The 2024 General Election - July 4th

[AlexLaw76]

4 hours ago, rallyboy said:

Any actual thoughts?

Yours

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Golactico said:

Much as we'd all love this pic to show what we want it to show, annoyingly the family never lived above the shop. They lived in Portswood and then moved to a big house in Bassett when the money started coming in.

yes obviously, i wouldn't expect a family that own a pharmacy that sent their kid to Winchester College to live in a flat above a shop on Burgess Road, lol. Thought it was pretty funny when i saw it though.

[Fan The Flames]

2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Isn't that what the Tory manifesto looked like last time around?

Apart from the energy thing.

That was just two lines Get Brexit Done and Level Up.

[Fan The Flames]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Plaid Cymru say that Wales should get £4Bn from the HS2 funds. Why, it was going through Birmingham to Manchester.

Probably something to do with Welsh water, it's always to do with water.

[Weston Super Saint]

Meanwhile, Plaid Cymru's manifesto has the following :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ggw27403lo

 

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Wales should get an extra £4bn in funding from the HS2 rail project and more control over its natural resources, Plaid Cymru's leader has said.

Party leader Rhun ap Iorwerth called for "fair" funding for Wales and a £20 a week increase to child benefit in its manifesto for the general election.

He backed a "fairer" tax system system with increased windfall taxes on energy companies at the manifesto launch in Cardiff, and for powers over policing to be handed to the Senedd.

Mr ap Iorwerth appealed to Welsh voters not to give Labour a "free pass" in the general election.

The party called for the decriminalisation of "soft" drugs, said it would oppose the renewal of the Trident nuclear weapons system, and called for the UK to re-enter the EU customs union.

It called for Wales to be allowed to take part in the Eurovision song contest.

Eurovision FFS.

[ecuk268]

7 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Meanwhile, Plaid Cymru's manifesto has the following :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ggw27403lo

 

Eurovision FFS.

I'm sure that'll get the votes rolling in.

[badgerx16]

7 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Meanwhile, Plaid Cymru's manifesto has the following :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3ggw27403lo

 

Eurovision FFS.

Only independent countries can enter, Wales stopped being independent in 1282.

[Weston Super Saint]

11 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Only independent countries can enter, Wales stopped being independent in 1282.

I'm sure they can make an exception - they let Australia play.

 

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I'm sure they can make an exception - they let Australia play.

 

But they never let Australia win.

[Weston Super Saint]

9 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But they never let Australia win.

Everyone competing is a winner in their own way.

[AlexLaw76]

Do election campaigns make that much of a difference? Is there really many undecideds?

just a period of weeks where they all lie with a straight(er) face 

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Do election campaigns make that much of a difference? Is there really many undecideds?

just a period of weeks where they all lie with a straight(er) face 

Probably don't make that much difference unless it is a very tight race. Could be worse, it takes the Yanks a year to make a binary choice.

[Challenger]

25 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Probably don't make that much difference unless it is a very tight race. Could be worse, it takes the Yanks a year to make a binary choice.

Normally an Anglophobe or a loon.

[Turkish]

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

[Turkish]

Im surprised that hasn't been any comments yet on Penny Mourdant making herself look at utter moron (not for the first time) last night, she was like an 8 year old. Every time Angela Rayner spoke she just shouted over "what's your plan, whats your plan" fingers in ears i cant hear you type responses.

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[pingpong]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Im surprised that hasn't been any comments yet on Penny Mourdant making herself look at utter moron (not for the first time) last night, she was like an 8 year old. Every time Angela Rayner spoke she just shouted over "what's your plan, whats your plan" fingers in ears i cant hear you type responses.

I think the tories have become an irrelevance in the campaign now.  ITV on the full attack on Labour now, hardly mentioning sunak at all, slight mention of farage.  I think the media are assuming the race is over and so are focusing on challenging who they see as the next govt.

Which seems against purdah, but that's been ignored so far I think. It seemed to switch after the sky debate.

[Gloucester Saint]

15 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Do election campaigns make that much of a difference? Is there really many undecideds?

just a period of weeks where they all lie with a straight(er) face 

Take it that you are as weary of the debates and various newspaper cheerleading for their bosses as I am.

