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Sulemana gets a good assist in the first half, his confidence is building...tell you what, let's take him off bring on all the weaklings and try to defend for 45 minutes. When did that ever work?

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Just now, trousers said:

The thing is, we'll never know whether or not we'd have been relegated or not had Ralph not been sacked, ergo we can't say if it was the right decision or not. 

True, but given what we now know, he wouldn't have been as hopeless as Jones or Selles with his selections and subs.

At least we sometimes looked like we had some kind of plan under Ralph. That's something we haven't managed even once since he was sacked.

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4 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

At least Semmens and Co are succeeding with the Women’s team. Priorities.

I get this is tongue in cheek, but how much attention and funds do you genuinely think the women's team are diverting from the first team squad? The entire women's squad will earn in a year what JWP earns in 2 weeks.

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Just now, trousers said:

The thing is, we'll never know whether or not we'd have been relegated or not had Ralph not been sacked, ergo we can't say if it was the right decision or not. 

I will say, absolutely unequivocally and without a shadow of a doubt, that replacing Ralph with Jones and then Selles was by far the worst and most undoubtedly wrong decision of the season. He would have had us in the relegation fight, no doubt about it, but we’d be around Forest, Leeds and Bournemouth, not cut adrift, 20th, relegated 10 points from safety with our record lowest points total and utterly pathetic losses in basically every game.

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1 minute ago, OttawaSaint said:

The board clearly read this message board and take things too literally.

When I said "sack Jones and bring in someone, anyone" I kinda meant with a bit of footballing pedigree.

You did this, now all the kids are crying.

Well done!

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Damn.

Just for a while there, despite everything, we were three points off safety with a better goal difference.

As much as it’s probably still too big a gap for this team to make up now, and it’s extremely long odds, we’re still not far off.

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Hope someone on TV or radio is going to ask Selles to explain the logic of his substitutions - would love to hear what he has to say on that because he gave Newcastle complete control of the second half. Ok, they'd probably have gone on to win anyway but to hand the game to them without them having to break sweat was a disgrace.

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Just now, Jimmy_D said:

Damn.

Just for a while there, despite everything, we were three points off safety with a better goal difference.

As much as it’s probably still too big a gap for this team to make up now, and it’s extremely long odds, we’re still not far off.

Seriously….for your own sanity’s sake…just accept we are down. Because we are. 

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It was an inevitable outcome really, we took the lead so of course we weren't going to stay in front. We don't have the character to do that.

That second half flattered us, could have easily been 6, 7 or more. Credit to ABK and Bednarek for at the very least throwing themselves in on that, the rest of the team chucked it in.

Not that it isn't official already, but we'll have the R next to us after next Monday I imagine. 

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I switched off after that appalling 2nd goal where Walcott managed to put it in his own net.

Don't get taking Sulemana off. He seemed to be arguing with Selles, which is fair play to him. Not sure what the plan was with our subs.

Thought we should have changed things at HT, we'd clearly ridden our luck defensively.

Thought the ref was very poor. The freekick he gave them where they almost scored but for Mccarthy just before their first, djenepo not even sure Djenepo touched the newcastle player. 5 minutes later at 1-1 the ball goes up to Sulemana and the defender is all over him and ref ignores it.

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2 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Damn.

Just for a while there, despite everything, we were three points off safety with a better goal difference.

As much as it’s probably still too big a gap for this team to make up now, and it’s extremely long odds, we’re still not far off.

We're about a zillion miles off, it's not even debatable really. There is no chance this team gets to 30 points, not a slither. We are bottom of the league and we will stay there, quite comfortably.

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Just now, Sunglasses Ron said:

We are so fucking shit….

 

…. yet I still look at the table and think what if we beat Forest away and Fulham at home on the bounce.

What the fuck is wrong with me!

Let it go

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3 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Damn.

Just for a while there, despite everything, we were three points off safety with a better goal difference.

As much as it’s probably still too big a gap for this team to make up now, and it’s extremely long odds, we’re still not far off.

This team was relegated on Boxing Day FFS. 

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3 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Damn.

Just for a while there, despite everything, we were three points off safety with a better goal difference.

As much as it’s probably still too big a gap for this team to make up now, and it’s extremely long odds, we’re still not far off.

We will be down if we lose against forest and other results go against us. Seriously it’s been inevitable for a while, not sure why you keep trying to convince yourself it isn’t 

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18 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I like how people ignore the fact that we were 18th and only a point of safety when he was fired, without Lavia, Alcaraz, Sully and Paul, whilst simultaneously clinging to a stat which proves that Forest Green are better than Liverpool.

Ralph went after the 4-1 defeat by Newcastle - we had won 1 game in 9 in the league, the win away at Bournemouth, and lost 6. At that time there was almost unanimous approval on here for his dismissal, and just about any other team in the division would have ditched a manager with that run of form. The subsequent failures of the club ownership are irrelevant to this point.

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5 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

Damn.

Just for a while there, despite everything, we were three points off safety with a better goal difference.

As much as it’s probably still too big a gap for this team to make up now, and it’s extremely long odds, we’re still not far off.

Don't do it to yourself.

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LaptopSaint

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Worst team/manager/owners in 50 years of supporting Saints. 

Branfoot years were grim, but at least Matt Le Vaccine came on occasionally to do something ridiculous and keep us up. 


Redknapp relegation season was awful, but we occasionally showed a bit of fight and took it to the last day. 


Ankersen/Jones/Selles plus a bunch of players with no balls has ripper the heart out of our club. 
 

