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egg

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6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

There is nothing depressing about keeping the far right out of power, unless you think that fascism is all fine and dandy.

Taking an objective view, is communism fine and dandy?

Regardless, the french far right isn't fascist, and the far left not communist...a sense of perspective/reality is needed in the discussion. 

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badgerx16

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10 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I guess we will find out just how dangerous socialism is won’t we hypo.

As for solving issues like migration, remind us again about the Tory record over the last 14 years please.

The new UK Government is Blairite rather than socialist. As for France, politically there has always been a tendency for voters to favour the hard left and right.

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egg

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5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The new UK Government is Blairite rather than socialist. As for France, politically there has always been a tendency for voters to favour the hard left and right.

Yep. Our choices were a mixture of centre ISH parties, the greens as a soft left, or reform floating about somewhere on the right. The french haf left, middle or right. 

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

There is nothing depressing about keeping the far right out of power, unless you think that fascism is all fine and dandy.

You miss the point again. 

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Lighthouse

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

There is nothing depressing about keeping the far right out of power, unless you think that fascism is all fine and dandy.

It's like needing to vote Boris five years ago to keep Corbyn out of power. Hardly a ringing endorsement for the options available.

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sadoldgit

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49 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

It's like needing to vote Boris five years ago to keep Corbyn out of power. Hardly a ringing endorsement for the options available.

I thought it was more about “Getting Brexit Done?”

sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

The new UK Government is Blairite rather than socialist. As for France, politically there has always been a tendency for voters to favour the hard left and right.

It all depends on your definition of Socialism.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I guess we will find out just how dangerous socialism is won’t we hypo.

As for solving issues like migration, remind us again about the Tory record over the last 14 years please.

Jesus christ is your response to every comment about Labour going to be talking about the bloody tories? Are you going to keep this up for the next five years? It's only been a few days and it's already interminable. 

To answer your question the tories record on immigration is absolutely appaling. It's why they were rightly kicked out for doing a terrible job. 

Fan The Flames

Fan The Flames

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3 hours ago, Challenger said:

That's the drawback of having to vote against something without any viable options left to vote for.

Macron unified the centre with his party, the issue then is where do the votes go when the inevitable time comes when people want change. They go to the harder right and harder left, because there is no where else to go.

We swing from centre right to centre left.

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Fan The Flames

Fan The Flames

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34 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

So we have a minister for women who doesn't know what a woman is. Not the best start for that role... 

Completely wrong. She's been criticised by Pink News for not going far enough on trans rights and has been criticised for meeting with trans exclusionary LGB groups. Don't believe everything you read in Spiked. And don't try to draw me on a definition of a women, I've been down that tedious hobby horse road with you before.

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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8 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Completely wrong. She's been criticised by Pink News for not going far enough on trans rights and has been criticised for meeting with trans exclusionary LGB groups. Don't believe everything you read in Spiked. And don't try to draw me on a definition of a women, I've been down that tedious hobby horse road with you before.

Spiked?

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Gloucester Saint

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Delighted to have a new Lib Dem MP to go with the Lib Dem council, which has been a massive improvement on the previous fractured Tory one. Some of the Conservatives have been comforting themselves that not all of the Labour wins were huge in each seat but that misses out the big majorities the Lib Dems, Reform and Greens have stacked up against them in seats where they often had 10-25k majorities. 

New cabinet looks decent and you can sense a drive to get things motoring which had gone totally out of the Tories after Boris’s implosion and then Truss, they were pissed at the wheel. Some bumpy times ahead but NHS waiting lists has to be priority one, securing more inward investment and improving the deal with the EU, which the French result will probably help with.

The border command centre will be difficult to set up but it’s essential to get illegal migration down combined with sensible adjustments to re-categorise aspects of legal migration eg health professionals and overseas students, and dependents for postgraduate study. They should never have been in the figures in the first place, that was Braverman trying to undercut Farage and jockey in the leadership race. Telegraph reporting that her acceptance speech was found to be as sickly self-serving amongst their MPs as I also found it which has left her trailing. Illegal migration, as opposed to the focus May started on net migration, needs to be the focus. With climate change, plus the conflicts that will create for resources, it’s a ticking time bomb. It’s an opportunity to switch the discourse onto that.

