McCarthy

[Whitey Grandad]

13 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Forster is every bit as awful as McCarthy. It's just Forster's mistakes got brushed under the carpet while McCarthy is blamed for every single goal he concedes even when no keeper in the world could have stopped them.

The Forster of today is not the same Forster of a few years ago.

[sledger]

im going to nickname him polo,the mint with a hole in that everything straight at him goes through

[Bad Wolf]

3 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Not strictly true is it?

Yes it is. While McCarthy isn't very good, not every single thing is his fault.

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Yes it is. While McCarthy isn't very good, not every single thing is his fault.

I’d wager Buffon, Casillas, Van Der Saar or Cech might have kept out three or even four of the goals we conceded yesterday.

[Bad Wolf]

17 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I’d wager Buffon, Casillas, Van Der Saar or Cech might have kept out three or even four of the goals we conceded yesterday.

i wasn't talking about yesterday's goals. I meant in general. McCarthy was responsible for the second and fourth, what on Earth was he supposed to do about the first or third?!

[fanimal]

Get Harry Isted back!!

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

Yes it is. While McCarthy isn't very good, not every single thing is his fault.

I was referring to the “no keeper in the world could have stopped them” bit. 
 

but I agree with you, as with Bazunu not every goal is stoppable.

[Whitey Grandad]

47 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

i wasn't talking about yesterday's goals. I meant in general. McCarthy was responsible for the second and fourth, what on Earth was he supposed to do about the first or third?!

Interesting that you should ask that. The first was down to him in a large part because he rolled the ball out to Lavia who was facing our goal and was about to be hounded by any one of several Liverpool players. McCarthy waves at him to put the ball out towards our right back which he duly does but was completely unaware of how much pressure he was under. He should never have been put in that situation. McCarthy never leaves his goal post even when he can see that it’s all gone Pete Tong.

 

[david in sweden]

3 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I was referring to the “no keeper in the world could have stopped them” bit. 
 

but I agree with you, as with Bazunu not every goal is stoppable.

and of course we should remember..... that a goalkeeper is only as a good as the defence in front of him

......and some of them went AWOL on numerous occasions throughout the season, but even they cannot

be blamed for everything that went wrong..

ALSO  We lost 12 games by a mere one goal margin  ( 9 of them by 0-1 ) and some of the defeats we suffered can be laid at  

the door of those at the top end of the pitch who often missed more chances than the opposition sides who won those games.

 

[DT]

We really have to get rid of him this time. He's appalling. God knows why he's selected. Invisible. A good keeper must be very high on the list for next season, along with, um, probably 10 other players with experience and presence in front of him. Oh and proven goalscorer. Need to invest that Lavia and JWP money well.

[Whitey Grandad]

37 minutes ago, david in sweden said:

and of course we should remember..... that a goalkeeper is only as a good as the defence in front of him

......and some of them went AWOL on numerous occasions throughout the season, but even they cannot

be blamed for everything that went wrong..

ALSO  We lost 12 games by a mere one goal margin  ( 9 of them by 0-1 ) and some of the defeats we suffered can be laid at  

the door of those at the top end of the pitch who often missed more chances than the opposition sides who won those games.

 

all very true but as it turned out we would have needed four more wins to have finished above Everton.

[sledger]

1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

i wasn't talking about yesterday's goals. I meant in general. McCarthy was responsible for the second and fourth, what on Earth was he supposed to do about the first or third?!

he should have done better for two brighton goals last week,its a theme,hes just a poor goalkeeper and makes a very average defence in front of him even poorer

[Bad Wolf]

17 hours ago, sledger said:

he should have done better for two brighton goals last week,its a theme,hes just a poor goalkeeper and makes a very average defence in front of him even poorer

Nobody's denying any of that

[Bad Wolf]

18 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

I was referring to the “no keeper in the world could have stopped them” bit. 
 

but I agree with you, as with Bazunu not every goal is stoppable.

I didn't mean the goals on Sunday. What I meant was that for the last 5 years, McCarthy has been blamed for every goal he's conceded and whilst some of it has been warranted, some absolutely has not and he HAS, in the past, been blamed for goals that no keeper could have stopped.

[East Kent Saint]

You have to remember he did have a good spell replacing Forster and was No1 on merit for a while and was included in the odd England squad as far as I remember !

He did go downhill with injuries and famously stayed on in one match while injured which led to his exclusion for ages . He seems to have ended up as a No2 at best as seems to happen with Saints keepers .

