The 2024 General Election - July 4th

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Mordaunt does do a good job on presentation. She could well be the next LOTO. Such a shame she's a skate and doesn't know what a woman is. 

She’s hopeless. And I am watching the football! Only good thing you can say about her she is fit. Definitely not the brightest

[hypochondriac]

Farage has a command of figures which gives him an air of authority even if someone disagrees with him. Mordaunt shouting about the £2000 thing because polls showed it may have had some cut through the other day is pretty desperate. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

She’s hopeless. And I am watching the football! Only good thing you can say about her she is fit. Definitely not the brightest

To be fair she's got a pretty impossible job here trying to defend the government. I don't actually care what the tories do once they are wiped out next month. Still think she could be tory leader though. 

[The Kraken]

Just now, whelk said:

She’s hopeless. And I am watching the football! Only good thing you can say about her she is fit. Definitely not the brightest

Yep this. She scrubs up nicely but her best quality is that she mainly keeps herself under the radar. When she’s out front and centre we get the stand up and fight side of her, I reckon she’s a bit if a loony underneath it all. I do reckon she’ll be next leader though, either her or Bad Enoch.

This England game is about as dreadful as I expected.

[Lord Duckhunter]

The Greens, Lib Dems, Taffs & Sweaties are just promising money left right and centre. It’s all money for this, money for that, more soliders, more doctors, more care workers. They’re going to fix the roads, build more houses. Fucking 6th form politics. Raynor, Penny & Nigel the only ones not living in fantasy land. 

[hypochondriac]

This moderator is very good though. Much better than lots of others I've heard at least. The green woman is very shrill and sounds like she is talking through a loudspeaker. Awful. 

[whelk]

7 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

This England game is about as dreadful as I expected

Yep- oh well at least can check the debate out at half-time

[hypochondriac]

Bet the snp are pleased they got this guy in instead of Humza for this election. 

[whelk]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Bet the snp are pleased they got this guy in instead of Humza for this election. 

Swinney is the replacement. Flynn is the Commoms guy 

[AlexLaw76]

Ed Davey used the NHS.

that’s 3!

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

Swinney is the replacement. Flynn is the Commoms guy 

Fair enough I don't pay enough attention to the snp. He's quite good in this debate. 

[hypochondriac]

Who was the last snp bloke at Westminster? He was a proper bellend. 

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Who was the last snp bloke at Westminster? He was a proper bellend. 

Ian Blackford. Loved himself for sure

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Who was the last snp bloke at Westminster? He was a proper bellend. 

Ian Blackford?

His own Westminster chums couldn't stand him either. As soon as Sturgeon's control wavered they promptly stabbed in the back, any got shot of him.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Ian Blackford?

His own Westminster chums couldn't stand him either. As soon as Sturgeon's control wavered they promptly stabbed in the back, any got shot of him.

Yeah that's the one. This guy comes across very well but tbf Sturgeon often did and she fucked up the country. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Yeah that's the one. This guy comes across very well but tbf Sturgeon often did and she fucked up the country. 

Flynn conspired with Humza to drop the Greens. Not done tactfully, resulting in Humza losing his job. New deputy Kate Forbes also involved. Not much love lost between the Westminster SNP and the shortbread tin parliament SNP.

Westminster SNP had obstacles put in the way of them returning home to stand, making because Stugeon didn't want anyone with clout getting in thecway of her control.

Blackford was an appalling trougher.

[whelk]

Fuck this. Think I’ll get more enlightened by hearing Joe Cole telling me ‘he’ll be disappointed with that’ referring to Kane shinning it over the bar from 6 yards

[AlexLaw76]

Knife crime solved. Just chuck in a mental heath councillor in each school in downtown Hackney, and viola!!

[badgerx16]

From the above it seems that opting to watch the stream of Hampshirev vs Gloucestershire was the correct choice.

 

FYI. Hants won.

[sadoldgit]

I suppose, given the law of averages, this had to happen eventually. I agree with Farage about something. Proportional Representation. Even though it will give his party a seat or two.

I wish they would turn off the other microphones when someone is speaking. So irritating when they talk over each other.

Mordant obviously told to keep repeating £2000. 

Hislop on HIGNFY just mentioned that the Tories have raised taxes by £13k.  £2k seems like a bargain.
 

 

[hypochondriac]

The real winner was the dweeb in the crowd who looked close to tears every time Farage said anything. 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, sadoldgit said:

I suppose, given the law of averages, this had to happen eventually. I agree with Farage about something. Proportional Representation. Even though it will give his party a seat or two.

I wish they would turn off the other microphones when someone is speaking. So irritating when they talk over each other.

