first team manager they might stand more of a chance with some support behind them. Jones didn’t help himself but he’d have handled the media aspects better with an older head to advise and steer, Martin has struggled post-Wilcox after winning the play offs. 

Still a risk that you end up with a Michael Beale type but either that or a more experienced figure with baggage many on here won’t like. Without a restructure at SR, chances are we go around in a Watford/Norwich loop, at best. The Blades have a chance of breaking that with Wilder there.

Edited 23 October, 2024 by Gloucester Saint

[Bob60]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not sure anyone is going to buy THB - doesn't look PL quality tbh.

So you are saying that like it's a fact after 8 games in the prem and ignoring the fact that he may improve in the next 30 prem games😂😂

[SaintLondon]

I'm not sure it's true Moyes has turned down the approach, I'm not saying he *wouldn't* turn it down but I don't think SR are that far ahead yet. 

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Bakovnetski said:

Honestly don't agree with that. He may not be the finished article but all he needs is a Jose Toby or Virgil alongside him to grow....not Janny B, bless him.

That may be true, I agree - our central defenders are jank - but I am erring on the side of caution that he is just not that good, as we've only seen him be not that good in the PL.

[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, Bob60 said:

So you are saying that like it's a fact after 8 games in the prem and ignoring the fact that he may improve in the next 30 prem games😂😂

Could say the same about Martin tbh...but to me the fact that Kompany decided against signing him for Burnley, and the way he has started this season, it points towards him not being good enough. If he improves then great, but I'm not sure I see it myself.

Edited 23 October, 2024 by Farmer Saint

[Charlie Wayman]

17 minutes ago, Bob60 said:

So you are saying that like it's a fact after 8 games in the prem and ignoring the fact that he may improve in the next 30 prem games😂😂

Other opinions are available

[Dark Munster]

58 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Ok. So we go down under Martin because SR think he's fuckin God or something. Back in the Championship, are they that stupid to think the fan base are still going to want Martin to be here? If results are still the same in say December or January, St Mary's is going to be empty save for all the Martin fanboys. Season ticket sells will be absolutely shite.

Never underestimate the stupidity of SR.

[Farmer Saint]

12 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

I'm not sure it's true Moyes has turned down the approach, I'm not saying he *wouldn't* turn it down but I don't think SR are that far ahead yet. 

I have been told that both Potter and Moyes were sounded out by SR in the last 2 weeks and are not interested.

[Nolan]

I think people are missing that saying "there are no plans" is a very open pseudo-political statement.

It doesn't mean they won't.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Dark Munster said:

Never underestimate the stupidity of SR.

Well yeah, but surely if you add the weight of the feelings of the fans and the manner of the relegation. then to my mind Martin's job would become untenable. He was lucky the ref was so shite on Saturday, as I think that deflected a whole lot of shite going his way.

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Well yeah, but surely if you add the weight of the feelings of the fans and the manner of the relegation. then to my mind Martin's job would become untenable. He was lucky the ref was so shite on Saturday, as I think that deflected a whole lot of shite going his way.

Mainly because it's very unlikely we lose if the ref hadn't fucked up - we weren't losing from 3-1 up, and it's unlikely that we would have conceded the penalty and got Fraser sent off.

[Kermitzasaint]

1 hour ago, Bakovnetski said:

Or they offered a short term or rolling contract like previously 

It's impossible to trust anything these clowns do

[Sheaf Saint]

14 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Mainly because it's very unlikely we lose if the ref hadn't fucked up - we weren't losing from 3-1 up, and it's unlikely that we would have conceded the penalty and got Fraser sent off.

You seem surprisingly confident we would have actually scored if he'd given the penalty for the shirt pull by Ayew.

[Graffito]

The vast majority of penalties are scored so surely not that surprising.

[Pamplemousse]

32 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Well yeah, but surely if you add the weight of the feelings of the fans and the manner of the relegation. then to my mind Martin's job would become untenable. He was lucky the ref was so shite on Saturday, as I think that deflected a whole lot of shite going his way.

We'll see what the reaction is like on Saturday when he goes over before the game to clap the fans.

Largely speaking I haven't seen anything directed towards him yet, I remember away at Middlesbrough (after 4 losses in a row) he was getting pelters 

[Farmer Saint]

25 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

You seem surprisingly confident we would have actually scored if he'd given the penalty for the shirt pull by Ayew.

Yes, I would expect us to score a penalty.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

10 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yes, I would expect us to score a penalty.

Cameron Archer?

[ErwinK1961]

3 hours ago, Colinjb said:

So, it needs to be someone up and coming with potential.

Essentially someone like Martin, but who has actually achieved something first and shows they can set up a defence.

It would be tempting to look at someone like Mark Robbins or maybe even Rob Edwards.

“Someone like Martin whose actually achieved something”… then naming Robbins who Martin has achieved more than… quality.

[Weston Super Saint]

4 hours ago, Mr Nimbus said:

I guess if you look at some of our recruitment in the summer (Wood & Edwards) this gives further credence to the idea of Yo-Yoing

You likely sell THB and JB, Edwards and Wood are already "in the building" with a year of working with Martin. 

You'll flip Fernandes (similar to how we did with Charley) 

The rest is much of a muchness. 

I don't agree with it btw, but I can see why they may have approached the recruitment in that way

It's insane!

We've recruited badly, we've spent lots of money with barely anything to show for it. The manager has his head stuck up his own arse and refuses to change. The owner can't even be bothered to fiddle whilst Rome burns, yet somehow, we want to create some elaborate strategy to pretend it is all part of some master plan!

Can we not just call it what it is, a big stinking pile of turd, rather than try to give it some sort of justification?

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Mainly because it's very unlikely we lose if the ref hadn't fucked up - we weren't losing from 3-1 up, and it's unlikely that we would have conceded the penalty and got Fraser sent off.

Pretty confident we would have scored the penalty then? Out of interest, who on the pitch would you have wanted to have taken it?

[Farmer Saint]

21 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Cameron Archer?

I don't really care - in general I would expect us to score a penalty. Yes, we missed our last one, but it seems odd that this is the hill you're looking to die on.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

10 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I don't really care - in general I would expect us to score a penalty. Yes, we missed our last one, but it seems odd that this is the hill you're looking to die on.

Am just making the point that having a penalty isn't a guaranteed goal. 

[mikee]

23 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Pretty confident we would have scored the penalty then? Out of interest, who on the pitch would you have wanted to have taken it?

Of the people on the pitch at the time, either KWP or Dibling.

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Fucking hell, might as well appoint a newborn baby.

Young and upcoming. Sounds ideal.

[derry]

39 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Pretty confident we would have scored the penalty then? Out of interest, who on the pitch would you have wanted to have taken it?

Onuachu. Good record as a penalty taker. We had a few score v Everton.