whelk Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: That’s a bit generous. They would have gone along with anything to get their feet under the cabinet table. Osborne & Cameron wouldn’t have gone much further even with a majority, they were closer to the Orange book Liberals than they were to the Tory membership. Personally, I supported that period of mild austerity, but if it was as wicked as some claim, the Lib Dems could have stopped it, but preferred the trappings of office. What’s worse, implementing a policy because you believe it to be right, or doing it because it’ll get you cabinet places. Their austerity included significant cuts to policing and key was not just numbers but a large chunk of the wisdom and experience keen to get their pensions early with huge pay offs. Farcical the party of law and order, and good custodians of the public purse now trumpeting how they are funding so many new officers- replenishing the numbers these useless cunts thought we could do without. Pissing tax payers money away and some stupid fucks think they were tackling ‘back office waste’ Edited June 19 by whelk 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 5 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: They didn’t have a majority, they needed Lib Dem’s to get anything done. You know them, the ones you’re “impressed “ with. What do you think about the impressive Ed Davey enabling austerity? That was a political choice as well. Wasn’t that Nick Clegg? I think I have said many times that I stopped voting LibDem when they “enabled” the shit show that followed. Keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 3 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Wasn’t that Nick Clegg? I think I have said many times that I stopped voting LibDem when they “enabled” the shit show that followed. Keep up. Davey had his fat arse on the Gov benches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 Just heard that Sunak has not ruled out working with Farage in the future. Quick question, what is more relevant and concerning, that Starmer used to serve in a shadow cabinet under Corbyn years ago or that Sunak hasn’t ruled out working with the leader of a party that attracts fascists and racists and who himself is racist, in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Davey had his fat arse on the Gov benches. 2 years as Minister responsible for the Post Office at the height of the Horizon scandal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Just heard that Sunak has not ruled out working with Farage in the future. Quick question, what is more relevant and concerning, that Starmer used to serve in a shadow cabinet under Corbyn years ago or that Sunak hasn’t ruled out working with the leader of a party that attracts fascists and racists and who himself is racist, in the future? Some would say, with a degree of justification, that Churchill was racist. Farage may appeal to more extreme elements, but in our democracy even those people are entitled to a voice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Just heard that Sunak has not ruled out working with Farage in the future. 😂 As if he’s got a choice. I haven’t ruled out banging Taylor Swift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Davey had his fat arse on the Gov benches. Nothing to do with the Treasury. Cameron and Osbourne called the shots. 3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Some would say, with a degree of justification, that Churchill was racist. Farage may appeal to more extreme elements, but in our democracy even those people are entitled to a voice. Agree about Churchill but those were different times. Dear old Winnie would have been cancelled long ago if he was an MP these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Dear old Winnie would have been cancelled long ago if he was an MP these days. By people like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Nothing to do with the Treasury. Cameron and Osbourne called the shots. What a load of old pony. Davey could have voted against budgets, refused to have his fat arse in a ministry limo or resigned the whip. He made the political choice to support austerity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 4 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: By people like you. Nah, racism and antisemitism go out of the window when it’s done by somebody you like. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 (edited) 53 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Farage may appeal to more extreme elements, but in our democracy even those people are entitled to a voice. I guess Sunak's plan must be to bring back the lost Reform votes and move a little less to the right, once they're back. After all, if you believe some folk, Starmer worked his way through an antisemitic Labour party he really wanted to distance himself from as far as possible, so he could move them from their extremes. Or is this yet another example of it being fine if it's the side being agreed with, and horrid if it's the side that isn't agreed with? 🙂 Edited June 19 by Holmes_and_Watson typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 56 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: I guess Sunak's plan must be to bring back the lost Reform votes and move a little less to the right, once they're back. After all, if you believe some folk, Starmer worked his way through an antisemitic Labour party he really wanted to distance himself from as far as possible, so he could move them from their extremes. Or is this yet another example of it being fine if it's the side being agreed with, and horrid if it's the side that isn't agreed with? 