The 2024 General Election - July 4th

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, egg said:

Ha! I just fundamentally disagree with your attitudes and outlook, backed by your belief that your attitudes and outlook is the right one. 

You're having a pop at someone cos they voted Labour, and you see that is wrong because your daft belief is that doing so makes someone "mental". That from a bloke who supports what Israel are doing and who fell for Boris's charms. 

Your belief that you're on some high flying moral cloud is laughable. 

You've utterly misrepresented what I said. I even said that I can understand someone voting for Corbyn under certain circumstances. You've just taken that to mean that I called all labour voters mental which is completely untrue. There's a massive difference between celebrating a candidate and getting in a big strop if they don't get elected versus voting for them with reluctance because on balance you think they are the least worst. Any genuine supporter of Corbyn who was gagging for him to take power is mad as I said. "supports what Israel is doing" idiotic blanket statement. "Fell for Boris' charms" unevidenced and another idiotic claim that can be dismissed. 

Never claimed to be on a high moral cloud thats a lot of people who agree with you. 

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, egg said:

I get that, but in a GE, is a protest vote anything other than a waste. I'd never have voted for Corbyn, but if a Labour voted casted a vote for Labour despite Corbyn being at the helm rather than vote for for one of the other big 2, I have no issue with that. What I object to is people who voted this lot in having the gall to criticise anyone who voted Labour at the last GE, and believing that they're somehow morally superior. 

I see no evidence for anyone on this thread believing or doing what you describe. You've just invented that fiction in your head. 

[hypochondriac]

38 minutes ago, egg said:

That's a selective interpretation. Regardless, anyone who voted this lot in cannot criticise anyone else's voting choice. 

 

 

Of course they can. It's a completely different election and the reasons for a vote are of interest. 

[harvey]

2 hours ago, egg said:

That's a selective interpretation. Regardless, anyone who voted this lot in cannot criticise anyone else's voting choice. 

 

 

What a stupid thing to say. I thought you were one of the more educated ones on here...obviously not.

[hypochondriac]

48 minutes ago, harvey said:

What a stupid thing to say. I thought you were one of the more educated ones on here...obviously not.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion! 

[aintforever]

6 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Yeah in the same way that supporters of chairman Mao have a different opinion to me. 

That’s pretty special, even for you.

I know a few people who supported Corbyn, they are not mental in the slightest. Probably the nicest, most caring people I know.

[egg]

3 hours ago, harvey said:

What a stupid thing to say. I thought you were one of the more educated ones on here...obviously not.

Nowt stupid about it, we've got Hypo describing people as mental for voting labour and Corbyn last time, yet he's one of the ones who gifted this lot and the hit that was Boris. He's in no position to lord his choices over others. 

[Lighthouse]

I don’t care how far left or right you vote, Corbyn is a nutter. He’s a nuclear disarmament, anti-NATO pacifist. If Europe was run by people like him there wouldn’t be an EU to trade with at all, Putin would be rebuilding his Soviet empire fantasy whilst Jezza screamed that it was all our fault.

[The Kraken]

32 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I don’t care how far left or right you vote, Corbyn is a nutter. He’s a nuclear disarmament, anti-NATO pacifist. If Europe was run by people like him there wouldn’t be an EU to trade with at all, Putin would be rebuilding his Soviet empire fantasy whilst Jezza screamed that it was all our fault.

Corbyn is a twat no doubt, but I’m not sure if labelling him a pacifist and being in favour of nuclear disarmament is quite the slam dunk you think it is. Fuck me, there’s plenty to go after Corbyn about and that’s the best you can do? 
 

And I thought he was thick.

[Lighthouse]

10 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Corbyn is a twat no doubt, but I’m not sure if labelling him a pacifist and being in favour of nuclear disarmament is quite the slam dunk you think it is. Fuck me, there’s plenty to go after Corbyn about and that’s the best you can do? 
 

And I thought he was thick.

Is ‘the best I can do’ him completely undermining European security, saying he is opposed to us having a nuclear deterrent and blaming NATO for the situation in Ukraine literally in the hours leading up to the Russian invasion?

[revolution saint]

So the Tories want to bring back national service. Proof if needed that they’re fucking mad.

[badgerx16]

40 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

So the Tories want to bring back national service. Proof if needed that they’re fucking mad.

"Big Society" 2.0

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, revolution saint said:

So the Tories want to bring back national service. Proof if needed that they’re fucking mad.

