The 2024 General Election - July 4th

[hypochondriac]

23 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

What about Kemi Badenoch, Suella Braverman, Liz Truss, or Jacob Rees-Mogg ?

Disregarding the fact that I like a lot of what Kemi has done, what relevance does your whataboutery have on my opinion of the next government ministers? 

[whelk]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Disregarding the fact that I like a lot of what Kemi has done, what relevance does your whataboutery have on my opinion of the next government ministers? 

Wes Streeting seems to be one of those politicians you crave. Looks like what you see is what you get and he has passion

[Sheaf Saint]

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, whelk said:

Wes Streeting seems to be one of those politicians you crave. Looks like what you see is what you get and he has passion

He's better than Phillips and Lammy which isn't saying much. At least it isn't Diane Abbott. 

[rallyboy]

Ah yes, the jovial old chap Boris - a corrupt conman who surrounded himself by incompetent sycophants, took the piss out of every single voter, lined his own pockets, destroyed our international reputation and turned the UK into a laughing stock.

Thankfully his lazy arrogant stupidity found him out and hopefully a change of government will open the door for the multiple criminal prosecutions that he and a dozen or so of his inept and greedy cabinet ministers should be facing.

To move forward we just need an end to this absolute rolling clusterfuck of successive administrations.

Bring on the 5th July - bin day.

 

 

 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Disregarding the fact that I like a lot of what Kemi has done, what relevance does your whataboutery have on my opinion of the next government ministers? 

Just wondering what your opinion of the current shower is, in comparison to those you named.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

Tbf Kemi is the only one in a senior position these days. Though also tbf she’s even more completely useless than the other three, just not quite yet as toxic.

I don’t agree about the toxicity. She is just as nasty and deluded as Braverman. The upside is that she is in with a shout of being LOTO when Sunak is sacked in July which will pull the Tory Party even further to the right and hopefully make them unelectable for years.

If there is a God, let us pray that many of these deeply unpleasant, incompetent, self serving Tory bastards lose their seats.

[hypochondriac]

20 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Just wondering what your opinion of the current shower is, in comparison to those you named.

They've been very disappointing but they have zero relevance now because they won't be in power. My interest is in what comes next. 

[AlexLaw76]

8 hours ago, rallyboy said:

Ah yes, the jovial old chap Boris - a corrupt conman who surrounded himself by incompetent sycophants, took the piss out of every single voter, lined his own pockets, destroyed our international reputation and turned the UK into a laughing stock.

Thankfully his lazy arrogant stupidity found him out and hopefully a change of government will open the door for the multiple criminal prosecutions that he and a dozen or so of his inept and greedy cabinet ministers should be facing.

To move forward we just need an end to this absolute rolling clusterfuck of successive administrations.

Bring on the 5th July - bin day.

 

 

 

Criminal prosecutions? 
you sound Russian

[Turkish]

9 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I don’t agree about the toxicity. She is just as nasty and deluded as Braverman. The upside is that she is in with a shout of being LOTO when Sunak is sacked in July which will pull the Tory Party even further to the right and hopefully make them unelectable for years.

If there is a God, let us pray that many of these deeply unpleasant, incompetent, self serving Tory bastards lose their seats.

If there is a god he wouldn’t listen to you as you’d think he was a far right, racist, narcissist. 

[buctootim]

July seems a weird choice from the Tories point of view. Surely November would have been better - lower inflation baked in, interest rate cuts, recovery from recession etc. Unless he just wants out and his new employers wont wait...   

Edited May 23 by buctootim

[whelk]

4 minutes ago, buctootim said:

July seems a weird choice from the Tories point of view. Surely November would have been better, lower inflation baked in, interest rate cuts, recovery from recession etc. Unless he just wants out and his new employers wont wait...   

it’s about Sunak getting his kids into Californian schools

[rallyboy]

and it means the Rwanda debacle due shortly won't be his fault and the next raft of mortgage holders won't have seen their new deals yet.

