Russell Martin

[Holmes_and_Watson]

10 minutes ago, Master Bates said:

I don't know what I am, no one does 😪

You are what you are. That's what you are. 🙂

[Elmore Saint]

1 minute ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

You are what you are. That's what you are. 🙂

And yet in reality, most people are what they think other people think they are… 😊🪞🪞

(Apologies, this is a bit deep for this hour of a Saturday)

[Whitey Grandad]

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Edited 7 September, 2024 by Whitey Grandad

[saintant]

9 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Wonder if RM watched what a great job Italy just did on France. 

From being the most disappointing team at the Euros to an excellent demonstration from Luciano Spalletti of next generation football tactics. 

Im certain this match would have given Russ food for thought versus a full strength France team, at home. Italy, despite conceding yet another early goal ( 13seconds) won 1-3 and it could and probably should have been more. With players most of you have never heard of - though Tonali and Arsenals new boy Calafiori were excellent tbf. 
 

Italy played a kind of 3511 against one of the scariest teams in World Football - Mbappe & friends - and made them look impotent. I think it’s VERY well adapted to Saints and this season in the EPL. You get a chance watch the match. I’m sure Russell and his coaches will be studying it because it was a Masterclass. 
 

PS. Good article by the ever Italy enthused James Horncastle on the match and tactics in The Athletic if you’ve access. 
 

PPS: reason I’m even commenting on it is that Italy were so disappointing at Euros - bit like our start  but - Spalletti did not get the sack and, well, his generally unheralded players gave him a result and a performance that’s incredible - Italy had not won in France since Julius Caesar times don’t think 😂. Of course it’s only Match Day one Nations League bollix - but it was France in France and that’s always going to be tough.
 

So there’s hope for Saints yet!😇

Was it tip tap possession football playing out from the back? If not Russ won't be interested.

[Charlie Wayman]

11 hours ago, Elmore Saint said:

And yet in reality, most people are what they think other people think they are… 😊🪞🪞

(Apologies, this is a bit deep for this hour of a Saturday)

If people think they are what other people think they are then they are not who they think they should be but who they think they should be is not who they really are. This is why they are unhappy being who they really are.

Edited 7 September, 2024 by Charlie Wayman

[BarberSaint]

On a separate note, the opportunity to vote for goal of the month is in:

/www.premierleague.com/awards/goal-of-the-month/2024-25/august 

Most of them are someone kicks the ball hard. In that case Bowen wins.

There's the bloke from City who ran with it a bit, probably 2nd or that could the Chelsea lad whose quick-thinking got him the goal. Ours is actually the best but what they've done is cut a few seconds off ours so that it doesn't look as good so I think they're massaging the outcome. They should have taken it from when Lallana passed to Dibling and then you can see his very Le-Tissier-esque pass to Lallana for the knockdown. It's also quite obvious Lallana's legs won't last long; he looks a bit brittle. 

[Toussaint]

13 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

If people think they are what other people think they are then they are not who they think they should be but who they think they should be is not who they really are. This is why they are unhappy being who they really are.

I see Charlie’s therapist is using the account today. 

[CB Fry]

13 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

If people think they are what other people think they are then they are not who they think they should be but who they think they should be is not who they really are. This is why they are unhappy being who they really are.

You're not actually Charlie Wayman, are you?

[CB Fry]

"Well no one can name anyone better"

"No one can suggest anyone"

"OK, who else is there"

 

LEE CARSLEY

LEE FUCKING CARSLEY

INVINCIBLE 

UNBEATABLE 

HE WILL NEVER EVER SING THAT "THE SAINTS ARE COMING, THE SAINTS ARE COMING" SONG BEFORE A GAME

UNSTOPPABLE 

 

LEE CARSLEY.

 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

"Well no one can name anyone better"

"No one can suggest anyone"

"OK, who else is there"

 

LEE CARSLEY

LEE FUCKING CARSLEY

INVINCIBLE 

UNBEATABLE 

HE WILL NEVER EVER SING THAT "THE SAINTS ARE COMING, THE SAINTS ARE COMING" SONG BEFORE A GAME

UNSTOPPABLE 

 

LEE CARSLEY.

 

Has the added bonus that when he does badly. Lee Arsely rolls right off the tongue. If it's the entire team you're blaming then you can say that performance was a Lee Farcely. 

[AlexLaw76]

Another 4th league defeat on the spin, another couple of goals conceded, captain untouchable starting.

All shaping up to be one of those teams who spend over £100m on loads of players and get comfortably relegated.

 

Martin is out of his depth, lets hope the board act soon

Edited 14 September, 2024 by AlexLaw76

[SambaMaverick]

Thanks for Wembley but your days are numbered pal

He's just not at the level

I'm glad because his football is shite and he's a smug fuck

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, SambaMaverick said:

Thanks for Wembley but your days are numbered pal

He's just not at the level

I'm glad because his football is shite and he's a smug fuck

But apparently all the signings we make only join us because of him. Too interested in being best mates with certain players. 

