The 2024 General Election - July 4th

[Weston Super Saint]

18 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Its leader used to say that he was proud that he had the same initials as the National Front and sang songs about gassing Jews. And then there is this -

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/24/reform-uk-forced-to-remove-more-than-100-general-election-candidates-in-2024

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/24374825.general-election-reform-candidate-horsham-loses-partys-support/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-68731487.amp

Not so much in the 30’s though eh?

The moral of the story is that Farage can't change his ways from when he was a school kid forty plus years ago, but Mussolini is fine to swing from one end of the political spectrum to the other in about 18 years.

 

[Tamesaint]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The moral of the story is that Farage can't change his ways from when he was a school kid forty plus years ago, but Mussolini is fine to swing from one end of the political spectrum to the other in about 18 years.

 

Oswald Moseley started off as Socialist and ended up leading the Blackshirts. Hitler led the National Socialist party. The moral of the story is that during the 1920s /1930s Fascist leaders started off Socialist and becane Fascist. 

Farage has always enjoyed singing songs about gassing Jews. 

Edited June 8 by Tamesaint

[Weston Super Saint]

5 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Oswald Moseley started off as Socialist and ended up leading the Blackshirts. The moral of the story is that during the 1920s /1930s Fascist leaders started off Socialist and becane Fascist. 

Farage has always enjoyed singing songs about gassing Jews. 

It's like love and hate.  Their is also a fine line between extreme left and extreme right ideologies.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The moral of the story is that Farage can't change his ways from when he was a school kid forty plus years ago, but Mussolini is fine to swing from one end of the political spectrum to the other in about 18 years.

 

What makes you think that he has changed? He is still leading a party full of racists and he is still a xenophobe with a xenophobic, ultra nationalistic  agenda. Mussolini changed his political agenda. Singing about gassing Jews comes from a different place.

This leopard can’t change his spots.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/nigel-farage-jews-muslims-palestinians-and-israel-his-most-controversial-quotes

Yet Duckie still supports and votes for him? Most odd.

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[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Warming more and more towards the Greens.

Really? That does surprise me 😂😂

 

Last week, the Board of Deputies urgedthe Green Party to do better when vetting parliamentary candidates and that "through their social media activity, some candidates appear to sympathise with the crudest antisemitic slurs. If the Green Party does not start showing some principle on this, it risks its wider agenda sinking into a growing cesspit of racism.”

Former Labour MP Dame Louise Ellman slammed the Greens for “stirring division” after the JC exposed that fellow co-leader Carla Denyer was using Palestinian flags on a batch of her official campaign material in Bristol Central.

The Greens were forced to abandon a potential candidate in Bristol East, Naseem Talukdar, after he compared Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu to Adolf Hitler on social media.

Eilzabeth Waight, the Green candidate for Bethnal Green and Stepney, decided to withdraw after she posted a video on Instagram on March 27 in which a woman said: “What’s left for the Zionists [is] to eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Palestinians… I think this will happen soon.” On Saturday apologised, saying “once I was made aware of connotations of anti-Semitism in some of the posts I shared from other accounts, I removed them immediately from my timeline and I apologise for the upset they have caused.”

Another candidate, Joe Belcher, standing for Aldridge-Brownhills in the West Midlands posted conspiracy theories that Israel paid Hamas to carry out the October 7 atrocities. He is still listed as an official candidate on the party’s website.
 

 

 

[The Kraken]

Seems to be quite a few Corbynites jumping ship from Labour and toxifying the Greens instead. Weird bunch, the far left, and pretty unpleasant.

[Weston Super Saint]

29 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

What makes you think that he has changed? He is still leading a party full of racists and he is still a xenophobe with a xenophobic, ultra nationalistic  agenda. Mussolini changed his political agenda. Singing about gassing Jews comes from a different place.

This leopard can’t change his spots.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/nigel-farage-jews-muslims-palestinians-and-israel-his-most-controversial-quotes

Yet Duckie still supports and votes for him? Most odd.

I assume that will all be in the manifesto then.

[Tamesaint]

48 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Really? That does surprise me 😂😂

 

Last week, the Board of Deputies urgedthe Green Party to do better when vetting parliamentary candidates and that "through their social media activity, some candidates appear to sympathise with the crudest antisemitic slurs. If the Green Party does not start showing some principle on this, it risks its wider agenda sinking into a growing cesspit of racism.”