[OldNick]

On 29/05/2023 at 18:48, DT said:

We really have to get rid of him this time. He's appalling. God knows why he's selected. Invisible. A good keeper must be very high on the list for next season, along with, um, probably 10 other players with experience and presence in front of him. Oh and proven goalscorer. Need to invest that Lavia and JWP money well.

Hey DT I bet you were on Shiltons back lol

[Smirking_Saint]

On 11/05/2023 at 09:10, Smirking_Saint said:

I do think this is the primary issue, we’re just a terribly disjointed team when it comes to defending, which is why Ralph, Jones etc all tried to bolster the amount of defenders we have back there

But the stats are there, both Baz/McCarthy have underperformed their metrics compared to other GKs

Baz, imo, has a future, it was just too early for him, AM is however a terrible keeper

Basically what I said earlier, both poor keepers but I think Baz is just young and out of form

McCarthy just doesn’t have much going for him, an ok shot stopper but pretty poor in his other areas

Baz ‘may’ be ok in the Championship but Id be a lot more comfortable with the pressure taken off his young shoulders

[DT]

7 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Hey DT I bet you were on Shiltons back lol

Greatest keeper we ever had by a country mile. 

'Tina! Tina!'

Remember that and you're a real fan...

😉

[Appy]

Aside from a 5-6 game purple patch in 2017/18, he’s been an abysmal goalkeeper for us. 
 

We just keep signing bad goalkeepers. 

[S-Clarke]

7 minutes ago, Appy said:

Aside from a 5-6 game purple patch in 2017/18, he’s been an abysmal goalkeeper for us. 
 

We just keep signing bad goalkeepers. 

We are not very good at scouting goalkeepers, that's for sure. We've spent a mini fortune on crap in such a short space of time, whereas Fulham, Villa and even Everton have spent a fraction of that on players who are miles better than we obtained, and have set them up for years to go. We just go round on this circle of failing.

We seemed to have a total blind spot on good experienced GK's for the level we're at, even Kelvin when he first came here was pretty ridiculed given the season he had just endured at Sunderland.

Edited 31 May, 2023 by S-Clarke

[StrangelyBrown]

McCarthy shouldn't have been anywhere near our first team for most of his time here, but despite major flaws has played far more games than he should have done. If only we'd have gotten rid and kept Forster this season may have turned out slightly different... (although baz would have had to be dropped too) - I'm not saying Forster is great just better than McCarthy and Baz.

Fingers crossed we get rid of McCarthy this summer

 

[HarvSFC]

Considering Leno, Henderson and Neto were all available last summer, going to the promoted clubs it is pretty astonishing that we ended up with Portsmouth's player of the season. 

Even moneyball Brentford have today replaced David Raya, yes a signing in May! With a 29 year old Netherlands international from the Bundesliga. Not an amateur from League One.

We got it terribly wrong last summer and were already burnt by Angus Gunn. Hopefully we rectify it this summer, as I haven't seen much from Bazunu to believe he's ready to handle the pressure of the title race the board have said they're going for.

[Sunglasses Ron]

11 hours ago, HarvSFC said:

Considering Leno, Henderson and Neto were all available last summer, going to the promoted clubs it is pretty astonishing that we ended up with Portsmouth's player of the season. 

Even moneyball Brentford have today replaced David Raya, yes a signing in May! With a 29 year old Netherlands international from the Bundesliga. Not an amateur from League One.

We got it terribly wrong last summer and were already burnt by Angus Gunn. Hopefully we rectify it this summer, as I haven't seen much from Bazunu to believe he's ready to handle the pressure of the title race the board have said they're going for.

I can't decide whether our failure to sign a proven striker or goalkeeper was our biggest error last season.

Both totally inexcusable, both had grave consequences.

[OldNick]

21 hours ago, DT said:

Greatest keeper we ever had by a country mile. 

'Tina! Tina!'

Remember that and you're a real fan...

😉

I think he was on Tina's back. Niemi was a close second. 

I go back to Gerry Gurr and Eric Martins days.  😃

[Mustapha Fag]

I remember Campbell Forsyth as the first keeper I saw in 67 but agree on Shilts first Niemi close second and probably Flowers in third

[DT]

Surely Terry Gennoe? 😉

Seem to remember Chris Woods having a good spell with us.

But yes, Shilton was magnificent. Remember one point blank save from a header i think against Forest which was out of this world. Shame he's gone all weird now.