Forest 4-3 Saints - Match Thread

[Brissysaint]

Lol brilliant game to wake up for on your birthday. I’ll admit though at least it was entertaining unlike 80 percent of other games this year. 
 

I forgot about Edozie and now I’m annoyed that he froze him out for absolutely no reason. 

[wild-saint]

7 hours ago, Saint86 said:

We have fans that are now calling are dedicated away supporters c*nts and noddys. We have a fanbase that booed this young and inexperienced team from the very first game of the season when they needed support. And we have fans that wanted a loyal, passionate, and good manager sacked - a decision that has most certainly relegated us.

As a fanbase we're reaping what we've sown. But I must say i'm looking forward to the, "anyone would be better than ralph / JWP / INSERT OTHER" finding something else to moan about in the lower leagues. Without doubt, their unrealistic expectations and impatience in "supporting" this team, and the negativity they created, are a part of why we're going down.

Commentators calling on saints fans to be a "12th man" this season 😂

Totally agree. The home fans are a fucking disgrace and have been for a while. No support for the team, just waiting for an opportunity to jeer and boo like we have a right to be in the top league.

Jeez, at 1-0 down against Bournemouth the fans decided to turn on the team again rather than try and help them get back into the game. biggest game if the season and the last chance to try and build some Confidence.
 

 

 

[The Curse of St Mary's]

7 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

Totally agree. The home fans are a fucking disgrace and have been for a while. No support for the team, just waiting for an opportunity to jeer and boo like we have a right to be in the top league.

Jeez, at 1-0 down against Bournemouth the fans decided to turn on the team again rather than try and help them get back into the game. biggest game if the season and the last chance to try and build some Confidence.
 

 

 

Fans are rightly fed up with the snoozefest that has been served up at SMS for last 18 months or so. The team does nothing to get fans on the edge of their seats. Why should fans sing more when the players themselves can't be arsed to do anything but pass backwards and avoid any sort of responsibility on the ball?

[Sarisbury Saint]

11 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

Totally agree. The home fans are a fucking disgrace and have been for a while. No support for the team, just waiting for an opportunity to jeer and boo like we have a right to be in the top league.

Jeez, at 1-0 down against Bournemouth the fans decided to turn on the team again rather than try and help them get back into the game. biggest game if the season and the last chance to try and build some Confidence.
 

 

 

What a load of bollocks. I go to every home game and that certainly isn’t how it happens. Fans have always got behind the team right from the start and yet there are some players who just can’t be bothered to put the effort in.

Id say the fans have let this club get away with it far too tamely if anything.

 The board, the so called managers and some (not all) of the players.

[Give it to Ron]

16 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

Totally agree. The home fans are a fucking disgrace and have been for a while. No support for the team, just waiting for an opportunity to jeer and boo like we have a right to be in the top league.

Jeez, at 1-0 down against Bournemouth the fans decided to turn on the team again rather than try and help them get back into the game. biggest game if the season and the last chance to try and build some Confidence.
 

 

 

Yeah because we have had so much to cheer about this season.

For 90% it’s been good not brilliant but “fucking disgrace” really!

The fans have been treated shockingly by this board. Searched, lined up and sniffer dogs, away fans in home end, blamed for any trouble yet we are a disgrace?

The support around me in block 35 has been great so think you are talking bollox like 86 who posted that for reactions and got it

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Give it to Ron said:

Yeah because we have had so much to cheer about this season.

For 90% it’s been good not brilliant but “fucking disgrace” really!

The fans have been treated shockingly by this board. Searched, lined up and sniffer dogs, away fans in home end, blamed for any trouble yet we are a disgrace?

The support around me in block 35 has been great so think you are talking bollox like 86 who posted that for reactions and got it

Totally agree.  From the very start of the season - Toby Steele warning fans to behave - the fans have been served absolute dog shit. I am amazed how lightly the grief is from the fans to the Directors box.

You have to laugh, Saints fans bearing the brunt of brazen away fans in the home end.  Now, away fans in the home end if they are not identifiable I guess is fine, but when they are wearing colours and not even trying to hide it is sheer incompetence by the authorities. 