They’re stark raving mad - cost of £2.5bn too. Proof that they have become the party of the very elderly, English nats, and not much else. It won’t help them with either young voters nor their parents, they barely have any voters under 65 these days. And they wonder why.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpddxy9r4mdo

Don’t get me wrong, I volunteered for years and it’s a really valuable and rewarding thing to do but balanced with a senior management full time role and a side consultancy business it was very demanding and activities like playing golf had to go. 18 year olds need to be focusing on part-time work for their further studies or maximising their energies into apprenticeships, not playing the plastic TA and reviving nostalgia of the 1950s for Daily Express readers in their 80s and 90s.

Better to actually restore military levels with trained professionals and stop pointless tax bribes when we all know they’ll go up via another route anyway over a Parliament. And encourage volunteering in things people are passionate about and interested in. Work with a range of different sectors at all ages to get a package of volunteering opportunities offers so people get the chance to work alongside people they wouldn’t normally. Good way to offer career development. If the NHS waiting lists come down it’s also a great pathway back into paid work as it gives people examples of what they’ve done at interviews etc.

Edited May 25 by Gloucester Saint

[sadoldgit]

16 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

That's a lot of rewriting of history! You had an absolute meltdown on here when Corbyn didn't win the election. You're trying to distance yourself from it now, but you had a complete strop because you were a Corbyn supporter. 

Still making things up then. I have made it clear that I voted LidDem for years but stopped when Clegg handed power to Cameron, a move that had a disastrous effect on the UK both nationally and internationally. I have previously stated very clearly that I voted tactically in the last two elections in order to get the sitting Tory MP out. That meant voting for the Labour candidate. That said I had no problem if it meant Corbyn becoming PM. I would have preferred a more centralist Labour leader but still felt that Corbyn was a better option than anything the Tories had to offer. We will never know how a Corbyn lead Labour Party government would have fared but we know exactly what damage Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and now Sunak have done to this country. I wasn’t a Corbyn supporter. I was a supporter of getting the Tories out and he was the best bet at the time as the LibDems weren’t at the races and I would still have him as PM before anything the Tories have had to offer. As for the “meltdown” (you are such a drama queen) I think millions of people in this country felt absolutely gutted when the Tories won and have been proved to be right. Plenty of people had a “strop” because they new exactly where the country was heading.

I am not distancing myself from Corbyn but I do realise that in order for Starmer to win a workable majority he needs to win the votes of the people that Corbyn scares. He doesn’t scare me but he clearly scares people like you (who think that socialism is dangerous 😂). Corbyn is an electoral liability for those who make up Middle England. The bigger issue here is to remove the Tories from power and if that means that some people have to be sidelined, then so be it. As a turkey you might be happy to vote for Christmas. Hopefully most of the country’s voters will have a different view.

What is all this nonsense about “White Knight”? Egg and I have crossed swords many times in the past and will probably do so again in the future. He is grown up enough to understand that you can agree on some things and disagree on others. You on the other hand do not have that in your locker. Your very childish comment shows once again that you have zero self awareness. You are part of a small group of like minded people who constantly back each other up and never, ever, criticise each other. To call one person a “White Knight” for agreeing very occasionally with a poster who you spend a lot  your time slagging off reflects more on your own inability to function as rational adult on social media.

Another example, if it were needed, is the way you selectively criticise the likes of Dianne Abbott but turn a blind eye when someone whose politics you support makes bigger gaffs. Laura Trott has made herself look more inept and foolish than Abbott but not a word of criticism from you. No surprise there.

You voted for Johnson when it was very clear what a car wreck of a person he is. You have said you would vote for Badenoch now also displays some very unpleasant traits. Very strange for someone who once claimed on here to be “liberal” 😂.

As for “mental” don’t you think that Sunak’s plan to bring back National Service falls into that category? Perhaps capitalists can be dangerous too? 😂

By the way, I am using laughing emojis here as you enjoy them so much 😉.
 

 

Oh, and Kraken, sorry to see that you have fallen into the same trap as the other usual suspects on here but let me assure you that grown ups are entirely able to be pro Palestinian without being antisemites.

 

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[SotonianWill]

2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

They’re stark raving mad - cost of £2.5bn too. Proof that they have become the party of the very elderly, English nats, and not much else. It won’t help them with either young voters nor their parents, they barely have any voters under 65 these days. And they wonder why.

I think it’s a good idea and it isn’t as unpopular with the youth as you’d presume, especially in the current world climate. Also it’s hardly full national service as majority will pick the civic service / charity work if they’re that opposed. Baffling as to why it’s come out now though. 

[Fan The Flames]

4 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

I think it’s a good idea and it isn’t as unpopular with the youth as you’d presume, especially in the current world climate. Also it’s hardly full national service as majority will pick the civic service / charity work if they’re that opposed. Baffling as to why it’s come out now though. 