Former Labour MP Dame Louise Ellman slammed the Greens for “stirring division” after the JC exposed that fellow co-leader Carla Denyer was using Palestinian flags on a batch of her official campaign material in Bristol Central.

The Greens were forced to abandon a potential candidate in Bristol East, Naseem Talukdar, after he compared Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu to Adolf Hitler on social media.

Eilzabeth Waight, the Green candidate for Bethnal Green and Stepney, decided to withdraw after she posted a video on Instagram on March 27 in which a woman said: “What’s left for the Zionists [is] to eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Palestinians… I think this will happen soon.” On Saturday apologised, saying “once I was made aware of connotations of anti-Semitism in some of the posts I shared from other accounts, I removed them immediately from my timeline and I apologise for the upset they have caused.”

Another candidate, Joe Belcher, standing for Aldridge-Brownhills in the West Midlands posted conspiracy theories that Israel paid Hamas to carry out the October 7 atrocities. He is still listed as an official candidate on the party’s website.
 

 

 

 

Its not just the Greens who have some dodgy candidates. Who would ever believe that Farage's party associated with Nazis? 

 

https://goodlawproject.org/reform-uk-suspends-candidate-who-shared-video-shot-at-far-right-protest/

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

 

Its not just the Greens who have some dodgy candidates. Who would ever believe that Farage's party associated with Nazis? 

 

https://goodlawproject.org/reform-uk-suspends-candidate-who-shared-video-shot-at-far-right-protest/

Why is it that so many posters on here when confronted with reprehensible behaviour from the extreme left, choose to talk about another group that have also done things wrong? It doesn't lessen the behaviour from an unrelated group. 

[sadoldgit]

48 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I assume that will all be in the manifesto then.

I assume that you are deliberately being obtuse.

If I was found to have sung a song about gassing Jews years ago, do you think you would ever let me forget it? Why so keen to let Farage off the hook so easily?

Will you be voting for them?

[sadoldgit]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Why is it that so many posters on here when confronted with reprehensible behaviour from the extreme left, choose to talk about another group that have also done things wrong? It doesn't lessen the behaviour from an unrelated group. 

Maybe because there is a greater problem in this country from the far right?

Did you see the evidence that there is a much greater incidence of unacceptable behaviour from those with a far right agenda in the Reform Party?

There has been plenty of discussion here about antisemitism in the Labour Party, much of it from you. Remember?

Why are you always so quick to post against those criticising the far right?

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Maybe because there is a greater problem in this country from the far right?

Did you see the evidence that there is a much greater incidence of unacceptable behaviour from those with a far right agenda in the Reform Party?

There has been plenty of discussion here about antisemitism in the Labour Party, much of it from you. Remember?

Why are you always so quick to post against those criticising the far right?

Terrible actions from someone on the far right is not relevant when someone is discussing wrongful actions from a different extremist group. Doing whataboutery every time it's mentioned makes it look like you're just avoiding any significant condemnation of a group you have greater sympathy for. 

Edited June 8 by hypochondriac

[Weston Super Saint]

11 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I assume that you are deliberately being obtuse.

If I was found to have sung a song about gassing Jews years ago, do you think you would ever let me forget it? Why so keen to let Farage off the hook so easily?

Will you be voting for them?

You are such a weapon!

You stated they were a party with an ultra nationalistic agenda.

I'm calling bullshit, that you've made that up and it won't be in their manifesto.

Do you expect me to answer who I'll be voting for (if anyone)? You've already made your mind up about me and many others, so there seems little point trying to change your adled mind.

[hypochondriac]

24 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Maybe because there is a greater problem in this country from the far right?

Did you see the evidence that there is a much greater incidence of unacceptable behaviour from those with a far right agenda in the Reform Party?

There has been plenty of discussion here about antisemitism in the Labour Party, much of it from you. Remember?

Why are you always so quick to post against those criticising the far right?

Also you describe half the posters on here as far right. No one is going to take your definition of the term sensibly. 

[egg]

35 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Maybe because there is a greater problem in this country from the far right?

Did you see the evidence that there is a much greater incidence of unacceptable behaviour from those with a far right agenda in the Reform Party?

There has been plenty of discussion here about antisemitism in the Labour Party, much of it from you. Remember?

