The 2024 General Election - July 4th

[The Kraken]

15 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

…Rishi doesn’t have any more cards in the pack and the Red Wall/New Conservatives group not much to lose having been cut loose leading up to the GE. Don’t think they’ll get the 54 and the country wouldn’t allow them to hold another contest, but the bitterness could be lingering.

New Conservatives have already released a statement basically saying that they’re not going to put letters in. Almost looks like they’re getting ready for life and party realignment after a lost election, so probably just lots of leaks about Sunak being weak / a liar up to then. Could be good viewing.

 

[Winnersaint]

That’s a shame, I love a bit of Blue on Blue action.

[Turkish]

23 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Every time I look at that hate-filled halfwit I’m reminded of a Dahl sketch.

She is one ugly hate filled bitch for sure 

Anyway my She’s gone, hopefully we won’t hear any more from her or have to read about her every thread on here. Who is Sog going to moan about all day now?

[Fan The Flames]

2 hours ago, The Kraken said:

New Conservatives have already released a statement basically saying that they’re not going to put letters in. Almost looks like they’re getting ready for life and party realignment after a lost election, so probably just lots of leaks about Sunak being weak / a liar up to then. Could be good viewing.

Logo with pole mounted CCTV cameras, very authoritarian, very fitting.

[rallyboy]

How many sacked people get to rebrand their disgraced exit via a resignation letter?

The funniest part is she keeps kidding herself that she's bravely saying what everyone is thinking and the country is behind her.

Deluded.

 

[The Kraken]

 

[pingpong]

7 hours ago, The Kraken said:

 

Reform taking the racist vote, I think tories made a wrong decision prioritising a trans culture war.  They can't even attack labour on economy any more after 13yrs of fucking it up and labour moving to the centre left on economic policy.

Doomed.

[CB Fry]

Inflation goes up: not our fault, external factors, global economy 

Inflation comes down: haven't we done a brilliant job

[whelk]

21 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Inflation goes up: not our fault, external factors, global economy 

Inflation comes down: haven't we done a brilliant job

Don’t forget the stunning work they did reducing shoplifting figure when they closed all the shops during Covid

[Lighthouse]

40 minutes ago, pingpong said:

Reform taking the racist vote, I think tories made a wrong decision prioritising a trans culture war.  They can't even attack labour on economy any more after 13yrs of fucking it up and labour moving to the centre left on economic policy.

Doomed.

Have they? Of all the things they’ve done, I can’t say I’ve particularly noticed this being an issue.

[whelk]

3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Have they? Of all the things they’ve done, I can’t say I’ve particularly noticed this being an issue.

No not really although for a while they were smugly trumpeting that Sunak ‘knew what a woman was’

[Fan The Flames]

The trans issue was massive for a while. The Tories think they have a gotcha issue with it and it will come up during the campaign, so Labour has to devise a way of answering it.

[The Kraken]

The Supreme a court has just unanimously decided that the Rwanda Scheme is illegal.

Nit a good week for poor old Cruella.

[rallyboy]

The mad, cruel and ridiculously expensive Rwanda pantomime has been chucked out by the supreme court.

[Sheaf Saint]

1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

The Supreme a court has just unanimously decided that the Rwanda Scheme is illegal.

Nit a good week for poor old Cruella.

She'll just have to keep dreaming of seeing that flight take off. Shame.

[whelk]

Might have to tune into PMQs today. Even more topics for Starmer to ridicule 

[hypochondriac]

The Rwanda plan was complete and utter bullshit from the start but it is a bit ridiculous that people can just get in a boat and land here from anywhere and we can't get rid of them and just have to let them live here when they could be anyone. I don't think it's as big a crisis as some in the media make it out to be but that fundamental unfairness is something that I think does resonate with a lot of brits. 

Edited 15 November, 2023 by hypochondriac

[andypen]

I think Braverman will have her Geoffrey Howe moment after PMQ's, protocol suggests Sunak will have to sit there and suck it up.

The Rwanda scheme was a ridiculous proposal anyway, even if the supreme court had ruled in favour of the govt the inevitable lemgthy appeals and the ECHR would have made it unworkable anyway.

[hypochondriac]

On another note who will be the worst prime minister without a mandate? Sunak or Brown? 

[whelk]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

On another note who will be the worst prime minister without a mandate? Sunak or Brown? 

Are you not including Truss?

[hypochondriac]

19 minutes ago, whelk said:

Are you not including Truss?

Don't think she qualifies. 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Might have to tune into PMQs today. Even more topics for Starmer to ridicule 

Shout out for Saints unbeaten run

[badgerx16]

The Supreme Court ruling implies that there is UK Law outside of the ECHR that makes the Rwanda scheme illegal, so simply dumping the ECHR won't solve the problem - Rwanda is not deemed to be a "safe" country. Rishi is thought to be working on finding a legally acceptable alternative destination.