Mordant obviously told to keep repeating £2000. 

Hislop on HIGNFY just mentioned that the Tories have raised taxes by £13k.  £2k seems like a bargain.
 

 

Surprisingly I agree with that. 

[badgerx16]

23 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Knife crime solved. Just chuck in a mental heath councillor in each school in downtown Hackney, and viola!!

Do you think teaching inner city kids stringed instruments is really the answer ?

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Hislop on HIGNFY just mentioned that the Tories have raised taxes by £13k.  £2k seems like a bargain.
 

 

Hislop obviously watches SKY News.

[Sheaf Saint]

5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Do you think teaching inner city kids stringed instruments is really the answer ?

Reducing crime with the power of classical music. 

Might work.

[hypochondriac]

12 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Do you think teaching inner city kids stringed instruments is really the answer ?

Ever seen school of rock or sister act 2: back in the habit? 

[whelk]

6 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Reducing crime with the power of classical music. 

Might work.

Statistically, clarinet players stab less people than the average youth

[badgerx16]

7 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Reducing crime with the power of classical music. 

 

"Sabotage" by the Beastie Boys ?

( Star Trek reference )

[sadoldgit]

19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Surprisingly I agree with that. 

It was going to happen one day hypo.

[Lord Duckhunter]

The bird controlled the debate pretty well, because it could have been a shambles. 
 

Funny outcome  because I reckon supporters of all 7 will have been pleased with their candidate’s performance. They all got their points over and did a great job for their particular views. Fair play to Penny, she was handed a hospital pass and dealt with it ok. 
 

Personally, I was happy with Nigel & I think he’s done himself some good with his target audience. He’s a lot slicker than previously, clearly worked on presentation & avoiding the dead cat technique. I was worried he may talk and interrupt too much & may say something outrageous, the fact he didn’t indicates to me he seriously thinks there could be a breakthrough. Obviously, the lefties will hate him, he won’t care. Absolutely nobody is contemplating whether to vote reform or Green, Lib Dem or reform, so he’s not lost any votes by pushing stop & search, criticising net zero, & saying immigration is too high. He got lucky to close last and made the most of it with a great closing statement. If I was a Tory, I’d be worried their vote isn’t going to be squeezed this time.

[sadoldgit]

I don’t see the point of these debates before the manifestos are published.

[sadoldgit]

6 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The bird controlled the debate pretty well, because it could have been a shambles. 
 

Funny outcome  because I reckon supporters of all 7 will have been pleased with their candidate’s performance. They all got their points over and did a great job for their particular views. Fair play to Penny, she was handed a hospital pass and dealt with it ok. 
 

Personally, I was happy with Nigel & I think he’s done himself some good with his target audience. He’s a lot slicker than previously, clearly worked on presentation & avoiding the dead cat technique. I was worried he may talk and interrupt too much & may say something outrageous, the fact he didn’t indicates to me he seriously thinks there could be a breakthrough. Obviously, the lefties will hate him, he won’t care. Absolutely nobody is contemplating whether to vote reform or Green, Lib Dem or reform, so he’s not lost any votes by pushing stop & search, criticising net zero, & saying immigration is too high. He got lucky to close last and made the most of it with a great closing statement. If I was a Tory, I’d be worried their vote isn’t going to be squeezed this time.

Didn’t say anything outrageous? What about welcome to the benefits?

[hypochondriac]

20 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It was going to happen one day hypo.

I'd be careful though. You're aligned with the far right. 

[Challenger]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Ian Blackford?

His own Westminster chums couldn't stand him either. As soon as Sturgeon's control wavered they promptly stabbed in the back, any got shot of him.

Should have stabbed him in the belly ( or mouth), far larger target.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd be careful though. You're aligned with the far right. 

Yes I know. I feel dirty. 😳

So back to the debate. Both Rayner and Mordaunt seemed stiff and paralysed. It was the panelist’s who are in no danger of governing who spoke with more freedom.

Only the Greens and the SNP brave enough to talk about the elephant in the room - Brexit

Edited June 7 by sadoldgit

[Tamesaint]

Pompey Penny not everybody's cup of tea. 

 

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/penny-mordaunts-thatcher-cosplay-act-failed-election-debate-3098077

[sadoldgit]

25 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Pompey Penny not everybody's cup of tea. 

 

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/penny-mordaunts-thatcher-cosplay-act-failed-election-debate-3098077

As with Sunak v Starmer the plan seems to be shout over the other and try and disrupt them and shoehorn in the £2k lie. Despite times call for desperate measures. They really are a mess. So much so that the Reform Party (National Front disguising itself as an acceptable political party) are hoovering up the support of many Tory (and some Labour) voters. 
This election is all about getting a dreadful Tory administration out. Labour will win but have an awful lot of work to do. Reform are going to make huge waves with protest votes but have no substance. They will have a massive impact on the future of the Tory Party though.