🙂 Like Sunak moved a little less to the right by making Suella Braverman Home Secretary? He has been played by the Tory right ever since he became PM. How do you think he would fare against Farage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 (edited) More grief for Sunak. https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jun/19/sunak-protection-officer-arrested-over-alleged-bets-on-timing-of-election https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vv4j87n5wo.amp Edited June 19 by sadoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Such a poor election period. Poor major leaders, poor major parties, extremely poor media coverage. thank good for a pretty entertaining Euros 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 They’re all the same aren’t they 🤪 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 (edited) Going back to austerity, it was a political choice, although it backfired on Osborne, who had his political career terminated by May after it came back to clobber and terminate Cameron’s Premiership like a 🪃 through Brexit. If austerity hadn’t have disproportionately impacted the services used most of all by the bottom 20% of society and policies which hurt them e.g. bedroom tax, the referendum result, whilst not being a massive win for Remain, was likely to be different. So whilst austerity didn’t directly hurt this household, it did choke off growth but we had the economy to weather it in in the long-run. However, what it unleashed afterwards with the referendum and Brexit, a very hard one at that, has had a serious impact on our quality of life and polluted the country, in more ways than one. Losing 4-5% of our economy, and getting worse, HAS had a major and irreparable impact. Politically, it also ushered in a generation of morons such as Boris and Truss who really went to town on destroying the economy and country, the latter making 1975-9 look like a picnic by comparison. Sunak is miles out his depth but he’s not made the severance with that wing by expelling Truss et al and it’s made the damage terminal plus the campaign bloopers. BTW, we’ve got more of it come after July whoever wins, to go with the overall tax take still rising. Back to the election, liking this poll from a Lib Dem perspective. Duck will like it too with Reform predicted to take 5 seats including Richard Holden’s now in Essex. Given his behaviour in nabbing that candidacy, there’s a Reform victory I’ll certainly raise a glass to if it materialises in practice. Still hard to believe Sunak would be overturned in his own seat… https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-lose-tory-wipeout-poll-53-mps-b2565451.html Edited June 19 by Gloucester Saint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, sadoldgit said: Like Sunak moved a little less to the right by making Suella Braverman Home Secretary? He has been played by the Tory right ever since he became PM. How do you think he would fare against Farage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted June 20 Author Share Posted June 20 Tony Lee, the head of Sunak’s election campaign and husband of a Tory MP being investigated for betting on the election date, has now taken leave of absence. https://news.sky.com/story/amp/laura-saunders-second-conservative-candidate-facing-betting-probe-is-married-to-partys-head-of-campaigns-13155879 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 7 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Tony Lee, the head of Sunak’s election campaign and husband of a Tory MP being investigated for betting on the election date, has now taken leave of absence. https://news.sky.com/story/amp/laura-saunders-second-conservative-candidate-facing-betting-probe-is-married-to-partys-head-of-campaigns-13155879 With a number of donors pulling their funding the Tories need to raise campaign funds from somewhere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Jovan's right though, there aren't any prominent black MPs in either of the main parties, and we can only dream of the day when a 'person of colour' is appointed to either the Government or Oppoition front benches. As for becoming Prime Minister, the stuff of fantasy. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted June 20 Author Share Posted June 20 17 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Bloody hell man, you are fixated with Farage! 😂 And the Tories are too… https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/20/election-tories-reform-ed-davey-lib-dems-nigel-farage-middle-england Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) Edited June 20 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 4 minutes ago, trousers said: There were rumours flying around all day before he finally went singing in the rain. I'll wager most of those bets were made because of those rumours rather than insider knowledge. They even named the date before it was announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 20 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Davey had his fat arse on the Gov benches. 20 hours ago, badgerx16 said: 2 years as Minister responsible for the Post Office at the height of the Horizon scandal. Just spotted that Davey is due to appear at the Post Office Inquiry on 18th July. Handy for him that it's not before the GE I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 35 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Bloody hell man, you are fixated with Farage! At least it’s only on this thread, not the climate one, Isreal and every other frigging discussion. Talk about shoe horning, you’ll be discussing him on the Baz one next, although to be fair he’d probably be as good as Baz in nets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, sadoldgit said: Bloody hell man, you are fixated with Farage! 😂 And the Tories are too… https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/20/election-tories-reform-ed-davey-lib-dems-nigel-farage-middle-england You are fixated with Farage. Just seen you going in and on about him on the uglies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted June 20 Author Share Posted June 20 43 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: You are fixated with Farage. Just seen you going in and on about him on the uglies One post and that was in response to someone claiming that he is not a racist. Sounds a bit Baby Reindeer of you Batman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 3 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Sounds a bit Baby Reindeer of you Batman? This is about the 4th time you tried this unoriginal joke, give it up man… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Sog is going to love this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 7 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: One post and that was in response to someone claiming