[trousers]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The Supreme Court ruling implies that there is UK Law outside of the ECHR that makes the Rwanda scheme illegal, so simply dumping the ECHR won't solve the problem - Rwanda is not deemed to be a "safe" country. Rishi is thought to be working on finding a legally acceptable alternative destination.

Maybe there wouldn't be so much opposition to it if the destination was the Seychelles (for example)?

[Jeremy Corbyn]

4 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

The trans issue was massive for a while. The Tories think they have a gotcha issue with it and it will come up during the campaign, so Labour has to devise a way of answering it.

Yep, this will be the Torie's main ticket at the election I suspect.  They don't really have strength in any of the main areas, they're even perceived as weak on immigration/international relations so I think they'll tone that down and go with a full blown attempt to scare middle class parents into thinking Starmer will spend his time as prime minister converting Daves to Debbies and Debbies to Daves.

Will be interesting to see what Starmer/Labour do, the Trans stuff is an absolute minefield.  

[sadoldgit]

The question shouldn’t be who is the worst between Brown and Sunak. Every Tory PM since Cameron has done huge and lasting damage to this country. Who is the worst from Cameron to Sunak is probably a better question.

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, The Kraken said:

The Supreme a court has just unanimously decided that the Rwanda Scheme is illegal.

Nit a good week for poor old Cruella.

Some Tory fella on radio 5 this morning was bigging her up saying how she'd make a great PM and has been stitched up by Sunak. 🤣

[Fan The Flames]

18 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

The question shouldn’t be who is the worst between Brown and Sunak. Every Tory PM since Cameron has done huge and lasting damage to this country. Who is the worst from Cameron to Sunak is probably a better question.

This is a good game, my list in descending order for what it's worth.

May - tried her best to square the circle with Brexit but far too weak to hold it together.

Sunak - depite being too little to be PM, he tried to be the grown up after the manbaby was sent home, but he is too ineffective and charisma free to be a leader.

Cameron - bog standard Eton Tory PM, started the dismantling of the state and arrogantly underestimated Brexit, then bottled it.

Johnson - self obsessed, cultivated, manbaby with no solutions, who would say anything and do anything to make people like him and real problems go away.

Truss - total weirdo who enacted her sixth form fantasy political economic stratergy on a real country. Wrong person, wrong time with the wrong ideas. Only good thing she did was keep Johnson out of the limelight during the period after the Queens death.

[Fan The Flames]

44 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Yep, this will be the Torie's main ticket at the election I suspect.  They don't really have strength in any of the main areas, they're even perceived as weak on immigration/international relations so I think they'll tone that down and go with a full blown attempt to scare middle class parents into thinking Starmer will spend his time as prime minister converting Daves to Debbies and Debbies to Daves.

Will be interesting to see what Starmer/Labour do, the Trans stuff is an absolute minefield.  

It is a minefield, that's why they have to sit down work out their position and tell their PMs what to say and stick to it. With out raking the whole trans debate up but they can't stay sitting on the fence between the two definitions of what a women is, they tie themselves in knots and look ridiculous. Surley they have a decent enough team to sort themselves out on it.

[hypochondriac]

47 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

The question shouldn’t be who is the worst between Brown and Sunak. Every Tory PM since Cameron has done huge and lasting damage to this country. Who is the worst from Cameron to Sunak is probably a better question.

Blair is the worst PM we've had in my lifetime by quite a way. 

[AlexLaw76]

49 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

The question shouldn’t be who is the worst between Brown and Sunak. Every Tory PM since Cameron has done huge and lasting damage to this country. Who is the worst from Cameron to Sunak is probably a better question.

Tony Blair did more damage to the world than all of them since put together 

 

[hypochondriac]

52 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Yep, this will be the Torie's main ticket at the election I suspect.  They don't really have strength in any of the main areas, they're even perceived as weak on immigration/international relations so I think they'll tone that down and go with a full blown attempt to scare middle class parents into thinking Starmer will spend his time as prime minister converting Daves to Debbies and Debbies to Daves.

Will be interesting to see what Starmer/Labour do, the Trans stuff is an absolute minefield.  

It's a minefield of their own making. They certainly don't want to get into the mess that the SNP have over it. How hard is it to say that a woman is an adult female human but that in rare cases gender disphoria is a thing and they should be treated respectfully even though for legal purposes they cannot be female. Not difficult. 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Tony Blair did more damage to the world than all of them since put together 

 

In all sorts of ways. The effect he had on the country is still being felt now. 