Let alone the lunatic that is Rasmus Ankerson

Sports Republic have been an absolute disaster for this club, and I liken them to the new-age Venkeys

[Fitzhugh Fella]

8 hours ago, Saint86 said:

We have fans that are now calling are dedicated away supporters c*nts and noddys. We have a fanbase that booed this young and inexperienced team from the very first game of the season when they needed support. And we have fans that wanted a loyal, passionate, and good manager sacked - a decision that has most certainly relegated us.

As a fanbase we're reaping what we've sown. But I must say i'm looking forward to the, "anyone would be better than ralph / JWP / INSERT OTHER" finding something else to moan about in the lower leagues. Without doubt, their unrealistic expectations and impatience in "supporting" this team, and the negativity they created, are a part of why we're going down.

Commentators calling on saints fans to be a "12th man" this season 😂

Bollocks. What relegated us was not sacking Ralph earlier and then appointing someone decent. Had we done that Ralph would have been no more than a fading memory to all but one or two of his cultists clutching their pearls and his faded photograph to their hearts. 

[Convict Colony]

8 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

We were by far the better team today.

We gifted them that win with dreadful defending.

All too little too late. Get a solid no-nonsense centre back in and a proper centre forward and we smash the Championship next season.

[saint michael]

Same shit different day.

could write this after every game
 

im more worried about the feeling on here that we will bounce straight back. Think we are in for a hell of a wake up call

 

Edited 9 May, 2023 by saint michael

[CB Fry]

7 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

Oh we need more than 2 players for sure. Just in the first 11 alone that's what we need. The whole squad needs a change of mentality 

The point is the first 11 won't be the players we have now plus two.

The whole squad and team will be thrown up in the air and none of us have any idea what the 1-11 will be on August 1st.

[gammon cheeks]

Well done to our away support last night . 

[obelisk]

Ironically that was one of Saints better performances lately. Another game where they score 3 goals and fail to come away with 3 points though.

Now that relegation is nailed on I fully expect to see them go unbeaten for the remaining games.

[SotonianWill]

I know it’s from 5th May but I can’t stop laughing at this 🤣🤣

 

 

[miserableoldgit]

I am sick to death of this "Knock the home fans" bollox!! I have had a ST every year since 1975 and watching from the terracing for 20 years before that, so I think that I can be counted as a loyal supporter. As someone else said, virtually every game the support from the beginning is always very good but in recent seasons we are continually being let down by performances on the pitch.......we have been ground down. We have won just two games at home this season......JUST TWO GAMES.... and the performances have been generally.....lets be kind.....uninspiring. It's all very well being blindly loyal, in the same way that people are blindly loyal to Political Parties, but I don't pay £600+ in advance to a Political Party......I do to Southampton Football Club and I expect something in return....some entertainment and excitement and they have not been forthcoming.....the club has become a depressing joke. I suspect that those who are continuosly moaning about the home crowd are the same ones who coined the phrase "Happy Clappers"......you need someone to knock to make yourself feel good.

[east-stand-nic]

2 hours ago, saint michael said:

Same shit different day.

could write this after every game
 

im more worried about the feeling on here that we will bounce straight back. Think we are in for a hell of a wake up call

 

I suspect many Burnley fans said that at the end of last season. No reason to think we cannot bounce straight back up if we can keep some of these players and get a decent real football manager. For me, one of the biggest issues is that all our squad have had their abilities coached out of them. If we can get a positive manager and positive attitude back, confidence will grow and we can be great next season. AA scored pot loads in the championship and he can again, IF he is coached properly and can thus regain his confidence.

[disconnect]

9 hours ago, qwertyell said:

This is my favourite piece of dysfunctional man management amongst a season jam packed with idiocy.

Mara finally got his first league goal against Man City, and Selles decided to take advantage of the potential boost to his confidence, and the possibility that he might go a bit of a run, by not giving him a single minute of action since. 

Not a single minute. Even Adam Armstrong has been playing, and he hasn't scored since before the Queen died. 

Yep, got to be playing Mara, Edozie, Sulemana now. Why even bother with Armstrong - playing the likes of him, Moi etc has sent us down. 