It's not that baffling as we are in the run up to a GE and stuff like this comes out in speeches and campaigning before the manifesto launch. 

Sunak wants to be seen as the candidate for security.

Compelling kids to do something won't be popular, but some sort of scheme for the kids interested would be good.

Edited May 26 by Fan The Flames

[pingpong]

With the warning to get canned food in the cupboards, calling up all 18yr olds to national service, and the declaration that every aspect of british life will change over the next 5 years as we enter a dangerous era, is anyone asking why sunak seems to be putting us on a war footing? 

Wondering if he knows something, or other he is fear mongering ahead of a ge...

[AlexLaw76]

26 minutes ago, pingpong said:

With the warning to get canned food in the cupboards, calling up all 18yr olds to national service, and the declaration that every aspect of british life will change over the next 5 years as we enter a dangerous era, is anyone asking why sunak seems to be putting us on a war footing? 

Wondering if he knows something, or other he is fear mongering ahead of a ge...

we have been told Russia are going to rampage across Europe for 2 years. A while ago military leaders were suggesting conscription may be required.

Of course, it is all nonsense, but here we are

[The Kraken]

3 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

It's not that baffling as we are in the run up to a GE and stuff like this comes out in speeches and campaigning before the manifesto launch. 

Sunak wants to be seen as the candidate for security.

And who could fail to feel secure with this action man in command?

[sadoldgit]

On 26/05/2024 at 08:42, pingpong said:

With the warning to get canned food in the cupboards, calling up all 18yr olds to national service, and the declaration that every aspect of british life will change over the next 5 years as we enter a dangerous era, is anyone asking why sunak seems to be putting us on a war footing? 

Wondering if he knows something, or other he is fear mongering ahead of a ge...

It’s a bit odd isn’t it? And he keeps talking about Labour taking us back to “square one” whilst he is now talking about taking us back to 1949!

He has got nothing to fight with so is just clutching at straws. It will appeal to the Gammons but he has just handed even more of the young vote to Labour/LibDems/Greens. Many of our young men were taken abroad and shot at and many killed in the original NS (395 on active service apparently). Not really an incentive to vote for the Tories is it?

What will Reform do to try and top that? Bring back conscription? Press Gangs?

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[Gloucester Saint]

8 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

I think it’s a good idea and it isn’t as unpopular with the youth as you’d presume, especially in the current world climate. Also it’s hardly full national service as majority will pick the civic service / charity work if they’re that opposed. Baffling as to why it’s come out now though. 

There’s already the very successful Duke of Edinburgh awards though, and Cameron launched a National Citizen Service in the early 10s as part of the Big Society umbrella https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-cameron-national-citizen-service-b2337765.html and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Citizen_Service

I don’t dislike the idea in principle but the NCS had its budget slashed again in 2022 - and it’s had some serious coin spent on it - under Boris because it had become a holiday camp for middle class kids https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-cameron-national-citizen-service-b2006983.html

If they want to throw more money at it again, around double is what they are proposing which is a lot, then Sunak should explain how it’s going to get beyond being a post-Brexit alternative to a gap year and level up from the insidious internship culture existing in Whitehall for years. Otherwise 1) it looks like a gimmick for the very elderly thinking of switching to Reform and 2) a continuation of a pet project which has had a very patchy impact at best.

Fan the Flames - re-thinking and invigorating residential experiences with the armed forces is a good thing, I agree, for 16-21 year olds where that is appealing. 

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[Fan The Flames]

2 hours ago, pingpong said:

With the warning to get canned food in the cupboards, calling up all 18yr olds to national service, and the declaration that every aspect of british life will change over the next 5 years as we enter a dangerous era, is anyone asking why sunak seems to be putting us on a war footing? 

Wondering if he knows something, or other he is fear mongering ahead of a ge...

It's fear mongering, the Beebs photo of Corbyn in a Russian hat worked well for them last time and security has been seen as a weak point for Labour historically. They see this as a good battleground area for them.

Downden, Sunaks best political friend, obviously put out the prepping stuff for this reason.

Edited May 26 by Fan The Flames

[AlexLaw76]

20 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

It’s a bit odd isn’t it? And he keeps talking about Labour taking us back to “square one” whilst he is now talking about taking us back to 1949!

He has got nothing to fight with so is just clutching at straws. It will appeal to the Gammons but he has just handed even more of the young vote to Labour/LibDems/Greens. Many of our young men were taken abroad and shot at and many killed in the original NS (395 on active service apparently). Not really an incentive to vote for the Tories is it?