Half very angry, half don’t currently give a fuck. Can’t wait for the season to end. We’ll be back. 

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That was an utter shambles of a second half. 1-0 up and Selles manages to distill all of the things he's got hopelessly wrong in previous weeks and got the players to execute that. Never stretch the play when you can invite wave after wave of pressure at the back. Never get a proactive shape when you can react by getting dragged out of postion. Never give yourself a chance to retain the ball when you can hoof it in a panic. Never complete passes or show drive or passion when you can sit back and capitulate. Never give yourself a chance of holding the ball up, when you can replace players with lightweights, with none of those skills. Never give yourself a defensive chance by playing an unbalanced back line, and then weakening it by bring on a loan signing who have been incredibly poor.  Just horrendous. The only thing the players have earned is the % cut in ther wages following relegation. They've more than earned that. The only thing our coaching staff, and above, have earned are P45s. They shouldn't be around to taint whoever comes next to try and get us back up.

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1 minute ago, rooney said:

Three managers this season and still cannot win or score goals.I am beginning to think it is something to do with the players!

It's everything to do with the players, I'm surprised at how much they're let off sometimes.

But the managers are also an enabler for their shitness. It is a bit like trying to polish a turd though, that's why it's a constant tombola team selection. Nothing sticks as it's all shit.

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7 minutes ago, whelk said:

I’d be far more fucking depressed if this lot were staying up.

Yeah because you know that the board would sit on their hands all summer and we'd get less than 10pts next season. 

We might as well have a pop in the Champ. Hopefully we'll be somewhat competitive.

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7 minutes ago, Sunglasses Ron said:

We are so fucking shit….

 

…. yet I still look at the table and think what if we beat Forest away and Fulham at home on the bounce.

What the fuck is wrong with me!

Extremely unlikely but not impossible.

People often make the same mistake with chance that if something likely happens, it was always certain to happen.

Knowing something unlikely can still happen doesn’t mean thinking it’s likely to happen, or that you’re not prepared for it not happening.

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Just now, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Tessam on Solent really laying into A Armstrong,

Him and Elyounussi were a disgrace when they came on, but not as bad as AMN.

There are people who think we should keep AMN and Armstrong around for next season. I'd rather scrape my eye balls out than watch those twats play for us.

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8 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

I still don't understand why Selles has to treat every single game like a pointless international friendly.

You don't have to use all the bloody subs and change everything just because you can.

Aren't you the one who was telling everyone in February that we were already down? They've all been friendlies since then.

Anyway, I'm not sure this place would have reacted very well if Selles hadn't made any changes at all. We were hanging on from minute 1 of the 2nd half. Changes had to be made because the result was only going one way. Our issue, as I've explained a few times on here, is the squad is very similar in terms of quality and there aren't many game changing changes that can be made.

I find it very amusing that we're a few games from the end of the season, the team changes almost every single week, we've tried different combinations, formations and players throughout the whole season and we've struggled pretty much every game yet there is still a group of people on here who seem to think team selection is the issue. If we're having a pop at Selles I'd much rather we focus on his complete inability to coach any attacking plans into the team. The same can be very much said about all 3 managers we've had this season too. 

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11 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Imagine having not just one useless twat of a manager in a season, but two. Incredible from Ankersen. Useless wanker. 

But is it budgetary constraints? Rumours abound of the lump sum we are alleged to have paid Ralph to go, or the ongoing contract to continue paying to him?

Jones would have been a low wage, but £2.5M to pay to Luton, then a severance payment when he went.

We had no budget, so when Seles said "I'll do it" that would have appealed.

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Just now, Jimmy_D said:

Extremely unlikely but not impossible.

People often make the same mistake with chance that if something likely happens, it was always certain to happen.

Knowing something unlikely can still happen doesn’t mean thinking it’s likely to happen, or that you’re not prepared for it not happening.

Don't go all MLG on us! It's done, finished, stick a pin in it. No point looking into the remaining fixtures or any permutations. We will finish bottom, update Wikipedia now.

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6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Ralph went after the 4-1 defeat by Newcastle - we had won 1 game in 9 in the league, the win away at Bournemouth, and lost 6. At that time there was almost unanimous approval on here for his dismissal, and just about any other team in the division would have ditched a manager with that run of form. The subsequent failures of the club ownership are irrelevant to this point.

You’ve deliberately cut the form off just after his 7 points in 4 games at the start of the season but okay. However you try and dress it up, he scored 12 points in 14 games, with a worse squad and Diallo/AMN in CM. That ratio over 34 games would be just over 29 points, one of safety.

The subsequent failures are absolutely relevant. If we were sacking him to bring in a guy with fresh ideas and a decent pedigree, who can take us forwards then fine. If you think our squad is far too good to be in a relegation battle and that being in 18th is a disgrace for a collection of such talent then go ahead, sack him. If however you’re just looking at the season going, "oh no! Results bad! Sack manager!" Because that’s the default setting and what every club does to look like they’re taking action, then that’s terrible decision making.

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22 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I will say, absolutely unequivocally and without a shadow of a doubt, that replacing Ralph with Jones and then Selles was by far the worst and most undoubtedly wrong decision of the season. He would have had us in the relegation fight, no doubt about it, but we’d be around Forest, Leeds and Bournemouth, not cut adrift, 20th, relegated 10 points from safety with our record lowest points total and utterly pathetic losses in basically every game.

Wouldn't the reported/rumoured falling out with certain key players have been a factor in our survival chances under Ralph?

Don't get me wrong, I was one of his biggest "fan boys" but even I could see that his time had come to an end for several reasons.

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