Why are you always so quick to post against those criticising the far right?

Reform are not far right. The Tories have mostly moved right of centre and Reform are pretty much filling the gap to the right of them. Some of their policies will appeal to many, and as a left of centre man, I don't subscribe to many of their policies but I can see their appeal and certainly don't see them as some kind of neo nazi brigade. 

Abhorrent political views, left or right, are equally entitled to criticism. 

[sadoldgit]

9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Also you describe half the posters on here as far right. No one is going to take your definition of the term sensibly. 

A small handful is hardly half the posters. I have no idea what they are but I respond to what you/they post and who you/they support.

Back to the election, James O’Brien has retweeted a document that contains this quote -

Shortly before Sunak called the GE he was presented with an itinerary by officials with the “International Leaders” event marked as “optional.” Sunak and his aides decided he should not attend in part because it was the “French Event” and was therefore considered less significant.

Apparently he has cancelled all media interviews today. I wonder why that is?

[sadoldgit]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

Reform are not far right. The Tories have mostly moved right of centre and Reform are pretty much filling the gap to the right of them. Some of their policies will appeal to many, and as a left of centre man, I don't subscribe to many of their policies but I can see their appeal and certainly don't see them as some kind of neo nazi brigade. 

Abhorrent political views, left or right, are equally entitled to criticism. 

How do you differentiate between what is right, far right and extreme right?

Would you describe Rory Stewart and Suella Braverman as “right.”

I don’t think that I have described them as being some kind of neo Nazi outfit but they clearly attract many people with ultra nationalistic and xenophobic views. Would you agree that they are the nearest political party now to something like the BNP?

I don’t think that anyone is suggesting that any abhorrent views should be contested are they?

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

A small handful is hardly half the posters. I have no idea what they are but I respond to what you/they post and who you/they support.

Back to the election, James O’Brien has retweeted a document that contains this quote -

Shortly before Sunak called the GE he was presented with an itinerary by officials with the “International Leaders” event marked as “optional.” Sunak and his aides decided he should not attend in part because it was the “French Event” and was therefore considered less significant.

Apparently he has cancelled all media interviews today. I wonder why that is?

You describe a significant number of posters on here as far right. Now you're claiming that you have no idea what they are. Glad you're finally admitting that. 

[hypochondriac]

15 minutes ago, egg said:

Reform are not far right. The Tories have mostly moved right of centre and Reform are pretty much filling the gap to the right of them. Some of their policies will appeal to many, and as a left of centre man, I don't subscribe to many of their policies but I can see their appeal and certainly don't see them as some kind of neo nazi brigade. 

Abhorrent political views, left or right, are equally entitled to criticism. 

Agree with all of that. 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

How do you differentiate between what is right, far right and extreme right?

Would you describe Rory Stewart and Suella Braverman as “right.”

I don’t think that I have described them as being some kind of neo Nazi outfit but they clearly attract many people with ultra nationalistic and xenophobic views. Would you agree that they are the nearest political party now to something like the BNP?

I don’t think that anyone is suggesting that any abhorrent views should be contested are they?

What does nearest political party to something like the bnp even mean? They aren't the bnp. The greens are mostly loons but if the communist party of Great Britain packed it in, I wouldn't be describing them as the nearest political party to something like the communist Party of Great Britain. I'd be a grown up and not try to throw around slurs in such a haphazard manner. You claim to have had some fairly responsible jobs in your life yet your attempts to associate parties you don't like with the actual hard right is laughable, demeans you and suggests you are lacking in nuance at best and thick as mince at worst. 

Edited June 8 by hypochondriac

[sadoldgit]

46 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Terrible actions from someone on the far right is not relevant when someone is discussing wrongful actions from a different extremist group. Doing whataboutery every time it's mentioned makes it look like you're just avoiding any significant condemnation of a group you have greater sympathy for. 

Pointing out facts is hardly whataboutery in fact you are guilty of exactly what you are accusing me of.

Don't you recall attacking me when I spoke out against the views Robinson and Hopkins only to say later that you didn’t know who they were? 

There has been plenty of discussion over the years of poor behaviour in the political arena. Would you agree that the large majority of poor behaviour has been displayed by people on the right of the political divide?
 

 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

I assume that you are deliberately being obtuse.