What will Reform do to try and top that? Bring back conscription?

What fecking gammon wrote this?

[badgerx16]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

What fecking gammon wrote this?

David Lammy, obviously chasing the gammon vote in Tottenham.

[sadoldgit]

6 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

What fecking gammon wrote this?

Delldays? 

[Lord Duckhunter]

With Nigel calling this national service idea a joke, & Lammy previously calling for it, it looks like Soggys claim that RS is trying to appeal to “gammons” is pure pony. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

On 26/05/2024 at 00:54, sadoldgit said:

Still making things up then. I have made it clear that I voted LidDem for years but stopped when Clegg handed power to Cameron, a move that had a disastrous effect on the UK both nationally and internationally. I have previously stated very clearly that I voted tactically in the last two elections in order to get the sitting Tory MP out. That meant voting for the Labour candidate. That said I had no problem if it meant Corbyn becoming PM. I would have preferred a more centralist Labour leader but still felt that Corbyn was a better option than anything the Tories had to offer. We will never know how a Corbyn lead Labour Party government would have fared but we know exactly what damage Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and now Sunak have done to this country. I wasn’t a Corbyn supporter. I was a supporter of getting the Tories out and he was the best bet at the time as the LibDems weren’t at the races and I would still have him as PM before anything the Tories have had to offer. As for the “meltdown” (you are such a drama queen) I think millions of people in this country felt absolutely gutted when the Tories won and have been proved to be right. Plenty of people had a “strop” because they new exactly where the country was heading.

I am not distancing myself from Corbyn but I do realise that in order for Starmer to win a workable majority he needs to win the votes of the people that Corbyn scares. He doesn’t scare me but he clearly scares people like you (who think that socialism is dangerous 😂). Corbyn is an electoral liability for those who make up Middle England. The bigger issue here is to remove the Tories from power and if that means that some people have to be sidelined, then so be it. As a turkey you might be happy to vote for Christmas. Hopefully most of the country’s voters will have a different view.

What is all this nonsense about “White Knight”? Egg and I have crossed swords many times in the past and will probably do so again in the future. He is grown up enough to understand that you can agree on some things and disagree on others. You on the other hand do not have that in your locker. Your very childish comment shows once again that you have zero self awareness. You are part of a small group of like minded people who constantly back each other up and never, ever, criticise each other. To call one person a “White Knight” for agreeing very occasionally with a poster who you spend a lot  your time slagging off reflects more on your own inability to function as rational adult on social media.

Another example, if it were needed, is the way you selectively criticise the likes of Dianne Abbott but turn a blind eye when someone whose politics you support makes bigger gaffs. Laura Trott has made herself look more inept and foolish than Abbott but not a word of criticism from you. No surprise there.

You voted for Johnson when it was very clear what a car wreck of a person he is. You have said you would vote for Badenoch now also displays some very unpleasant traits. Very strange for someone who once claimed on here to be “liberal” 😂.

As for “mental” don’t you think that Sunak’s plan to bring back National Service falls into that category? Perhaps capitalists can be dangerous too? 😂

By the way, I am using laughing emojis here as you enjoy them so much 😉.
 

 

Oh, and Kraken, sorry to see that you have fallen into the same trap as the other usual suspects on here but let me assure you that grown ups are entirely able to be pro Palestinian without being antisemites.

 

Fuck me, pay a £5 you tight git, then you won’t have to cram 4 posts into 1. 

[whelk]

On 26/05/2024 at 00:54, sadoldgit said:

Oh, and Kraken, sorry to see that you have fallen into the same trap as the other usual suspects on here

SOG’s united enemy group grows by the week. 

[The Kraken]

41 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fuck me, pay a £5 you tight git, then you won’t have to cram 4 posts into 1. 

Please, no.

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

SOG’s united enemy group grows by the week. 

Kraken took a dislike to me on Sotonians some time back so he is an old member of the antiSog society.

At least it keeps them off the streets 😉.

[The Kraken]

20 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Kraken took a dislike to me on Sotonians some time back so he is an old member of the antiSog society.

At least it keeps them off the streets 😉.

You’re still peddling that lie are you?

Absolutely full of it.

[Turkish]

20 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Kraken took a dislike to me on Sotonians some time back so he is an old member of the antiSog society.

At least it keeps them off the streets 😉.

The antisog society seems to be growing every day and spread across multiple forums. Even your supporters now seem to have realised you’re, at best, a bit of a tit. Ever wondered if the problem might not be everyone else?

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

You’re still peddling that lie are you?

Absolutely full of it.