[Farmer Saint]

Quick poll guys - which of the players we have do you think are PL players. 

 

I'll start you off:

KWP. 

Ramsdale. 

 

I'm done. 

[Yorkshire Saint]

Stick with Martin - 100%

Bring in an experienced Director of football - 100% 

[Osvaldorama]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Quick poll guys - which of the players we have do you think are PL players. 

 

I'll start you off:

KWP. 

Ramsdale. 

 

I'm done. 

Downes, Fernandes, Lesley, Dibling 

[badgerx16]

That is now 7 league defeats in 8 games.

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Downes, Fernandes, Lesley, Dibling 

How many of those are proven PL players? Downes has been poor this season, Fernandes has played less than 90 minutes, Lesley has hardly played in the PL and Dibling looks good, but had his first start today. 

Not sure how you can say any of them are PL players. 

Edited 14 September, 2024 by Farmer Saint

[SambaMaverick]

3 minutes ago, Yorkshire Saint said:

Stick with Martin - 100%

Bring in an experienced Director of football - 100% 

An experienced football man would bin him off week one

[Yorkshire Saint]

3 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

An experienced football man would bin him off week one

Perhaps but feels like he needs a mentor.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Yorkshire Saint said:

Perhaps but feels like he needs a mentor.

The guy is way too far up his own arse to accept that.

[Suhari]

Who else could we get?

[Maggie May]

I can’t see many managers turning the players we have into a decent PL side. 

[Badger]

40 minutes ago, Yorkshire Saint said:

Stick with Martin - 100%

Bring in an experienced Director of football - 100% 

Do you think he’d listen or accept advice from a DoF ?

Not intended as a slight on RM but many modern managers wouldn’t.

[Wiggles31]

Far too early to be sacking managers. Think some people need to check their expectations, this was always going to be a hard season and a relegation battle. 

[SambaMaverick]

1 minute ago, Wiggles31 said:

Far too early to be sacking managers. Think some people need to check their expectations, this was always going to be a hard season and a relegation battle. 

There'll be no battle at this rate, don't worry 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

13 minutes ago, Badger said:

Do you think he’d listen or accept advice from a DoF ?

Not intended as a slight on RM but many modern managers wouldn’t.

Martin is very clear on his vision on how he wants his teams to play. He should stand or fall on that outlook. A DoF is not going to change that. And to be honest, I wouldn;t want them to.

We went through a rubbish period when Ralph's tactics were tinkered with (after a similarly dismal spell before that). I'd rather he stays or goes based on his outlook, not given time on something that prolongs it needlessly.

[Yorkshire Saint]

29 minutes ago, Badger said:

Do you think he’d listen or accept advice from a DoF ?

Not intended as a slight on RM but many modern managers wouldn’t.

Would he listen to Wilcox if he was still here? I think so. I think he would...

[Bad Wolf]

Has anyone demanded the manager "do the right thing and resign" yet? That's always the most hilarious part of any bad patch.

[Bad Wolf]

48 minutes ago, Badger said:

Do you think he’d listen or accept advice from a DoF ?

Not intended as a slight on RM but many modern managers wouldn’t.

Every single manager in the country, over the last couple of years has come under this "has no plan b" critisism. I've heard of it literally everyone including Pep and Klopp. Every single manager has their way of doing things and none of them are going to change it.

[Disco Stu]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

Downes, Fernandes, Lesley, Dibling 

I'd add Sugawara and Bella-Kotchap to that. Bednarek is adequate for bottom half too I think. Problem is none of our strikers seem good enough although I'm not sure they're being utlised optimally either.

Edited 14 September, 2024 by Disco Stu

[Badger]

1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

Every single manager in the country, over the last couple of years has come under this "has no plan b" critisism. I've heard of it literally everyone including Pep and Klopp. Every single manager has their way of doing things and none of them are going to change it.

The greater concern is when ‘Plan A’ doesn’t work. 

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

Every single manager in the country, over the last couple of years has come under this "has no plan b" critisism. I've heard of it literally everyone including Pep and Klopp. Every single manager has their way of doing things and none of them are going to change it.

Trouble is, his Plan A is shyte

[egg]

3 hours ago, Yorkshire Saint said:

Stick with Martin - 100%

Bring in an experienced Director of football - 100% 

How will that help? A DoF wouldn't (or shouldn't) coach the team, pick the team, sort in game tactical changes and subs, make sure we have a nominated penalty taker, etc. That's all stuff for the manager. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

Every single manager in the country, over the last couple of years has come under this "has no plan b" critisism. I've heard of it literally everyone including Pep and Klopp. Every single manager has their way of doing things and none of them are going to change it.