[S-Clarke]

17 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

I am sick to death of this "Knock the home fans" bollox!! I have had a ST every year since 1975 and watching from the terracing for 20 years before that, so I think that I can be counted as a loyal supporter. As someone else said, virtually every game the support from the beginning is always very good but in recent seasons we are continually being let down by performances on the pitch.......we have been ground down. We have won just two games at home this season......JUST TWO GAMES.... and the performances have been generally.....lets be kind.....uninspiring. It's all very well being blindly loyal, in the same way that people are blindly loyal to Political Parties, but I don't pay £600+ in advance to a Political Party......I do to Southampton Football Club and I expect something in return....some entertainment and excitement and they have not been forthcoming.....the club has become a depressing joke. I suspect that those who are continuosly moaning about the home crowd are the same ones who coined the phrase "Happy Clappers"......you need someone to knock to make yourself feel good.

As a fan base we're pretty placid really, so I've never understood any criticism directed towards the fans for the 'bad performances'. Have we tried to kill the directors like Everton fans? Have we chased our players cars down Britannia Road? No.

It's been a bit of a slow death for us all, so the players are used to losing in addition to us - it's just the routine for the weekend now, we lose football matches and has been for at least 3 years. The most these players have got from us are boos at the end of the game, given what we've had to put up with for years I think they've got off incredibly lightly.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

I was there last night. I thought the home fans were excellent - as a Forest player it must be uplifting to run out to that wall of scarves and noise. Whilst we have our Saints Brass band, and it's nice to listen to, we need to find a way of translating it into every fan on their feet before the game belting out OWTS as our anthem. Maybe Dragan & co. could leave us all a scarf on a seat for the first game of next season to try something similar to Forest. Light shows and those fire things are all well and good for US-style entertainment but what we need to generate is a proper atmosphere to let the opposition know they're at our place.

I thought we, the fans, turned out well too, tried to back the boys in the beginning but the 2 quick goals knocked the stuffing out of the team (& support) for a bit. I can't help feeling some of the "passion" we saw on the pitch afterwards was desperation rather than a real desire to fight for something. AMN, ABK - dreadful defensively and, impressively, even worse in possession. Not sure Macca did too much wrong but, equally, he didn't look like saving anything either. Kyle doesn't seem the same player, Prowsey buzzed around but is always that little bit too lightweight to be truly influential. Up front we were our usual mix of slow build up and ineffectiveness until, presumably, someone pointed out we were losing at half time and we resorted to panic and desperation. It's a massive rebuilding job, even to conspire compete in the Championship. I look forward to seeing how Jason Wilcox kicks it off!

Once again, it looked like the opposition had a shape and a plan and we lost ours when the first goals went in (if we even had one). Credit to each and every fan who went up there, got soaked but sung their hearts out. That's what we need to bring home next season and find a way to energise our fans before kick-off in the same way Forest do. I hope they stay up, their fans deserve it.

[derry]

The team and the supporters have been let down by three poor managers, one had lost the players and never knew his best team, one who was totally out of his depth, finally one who has no idea what constitutes a balanced team. Selles was at it again last night too clever by half. AMN pulled into the middle and Forest given the freedom of a big open space down our left side. We had no defence as there was no disciplined shape with the centre backs and full backs defending and the midfielders holding a disciplined line. We played kamekazi and paid for it going two goals down and conceding four.

We bring on Sulemana and KWP kept getting in front of him denying the space to use his pace. JWP sideways and backwards so much so that attacking near Forest's goal line ended up back with McCarthy.

It needs a major clear out and a proper manager not another micro managing coach with no idea of the big picture. Week in week out decent players either went out and looked around them in dispair at the dysfunctional team selections knowing they had little chance with the team weighted down with the likes of Elyounoussi and Adam Armstrong. Che Adams might be playing as a striker but he is far from that. Last night, play on the byeline, stood on his heels six yards out ball watching. He's only an occasional goalscorer, Alcaraz has four in not many appearances. The worst thing for me is the lack of organisation, the lack of team discipline and a team playing off the cuff and paying the price, Selles is a prat, a rich prat but still a prat. As for Semmens and Ankersen just total bullshitters.