The Greens will win a few more seats. The LibDems are in danger of falling behind both the wiped out Tories and the new kids on the block, Reform.

The next ten years are going to be very hard. Putin will continue to play his brinksmanship games with the West. The Isreal/Palestine issue will continue keep the Middle East situation unstable. The economy is not going to bounce back any time soon. Public services will continue to deteriorate through lack of inadequate financing.

I find it odd that Mordaunt kept banging on about tax cuts and accusing Labour of wanting to increase taxes. There is no way on earth that it makes sense to cut taxes. Even if you keep them at the same level you will have to increase borrowing to pay for what is needed.

Flynn was right. Neither the Tories or Labour are being totally honest about how difficult our financial situation is. To give Labour credit, at least they look gravely concerned when talking about it whereas the Tories are just blagging it.

Labour will win, but Farage is going to be the one they will need to dealing with. The current Tory Party are toast and LibDems have no punch.

[revolution saint]

3 hours ago, whelk said:

She’s hopeless. And I am watching the football! Only good thing you can say about her she is fit. Definitely not the brightest

Yeah, I'm going to call you out on that one.  Not the hopeless thing, that's fine, but fit?  Honestly?  Sturdy girl in a blue dress and and an 80's hairstyle does not equal fit.  

Debate wise she was always on a loser.  Spent too much time interrupting Raynor that she trampled over any decent points she might have had.  Thought the welsh fella did OK but then no one really cared about him, ditto the greens and lib dems.  SNP guy did well and was far more effective on Labour than phwoar Penny, although it must be easy being in charge and yet still blaming the govt for not giving you enough money when you fail.

Thought Farage was subdued - did a few of the old favourites but didn't push anything.  I think he'll probably wilt a bit when he's taken seriously and asked more about his policies - single issue stuff he can do well but a rounded, balanced manifesto is a different matter.

[sadoldgit]

Just seen the front pages of the press. The Mail and Telegraph don’t mention Sunak’s D-Day gaffe at all. The Express focus on his apology.

[trousers]

6 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

fit?  Honestly? 

 

[revolution saint]

Just now, trousers said:

 

You need to get out more.  

[Tamesaint]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

As with Sunak v Starmer the plan seems to be shout over the other and try and disrupt them and shoehorn in the £2k lie. Despite times call for desperate measures. They really are a mess. So much so that the Reform Party (National Front disguising itself as an acceptable political party) are hoovering up the support of many Tory (and some Labour) voters. 
This election is all about getting a dreadful Tory administration out. Labour will win but have an awful lot of work to do. Reform are going to make huge waves with protest votes but have no substance. They will have a massive impact on the future of the Tory Party though.

The Greens will win a few more seats. The LibDems are in danger of falling behind both the wiped out Tories and the new kids on the block, Reform.

The next ten years are going to be very hard. Putin will continue to play his brinksmanship games with the West. The Isreal/Palestine issue will continue keep the Middle East situation unstable. The economy is not going to bounce back any time soon. Public services will continue to deteriorate through lack of inadequate financing.

I find it odd that Mordaunt kept banging on about tax cuts and accusing Labour of wanting to increase taxes. There is no way on earth that it makes sense to cut taxes. Even if you keep them at the same level you will have to increase borrowing to pay for what is needed.

Flynn was right. Neither the Tories or Labour are being totally honest about how difficult our financial situation is. To give Labour credit, at least they look gravely concerned when talking about it whereas the Tories are just blagging it.

Labour will win, but Farage is going to be the one they will need to dealing with. The current Tory Party are toast and LibDems have no punch.

Disagree with what you say about the Lib Dems. They will not be wiped out. Their percentage vote may well decline but they are concentrating their resources on seats where they can win. 

My constituency has always been solid Tory. Heseltine and Johnson have been previous MPs. The Lib Dems have usually come second. Now however it is one of the Lib Dem target seats. They hold other nearby seats. With tactical voting and the  ABC  voting pattern (Anyone But Conservative) I can see them winning my constituency. 

One of the polls that is based on a constituency by constituency basis rather than looking at the national percentages reckoned that they would win 63 seats. The same poll put the Tories at 95 seats. If this is correct, the way that things are going it is not impossible for the Lib Dems to become the official opposition. 

[buctootim]

14 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Disagree with what you say about the Lib Dems. They will not be wiped out. Their percentage vote may well decline but they are concentrating their resources on seats where they can win. 