[Jeremy Corbyn]

11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

It's a minefield of their own making. They certainly don't want to get into the mess that the SNP have over it. How hard is it to say that a woman is an adult female human but that in rare cases gender disphoria is a thing and they should be treated respectfully even though for legal purposes they cannot be female. Not difficult. 

It's difficult for Labour because there are plenty of people within the party who disagree with the bit in bold.

That being said, the vast, vast majority of the voting population either doesn't care or is actively transphobic, so going with your approach would probably work electorally.

[andypen]

The Trans issue wouldn't be such a big deal if common sense hadn't gone walkies from many instituions. When people can be cancelled, lose their jobs, be debanked and have their lives ruined because they didn't conform to the pronoun mental illness for example I'd say it has become quite an issue.

I am now identifying as a top SWF poster, and demand the respect such a position warrants.

Edited 15 November, 2023 by andypen
typo

[whelk]

32 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Blair is the worst PM we've had in my lifetime by quite a way. 

Are you mental?

[whelk]

8 minutes ago, andypen said:

The Trans issue wouldn't be such a big deal if common sense hadn't gone walkies from many instituions. When people can be cancelled, lose their jobs, be debanked and have their lives ruined because they didn't conform to the pronoun mental illness for example I'd say it has become quite an issue.

I am now identifying as a top SWF poster, and demand the respect such a position warrants.

I got corrected by my daughter for calling the girl in the Last of Us a girl. Apparently she is neither boy nor girl

[whelk]

9 minutes ago, andypen said:

am now identifying as a top SWF poster, and demand the respect such a position warrants.

No one gets respect here you transphobic bastard!

[hypochondriac]

25 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

It's difficult for Labour because there are plenty of people within the party who disagree with the bit in bold.

That being said, the vast, vast majority of the voting population either doesn't care or is actively transphobic, so going with your approach would probably work electorally.

Transphobic is an invented term. 

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, whelk said:

Are you mental?

He was appaling. No one has done more to damage the country. 

[Tamesaint]

27 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

He was appaling. No one has done more to damage the country. 

What exactly did he do that was so appalling? 

[Fan The Flames]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Blair is the worst PM we've had in my lifetime by quite a way. 

There is no metric where this applies, other than who makes you horny.

[hypochondriac]

Sounds like jess Philips could be out tonight. Great news. 

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Fan The Flames said:

It is a minefield, that's why they have to sit down work out their position and tell their PMs what to say and stick to it. With out raking the whole trans debate up but they can't stay sitting on the fence between the two definitions of what a women is, they tie themselves in knots and look ridiculous. Surley they have a decent enough team to sort themselves out on it.

There is no second definition of what a woman is, that’s precisely the problem they’ve got. They’re trying to stand on principals they can neither define, explain nor identify.

[Sheaf Saint]

59 minutes ago, whelk said:

I got corrected by my daughter for calling the girl in the Last of Us a girl. Apparently they are neither boy nor girl

Corrected it for you. Bella Ramsey is gender neutral. 

I get that it's tricky though. A few years back, the poet Kate Tempest came out as gender neutral and changed their name to Kae. I still struggle to remember though, having been so used to thinking of them as a she/her. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but it's hard to change lifelong habits

Would be easier if we didn't have separate words for he and she like in other languages (Chinese, for example), then this wouldn't even be an issue.

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Corrected it for you. Bella Ramsey is gender neutral. 

I get that it's tricky though. A few years back, the poet Kate Tempest came out as gender neutral and changed their name to Kae. I still struggle to remember though, having been so used to thinking of them as a she/her. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but it's hard to change lifelong habits

Would be easier if we didn't have separate words for he and she like in other languages (Chinese, for example), then this wouldn't even be an issue.

Or we just say she because she's a girl and we shouldn't play along with someones fantasy or mental health issues. 

[Fan The Flames]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

There is no second definition of what a woman is, that’s precisely the problem they’ve got. They’re trying to stand on principals they can neither define, explain nor identify.

I didn't want to open it all up again, but you can be a women (or man) by birth or you can legally have your gender reassigned. That is the legal position in this country. They are two different things and the problems arise when people try to fudge it to mean the same thing.

[Fan The Flames]

19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Sounds like jess Philips could be out tonight. Great news. 

I heard she likes a drink and a great laugh, where are going Bongo Bingo?

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

I didn't want to open it all up again, but you can be a women (or man) by birth or you can legally have your gender reassigned. That is the legal position in this country. They are two different things and the problems arise when people try to fudge it to mean the same thing.

None of what you said changes the only definition of what a woman is. 

[Sheaf Saint]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Or we just say she because she's a girl and we shouldn't play along with someones fantasy or mental health issues. 

Congratulations on demonstrating spectacular ignorance by dismissing both gender dysphoria and mental illness all in the space of one sentence.

No wonder you consider transphobia to be an invented term. Saves you from having to see it in yourself.