Edited 9 May, 2023 by derry

[LGTL]

Forest fans were fantastic last night. We wouldn't create an atmosphere like that if we won the Champions League, and that's not a slight on our support, it's just not 'us'. 

I genuinely fear for us next season, we are in a total mess. Already people are starting to say how they think Lyanco and other utter shite will be 'great in the Championship' which is just untrue. There's some quality in that league and we are in for a rude awakening. I think we are in such dire straights that it wouldn't surprise me to go straight through that league next season, as I hold out no hope for us appointing a decent manager and still expect to see a lot of the complete dross like Armstrong and Lyanco each week.  

[saintdaz]

12 hours ago, Saint Gifford said:

Ralph, we would still be a Prem team with him. Just look at the bloke in dug out last 6 months of him being in charge, just exhausted. 
 

Not sure why Katrina is still hanging on anymore. Failed with Jao and now SR. 

 

 

 

 

I bet Katrina wishes she had sold her 20% to Sports Republlc when they took over 🤣🤣

[obelisk]

11 minutes ago, LGTL said:

We wouldn't create an atmosphere like that if we won the Champions League, and that's not a slight on our support, it's just not 'us'.

St Mary's isn't built in the style that creates atmosphere. It's a bland off-the-shelf stadium created by a committee who've never been to a football match. Oppositions were regularly intimidated at the Dell but that's now three relegations at St Mary's inside two decades.

I'd have had a 2nd tier at the Gasworks End and chucked the away fans up there as a starting point.

Edited 9 May, 2023 by obelisk

[Miltonaggro]

5 minutes ago, obelisk said:

St Mary's isn't built in the style that creates atmosphere. It's a bland off-the-shelf stadium created by a committee who've never been to a football match. Oppositions were regularly intimidated at the Dell but that's now three relegations at St Mary's inside two decades.

I'd have had a 2nd tier at the Gasworks End and chucked the away fans up there as a starting point.

Relegation should allow a rethink and the implementation of what appear to be some very easy gains in terms of improving SMS for our home games. Watch these useless cunts miss every single one.

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

Relegation should allow a rethink and the implementation of what appear to be some very easy gains in terms of improving SMS for our home games. Watch these useless cunts miss every single one.

Aren't we still waiting for new screens?

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

This game sums our season up again! We knew they'd counter attack, and we let them leave a big man up top un-bothered to bring the ball down and they had great runners off of him. If only we'd signed players in January capable of that and then actually played them together...

ABK really hasn't had a good run recently, he made their number 9 look like Haaland

1/5th of our league goals this season came in two games (Spurs and Forest) and we got 1 point from them. 

[Chez]

12 hours ago, qwertyell said:

This is my favourite piece of dysfunctional man management amongst a season jam packed with idiocy.

Mara finally got his first league goal against Man City, and Selles decided to take advantage of the potential boost to his confidence, and the possibility that he might go a bit of a run, by not giving him a single minute of action since. 

Not a single minute. Even Adam Armstrong has been playing, and he hasn't scored since before the Queen died. 

Jones did pretty much the same after Mara played well against Man City in the cup, giving him 5 minutes at Everton (albeit we won up there). After looking great against Newcastle in the cup semi final and then scoring against Blackpool in the game immediately after, he dropped him completely from the squad against Brentford (was he injured?). Not a lot of faith in him. That said, maybe he just ain't ready and I am focusing too much on hsi good displays and not enough on his poor displays (such as West Ham away). 

 

[Chez]

 

13 hours ago, Nieldy said:

Been the game,I honestly thought forest were there for the taking but the same problem all season nothing up front.

Forest were pretty poor and we dominated the game, but we left ourselves really exposed to the counter and they cut us to ribbons when they broke. As you say, up front, we looked our usual `below average selves'. Not sure Adams held the ball up once.   

[Chez]

12 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

Well I for one am not giving up hope. We're not mathematically down yet. Win the next four and we can still pull this out of the fire.

OK, but what if I told you we only had three games left?

[Chez]

11 hours ago, Brissysaint said:

I forgot about Edozie and now I’m annoyed that he froze him out for absolutely no reason. 