If I was found to have sung a song about gassing Jews years ago, do you think you would ever let me forget it? Why so keen to let Farage off the hook so easily?

Will you be voting for them?

Sounds like you and Farage have more in common than you like? Maybe that’s why you hate him so much, when you see him you see the person you are desperately trying to leave behind.

[sadoldgit]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

You describe a significant number of posters on here as far right. Now you're claiming that you have no idea what they are. Glad you're finally admitting that. 

I don’t know how they vote, apart from Duckie. I know what they post.

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I don’t know how they vote, apart from Duckie. I know what they post.

Can you name the far right posters on here please. Just so we are clear who they are. 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Pointing out facts is hardly whataboutery in fact you are guilty of exactly what you are accusing me of.

Don't you recall attacking me when I spoke out against the views Robinson and Hopkins only to say later that you didn’t know who they were? 

There has been plenty of discussion over the years of poor behaviour in the political arena. Would you agree that the large majority of poor behaviour has been displayed by people on the right of the political divide?
 

 

No I don't recall attacking you when you spoke out against Robinson and Hopkins. I said I paid little to no attention to these people and at the time I had little idea who Tommy Robinson was. Unlike you I wasn't terminally online at the time. 

I'd say theres been an awful lot of terrible behaviour over the past decade in politics and I've seen some disgusting example on both sides of the political divide. I'm happy to criticise those of all political persuasions regardless of politics if I believe they've done something wrong because I'm not affiliated to a particular party or ideology. This is unlike some on here who simply respond with whataboutery from the tories. Not everyone and fair play to those who can call out bad behaviour from those they mostly align with politically. 

[egg]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

How do you differentiate between what is right, far right and extreme right?

Would you describe Rory Stewart and Suella Braverman as “right.”

I don’t think that I have described them as being some kind of neo Nazi outfit but they clearly attract many people with ultra nationalistic and xenophobic views. Would you agree that they are the nearest political party now to something like the BNP?

I don’t think that anyone is suggesting that any abhorrent views should be contested are they?

The reform policies of wanting to crank the personal allowances to £20k and pass the NHS to the private system are right wing policies, but that's not "far right" or "extreme right". If they wanted to round up all immigrants Idi Amin style then you'd have a point, but they ain't about that.

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I don’t know how they vote, apart from Duckie. I know what they post.

I wasn't talking about their voting record. You've labelled people as far right on here which are incredibly serious accusations that aren't backed up with anything.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, egg said:

The reform policies of wanting to crank the personal allowances to £20k and pass the NHS to the private system are right wing policies, but that's not "far right" or "extreme right". If they wanted to round up all immigrants Idi Amin style then you'd have a point, but they ain't about that.

Ditto replacing the ehrc with a British bill of rights. Extremist far right parties wouldn't bother. 

[egg]

9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Sounds like you and Farage have more in common than you like? Maybe that’s why you hate him so much, when you see him you see the person you are desperately trying to leave behind.

To be fair, I'm all over Farage's desire to bring back coal mining and maximise our natural energy for our own benefit. He's a good lad on that front. 

[sadoldgit]

Just now, egg said:

The reform policies of wanting to crank the personal allowances to £20k and pass the NHS to the private system are right wing policies, but that's not "far right" or "extreme right". If they wanted to round up all immigrants Idi Amin style then you'd have a point, but they ain't about that.

You are right, they are not, but that doesn’t mean that there opinion on immigrants are disturbing. They are trying to get seats in parliament, they are not likely to scare the old ladies. You and I both know that I am not suggesting some kind of Nazi regime, but a party that attracts the same kind of people that listen to the likes of Katie Hopkins should not be seen as some kind of cozy middle England home for the slightly miffed old fashioned Tories. 

[Tamesaint]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Why is it that so many posters on here when confronted with reprehensible behaviour from the extreme left, choose to talk about another group that have also done things wrong? It doesn't lessen the behaviour from an unrelated group. 

I would have thought it was bleeding obvious. It is called hypocrisy to ignore the faults of one side when criticising the same fault on the other side. 

Is your name hypocrite or hypochondriac?? 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Tamesaint said:

I would have thought it was bleeding obvious. It is called hypocrisy to ignore the faults of one side when criticising the same fault on the other side. 