[buctootim]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

it’s about Sunak getting his kids into Californian schools

Wouldn't surprise me. Feels like most of Government policy since Cameron has been about self interest.  

[buctootim]

Just now, rallyboy said:

and it means the Rwanda debacle due shortly won't be his fault and the next raft of mortgage holders won't have seen their new deals yet.

True, whilst everybody already knows Rwanda is a debacle and mortgages are going to be painful actually watching the car crash might be worse. 

[whelk]

Kay Burley ‘what make’s Starmer a winner? Just look at his football team close but didn’t win’ 

Let’s look at Sunak’s football team then

[revolution saint]

Just booked off the 5th July from work.  Don't want to jump the gun but no way am I missing the possibility of watching people like Rees-Mogg and friends lose their seats.

[Dr. Kucho]

Having lived abroad since the age of 4 I have never been able to vote. Not in the UK because I haven’t lived there in the past 5 years and not in Holland because I don’t have Dutch citizenship. 

I have watched UK politics from abroad and deciding to vote for must be a right pain. To get the UK moving forward tough decisions have to be made and I doubt the Tories, Labour or Lib Dems have the courage to do that. The NHS is shocking, the infrastructure is poor and leaving the EU was the wrong decision (for Brits abroad and businesses doing business with mainland Europe). 

It sounds like a rant, but I want nothing less then the UK prospering for the people living there and so I can convince my partner that moving back to the UK is best for us (she’s still in doubt).

[pingpong]

4 hours ago, buctootim said:

July seems a weird choice from the Tories point of view. Surely November would have been better - lower inflation baked in, interest rate cuts, recovery from recession etc. Unless he just wants out and his new employers wont wait...   

He's just found out rwanda flights won't be anytime soon, and not by the ge deadline, and he is scared of how that impacts the reform vote.

So he is panicking and getting the election in whilst he can still pretend it would happen, and lose fewer reform votes.  It's a desperate last play by a dying government.

[The Kraken]

1 hour ago, revolution saint said:

Just booked off the 5th July from work.  Don't want to jump the gun but no way am I missing the possibility of watching people like Rees-Mogg and friends lose their seats.

I've had it planned in for ages.  A long list of twats who I'm hoping all end up looking dejected and out on their arses: Gullis, 30p Lee, Sue Ellen (unlikely), Mogg, Fabricunt, roll up roll up.

[Weston Super Saint]

9 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I've had it planned in for ages.  A long list of twats who I'm hoping all end up looking dejected and out on their arses: Gullis, 30p Lee, Sue Ellen (unlikely), Mogg, Fabricunt, roll up roll up.

I'm sure they'll get over their dejection once they figure out how much pension they will be getting.  Plus the four months severance pay for 'closing down their offices' (like that's going to take more than a couple of days for most of them!).

[The Kraken]

49 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I'm sure they'll get over their dejection once they figure out how much pension they will be getting.  Plus the four months severance pay for 'closing down their offices' (like that's going to take more than a couple of days for most of them!).

I'm sure they will, and I'm sure most/all of them have likely feathered their nests already so that they'll have a "job" to walk straight into.  Nonetheless, I'll still find it a trifle enjoyable for one evening.

[buctootim]

2 hours ago, Dr. Kucho said:

Having lived abroad since the age of 4 I have never been able to vote. Not in the UK because I haven’t lived there in the past 5 years and not in Holland because I don’t have Dutch citizenship. 

I have watched UK politics from abroad and deciding to vote for must be a right pain. To get the UK moving forward tough decisions have to be made and I doubt the Tories, Labour or Lib Dems have the courage to do that. The NHS is shocking, the infrastructure is poor and leaving the EU was the wrong decision (for Brits abroad and businesses doing business with mainland Europe). 

It sounds like a rant, but I want nothing less then the UK prospering for the people living there and so I can convince my partner that moving back to the UK is best for us (she’s still in doubt).