I think the reason was that it was difficult to remember anything useful that he did on the pitch. His time may come, but apart from a fifteen minute cameo away at Wolves in his first game, he hasn't looked like a premiership footballer this season.

[LaptopSaint]

At least we got to see some goals and some attacking intent. The one thing above the many others that has been missing this season has been entertainment. That's down to the mind-numbing risk-averse style of football. If that changes, then I'll actually look forward to some Championship away days. 

Nottingham was a bit of a dump, and a very wet one at that. Not much to say apart from that. We're fucked. 

 

[Dman]

23 minutes ago, Chez said:

I think the reason was that it was difficult to remember anything useful that he did on the pitch. His time may come, but apart from a fifteen minute cameo away at Wolves in his first game, he hasn't looked like a premiership footballer this season.

Thought he done alright when he came on last night. 

[Chez]

6 minutes ago, Dman said:

Thought he done alright when he came on last night. 

I love wingers with the balls to take players on and to keep trying, but there has to be an end product at some point and for me he flatters to deceive right now. He is not lightening quick and is lightweight. That makes it very difficult to beat someone all ends up, which is what he goes for every time. He may actually need to curb his enthusiasm just a fraction, and look to just create a yard for himself and then deliver a telling cross. I really want to watch players like him, but I have no qualms about Ralph, Jones and Selles not playing him a huge amount this season (although I guess that depends on who they did play).  I hope he can keep improving. His game needs very careful development. He needs a very good manager to ensure his talent blossoms. 

[Appy]

48 minutes ago, Chez said:

I think the reason was that it was difficult to remember anything useful that he did on the pitch. His time may come, but apart from a fifteen minute cameo away at Wolves in his first game, he hasn't looked like a premiership footballer this season.

Agreed, I don’t really see it with him, eye catching at times, but absolutely no numbers to add to it. 

[Dman]

9 minutes ago, Chez said:

I love wingers with the balls to take players on and to keep trying, but there has to be an end product at some point and for me he flatters to deceive right now. He is not lightening quick and is lightweight. That makes it very difficult to beat someone all ends up, which is what he goes for every time. He may actually need to curb his enthusiasm just a fraction, and look to just create a yard for himself and then deliver a telling cross. I really want to watch players like him, but I have no qualms about Ralph, Jones and Selles not playing him a huge amount this season (although I guess that depends on who they did play).  I hope he can keep improving. His game needs very careful development. He needs a very good manager to ensure his talent blossoms. 

In fairness, none of those managers have played with wingers. 
 

There’s a player in there for me, good asset in the championship. 

[benjii]

If Forest spend ten years in the Prem then their atmosphere will end up as shite us ours.

[Charlie Wayman]

It is strange how Lavia escapes criticism every week despite the fact that he is one half of the defensive midfield partnership that is supposed to give protection to the back four during opposition attacks, yet last night there were gaping big holes in front of the back four where Forest players were able to roam at wlll and take up scoring positions waiting for balls in from their wingers or lumped up from the back.

People always talk about how Ward Prowse is massively overhyped by the media but this lad is massively over-hyped on here in just the same way. People love to shovel the brown stuff onto our centre backs but it's about time Lavia was called out for not doing his job anywhere near well enough. Yes he's great at winning tackles but his positional sense leaves a lot to be desired. Ok he's a raw young lad but if he's good enough to be part of the team then he is old enough for criticism as well. He was more than partly to blame for their first two goals last night and the fourth.

Edited 9 May, 2023 by Charlie Wayman

[The Cat]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

If Forest spend ten years in the Prem then their atmosphere will end up as shite us ours.

I don't remember it being that good when I've been there before.

Same with Newcastle and many other clubs who suddenly go on an upward curve for a while.

[Toussaint]

34 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said:

It is strange how Lavia escapes criticism every week despite the fact that he is one half of the defensive midfield partnership that is supposed to give protection to the back four during opposition attacks, yet last night there were gaping big holes in front of the back four where Forest players were able to roam at wlll and take up scoring positions waiting for balls in from their wingers or lumped up from the back.