Is your name hypocrite or hypochondriac?? 

lol far bigger hypocrites on here than him 

[sadoldgit]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Ditto replacing the ehrc with a British bill of rights. Extremist far right parties wouldn't bother. 

What is wrong with the EHRC? Didn’t we play a big part in its formation?

Oh! It doesn’t contain the word British! 🇬🇧

[sadoldgit]

8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I wasn't talking about their voting record. You've labelled people as far right on here which are incredibly serious accusations that aren't backed up with anything.

More serious than being labelled antisemitic? More serious than you famous quote “socialism is dangerous?”. Grow up. It is a football forum. No one is going to sue you for calling people names.

Help me out then. What do I call people who are clearly not normal, moderate Tories. They are further from the centre so not what we would call right wing. They are further right. Further? Far? Not quite Nazi? 
Nearly Nazi but with good intentions?

You talk about the far left. Is that not as “serious?” What is your definition of far left? 

 

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

What is wrong with the EHRC? Didn’t we play a big part in its formation?

Oh! It doesn’t contain the word British! 🇬🇧

I have zero interest in debating individual policies with someone as disingenuous as James O'brien but with even less intelligence. The point is that those aren't the policies of a far right political party. No one serious would be suggesting that reform are far right extremists. 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

More serious than being labelled antisemitic? More serious than you famous quote “socialism is dangerous?”. Grow up. It is a football forum. No one is going to sue you for calling people names.

Help me out then. What do I call people who are clearly not normal, moderate Tories. They are further from the centre so not what we would call right wing. They are further right. Further? Far? Not quite Nazi? 
Nearly Nazi but with good intentions?

You talk about the far left. Is that not as “serious?” What is your definition of far left? 

 

No one is going to sue you know but what they will do is relentlessly mock and deride you in response and also point to posts like this when other posters ask why you provoke such reactions. 

As egg said already, the Tories have moved largely to the centre right and Reform is mostly filling the gap that they vacated. Reform UK are clearly on the right of politics. Associating them with the BNP or similar is the preserve of either simpletons or jokers. 

[hypochondriac]

15 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

I would have thought it was bleeding obvious. It is called hypocrisy to ignore the faults of one side when criticising the same fault on the other side. 

Is your name hypocrite or hypochondriac?? 

A nonsense. I have no trouble at all calling out for example some of the batshit politicians on the left alongside all manner of terrible politicians and 'personalities' on the right. I've also voted for parties on the left and right of British politics because like I said I'm not wedded to a particular ideology. 

[sadoldgit]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

A nonsense. I have no trouble at all calling out for example some of the batshit politicians on the left alongside all manner of terrible politicians and 'personalities' on the right. I've also voted for parties on the left and right of British politics because like I said I'm not wedded to a particular ideology. 

Good for you. So what are you getting so het up about? No one is saying you can’t criticise, left, far left, Communist, Marxist, Maoist, Stalinist etc doctrines. You just seem to get very, very vocal when people have a go at anything right of centre right. It is almost as if you have an agenda but don’t know it 🤔

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Good for you. So what are you getting so het up about? No one is saying you can’t criticise, left, far left, Communist, Marxist, Maoist, Stalinist etc doctrines. You just seem to get very, very vocal when people have a go at anything right of centre right. It is almost as if you have an agenda but don’t know it 🤔

Can't be bothered. 

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

What makes you think that he has changed? He is still leading a party full of racists and he is still a xenophobe with a xenophobic, ultra nationalistic  agenda.

 

 

56 minutes ago, egg said:

The reform policies of wanting to crank the personal allowances to £20k and pass the NHS to the private system are right wing policies, but that's not "far right" or "extreme right". If they wanted to round up all immigrants Idi Amin style then you'd have a point, but they ain't about that.

 

50 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You are right, they are not, but that doesn’t mean that there opinion on immigrants are disturbing. They are trying to get seats in parliament, they are not likely to scare the old ladies. You and I both know that I am not suggesting some kind of Nazi regime, but a party that attracts the same kind of people that listen to the likes of Katie Hopkins should not be seen as some kind of cozy middle England home for the slightly miffed old fashioned Tories. 

Wow, that's the fastest volte face in the history of Saintsweb!

[sadoldgit]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Can't be bothered. 

Of course you can’t because you have a weak arguement.