I like the Netherlands, it has a lot going for it . That said I had a Dutch gf who always preferred it here to home (Hoorn). Depends where you're trying to get her to move to I guess. I had a American work colleague from Monterey in California (very nice) who asked me if Hull was as nice as her English bf promised her....      

[Turkish]

7 hours ago, buctootim said:

July seems a weird choice from the Tories point of view. Surely November would have been better - lower inflation baked in, interest rate cuts, recovery from recession etc. Unless he just wants out and his new employers wont wait...   

 

[sadoldgit]

On 22/05/2024 at 22:32, badgerx16 said:

Just wondering what your opinion of the current shower is, in comparison to those you named.

You have to admire the sheer brass neck of a person who voted for Boris Johnson and supported the party who gave us Liz Truss, two of the most inept PMs in living memory (if not of all time) and then has the gall to have a dig at the likes of Diane Abbot. Completely tone deaf, but then he is the same person who claimed that socialism is dangerous.

We shall have to wait and see how the front bench of the new Government perform, but, person for person, they cannot be any worse than the Tory front benchers, even if Diane Abbott was still a front bencher.

 

Edited May 25 by sadoldgit

[hypochondriac]

43 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You have to admire the sheer brass neck of a person who voted for Boris Johnson and supported the party who gave us Liz Truss, two of the most inept PMs in living memory (if not of all time) and then has the gall to have a dig at the likes of Diane Abbot. Completely tone deaf, but then he is the same person who claimed that socialism is dangerous.

We shall have to wait and see how the front bench of the new Government perform, but, person for person, they cannot be any worse than the Tory front benchers, even if Diane Abbot was still a front bencher.

 

You've spent the latest five years talking about the Tories almost continuously. Are you going to keep it going for the next five years? The tories will be yesterday's news in a couple of months so of course the calibre of individual that labour put up is now of more interest than what the tories do. Wanging on about the tories for the next four years isn't going to do anything. 

Unlike some who just wanted decline for the UK if it meant the Conservatives doing badly, I actually want Starmer to succeed because I care about the country. That means getting more competent people in charge with a broader appeal like Andy Burnham or Rosie Duffield (despite some past mistakes) and less unntelligent race-baiters and student politics types like David Lammy. Let's hope Starmer recognises that. 

Edited May 23 by hypochondriac

[Fan The Flames]

Since the GE was called some Tory MPs have sent in no confidence letters to the 1922 Committee, they are addicted to this now.

Sunak talking to 'workers' at a factory in Derbyshire and it turns out the are all conservative councillors planted by the party.

Day one didn't go well for Sunak.

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Fan The Flames said:

Since the GE was called some Tory MPs have sent in no confidence letters to the 1922 Committee, they are addicted to this now.

Sunak talking to 'workers' at a factory in Derbyshire and it turns out the are all conservative councillors planted by the party.

Day one didn't go well for Sunak.

No ‘do you know what it’s like to clean up your own mother’s piss?’ moment then?

[Farmer Saint]

3 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

Since the GE was called some Tory MPs have sent in no confidence letters to the 1922 Committee, they are addicted to this now.

Sunak talking to 'workers' at a factory in Derbyshire and it turns out the are all conservative councillors planted by the party.

Day one didn't go well for Sunak.

Do they not understand you can't get away with that shit anymore? I wish he'd come down and speak to me - help me muck out my loss-making cows. Fucking cunt. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

18 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

You have to admire the sheer brass neck of a person who voted for Boris Johnson

Says the bloke who voted for Jeremy Corbyn & who wanted Abbott as Home Sec. Both subsequently checked out the party for anti semitic reasons. 😂 You’ve got more front than Sainsburys. 

[Dr. Kucho]

On 23/05/2024 at 15:23, buctootim said:

I like the Netherlands, it has a lot going for it . That said I had a Dutch gf who always preferred it here to home (Hoorn). Depends where you're trying to get her to move to I guess. I had an American work colleague from Monterey in California (very nice) who asked me if Hull was as nice as her English bf promised her....      

The Netherlands has, like the UK, lots of good things, but sadly also some things that aren’t going to well. 