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buctootim

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27 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Delighted to have a new Lib Dem MP to go with the Lib Dem council, which has been a massive improvement on the previous fractured Tory one. Some of the Conservatives have been comforting themselves that not all of the Labour wins were huge in each seat but that misses out the big majorities the Lib Dems, Reform and Greens have stacked up against them in seats where they often had 10-25k majorities. 

New cabinet looks decent and you can sense a drive to get things motoring which had gone totally out of the Tories after Boris’s implosion and then Truss, they were pissed at the wheel. Some bumpy times ahead but NHS waiting lists has to be priority one, securing more inward investment and improving the deal with the EU, which the French result will probably help with.

The border command centre will be difficult to set up but it’s essential to get illegal migration down combined with sensible adjustments to re-categorise aspects of legal migration eg health professionals and overseas students, and dependents for postgraduate study. They should never have been in the figures in the first place, that was Braverman trying to undercut Farage and jockey in the leadership race. Telegraph reporting that her acceptance speech was found to be as sickly self-serving amongst their MPs as I also found it which has left her trailing. Illegal migration, as opposed to the focus May started on net migration, needs to be the focus. With climate change, plus the conflicts that will create for resources, it’s a ticking time bomb. It’s an opportunity to switch the discourse onto that.

Looks to me like they are going for Housing, EU relationship and security (Ukraine and borders) - which is smart because you can fix those without spending huge amounts of money.

Problem with the NHS and things like poverty is that even if you twiddle with NHS structure its still going to need huge dollops of more cash because the fundamentals are people are living longer but with chronic diseases.  

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farawaysaint

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3 hours ago, egg said:

Taking an objective view, is communism fine and dandy?

Regardless, the french far right isn't fascist, and the far left not communist...a sense of perspective/reality is needed in the discussion. 

True but the current French voting alliance does include the Communists and the socialists so that's a rather thin distinction.

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buctootim

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Daily Mail thinks economic migration is great and EU countries are better run nicer places to live.....

 

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farawaysaint

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1 minute ago, buctootim said:

Daily Mail thinks economic migration is great....

 

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Ok, the hypocrisy here is quite incredible not least recommending France. 

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buctootim

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2 minutes ago, farawaysaint said:

Ok, the hypocrisy here is quite incredible. 

Particularly the immediacy, three days after an election. They don't even have the fig leaf of pretending its because Labour have been terrible. What this story effectively says is look how comprehensively the Tories have trashed the UK. 

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sadoldgit

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13 minutes ago, farawaysaint said:

Ok, the hypocrisy here is quite incredible not least recommending France. 

I was reading elsewhere about how, when Brits move abroad, they are not immigrants but Ex-Pats.

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sadoldgit

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16 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Daily Mail thinks economic migration is great and EU countries are better run nicer places to live.....

 

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Perhaps they will now start to campaign for another EU referendum? 🤔

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Farmer Saint

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5 hours ago, buctootim said:

Daily Mail thinks economic migration is great and EU countries are better run nicer places to live.....

 

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I would love it if everyone who read the Daily Mail fucked off from the country. 

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trousers

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Appreciate there's always going to be an element of "new leader bounce" but I'm impressed with Starmer's first few days in office so far 👍

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The Kraken

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7 minutes ago, trousers said:

Appreciate there's always going to be an element of "new leader bounce" but I'm impressed with Starmer's first few days in office so far 👍

The extent of Tory lies and slogan parroting will never truly be exposed in full. But the whole concept of tetchy Rishi’s soundbite of “Labour have no plan” which was echoed by a multitude of minions has certainly been identified as a hopeless lie. Fair enough to disagree with the plan itself, but the reality has shown that Labour have been planning how they’re going to address their manifesto pledges for months by actively engaging with the civil service and other related parties well in advance of the election.

