badgerx16 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) 1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Anderson didn’t defect to another party, he was an independent. He was elected as a Tory. If he had stood as an independent he almost certainly would not be an MP. Edited March 11 by badgerx16 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, badgerx16 said: He was elected as a Tory. They threw him out. You can’t have people chucked out of parties having to stand in a by-election, it’ll give more power to the whips and pressure on MP’s to tow the party line. I thought people didn’t want more and more lobby fodder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: They threw him out. You can’t have people chucked out of parties having to stand in a by-election, it’ll give more power to the whips and pressure on MP’s to tow the party line. I thought people didn’t want more and more lobby fodder. But the electors of his constituency decided that they wanted a Tory, based on their manifesto. If he wants to be a Reform MP he should have to ask them if they still want him as MP, based on that Party's beliefs and ideals. After all, we do have Recall Petitions. Edited March 11 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Straight out of the Nicola Sturgeon guidebook.... That turned out well... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) 7 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Dear god, If brains were taxed, you’d be owed a rebate. 4 hours ago, Tamesaint said: Dear God. If people who wrote bollocks were taxed Duckie would be bankrupt. Not quite there yet mate, but don’t give up. #poundshopDuckie Edited March 11 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 36 minutes ago, trousers said: Straight out of the Nicola Sturgeon guidebook.... That turned out well... Just what went through my mind, when I read it. A concerted effort to centralise power. In Sturgeon's case, that was a gradual process, with a lot of those involved stilly giddy at the thought of a shared cause. Many still don't see how badly that was hijacked by a core of a few controlling finances, trying to rig elections, and making catestrophic decisions. Eventually, as Labour will discover, you end up isolating your core support, stifle useful debate and concentrate power in the hands of an inner group, who simply aren't up to the job. They might be able to purge those with dissenting views. But, as Sturgeon found, there's plenty within her own party waiting for it to fall apart, as they've not been included in the decision making. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: So Starmer wants to end traditional Cabinet government by, erm, still needing Cabinet approval for stuff. Wow. What a monster he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Anderson didn’t defect to another party, he was an independent. Ha ha, hilarious. Fact of the matter is even you think there should be a by-election. You even think it's principled. Problem with you is that every time SOG comes out with something you immediately go the opposite way. It was exactly the same with Brexit - remember labelling Julian Lewis a remainer? Busted flush mate. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, The Kraken said: So Starmer wants to end traditional Cabinet government by, erm, still needing Cabinet approval for stuff. Wow. What a monster he is. It's from a report commissioned by the Institute for Government that recommends reforming the way the Cabinet works as it is too big and unwieldy, and also suggests reforms to the Cabinet Office and the Civil Service. It's not as if the current Cabinet is much more than a collection of the PM's yes-men. https://www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/ifg-commission-recommends-new-department-for-the-civil-service 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 14 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said: Best comment I've seen today... "Lee Anderson's defection to Reform UK has had the unusual effect of increasing the average IQ of both parties". Christopher Hope of GB News - large pinch of salt naturally - saying this morning that up to nine Tory MPs in advanced talks with Reform. Fair to say that they won’t all be independents first… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 For the poster who accused me of racism for criticising Kemi Badenoch for her political views and conduct, he might like to compare what I have said to what a major Tory donor has said about Diane Abbott. Now that, hypochondriac, is what is clearly a racist comment. See the difference? https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/11/biggest-tory-donor-looking-diane-abbott-hate-all-black-women 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Brilliant. Now we're going down the road of asking direct questions to people who are apparently on ignore. Absolutely off his rocker and full of shit. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 (edited) 6 hours ago, The Kraken said: Brilliant. Now we're going down the road of asking direct questions to people who are apparently on ignore. Absolutely off his rocker and full of shit. I’m not sure what this has to do with you but I will respond anyway. As I have said many times, it is possible to have posters on ignore and still chose to read their posts occasionally. The posts appear when posted and you have a choice whether to open them or not.You also can’t avoid them if another poster quotes them as they appear in their own post. I hope that this helps clarify the situation for you? I’m sorry that you feel more compelled to have a dig at a poster rather than comment on the contents of my post. Are you ok with a major Tory donor making a blatant racist comment and suggesting that an MP should be shot? That seems to me to be a bigger issue. Perhaps you agree with him? More importantly though, still no comment about the Hester situation from the Minister for Women and Equalities, a certain Ms Kemi Badenoch. Update: she has finally made a statement. She was doing so well until the part about forgiveness where there is contrition. There was only contrition because he was called out but hey, they will get to keep his £10m so all’s well 🙄 Edited March 12 by sadoldgit Added text 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Typical Soggy. You have people on ignore, unless you want to read what they’ve written. 