However, the campaigning is still important, not for who wins on 4 July it seems, but for what the formation of the opposition looks like, as that will determine the next few elections. At last nights debate, which was one too many for me, Mordaunt still focused on Rayner, Rayner countered where she needed to but Mordaunt and the Lib Dem’s were clashing more as the Lib Dem’s are more of a threat to the Tories having 80-150 seats and being the official opposition. Seems crazy to even say it out loud, but a You Gov poll an hour beforehand had Reform 1% ahead of the Tories and the Lib Dem’s only 3% behind and a big danger in south and SW.

Cooper and Farage focused on Mordaunt, but Penny couldn’t take on Farage in the same way as the Tories don’t want to push any Reform waverers further to them. Flynn and Rayner clashed more where the SNP and Labour are contesting Scotland. Greens and Welsh targeting Rayner over further public sector cuts, as well as Flynn, to differentiate.

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[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Take it that you are as weary of the debates and various newspaper cheerleading for their bosses as I am.

However, the campaigning is still important, not for who wins on 4 July it seems, but for what the formation of the opposition looks like, as that will determine the next few elections. At last nights debate, which was one too many for me, Mordaunt still focused on Rayner, Rayner countered where she needed to but Mordaunt and the Lib Dem’s were clashing more as the Lib Dem’s are more of a threat to the Tories having 80-150 seats and being the official opposition. Cooper and Farage focused on Mordaunt, but Penny couldn’t take on Farage in the same way as the Tories don’t want to push any Reform waverers further to them. Flynn and Rayner clashed more where the SNP and Labour are contesting Scotland. Greens and Welsh targeting Rayner over further public sector cuts, as well as Flynn, to differentiate.

I was a bit surprised Rayner said Labour would never rejoin the EU. I expected it from Nige and Morondant but not from her. Even a response on "when the time is right" like the others did would have been a more voter friendly response. 

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[Lord Duckhunter]

Raynor is the long term leader id want if I was a labour supporter. Starmer is such a stuffed shirt. “My dad will be turning in his grave” FFS people weren’t laughing at your dad’s job, they were laughing at you shoehorning it into every conversation.
 

Give me strength these are without doubt the 3 most useless party leaders I can remember at any election. Davey is a fucking moron, pound shop Boris with his clown act & Sunak is running the worst election campaign in history, after calling an election when he didn’t need to. No wonder Nigel is enjoying himself, the other 3 are ocean going duds. I don’t know about Starmers dad but Maggie, Harold Wilson & paddy Ashdown will be turning in their graves. 

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[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Raynor is the long term leader id want if I was a labour supporter. Starmer is such a stuffed shirt. “My dad will be turning in his grave” FFS people weren’t laughing at your dad’s job, they were laughing at you shoehorning it into every conversation.
 

Give me strength these are without doubt the 3 most useless party leaders I can remember at any election. Davey is a fucking moron, pound shop Boris with his clown act & Sunak is running the worst election campaign in history, after calling an election when he didn’t need to. No wonder Nigel is enjoying himself, the other 3 are ocean going duds. I don’t know about Starmers dad but Maggie, Harold Wilson & paddy Ashdown will be turning in their graves. 

Whilst I don't disagree with your second paragraph, the thought of Raynor one day running the country is terrifying. Surely there's someone marginally more competent from the 70 million people that live in the UK?

[revolution saint]

16 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Do election campaigns make that much of a difference? Is there really many undecideds?

just a period of weeks where they all lie with a straight(er) face 

Was listening to a pollster yesterday who was saying that 45% of people haven't decided who to vote for yet.  Was either on Times Radio or Newsagents podcast.  He did clarify that many of them have decided who they're NOT going to vote for but still goes to show that there's plenty more still to play for.

[Lord Duckhunter]

This rather contradicts Soggy’s “far right” narrative. Lord Ashcroft poll of 2019 Tory voters, who aren’t voting Tory. Only 11% say they agree that they have moved too far to the right. 
 

 

 

[sadoldgit]

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48322-tories-now-seen-as-being-as-right-wing-as-2014-16-era-ukip

https://nickcohen.substack.com/p/the-conservative-party-is-a-far-right

The harder right someone’s politics, the more they claim not to be. 