People always talk about how Ward Prowse is massively overhyped by the media but this lad is massively over-hyped on here in just the same way. People love to shovel the brown stuff onto our centre backs but it's about time Lavia was called out for not doing his job anywhere near well enough. Yes he's great at winning tackles but his positional sense leaves a lot to be desired. Ok he's a raw young lad but if he's good enough to be part of the team then he is old enough for criticism as well. He was more than partly to blame for their first two goals last night and the fourth.

Last night we went gung ho attack, hence the gaping holes in midfield. Gung ho would have been great if we put half of our chances away.

[spyinthesky]

I wonder if anyone could work out what our home record has been since Koeman left.

I cant remember too many games where the team actually entertained the fans at St Marys..

In recent times I can only remember the 4-1 win v Brentford last season and the 2-0 won v Man City this year.

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

It is strange how Lavia escapes criticism every week despite the fact that he is one half of the defensive midfield partnership that is supposed to give protection to the back four during opposition attacks, yet last night there were gaping big holes in front of the back four where Forest players were able to roam at wlll and take up scoring positions waiting for balls in from their wingers or lumped up from the back.

People always talk about how Ward Prowse is massively overhyped by the media but this lad is massively over-hyped on here in just the same way. People love to shovel the brown stuff onto our centre backs but it's about time Lavia was called out for not doing his job anywhere near well enough. Yes he's great at winning tackles but his positional sense leaves a lot to be desired. Ok he's a raw young lad but if he's good enough to be part of the team then he is old enough for criticism as well. He was more than partly to blame for their first two goals last night and the fourth.

He's just turned 20 in his 1st ever premier league season in a shit side and looks the best player in most of the games and you want to blame him.

The bloke does more mopping up than Katie Price's boyfriends, he's always receiving the ball on the half turn and releasing it.

Honestly I know you dont mean it but this is the worst take I've seen on the team for a while, are you related to JWP ?

Edited 9 May, 2023 by Convict Colony

[Saint IQ]

Score more than 2 goals only 3 times in a season and end up with only 2 points from those 3 games. Most games struggled to score 2 or even 1. Deserve to be bottom, horrible season.

[Pamplemousse]

28 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

I wonder if anyone could work out what our home record has been since Koeman left.

I cant remember too many games where the team actually entertained the fans at St Marys..

In recent times I can only remember the 4-1 win v Brentford last season and the 2-0 won v Man City this year.

All home games since August 2016 - W52 D42 L62 F185 A218

[sfc4prem]

2 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

All home games since August 2016 - W52 D42 L62 F185 A218

We've scored less than we've conceded over the last 6 years at home. We've won less than we've lost. Fuck.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Fuck me!!!! That’s unbelievable…….won 52? Feels a lot less than that. 

 

 

 

 

[Berkshire Saint]

I'm amazed it's as high as 52 as well, I think a fair chunk of those were in behind closed doors games. 

[LuckyNumber7]

1 hour ago, Pamplemousse said:

All home games since August 2016 - W52 D42 L62 F185 A218

I'm assuming that includes cup games. When you use just Premier League games it feels more representative...

P131  W37  D38  L56  F151  A192

Absolute dross for almost 7 full seasons now, averaging just over 5 home wins per season.

Edited 9 May, 2023 by LuckyNumber7

[Chewy]

Dreadful record. And the only time we’ve been good in that period was when the stadium was shut. No wonder I’m so f*cking miserable.

[Stud mark of doom]

1 hour ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

I'm assuming that includes cup games. When you use just Premier League games it feels more representative...

P131  W37  D38  L56  F151  A192

Absolute dross for almost 7 full seasons now, averaging just over 5 home wins per season.

Just as a 7 year comparison - the home record for our 7 years out of the top flight

W82 D44 L35

[SotonianWill]

3 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

All home games since August 2016 - W52 D42 L62 F185 A218

that doesn’t really sound that bad tbh. 

[david in sweden]

9 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

that doesn’t really sound that bad tbh. 

Probably .....a good representation of ... " an average mid / lower table "  Prem. club, but unfortunately not good enough this season. 

Ironically Forest's ONLY away win this season - was against us in January, whereas we have had 4 wins and two fairly good away draws  

but it now looks as though they may  survive , and we may go down.