I like Starmer. I don’t find him inspirational but I do think he’s an extremely capable man with a high work ethic and some exacting demands. I also expect him to be much more transparent than many that have been before him, and not just revert to bullshit and bluster as we’ve become used to.

Long way to go yet, but for the first time in ages I don’t feel like we’re being mugged off by those at the top. I don’t expect radical changes in the short term and I think Labour will likely end up making some unpopular choices. But yep, decent start.

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Sheaf Saint

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21 minutes ago, trousers said:

Appreciate there's always going to be an element of "new leader bounce" but I'm impressed with Starmer's first few days in office so far 👍

I joined in an all employee Q&A session with our new Secretary of State today. Nothing groundbreaking and plenty of tempering of expectations, but a solid performance and a repeat of the promise from Starmer that policy will be driven by data and evidence rather than dogma.

His first full day on the job, and already we've had more engagement from him than we ever did from any of his 3 predecessors. Promising signs indeed.

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sadoldgit

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11 hours ago, egg said:

Taking an objective view, is communism fine and dandy?

Regardless, the french far right isn't fascist, and the far left not communist...a sense of perspective/reality is needed in the discussion. 

Marine Le Pen’s father was leader of the French National Front. There is a very thin line between the far/hard right politics and fascism. It isn’t all about jackboots and swastikas.

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whelk

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30 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Marine Le Pen’s father was leader of the French National Front. There is a very thin line between the far/hard right politics and fascism. It isn’t all about jackboots and swastikas.

You would label George Osborne a fascist

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rallyboy

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Anyone who voted for Richard Holden needs sectioning - seriously, if they really thought that he was the answer to anything they should never be allowed near a polling station ever again.

How he still has a job is a damning judgement on the intelligence of voters in Basildon and Billericay.

Shame on them.

 

Weston Super Saint

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7 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I get laughing emojis when I post about the movement to the far right in Europe - 

https://www.politico.eu/article/marine-le-pen-national-rally-eu-parliament-far-right-patriots-for-europe/

The burning question is, as the EU lurches further and further towards the right and the EU parliament start to don black shirts, where is the tipping point for you to not want to be part of it (if there is one?).

Once you reach that point, will you finally accept the Brexit referendum result?  Given your penchant for a volte face, will you then be trumpeting Brexit as a good thing?

rallyboy

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One or two Tories don't seem to have learned anything, they're still making up the same old shit that got them thrown out.

It's all gone quiet on the meat tax, seven bins and compulsory car sharing, but Labour are going to concrete over the green belt apparently.

Stop telling lies, do your fucking job and come up with some actual policy, a sensible opposition is never a bad thing.

 

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trousers

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38 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Sunak says that Starmer faces a 'formidable task'. He should know, it's a mess of his making.

To be fair, most outgoing governments leave a bit of a mess, otherwise they wouldn't have been voted out....

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Gloucester Saint

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5 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Brexit Jim is a twat and a proven hypocrite.

Singapore is nearer to their Asian markets and also has a free trade agreement with the EU. James Dyson pledged during the referendum campaign that the R&D facilities would stay in the UK but there is a now a question mark over that. The company has also had a few mis-steps in the market with new products https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6p2660ldn2o 

I seem to recall they had some issues further back with washing machines?

SW5 SAINT

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On 08/07/2024 at 13:39, buctootim said:

Daily Mail thinks economic migration is great and EU countries are better run nicer places to live.....

 

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Escape to France, Sweden and Italy without a hint of irony…..

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whelk

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Farage flying off to comfort his mate is laughable. Trump couldn’t have had such luck in last few weeks and is cock-a-hoop.

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tdmickey3

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7 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Your daily Farage update.  Brought to you by #obsessed

Hilarious 🤣 

You are so obsessed with SOG, you have an alert sent to you when he posts but you are not alone

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sadoldgit

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2 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Hilarious 🤣 

You are so obsessed with SOG, you have an alert sent to you when he posts but you are not alone

Plenty of people post about Farage but he doesn’t mention them. I wonder why?

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