My constituency has always been solid Tory. Heseltine and Johnson have been previous MPs. The Lib Dems have usually come second. Now however it is one of the Lib Dem target seats. They hold other nearby seats. With tactical voting and the  ABC  voting pattern (Anyone But Conservative) I can see them winning my constituency. 

One of the polls that is based on a constituency by constituency basis rather than looking at the national percentages reckoned that they would win 63 seats. The same poll put the Tories at 95 seats. If this is correct, the way that things are going it is not impossible for the Lib Dems to become the official opposition. 

Same here in Mid Sussex. Very Tory seat but LDs probably have the best chance of overturning that. The LDs, like the SNP for example, are concentrated in a small number of seats rather than spread thinly across the country. They will almost certainly get more seats with 11-12% vote share than Reform with 17-18%.       

Edited June 8 by buctootim

[buctootim]

[whelk]

7 hours ago, revolution saint said:

Yeah, I'm going to call you out on that one.  Not the hopeless thing, that's fine, but fit?  Honestly?  Sturdy girl in a blue dress and and an 80's hairstyle does not equal fit.  

Debate wise she was always on a loser.  Spent too much time interrupting Raynor that she trampled over any decent points she might have had.  Thought the welsh fella did OK but then no one really cared about him, ditto the greens and lib dems.  SNP guy did well and was far more effective on Labour than phwoar Penny, although it must be easy being in charge and yet still blaming the govt for not giving you enough money when you fail.

Thought Farage was subdued - did a few of the old favourites but didn't push anything.  I think he'll probably wilt a bit when he's taken seriously and asked more about his policies - single issue stuff he can do well but a rounded, balanced manifesto is a different matter.

Scrubs up well but in the eye often beholder and all that.. Something about her, maybe it is imagining the angry sex of fucking a Tory.

[Lord Duckhunter]

8 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

So much so that the Reform Party (National Front disguising itself as an acceptable political party)

You don’t half come out with some old pony. 🤡

[sadoldgit]

6 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

Disagree with what you say about the Lib Dems. They will not be wiped out. Their percentage vote may well decline but they are concentrating their resources on seats where they can win. 

My constituency has always been solid Tory. Heseltine and Johnson have been previous MPs. The Lib Dems have usually come second. Now however it is one of the Lib Dem target seats. They hold other nearby seats. With tactical voting and the  ABC  voting pattern (Anyone But Conservative) I can see them winning my constituency. 

One of the polls that is based on a constituency by constituency basis rather than looking at the national percentages reckoned that they would win 63 seats. The same poll put the Tories at 95 seats. If this is correct, the way that things are going it is not impossible for the Lib Dems to become the official opposition. 

I hope that you are right about the LibDems. They should really make an effort in my constituency but don’t bother. It is a safe Tory seat with Labour well behind in second place but the demographic would be perfect for them to pitch to disaffected Tories.

Farage did his usual stand up last night. He is very good at the negative, destructive, playing on people’s fears stuff but looks like a fish out of water when it comes to articulating constructive policies.

Who will become the next Tory leader? They would be mad to go with Farage who would just give them another Johnson, plenty of front but no substance.

Mordaunt comes across as one of the Stepford wives. Braverman, Badenoch and Patel would be more at home in Reform.

Who is the sensible, moderate safe pair of hands waiting in the wings to unite the separate factions?  A Rory Stewart type.

How likely is it that, post election, the Tories and Reform will merge (National Conservatism?) with Farage moulding the new party in his own image?

Warming more and more towards the Greens. They are upfront about the need to rejoin the EU, something that Starmer believes but is too frightened to go there after the last election debacle. It will be a bigger issue in the next election in 5 years’ time.

We need new parties and new ideas. The same old same old last night between the Tories and Labour looks so 20th century.

 

 

 

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

You don’t half come out with some old pony. 🤡

Just look at its roots and some of the deeply unpleasant candidates. But then if you had been around in the 30’s you would label Mussolini a pinko.

[badgerx16]

20 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Just look at its roots and some of the deeply unpleasant candidates. But then if you had been around in the 30’s you would label Mussolini a pinko.

Mussolini joined the Italian Socialist Party in 1912.

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

You don’t half come out with some old pony. 🤡

Its leader used to say that he was proud that he had the same initials as the National Front and sang songs about gassing Jews. And then there is this -

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/24/reform-uk-forced-to-remove-more-than-100-general-election-candidates-in-2024

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/24374825.general-election-reform-candidate-horsham-loses-partys-support/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-68731487.amp

34 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Mussolini joined the Italian Socialist Party in 1912.

Not so much in the 30’s though eh?

Edited June 8 by sadoldgit
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