Which is OK when you have the budget and squad for that plan A. When what you have available/transfer budget doesn’t fit plan A, adaption and pragmatism is needed, or the change will be the manager. The task now is to get the team defending and attacking as a unit before the Ipswich game otherwise SR will be making another change one suspects. 

[egg]

Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

Which is OK when you have the budget and squad for that plan A. When what you have available/transfer budget doesn’t fit plan A, adaption and pragmatism is needed, or the change will be the manager. The task now is to get the team defending and attacking as a unit before the Ipswich game otherwise SR will be making another change one suspects. 

Absolutely. A decent manager plays to the abilities of his players. These players are expected to play to the ideology of their manager, but he's not equipped to coach to that ideology, and they're not equipped to play to it. He's hanging his players out to dry every week. 

[LGTL]

Still looking an equally bad, if not worse option in this league then Nathan Jones..

[bangkoksaint]

Moyes anyone?

[Micky]

6 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

Moyes anyone?

Not so sure that he would take it.  Needs quality to work with and we patently have very, very few prem quality players, so can't see him being interested. 

[Midfield_General]

Three words to strike a chill into any heart: Frank Lampard's Southampton. 

Careful what you wish for. 

[AlexLaw76]

So far, Nathan Jones has a better Premier League record

[Yorkshire Saint]

26 minutes ago, egg said:

How will that help? A DoF wouldn't (or shouldn't) coach the team, pick the team, sort in game tactical changes and subs, make sure we have a nominated penalty taker, etc. That's all stuff for the manager. 

I dont disagree sir. I just look at the game today and, once again, see so much nievity in our approach. I am just proposing it as a solution to support RM as I believe he will come good in the PL but perhaps needs some support / mentorship. 

[Saint Marky]

3 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

How many of those are proven PL players? Downes has been poor this season, Fernandes has played less than 90 minutes, Lesley has hardly played in the PL and Dibling looks good, but had his first start today. 

Not sure how you can say any of them are PL players. 

So this poll is rhetorical then.

[danjosaint]

5 minutes ago, Yorkshire Saint said:

 I am just proposing it as a solution to support RM as I believe he will come good in the PL 

At what he's achieved in his managerial career what makes you believe he will come good in epl, not being aggy just curious because to me he's miles out of his depth and I can't see it changing 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

16 minutes ago, Yorkshire Saint said:

I dont disagree sir. I just look at the game today and, once again, see so much nievity in our approach. I am just proposing it as a solution to support RM as I believe he will come good in the PL but perhaps needs some support / mentorship. 

Think you are on your own with that one. 

[Orkney Saint]

4 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

How many of those are proven PL players? Downes has been poor this season, Fernandes has played less than 90 minutes, Lesley has hardly played in the PL and Dibling looks good, but had his first start today. 

Not sure how you can say any of them are PL players. 

In fairness to @Osvaldorama, who I’m sure can speak for themselves, you didn’t ask for proven PL players in your original question. You asked “…which of the players we have do you think are PL players.” Sorry to nitpick.

[Yorkshire Saint]

45 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

At what he's achieved in his managerial career what makes you believe he will come good in epl, not being aggy just curious because to me he's miles out of his depth and I can't see it changing 

Can't disagree with you and in the short term its hard to see it improving but he clearly has a vision which players appear to enjoy and I wonder if he had a wise head to steer him a little if it might get us through a bit. I believe it will come good because his intent is right but it might take another relegation unfortunately.

He got us up at the end if the day (just) and it would be good to see this through.. im not saying my suggestion is bullet proof, its just a thought over the longer term.

 

Edited 14 September, 2024 by Yorkshire Saint

[Mr X]

Russell Martins interview 

Interviewer: What's your analysis of that game russell?

RM: We played them off the park for 30 mins and our possession was world class 

Interviewer: And the second half? 

RM: We were so brave so brave we just have to keep doing what we are doing and believe in it 

Interviewer: It's not the ideal start though is it? No points and 8 goals against while only scoring one, any idea when it will start clicking?

RM: Football isn't always about goals or winning games surely you know that? 

 

 

Edited 14 September, 2024 by Mr X

[OttawaSaint]

2 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Russell Martins interview 

Interviewer: What's your analysis of that game russell?

RM: We played them off the park for 30 mins and our possession was world class 

Interviewer: And the second half? 

RM: We were so brave so brave we just have to keep doing what we are doing and believe in it 

Interviewer: It's not the ideal start though is it? No points and 8 goals against while only scoring one, any idea when it will start clicking?

RM: Football isn't always about goals or winning games surely you know that? 

 

 

I hope this is satire...

[Badger]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

So far, Nathan Jones has a better Premier League record

As I think might Ruben Selles