Strange how someone who claims to call out antisemitism actively supports and votes for the antisemitic Nigel Farage. The same Nigel Farage who is talking about leading a “centre right” party. 😂
 

 

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[AlexLaw76]

I know old news, but….:

[Lord Duckhunter]

This is all over social media this morning and will be give Tory HQ nightmares. 
 

 

[sadoldgit]

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/conservative-party-alignment

Strange chap, laughing at a government poll. Poor old hypo, it sounds like delirium is setting in. 
We can safely assume now that he and Duckhunter will be voting Reform, the party where at least 41 candidates are linked to the modern day equivalent of Oswald Mosley and its leader used to sing songs about gassing Jews. 

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[rallyboy]

Penny was shockingly bad, talking over people, nothing to say, bullying, dressed like some end-of-the-pier Thatcher tribute act, just spouting lies, more talking over, more lies.

How anyone can vote for this chaotic shitshow is beyond me, seriously, please, who really believes that another five years of this insanity is a good idea? 

But, but RB you woke remoaner pinko, Labour will make it worse, tax, blah, blah, war, danger....Corbyn...tax...Covid....Putin, blah, blah....clear plan....no plan....tax....   

It's like being bottom at Christmas with no points, having not scored since September, but saying that changing the manager now might make things worse, just give him another ten games, we're only 15 points adrift...

The architects of this clusterfuck all merrily danced alongside fuckwit charlatan Boris the Eton clown down a potholed cul-de-sac of incompetence, laziness, dogshit, lies and corruption, all of the cabinet ministers happily laughing at the stupid poor people as the Tory donors were given millions of pounds in taxpayer cash - haha, look at the stupid oiks in their little levelled up food banks, vote for self-harm you fucking red wall morons!

When Boris tried to protect one sex offender too many they decided the totally inept Truss was the saviour, everyone knew that was insane, literally fucking everyone!

Now it's dishy Rishi the political giant trying to carry the big boy baton, with his 'unusual' business dealings and ill-fitting trousers - and the lies are still flowing like the mighty rivers of shit destroying our countryside as water company shareholders pocket millions.

Surely even the thickest voter, the most easily-led must now understand that they have been shafted.

There are no new hospitals, no boats have stopped, nothing has been levelled up, there are no GP appointments, the schools are crumbling and our country has been destroyed by these greedy self-serving arseholes.

If you don't want change, whether it be Labour, Lib Dems or the Greens, you are either a billionaire donor up to your ears in filthy corruption, or you need sectioning, and even for that you'll have to wait in a fucking corridor.

But I'm still undecided.

[Gloucester Saint]

3 hours ago, Turkish said:

I was a bit surprised Rayner said Labour would never rejoin the EU. I expected it from Nige and Morondant but not from her. Even a response on "when the time is right" like the others did would have been a more voter friendly response. 

Oh I agree, both on a personal level and also living in the SW (just about) in an area that was remain/leave marginal but where there’s a lot of cynicism about Brexit now.

I think what she was trying to do is reassure the ‘Red Wall’ areas that they won’t attempt a Jo Swinney and subvert the referendum outcome, but they are going to find it hard to not make even further spending cuts on top of what is already likely, let alone net investment in public services, without some closer links to the EU to enable economic growth. After all, people tend to vote Labour to invest more in public services, not further cuts.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

This is all over social media this morning and will be give Tory HQ nightmares. 
 

 

"a vote for you is now a vote for labour" 🤣

[aintforever]

3 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Oh I agree, both on a personal level and also living in the SW (just about) in an area that was remain/leave marginal but where there’s a lot of cynicism about Brexit now.

I think what she was trying to do is reassure the ‘Red Wall’ areas that they won’t attempt a Jo Swinney and subvert the referendum outcome, but they are going to find it hard to not make even further spending cuts on top of what is already likely, let alone net investment in public services, without some closer links to the EU to enable economic growth. After all, people tend to vote Labour to invest more in public services, not further cuts.

Brexit is the elephant in the room at the moment. The Tories can blame anything in Brexit at the moment because they are responsible for it, Labour won’t go near the subject because of the red wall.

I expect that will change big time after the election once the Tories are out, anything negative to do with Brexit can actually be discussed with a bit of honesty. I expect the new government will blame anything shit they can on brexit when they are in the firing line.