The infrastructure is top notch, public transport is expensive but usually running and the healthcare is expensive but most treatments can be done with short waiting times. 

The biggest problem we have here is housing. Research shows that we have shortage of 100.000 homes. Under 300.000 euro it’s nearly impossible to find a house, with the west being more expensive than the east. We live 20 minutes from the German border and lots of Dutch people are moving over the border as Germany has cheaper homes. The problem there is that the Germans only mortgage a maximum of 70% of the house price. Meaning you have to cough up 30% yourself. 

I would like to move back to the Southampton region, where I am from. In an ideal world I would move to the New Forest, but the prices there are likely above my budget. 

Would love to move back, but the main thing stopping us is work. I have a decent income and it would be hard to get a similar amount in the UK, where I would have to start all over again and hope it works out. 

[sadoldgit]

8 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Says the bloke who voted for Jeremy Corbyn & who wanted Abbott as Home Sec. Both subsequently checked out the party for anti semitic reasons. 😂 You’ve got more front than Sainsburys. 

I voted Labour before before because that was the best chance of unseating the local Tory MP. As it happens I don’t think that Corbyn or Abbot could have done a worse job than the jokers you voted for. As for your comment about antisemitism, it would seem that the UN are also antisemtic. It seems that antisemites don’t endorse the mass killing of women and children. You do. The people you vote for were and are useless yet all you can do is play the antisemite card. Like Sunak and the Tory Party, you have run out of road 😂😂😂

[hypochondriac]

10 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I voted Labour before before because that was the best chance of unseating the local Tory MP. As it happens I don’t think that Corbyn or Abbot could have done a worse job than the jokers you voted for. As for your comment about antisemitism, it would seem that the UN are also antisemtic. It seems that antisemites don’t endorse the mass killing of women and children. You do. The people you vote for were and are useless yet all you can do is play the antisemite card. Like Sunak and the Tory Party, you have run out of road 😂😂😂

That's a lot of rewriting of history! You had an absolute meltdown on here when Corbyn didn't win the election. You're trying to distance yourself from it now, but you had a complete strop because you were a Corbyn supporter. 

[badgerx16]

Sunak in Wales asked if the workers he was visiting were looking forward to the Euros..........

[The Kraken]

35 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

That's a lot of rewriting of history! You had an absolute meltdown on here when Corbyn didn't win the election. You're trying to distance yourself from it now, but you had a complete strop because you were a Corbyn supporter. 

Never realised he was such a Corbyn fan but makes sense of his continual defence of antisemitism especially from the likes of Corbyn and Abbott.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Never realised he was such a Corbyn fan but makes sense of his continual defence of antisemitism especially from the likes of Corbyn and Abbott.

He's leapt to Corbyn's defence a few times and he really doesn't like any criticism of Abbott, just bangs on about crap Tories like that's some sort of shield. 

[egg]

Hopefully we ain't gonna have 6 weeks of people with shady morals focusing on people not the subject. 

On topic, ish, at the end of the if you're a Left leaning person, you'll have voted Labour irrespective of Corbyn being at the helm. No lefty was ever gonna vote for a tory led by Boris.

Fucking stupid line of attack. 

[The Kraken]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

Hopefully we ain't gonna have 6 weeks of people with shady morals focusing on people not the subject. 

On topic, ish, at the end of the if you're a Left leaning person, you'll have voted Labour irrespective of Corbyn being at the helm. No lefty was ever gonna vote for a tory led by Boris.

Fucking stupid line of attack. 

Clearly not true though is it. I know a few people who voted Labour pretty much all their lives but either they didnt vote at all because of Corbynor they. Opted for the Greens.

[hypochondriac]

22 minutes ago, egg said:

Hopefully we ain't gonna have 6 weeks of people with shady morals focusing on people not the subject. 

On topic, ish, at the end of the if you're a Left leaning person, you'll have voted Labour irrespective of Corbyn being at the helm. No lefty was ever gonna vote for a tory led by Boris.