😂😂. Rather defeats the point of an ignore function. We all know you read every post, why pretend otherwise. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 hours ago, sadoldgit said: I’m not sure what this has to do with you but I will respond anyway. As I have said many times, it is possible to have posters on ignore and still chose to read their posts occasionally. Yes, we all know it's possible. Fucking weird though! Oh, I want to ignore your posts, until you post something, then I want to read them. Weirdo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 hours ago, sadoldgit said: Are you ok with a major Tory donor making a blatant racist comment and suggesting that an MP should be shot? That seems to me to be a bigger issue. Perhaps you agree with him? More made up rubbish. Funnily enough it’s quite possible to think you’re a spanner while also hoping the Tories (and their hideous donors) get fired into the sun at the earliest possible opportunity. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 30 minutes ago, The Kraken said: More made up rubbish. Funnily enough it’s quite possible to think you’re a spanner while also hoping the Tories (and their hideous donors) get fired into the sun at the earliest possible opportunity. He cannot process that people who disagree with him aren’t far right racist Tory supporters. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 9 hours ago, sadoldgit said: For the poster who accused me of racism for criticising Kemi Badenoch for her political views and conduct, he might like to compare what I have said to what a major Tory donor has said about Diane Abbott. Now that, hypochondriac, is what is clearly a racist comment. See the difference? https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/11/biggest-tory-donor-looking-diane-abbott-hate-all-black-women Pointing the fingers at others doesn't make your own comments about black women any better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 53 minutes ago, whelk said: He cannot process that people who disagree with him aren’t far right racist Tory supporters. I think the vast majority of tories are twats. Most politicians are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) Oh and regarding Diane - I don't think the solution to any odious racist is to threaten to shoot them. They should instead be shown up for the small minded simpletons they are. It doesn't matter how objectionable their views or how rancid their rhetoric, violence is not the answer. Edited March 12 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: Oh and regarding Diane - I don't think the solution to any odious racist is to threaten to shoot them. They should instead be shown up for the small minded simpletons they are. It doesn't matter how objectionable their views or how rancid their rhetoric, violence is not the answer. Well quite, and threatening violence is absolutely unforgivable. (Unless you donate 10m to the tories, and then it's forgivable). Also, it was a private meeting, her skin colour (or gender) has no relation to why he finds it difficult not to hate all black women, and also 10m. Did I mention the 10m? Not relevant of course. We should forgive the 10m guy. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 5 hours ago, sadoldgit said: I’m not sure what this has to do with you but I will respond anyway. As I have said many times, it is possible to have posters on ignore and still chose to read their posts occasionally. The posts appear when posted and you have a choice whether to open them or not.You also can’t avoid them if another poster quotes them as they appear in their own post. I hope that this helps clarify the situation for you? I’m sorry that you feel more compelled to have a dig at a poster rather than comment on the contents of my post. Are you ok with a major Tory donor making a blatant racist comment and suggesting that an MP should be shot? That seems to me to be a bigger issue. Perhaps you agree with him? More importantly though, still no comment about the Hester situation from the Minister for Women and Equalities, a certain Ms Kemi Badenoch. Update: she has finally made a statement. She was doing so well until the part about forgiveness where there is contrition. There was only contrition because he was called out but hey, they will get to keep his £10m so all’s well 🙄 Don’t you have to take them off ignore to reply to them though? You know like how you replied to me on Sunday night despite claiming to have me on ignore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 39 minutes ago, pingpong said: Also, it was a private meeting, her skin colour (or gender) has no relation to why he finds it difficult not to hate all black women, I don’t know. I find it difficult not to hate all Sad old gits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 10 hours ago, pingpong said: Well quite, and threatening violence is absolutely unforgivable. (Unless you donate 10m to the tories, and then it's forgivable). Also, it was a private meeting, her skin colour (or gender) has no relation to why he finds it difficult not to hate all black women, and also 10m. Did I mention the 10m? Not relevant of course. We should forgive the 10m guy. I like the idea that for the majority of crimes, it's possible to be redeemed by showing contrition and with a genuine apology. I don't know about this case because I haven't looked into it enough but the concept of being dammed forever because of mistakes you have made is a very leftist social media thing that I'm personally not a fan of. Diane is of course a racist herself which doesn't excuse this blokes actions of course but worth highlighting that we've also never had any apologies for many of her comments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 As we can't legally deport failed asylum seekers to Rwanda, the Government now wants to offer them up to £3000 to go voluntarily. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 11 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I don’t know. I find it difficult not to hate all Sad old gits. Confession of self loathing ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 11 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: I don’t know. I find it difficult not to hate all Sad old gits. You find it difficult not to hate most people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, badgerx16 said: As we can't legally deport failed asylum seekers to Rwanda, the Government now wants to offer them up to £3000 to go voluntarily. That free money stick will stop the boats for sure. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: I like the idea that for the majority of crimes, it's possible to be redeemed by showing contrition and with a genuine apology. I don't know about this case because I haven't looked into it enough but the concept of being dammed forever because of mistakes you have made is a very leftist social media thing that I'm personally not a fan of. Diane is of course a racist herself which doesn't excuse this blokes actions of course but worth highlighting that we've also never had any apologies for many of her comments. Waffle, there is a wide space between redemption and dammed forerver. Well done taking another opportunity to damn DA, I assume you will be doing this in perpetuity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: Waffle, there is a wide space between redemption and dammed forerver. Well done taking another opportunity to damn DA, I assume you will be doing this in perpetuity. If she showed contrition and gave a genuine apology I think it would be much easier to move on. I was replying to pingpong by the way who said it was "unforgivable." Edited March 13 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, badgerx16 said: As we can't legally deport failed asylum seekers to Rwanda, the Government now wants to offer them up to £3000 to go voluntarily. Ridiculous policy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) Hester’s comments are clearly racist, especially the follow-up ones even taking the Diane Abbot ones out of the equation. Hopefully he’s learned from it and I doubt if the party will getting further donations on that scale. Their communications are shambles on this and it reflects a lack of leadership direction and values https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68552407 Some justice really as they went big on the whole culture war crap copying Bannon and Trump like 14 year old kids peering over another’s shoulder to see their homework answers. The result is a 🪃 effect smacking them in their own mouth, and that’s without Donelan’s stupidity we are paying the tab for. The other parties shouldn’t worry if they have a bad day, the Tories are like Saints last season. They might score one but they ship three, four or even five soft ones in quick succession, some own goals. Rather like the four Spurs goals in 5 minutes at WHL v Saints on Sky under Branfoot. Edited March 13 by Gloucester Saint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 They are a complete mess under Sunak, it's just gaff after gaff. Last week it was them making a big song and dance about extremists hijacking our democracy, now it turns out extremists are funding their party. You couldn't make it up. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 4 hours ago, aintforever said: They are a complete mess under Sunak, it's just gaff after gaff. Last week it was them making a big song and dance about extremists hijacking our democracy, now it turns out extremists are funding their party. You couldn't make it up. It seems that extremists are funding a few of our political parties. Absolutely vile comments. Let's hope that Starmer takes appropriate action and returns the donated money. Like you say, you couldn't make it up. Edited March 13 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Guido Fawkes is definitely demanding that the Tory Donor return the money right? He's definitely doing that and not just his usual false equivalence shit stirring, right? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Guido Fawkes should be shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 11 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: Guido Fawkes should be shot. Racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, badgerx16 said: Racist I'm a Rightist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Fan The Flames said: Guido Fawkes should be shot. Hung, drawn and quartered i say. Oh sorry he was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 4 hours ago, CB Fry said: Guido Fawkes is definitely demanding that the Tory Donor return the money right? He's definitely doing that and not just his usual false equivalence shit stirring, right? I presume he's highlighting the hypocrisy of the labour party demanding that donator money is returned when they say something objectionable and wrong whilst their own party has donors who make similarly objectionable comments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 4 hours ago, hypochondriac