[aintforever]

Think Sunak has made a big mistake with the timing of this election, he has a few weeks to try and claw back Labour’s 20 point lead in the polls and it’s just going to be blanket coverage of the footie on TV from now on. 

[sadoldgit]

Stop sitting on the fence Rallyboy. Tell us what you really think. 😉

[sadoldgit]

9 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Brexit is the elephant in the room at the moment. The Tories can blame anything in Brexit at the moment because they are responsible for it, Labour won’t go near the subject because of the red wall.

I expect that will change big time after the election once the Tories are out, anything negative to do with Brexit can actually be discussed with a bit of honesty. I expect the new government will blame anything shit they can on brexit when they are in the firing line.

They will be right to blame anything shit on Brexit as it has caused so much economic damage to this country. The Greens have been open about the EU and like you, I think that, once the dust settles on this election, there will be better and more honest discussion on the effect of leaving the EU (and more BS from the self elected leader of the opposition).

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, sadoldgit said:

They will be right to blame anything shit on Brexit as it has caused so much economic damage to this country. The Greens have been open about the EU and like you, I think that, once the dust settles on this election, there will be better and more honest discussion on the effect of leaving the EU (and more BS from the self elected leader of the opposition).

Given how 'far right' the EU is becoming, I thought you would be happy to be out of it

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

This is all over social media this morning and will be give Tory HQ nightmares. 
 

 

So unfair on Rishi, the mastermind behind giving someone £3000 to volunteer to go to Rwanda. At a cut rate, bargain overall cost of just hundreds of millions.

[sadoldgit]

29 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Given how 'far right' the EU is becoming, I thought you would be happy to be out of it

Using your logic do you think that Farage would like to rejoin?

Angela Rayner has been surprisingly restrained so far. I assume that she has been coached to hold it in and just let the Tories hang themselves. No point in getting involved too much when they are doing such a good job of losing the election themselves.

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[Lord Duckhunter]

The Government are getting clog over immigration because it’s 100% down to them. If we were still in the far right EU, they’d be doing what Cameron, Hague & the other pretend Euro sceptics did, blame free movement. They’re accountable, which is the very thing I voted for. 

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[sadoldgit]

Laura Trott  saying that the latest poll showing Reform ahead of them is a “wake up call.”

Perhaps they should rebrand themselves as the Rip Van Winkle party?

🙄

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[Lord Duckhunter]

On 08/06/2024 at 12:34, sadoldgit said:

Warming more and more towards the Greens.

Me too 

 

 

 

[AlexLaw76]

[ecuk268]

Jonathan Pie as perceptive as ever:

 

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

“Strong and stable government” - May

”Get brexit done” - Johnson

”Labour will raise your taxes by £2000” - Sunak

[The Kraken]

Literally a soggy wet dream in north Islington, one useless bellend holding up an umbrella for a complete cunt.

[Turkish]

[Lord Duckhunter]

10 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

“Strong and stable government” - May

”Get brexit done” - Johnson

”Labour will raise your taxes by £2000” - Sunak

I’m struggling to understand the point you’re trying to make. Seems a bit bizarre to be quoting 2 slogans that were used by the winning party as some sort of gotcha. 😩

[Lord Duckhunter]

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

9 hours ago, The Kraken said:

 

Looks like Jones is trying to fly like Mary Poppins, probably getting ready for a trip to Gaza. That helmet will be chucked off a roof upon arrival #queersforpalistine

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[egg]

5 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I’m struggling to understand the point you’re trying to make. Seems a bit bizarre to be quoting 2 slogans that were used by the winning party as some sort of gotcha. 😩

It's pretty obvious. They're desperate slogans. May wasn't a winner in any way,  Brexit has hardly showered us in milk and honey, and Rishi and his mates have cranked taxes themselves. Your post wasn't exactly a gotcha. 

[whelk]

31 minutes ago, egg said:

It's pretty obvious. They're desperate slogans. May wasn't a winner in any way,  Brexit has hardly showered us in milk and honey, and Rishi and his mates have cranked taxes themselves. Your post wasn't exactly a gotcha. 

Whilst May won, I would question the effectiveness of her campaign given she blew her majority and that was when she was up against Corbyn