Fucking stupid line of attack. 

Here is Mr white knight again putting his body on the line for soggy because he agrees with him over Palestine. You realise that the last five years have been never ending amounts of focusing on people. 

In reality, politics is a combination of policies and also the individuals carrying out those policies and their competence. Now that Labour will get in power, the competence of their MPs will quite rightly come under the microscope. 

There's also a giant difference between holding your nose and voting for Corbyn as many did and being a loud and proud supporter who then has a tantrum because the people rightly rejected his as a crank playing student politics. So it's not stupid at all. 

[hypochondriac]

18 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Clearly not true though is it. I know a few people who voted Labour pretty much all their lives but either they didnt vote at all because of Corbynor they. Opted for the Greens.

I genuinely have no issue with people who were quite uneasy about it but voted for him anyway, even if I don't agree with them. That's not what happened in soggy's case though. I can't be bothered to go back and find them but there's plenty of posts from around that time that would highlight it. Genuine supporters of Corbyn are mental. 

[badgerx16]

Teresa May ended her last speech in the Commons by saying that there are too many people standing for Parliament now who are only thinking "'What's in it for me. ?".

[whelk]

16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Teresa May ended her last speech in the Commons by saying that there are too many people standing for Parliament now who are only thinking "'What's in it for me. ?".

One for SOG, but agree with James O’Brien on many points.

 

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Sunak in Wales asked if the workers he was visiting were looking forward to the Euros..........

Fair play to him! An opportunity to wind the Welsh up should never be overlooked!

[aintforever]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Genuine supporters of Corbyn are mental. 

Or just have a different opinion to you.

[egg]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Fair play to him! An opportunity to wind the Welsh up should never be overlooked!

Indeed. It should always be taken. 

[egg]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Here is Mr white knight again putting his body on the line for soggy because he agrees with him over Palestine. You realise that the last five years have been never ending amounts of focusing on people. 

In reality, politics is a combination of policies and also the individuals carrying out those policies and their competence. Now that Labour will get in power, the competence of their MPs will quite rightly come under the microscope. 

There's also a giant difference between holding your nose and voting for Corbyn as many did and being a loud and proud supporter who then has a tantrum because the people rightly rejected his as a crank playing student politics. So it's not stupid at all. 

Ha! I just fundamentally disagree with your attitudes and outlook, backed by your belief that your attitudes and outlook is the right one. 

You're having a pop at someone cos they voted Labour, and you see that is wrong because your daft belief is that doing so makes someone "mental". That from a bloke who supports what Israel are doing and who fell for Boris's charms. 

Your belief that you're on some high flying moral cloud is laughable. 

[egg]

2 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Clearly not true though is it. I know a few people who voted Labour pretty much all their lives but either they didnt vote at all because of Corbynor they. Opted for the Greens.

I get that, but in a GE, is a protest vote anything other than a waste. I'd never have voted for Corbyn, but if a Labour voted casted a vote for Labour despite Corbyn being at the helm rather than vote for for one of the other big 2, I have no issue with that. What I object to is people who voted this lot in having the gall to criticise anyone who voted Labour at the last GE, and believing that they're somehow morally superior. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, egg said:

What I object to is people who voted this lot in having the gall to criticise anyone who voted Labour at the last GE, and believing that they're somehow morally superior. 

The first post attacking anyone was critical of somebody who voted for Boris, although you conveniently over looked that one. That’s what makes your “morally superior” act so ridiculous, its selective outrage. 
 

 

Edited May 25 by Lord Duckhunter

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The first post attacking anyone was critical of somebody who voted for Boris, although you conveniently over looked that one. That’s what makes your “morally superior” act so ridiculous, its selective outrage. 
 

 

That's a selective interpretation. Regardless, anyone who voted this lot in cannot criticise anyone else's voting choice. 

 

 

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, aintforever said:

Or just have a different opinion to you.

Yeah in the same way that supporters of chairman Mao have a different opinion to me.