said: I presume he's highlighting the hypocrisy of the labour party demanding that donator money is returned when they say something objectionable and wrong whilst their own party has donors who make similarly objectionable comments. "Similarly objectionable. " Sorry. I seem to have missed a Labour supporter saying that a Tory MP should be shot. When was this said?? Edited March 14 by Tamesaint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 19 hours ago, hypochondriac said: If she showed contrition and gave a genuine apology I think it would be much easier to move on. I was replying to pingpong by the way who said it was "unforgivable." She has, but you won't move on because you hate her politics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 7 hours ago, hypochondriac said: I presume he's highlighting the hypocrisy of the labour party demanding that donator money is returned when they say something objectionable and wrong whilst their own party has donors who make similarly objectionable comments. Yeah, it isn't. Desperate dredging up of false equivalence to suit Guido's entire premise which is "they're all the same so just vote for the right wing option". Even in the tiny clip fact Guido has put up you can see Dale Vince being challenged on his stupid assertion, and how it does not align at all with the Labour position, which he concedes. It's a broadcast interview that has already been public domain, and he was held to acount in the moment when he said it. It's not some fucking bombshell revelation. Leftier than thou shite about one-mans-terrorist-is-another-mans-etc is pretty dumb but absolutely not about hating all black women and wanting one particular one shot. Guido-ettes absolutely falling over themselves to excuse one - just a joke he's apologised for, hes regretful etc etc - then getting into a pearl clutching tizz once they find a previously broadcast clip of a labour person saying something else entirely. They'll have plenty of clips of Tory's drooling over, say, Russia which would be equivalent to Dale Vince's rubbish. It's not Labour who are the hypocrites here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tamesaint said: "Similarly objectionable. " Sorry. I seem to have missed a Labour supporter saying that a Tory MP should be shot. When was this said?? Calling a proscribed terrorist group who include rapists and child murderers freedom fighters is appaling. Quite telling if you don't consider it objectionable. Edited March 14 by hypochondriac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Fan The Flames said: She has, but you won't move on because you hate her politics. Interesting. "white people like to play divide and rule", "west Indian mothers will go to the wall for their children", "blonde blue-eyed Finnish girls should not work in Hackney". Think I missed the apologies for these. Do you have a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, CB Fry said: Yeah, it isn't. Desperate dredging up of false equivalence to suit Guido's entire premise which is "they're all the same so just vote for the right wing option". Even in the tiny clip fact Guido has put up you can see Dale Vince being challenged on his stupid assertion, and how it does not align at all with the Labour position, which he concedes. It's a broadcast interview that has already been public domain, and he was held to acount in the moment when he said it. It's not some fucking bombshell revelation. Leftier than thou shite about one-mans-terrorist-is-another-mans-etc is pretty dumb but absolutely not about hating all black women and wanting one particular one shot. Guido-ettes absolutely falling over themselves to excuse one - just a joke he's apologised for, hes regretful etc etc - then getting into a pearl clutching tizz once they find a previously broadcast clip of a labour person saying something else entirely. They'll have plenty of clips of Tory's drooling over, say, Russia which would be equivalent to Dale Vince's rubbish. It's not Labour who are the hypocrites here. I don't think anyone should vote Conservative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 46 times Diane stood up to catch the Speaker's attention but in the end they simply ran out of time. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-68558133 Quote Veteran MP Diane Abbott stood up to catch the Speaker's eye 46 times during a PMQs dominated by a debate about racist comments. I guess they felt the debate about racist comments didn't really need her racist comments to be added to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 21 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I don't think anyone should vote Conservative. Fine. All I am saying is Guido are full of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 A racist donor paying a political party to get big contracts in return isn't a great look, defending that is a worse look - but these are just distractions from the reality. The country is broken, we need a new approach, and not in a Truss way. Rishi doesn't appear to have a plan, so he needs to go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 2 hours ago, CB Fry said: .....,"they're all the same so just vote for the right wing option". The Tory election mantra seems to be "Things are still broken, but look at the forecasts: in 5 year's time it will look like it is starting to get better, so re-elect us. Pretty please. Oh, and while we are at it, here in our left hand is a "tax cut". Not a sweetener, nor a bribe, no Sir. Just keep looking at our left hand. Don't look at the right hand, just the left hand. Nothing to see in our right hand. That effective tax rise from frozen thresholds isn't there. Honest." Edited March 14 by badgerx16 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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