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Maitland-Niles' nightmare in Nottingham

Fraser Spinney

By Fraser Spinney,
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Smirking_Saint

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Nice article mate, well written, I saw it roughly the same but for me leaving 2 at the back against a side as comfortable countering as Forest was suicide… utilising an inverted wingback… even if they were good enough to do it has its advantages but leaving only 2 ‘CB’s’ behind, especially two as uncomfortable 1 on 1 as ours was highly optimistic to say the least

You either use KWP as a marauding wing back **OR** AMN as an Inverted WB… not both 

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1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Defensively it was a complete mess. All their goals game through the left back position where a specialised full back should have been.

If KWP was at left back to snuff out Johnson, Gibbs White would have had AMNs pants down on the right anyway. Without Perraud we were shafted. Looking forward to Tino’s return next season.

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29 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

IMO what Selles asked AMN to do there was akin to asking a Mechanic to wire your house. 

This is where it’s so painfully obvious selles is a Ralph disciple. 
 

he gets a hard on for a few players that everyone can see are shit week in week out and gives them roles that they just can’t do.

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Pilchards

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It’s a brain fart tactic to put an already low on confidence player doing two roles that he was never comfortable with.

The quicker we get a decent manager in the better. These players have no direction and in training I can only wonder if they are scratching their own heads half of the time.

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Whitey Grandad

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7 hours ago, Zorba said:

If KWP was at left back to snuff out Johnson, Gibbs White would have had AMNs pants down on the right anyway. Without Perraud we were shafted. Looking forward to Tino’s return next season.

Indeed. What was needed was another full back. What was wrong with playing Bree?

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Saint Garrett

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40 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Indeed. What was needed was another full back. What was wrong with playing Bree?

Clearly Selles doesn’t think he’s up to it. Has he been in any matchday squad since Jones yet? I know he was playing for the B team. 

He hasn’t looked great from the few times we’ve seen him but might be an asset next season. Didn’t he play a lot on the right of a back 3 for Luton? 

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8 hours ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

IMO what Selles asked AMN to do there was akin to asking a Mechanic to wire your house. 

I was very critical of AMN on Monday night, and he was rubbish, but perhaps I was unfair and the main criticism should be of Selles setting him up to fail in a role that he just couldn't do. 

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It doesn't matter what defensive wizardry we deploy, its been the same since mid way through last season, during Ralph's tenure. We play narrow, we have the slowest attacking build up I have ever seen, we slowly, slowly commit players forwards, lose the ball, gaping holes everywhere with full backs stranded up the field and midfielders all drawn into the middle, then.... bang bang concede. 

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1 hour ago, JRM said:

I was very critical of AMN on Monday night, and he was rubbish, but perhaps I was unfair and the main criticism should be of Selles setting him up to fail in a role that he just couldn't do. 

Agreed, it’s on the manager. Was this really the match for the “cautious” Selles to introduce such a high risk tactic? It was shit or bust and ended up being both. 

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Charlie Wayman

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10 hours ago, Zorba said:

If KWP was at left back to snuff out Johnson, Gibbs White would have had AMNs pants down on the right anyway. Without Perraud we were shafted. Looking forward to Tino’s return next season.

Far too much information. What they do in private is up to them but not on football pitch.

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Charlie Wayman

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4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Getting AMN to play the 'zinchenko' role was hilariously bad from our comedy character of a manager

I have a horrible feeling in my gut that the club will sign AMN on a permanent four-year deal in the summer and there's sod all we can do about it.

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Selles just googles "hottest football trend" and then uses that.

False nines, inverted wingbacks etc, all a nonsense and not suited to a team at the bottom. We should look at the players we have, and build an effective tactic based on that.

Of the top of my head, we have a giant striker and a guy that's good at dead balls. It's ugly, it's basic but it's got to be more efficient than trying to be the smartest man in the room all the time.

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4 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

I have a horrible feeling in my gut that the club will sign AMN on a permanent four-year deal in the summer and there's sod all we can do about it.

Hopefully he'll carry on thinking he's far better than he is and decide he's far too good to play in the Championship

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20 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Defensively it was a complete mess. All their goals game through the left back position where a specialised full back should have been.

AMN is supposed to be able to play as an attacking (because he can't defend) full back or as a central midfielder. As mentioned, having seen another team try it out, and with someone in our team supposedly suitable, we're good to go. We get some defensive solidity combined with more presence in the middle to 1) stop them and 2) kick start our fairly rubbish attack. Tactical genius.

But that's when Selles should have put his football manager type spreadsheets away, and looked at reality.

He was never going to be mobile enough against the Forest attack. He's not mobile enough, if away from his defence role, against any attack with decent pace.

And, has been shown, he offers nothing as a defensive midfielder. When he came in, I thought he might be able to at least fo a job there. But far from it.

He's slightly better just having the defensive duties. But Selles didn't put him out to do that and we were caught out time and again.

He did put together a succession of 4 decent passes from deep at one point, sowing some good vision. It's just finding a place where he can do that without being a liability. That's probably a scam attacking central midfielder. But we don't set up with him in mind for that role. It also showed that if we wanted deeper delivery, and a more solid defence, then that's exactly what Bree was brought in for.

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Whitey Grandad

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9 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I cannot understand how anyone who remotely follows football, would play AMN ahead of Bree.....

Bree cannot be that bad, surely?

From what little I’ve seen of him he looked solid if unspectacular. Which is exactly what we have needed. None of this ‘too clever by half’ experimental stuff.

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