rallyboy Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I can hardly get out of my front door now, seven woke recycling bins all over the front path. When we eventually got past them, and up the street full of immigrant criminals who have just arrived and been given new houses due to open borders being enabled, we went shopping to discover the new meat tax is going to cripple us - 32% on a pork chop! At least we're better off than the local pensioners who are now all bankrupt due to heavy taxes, every single one of them. The country has made a huge mistake, just when everything was going so well. Seven fucking bins! 😡 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, The Cat said: On the face of there have been some very good appointments to the cabinet. Some of the people are even experts in their field which is night and day to the Tory jobs for mates scenario we had before. Richard Hermer as Attorney General is a staggeringly good appointment. He's regarded as one of the best legal minds there is, and is seemingly a very decent person. Very high calibre appointment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 (edited) James Timpson prison minister! Sue Gray has been a busy lady. Edited July 6 by sadoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 4 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: James Timpson prison minister! Sue Gray has been a busy lady. Hope he’s not looking for a business opportunity, cutting keys for inmates. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 4 minutes ago, iansums said: Hope he’s not looking for a business opportunity, cutting keys for inmates. No he employs them. Looks like they’ve abandoned the “tough on crime” bit of the new Labour slogan, as he thinks we lock up too many people. Interesting to see the results. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 14 minutes ago, iansums said: Hope he’s not looking for a business opportunity, cutting keys for inmates. We’ve got to grow the economy somehow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 6 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: No he employs them. Looks like they’ve abandoned the “tough on crime” bit of the new Labour slogan, as he thinks we lock up too many people. Interesting to see the results. We do, with no rehabilitation resources when they're there. It's not a system that works, and the prison stock is literally crumbling. There needs to be a better balance of punishment and rehabilitation. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 26 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: No he employs them. Looks like they’ve abandoned the “tough on crime” bit of the new Labour slogan, as he thinks we lock up too many people. Interesting to see the results. Yes I know. He says that 2/3 of prisoners should not be there, I’d like to know what their crimes were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 More on Timpson’s appointment. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp08y5p52e2o.amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 17 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: More on Timpson’s appointment. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp08y5p52e2o.amp He could be key in this cabinet. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: He could be key in this cabinet. You are on a roll. Not as good as your Swiss gag though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 hours ago, sadoldgit said: More on Timpson’s appointment. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp08y5p52e2o.amp You don’t half come out with some cobblers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Left Back Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Expect the new government to go large on eye catching policies that don’t cost money (and could actually save a few quid). Justice, and prison sentences in particular, qualifies as low hanging fruit. And if it upsets a few of the Daily Mail crowd then even better. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 7 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Looks like they’ve abandoned the “tough on crime” bit of the new Labour slogan, as he thinks we lock up too many people. Unless ‘tough on crime’ means reducing crime, not just locking up as many people as possible. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, aintforever said: Unless ‘tough on crime’ means reducing crime, not just locking up as many people as possible. If you lock someone up it’s more difficult for them to commit a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 3 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: If you lock someone up it’s more difficult for them to commit a crime. Whereas if you address the socioeconomic issues that cause people to turn to crime in the first place and invest in people's futures, you can achieve the same effect without the need for extra prison spaces. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I don't think we need any experts or 'good ideas', we've all done perfectly well without that sort of nonsense for a decade. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 9 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: If you lock someone up it’s more difficult for them to commit a crime. While they are inside. If they just go on to reoffend when they get out it may be more cost effective to focus on rehabilitation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 No surprise to see the genuine simpletons’ reaction to the news about Timpson. I guess when you only deal in three word slogans it’s easy to fling shit about without really understanding the underlying issues. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Quite refreshing to see a government governing after one day; rather than a buffoon work out how he and his chums can make money of the British public for their back pockets. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 On 05/07/2024 at 14:45, iansums said: I admit to not being an expert but we should at least look at an alternative way of funding healthcare and moving towards a privatised system, like on the continent and before you say it, no, not like the US system. IMO the NHS is no longer fit for purpose and is hugely inefficient. I don’t disagree that we should look at the best healthcare systems in Europe for inspiration in how to fund and improve the NHS but and it’s a big one if we want the NHS to be comparable to the best then however we fund it we will have to spend more money on it as all the evidence says it is underfunded and understaffed. The over management and easy efficiency savings are a bit of a myth so there is no easy solution! https://www.bmj.com/content/377/bmj.o929 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 7 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Quite refreshing to see a government governing after one day; rather than a buffoon work out how he and his chums can make money of the British public for their back pockets. It seems, due to the obvious outcome of this one, Labour have been in increasing contact with the civil service as far back as January. That was to establish relationships and strategies on how manifesto commitments could be implemented. Sue Gray has been running a team to help execute these plans. So, they've been at work for quite a while to hit the ground running. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 20 hours ago, Dr. Kucho said: Can I ask what you have against carrying a form of ID? Here in Holland they introduced it some 20 odd years ago that we always have to be able to identify ourselves, through passport, driving license or identity card. It makes the work of the police a lot easier instead of having to spend valuable time finding out who’s who. Regarding the conspiracy theorist and other nutcases I would say fuck em. These peoples lives simply exist of making up stories why governments, institutions and wealthy people would want to harm us. Here you have a bunch who claim it would be better to live in Russia than under the tyranny that the EU is according to them. But for some funny reason they decide to remain here and don’t leave for Russia. The first reason is principle. In the power dynamic, the people should have primacy, then the government. Governments work for the people, demanding people carry ID flips this dynamic. Secondly, it gives the police too many powers. It gives them a simple reason to stop and arrest someone. It's a plantation type law, which again fundamentally changes the dynamic between the people and the state. I agree about the conspiracy theorists, fuck em but they can make a load of noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Former Home Secretary Jacqui Smith has been appointed as a junior Minister in the HoL, she of the dodgy expenses claim for porn movies watched by her husband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 10 hours ago, The Kraken said: No surprise to see the genuine simpletons’ reaction to the news about Timpson. I guess when you only deal in three word slogans it’s easy to fling shit about without really understanding the underlying issues. Not sure that is a fair comment, just a few puns from some posters. I actually think it’s a great idea, bringing someone from industry with a real world experience. I’m impressed also by Wes Streeting stating the NHS is broken, let’s hope he can make radical changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Now the criminals have left the scene can we see some PPE fraud prosecutions, including the former ministers involved, and some genuine attempts to recover Covid loans and furlough fraud? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 (edited) During the election campaign 218 of 220 people detained ahead of planned deportation to Rwanda were released on bail. Yvette Cooper has released the last 2. Edited July 7 by badgerx16 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 12 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: During the election campaign 218 of 220 people detained ahead of planned deportation to Rwanda were released on bail. Yvette Cooper has released the last 2. Better late than never, although the Tories releasing them during their election campaign but carrying on the "we'll send people to Rwanda when we're elected" just highlights the level of dishonesty running through that lot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 6 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: The first reason is principle. In the power dynamic, the people should have primacy, then the government. Governments work for the people, demanding people carry ID flips this dynamic. Secondly, it gives the police too many powers. It gives them a simple reason to stop and arrest someone. It's a plantation type law, which again fundamentally changes the dynamic between the people and the state. I agree about the conspiracy theorists, fuck em but they can make a load of noise. It's a trade off though - loss of privacy v reduction in crime. We will never deal effectively with issues like illegal immigration, visa overstays and gang crime etc without mandatory use of ID cards for things like renting a house, accessing healthcare, getting credit, driving licence etc Most of the EU have relatively porous borders but its very difficult to live there without documentation because you cant do anything. The UK fortress island approach doesnt work anymore in the 21st century. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 (edited) Across La Manche the exit polls in France are confused; 1 gives Marine le Pen's alliance 1st place but short of a majority, 2 others have them in second place, and France Télévision have them in third place. Looks like the 'lurch to the right' is more of a drunken stagger. Edited July 7 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 48 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Across La Manche the exit polls in France are confused; 1 gives Marine le Pen's alliance 1st place but short of a majority, 2 others have them in second place, and France Télévision have them in third place. Looks like the 'lurch to the right' is more of a drunken stagger. Most things in France are a drunken stagger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Good to see Le Pen momentum thwarted. Problem with right wing populists is you run out of voters once you have captured the thick and the racists. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Imagine a world where the other nuclear powers were Le Pen, Putin, Xi, Kim, Donnie, Modi and whoever is in charge of Pakistan this week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 14 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Imagine a world where the other nuclear powers were Le Pen, Putin, Xi, Kim, Donnie, Modi and whoever is in charge of Pakistan this week. And Netanyahu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 26 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: And Netanyahu. and Khameni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 11 hours ago, whelk said: Good to see Le Pen momentum thwarted. Problem with right wing populists is you run out of voters once you have captured the thick and the racists. Not all good news. Sounds like some on the far left are just as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Not all good news. Sounds like some on the far left are just as bad. I haven't read anywhere what this far left french alliance actually stand for but I gather it's a mixture of progressives so it may not be particularly settled on policy. As an outsider, I have no idea whether they'll be good, bad or indifferent. Regardless, they've got a a hung parliament, with no obvious coalitions, so it's gonna be a bumpy ride over there. Except a few burnt tyres here and there. The markets are bound to shit themselves too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Just now, egg said: I haven't read anywhere what this far left french alliance actually stand for but I gather it's a mixture of progressives so it may not be particularly settled on policy. As an outsider, I have no idea whether they'll be good, bad or indifferent. Regardless, they've got a a hung parliament, with no obvious coalitions, so it's gonna be a bumpy ride over there. Except a few burnt tyres here and there. The markets are bound to shit themselves too. Agree. I don't think they have a hope of cobbling something together to last a term. The danger for everyone else is that support will grow for the national front in the meantime unless they sort things like immigration and national identity issues out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Just now, hypochondriac said: Agree. I don't think they have a hope of cobbling something together to last a term. The danger for everyone else is that support will grow for the national front in the meantime unless they sort things like immigration and national identity issues out. Yep. If you can't get anything done then the underlying issues will grow, and the factions are going to get noisier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Challenger Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 36 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Agree. I don't think they have a hope of cobbling something together to last a term. The danger for everyone else is that support will grow for the national front in the meantime unless they sort things like immigration and national identity issues out. That's the drawback of having to vote against something without any viable options left to vote for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Sorry if I've missed someone highlighting this before but Rupert Lowe and Mrs Sunak jointly owned a company that went pop and left the taxpayer with loads of debt. I know she has history with closing companies after taking furlough and that Rupert has several ventures that closed, but I didn't realise that Lowe and the Sunaks were so close... With Reform vowing to destroy the Tories, it's an unusual friendship... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 15 minutes ago, rallyboy said: Sorry if I've missed someone highlighting this before but Rupert Lowe and Mrs Sunak jointly owned a company that went pop and left the taxpayer with loads of debt. I know she has history with closing companies after taking furlough and that Rupert has several ventures that closed, but I didn't realise that Lowe and the Sunaks were so close... With Reform vowing to destroy the Tories, it's an unusual friendship... Just a reminder that no furlough money went to the companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said: Just a reminder that no furlough money went to the companies. Unless I'm mistaken, employers got furlough help for staff, and companies themselves could borrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, egg said: Yep. If you can't get anything done then the underlying issues will grow, and the factions are going to get noisier. You could say the same about Labour here tbh. Given the voting figures, it's very much the case that the Conservatives rightly got punished and the public wanted them out rather than embracing Labour. I do wonder how long the enthusiasm will last if they can't resolve the issues like migration that people care about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 30 minutes ago, Challenger said: That's the drawback of having to vote against something without any viable options left to vote for. Depressing isn't it. The far left in France win by default because everyone is so preoccupied with preventing the far right from gaining power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Depressing isn't it. The far left in France win by default because everyone is so preoccupied with preventing the far right from gaining power. I suspect people are voting for what they see as the lesser of two evils, and have a lack of faith in (or wanting a change from) the existing centrist government. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted July 8 Author Share Posted July 8 8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: You could say the same about Labour here tbh. Given the voting figures, it's very much the case that the Conservatives rightly got punished and the public wanted them out rather than embracing Labour. I do wonder how long the enthusiasm will last if they can't resolve the issues like migration that people care about. I guess we will find out just how dangerous socialism is won’t we hypo. As for solving issues like migration, remind us again about the Tory record over the last 14 years please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted July 8 Author Share Posted July 8 9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Depressing isn't it. The far left in France win by default because everyone is so preoccupied with preventing the far right from gaining power. There is nothing depressing about keeping the far right out of power, unless you think that fascism is all fine and dandy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 25 minutes ago, rallyboy said: Sorry if I've missed someone highlighting this before but Rupert Lowe and Mrs Sunak jointly owned a company that went pop and left the taxpayer with loads of debt. I know she has history with closing companies after taking furlough and that Rupert has several ventures that closed, but I didn't realise that Lowe and the Sunaks were so close... With Reform vowing to destroy the Tories, it's an unusual friendship... Was it more or less debt than the previous incarnation of Portsmouth Football Club cost the taxpayer...? We need to know! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted July 8 Author Share Posted July 8 Good old Rupert! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr5qvpy2djo.amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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