that he is not a racist. Sounds a bit Baby Reindeer of you Batman? Quick, someones talking about Farage on the internet, must go and get involved in the discussion 🤣🤡 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) What a guy! Edited June 20 by trousers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) 3 hours ago, trousers said: Just spotted that Davey is due to appear at the Post Office Inquiry on 18th July. Handy for him that it's not before the GE I guess... There wasn’t anywhere near as much knowledge about what the PO had covered up - the Second Sight report came out July 2013 and was smothered until 2014/15 https://www.postofficescandal.uk/post/the-second-sight-interim-report/ Jo Swinson and Paul Scully on the other hand had full access to it and much more awareness. Not saying Davey couldn’t have probed further but a lot of the evidence wasn’t in plain sight in the same way. Edited June 20 by Gloucester Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 9 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: There wasn’t anywhere near as much knowledge about what the PO had covered up - the Second Sight report came out July 2013 and was smothered until 2014/15 https://www.postofficescandal.uk/post/the-second-sight-interim-report/ Jo Swinson and Paul Scully on the other hand had full access to it and much more awareness. Not saying Davey couldn’t have probed further but a lot of the evidence wasn’t in plain sight in the same way. Fair point 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 5 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: There wasn’t anywhere near as much knowledge about what the PO had covered up - the Second Sight report came out July 2013 and was smothered until 2014/15 https://www.postofficescandal.uk/post/the-second-sight-interim-report/ Jo Swinson and Paul Scully on the other hand had full access to it and much more awareness. Not saying Davey couldn’t have probed further but a lot of the evidence wasn’t in plain sight in the same way. May 2009..……. This was 5 years after Alan Bates first contacted CW, the journalists waited until they were confident the story 'stood up'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Good lad, Nige in ale house. Fuck me, then there’s this melt watching the “footy”. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted June 20 Author Share Posted June 20 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Good lad, Nige in ale house. Fuck me, then there’s this melt watching the “footy”. Bloody hell. You are obsessed with Farage! 🤣 Edited June 20 by sadoldgit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted June 20 Author Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, trousers said: What a guy! National Front rally? 🙋🏼♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 32 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Good lad, Nige in ale house. Fuck me, then there’s this melt watching the “footy”. Thats not the best comparison, being as Starmer still plays 5 a side (or definitely did up to a year or two ago). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: At least it’s only on this thread, not the climate one, Isreal and every other frigging discussion. Talk about shoe horning, you’ll be discussing him on the Baz one next, although to be fair he’d probably be as good as Baz in nets. He'd just need to open his mouth wide and it would fill the nets. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 56 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Good lad, Nige in ale house. Fuck me, then there’s this melt watching the “footy”. Ale house? Fucks sake, call it a pub 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 2 hours ago, trousers said: What a guy! What a load of white mem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Kraken said: Thats not the best comparison, being as Starmer still plays 5 a side (or definitely did up to a year or two ago). He still looks like a fucking prick in that white shirt. I played 11 a side until I was nearly 50, doesn’t make me PM material. Pound to a penny he calls it Footy as well. Edited June 20 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Good lad, Nige in ale house. Fuck me, then there’s this melt watching the “footy”. Genuine question- would you rather fuck Farage or be pegged by Thatcher? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 10 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: He still looks like a fucking prick in that white shirt. I played 11 a side until I was nearly 50, doesn’t make me PM material. Pound to a penny he calls it Footy as well. Maybe he goes to watch the footy down the local “alehouse”? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, The Kraken said: Thats not the best comparison, being as Starmer still plays 5 a side (or definitely did up to a year or two ago). The stupid cunt think the Dulwich college boy is a football fan. One born every minute 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 15 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: He still looks like a fucking prick in that white shirt. I played 11 a side until I was nearly 50, doesn’t make me PM material. Pound to a penny he calls it Footy as well. Ok Walter of course you did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 3 minutes ago, aintforever said: Maybe he goes to watch the footy down the local “alehouse”? Laughable that his oh so quaint terms make him an object of ridicule yet hones in on ‘ footie’ as if he is the cool kid 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 17 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: He still looks like a fucking prick in that white shirt. I played 11 a side until I was nearly 50, doesn’t make me PM material. Pound to a penny he calls it Footy as well. Its a plain white t shirt. Quite an odd thing to get worked up about. Pound to a penny ‘Nige’ knows the square root of fuck all about football. He's previously said he’s not a football man, a cricket man. Yet there here is in the alehouse cheering our boys. Admittedly quite a few people are easily hoodwinked into thinking that Nige is a man of the people and for the people. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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