Bit like the lie he peddled about me being banned from TUI for having multiple logins. He just makes stuff up and repeats it over and over again. Total bullshitter

[badgerx16]

Apparently the National Service idea is not a firm commitment. According to Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP, should they win the election they will institute a Royal Commission to determine whether it is a viable concept, whilst a small scale pilot is carried out.

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[The Kraken]

The Tory campaign is going ever so well 🤣

[Lord Duckhunter]

17 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Apparently the National Service idea is not a firm commitment. According to Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP, should they win the election they will institute a Royal Commission to determine whether it is a viable concept, whilst a small scale pilot is carried out.

I’ve just been round my old mans, he said he’s thinking of not voting Tory for the first time in his life because of this proposal. He did national service & it was the most horrendous experience he’s ever had. Said he’ll never vote for anyone that subjects young people to that again. I did try to explain that I doubt it’ll be Sargent majors bullying people & rats crawling over your bed whilst you slept. But it does go to show that the messaging is horrendous, and people don’t really understand the “gammons” like they think they do.

I don’t really understand the thinking, it’s a needless error. What’s the best they can hope for, a few people might not vote reform, or might vote that would have stayed at home. They’ll lose as many votes from the other end of the party just like my old man. I realise he’s just one individual & everyone has different experiences, but I was genuinely shocked at his reaction. 

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[Holmes_and_Watson]

[badgerx16]

 

29 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 

I don’t really understand the thinking, it’s a needless error. What’s the best they can hope for, a few people might not vote reform, or might vote that would have stayed at home. They’ll lose as many votes from the other end of the party just like my old man. I realise he’s just one individual & everyone has different experiences, but I was genuinely shocked at his reaction. 

James Cleverly on the Trevor Philips show all but admitted it is an attempt to take votes from Reform, and on Laura Kuenssberg said it would in part be funded out of 'levelling up' budgets, ( the rest would come from clamping down on tax avoidance ), and therefore it is part of investing in deprived communities.

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[badgerx16]

19 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

It's a bug hunt.

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Apparently the National Service idea is not a firm commitment. According to Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP, should they win the election they will institute a Royal Commission to determine whether it is a viable concept, whilst a small scale pilot is carried out.

They are ripping themselves apart on this ‘policy’ https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/tory-campaign-in-meltdown-as-minister-criticises-sunaks-flagship-national-service-plan_uk_6654b7a4e4b0f5ad55979a43/

Steve Baker seemingly also at loggerheads with CCHQ along with other ministers about his Greek holiday relating to a leaked email https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ni-minister-steve-baker-among-tory-mps-accused-of-lack-of-effort-by-conservative-hq-as-he-campaigns-from-greece/a540078450.html

[Turkish]

Maybe labour can start by sorting this bullshit out. The NHS is underfunded yet are paying £91k for this job. Why?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Maybe labour can start by sorting this bullshit out. The NHS is underfunded yet are paying £91k for this job. Why?

Not surprised these positions keep going. They've put a petition to keep it around, at the top right. 🙂

[Lighthouse]

9 hours ago, Turkish said:

Maybe labour can start by sorting this bullshit out. The NHS is underfunded yet are paying £91k for this job. Why?

It’s a very important role, we need to be errr… putting…. more black people in hospital, have I got that right?

[Whitey Grandad]

25 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It’s a very important role, we need to be errr… putting…. more black people in hospital, have I got that right?

They’re already there. Oh, you mean in the beds.

[badgerx16]

10 hours ago, Turkish said:

Maybe labour can start by sorting this bullshit out. The NHS is underfunded yet are paying £91k for this job. Why?

We have had well over a decade of Tory health ministers and other Cabinet members who haven't 'sorted it out', why not go after them ?

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[Turkish]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

We have had well over a decade of Tory health ministers and other Cabinet members who haven't 'sorted it out', why not go after them ?

Because they wont be in power for much longer so won’t be able to sort out this nonsense will they. It’s not hard to work out .

[whelk]

4 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

We have had well over a decade of Tory health ministers and other Cabinet members who haven't 'sorted it out', why not go after them ?

It’s going to be so boring now with same media jumping on these type stories safe now that their mates aren’t responsible and it is all the mad lefties

[badgerx16]

GMP say no further Police action regarding Angela Raynor.

 

EDIT;

Stockport MBC and HMRC also taking no further action.

What will the Fail and Express try to cook up next ?

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[The Kraken]

36 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

GMP say no further Police action regarding Angela Raynor.

What a complete and utter waste of police time.  Ridiculous.

[badgerx16]

32 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

What a complete and utter waste of police time.  Ridiculous.

Maybe they can investigate James Daley for wasting Police time.