Corbyn got and still gets plenty of criticism in here as did/does Diane Abbott and other far left spokespeople. Owen Jones gets stick. Starmer and his cabinet will get a hammering one they are elected.

The Tories have been in power for 14 years so of course there will be more vitriol aimed at them. Brexit was an issue that had big issues around nationalism and immigration so that was always going to cause friction between the more liberal and the further right brigade. This idea that somehow the Left get of Scott free is nonsense, but as I said earlier, there is a greater issue from people of the more right of centre (far right to me😉) than there is from the far left at the moment so it makes more sense to focus on them.

If it had been a small army of Communists kicking off at the Cenotaph on Armistice day I think you will find that they would have been called out too.

[sadoldgit]

4 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

 

 

Wow, that's the fastest volte face in the history of Saintsweb!

When I said you are right, they are not I was referring to his comment about rounding up immigrants Idi Amin style. Do keep up.

[sadoldgit]

50 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I have zero interest in debating individual policies with someone as disingenuous as James O'brien but with even less intelligence. The point is that those aren't the policies of a far right political party. No one serious would be suggesting that reform are far right extremists. 

Let’s not get into a discussion about intelligence hypo, it is not your strong point. Reform have had to kick out a number of candidates for strongly racists views. Goodness knows how many more hold the same views but haven’t been caught out yet. How would you express those deeply offensive racist views if not extremist? Get back to me when you can be bothered.

Yet again though you seem to be defending quite extreme views. 

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Of course you can’t because you have a weak arguement.

Corbyn got and still gets plenty of criticism in here as did/does Diane Abbott and other far left spokespeople. Owen Jones gets stick. Starmer and his cabinet will get a hammering one they are elected.

The Tories have been in power for 14 years so of course there will be more vitriol aimed at them. Brexit was an issue that had big issues around nationalism and immigration so that was always going to cause friction between the more liberal and the further right brigade. This idea that somehow the Left get of Scott free is nonsense, but as I said earlier, there is a greater issue from people of the more right of centre (far right to me😉) than there is from the far left at the moment so it makes more sense to focus on them.

If it had been a small army of Communists kicking off at the Cenotaph on Armistice day I think you will find that they would have been called out too.

No because I can't be bothered to counter your idiotic and disingenuous jibes for the fitieth time. Have a good time soggy x

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Let’s not get into a discussion about intelligence hypo, it is not your strong point. Reform have had to kick out a number of candidates for strongly racists views. Goodness knows how many more hold the same views but haven’t been caught out yet. How would you express those deeply offensive racist views if not extremist? Get back to me when you can be bothered.

Yet again though you seem to be defending quite extreme views. 

A party with far right racist views kicks out members with far right racist views. Hmm and you say intellect isn’t someone else’s strong point. 

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

No because I can't be bothered to counter your idiotic and disingenuous jibes for the fitieth time. Have a good time soggy x

Aren’t you on ignore anyway? I see he’s respond to Weston too who is also on ignore. He’s still running scared of me at the moment it seems. 

[Weston Super Saint]

25 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

When I said you are right, they are not I was referring to his comment about rounding up immigrants Idi Amin style. Do keep up.

So you genuinely believe they are extreme far right with a xenophobic agenda?

[Weston Super Saint]

21 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Let’s not get into a discussion about intelligence hypo, it is not your strong point. Reform have had to kick out a number of candidates for strongly racists views. Goodness knows how many more hold the same views but haven’t been caught out yet. How would you express those deeply offensive racist views if not extremist? Get back to me when you can be bothered.

Yet again though you seem to be defending quite extreme views. 

Why on earth would they do that if they are an extreme, far right, xenophobic party?  

[AlexLaw76]

32 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Let’s not get into a discussion about intelligence hypo, it is not your strong point. Reform have had to kick out a number of candidates for strongly racists views. Goodness knows how many more hold the same views but haven’t been caught out yet. How would you express those deeply offensive racist views if not extremist? Get back to me when you can be bothered.

Yet again though you seem to be defending quite extreme views. 

Isn’t that similar to Labour kicking out Jezza?

[hypochondriac]

34 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Aren’t you on ignore anyway? I see he’s respond to Weston too who is also on ignore. He’s still running scared of me at the moment it seems. 

I took the unwise decision to agree with him on something yesterday. More fool me. 

Edited June 8 by hypochondriac