JohnnyFartPants Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 It seems the same people are having a go at Lowe for sticking his nose in team affairs all the time yet now wish to have a pop at him for not being around when the team are playing badly, due to a holiday. Perhaps they should draw a line in the sand and stay one side or the other.
Ponty Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 I'm with you there. This place is loaded with hypocrisy though, and most of us have been guilty of it at one time or another.
70's Mike Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 I suppose the easy answer would be for him to go, thus removing the reason people blame him for everything.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 26 January, 2009 Author Posted 26 January, 2009 I suppose the easy answer would be for him to go' date=' thus removing the reason people blame him for everything.[/quote'] People don't blame "him" for everything though. People blame the Chairman for everything and despite the fact that it is Wilde, it isn't fooling anyone. My point is that at every club when things go badly the chairman gets a bashing. That won't change even if we get rid of him until we have a pot to start ****ing in again.
St. Jason Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 It seems the same people are having a go at Lowe for sticking his nose in team affairs all the time yet now wish to have a pop at him for not being around when the team are playing badly, due to a holiday. Perhaps they should draw a line in the sand and stay one side or the other. Don't see your argument here mate. The problem people have is Lowe putting his ore in the football side of things, what people are saying is as the CeO, and having just appointed a new manager, with the transfer window only open for a month, that now may not be the right time for a holiday!!!! Note, how ridiculous did that press conference look with no chairman, spokesman, club official on the top table!
70's Mike Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 People don't blame "him" for everything though. People blame the Chairman for everything and despite the fact that it is Wilde, it isn't fooling anyone. My point is that at every club when things go badly the chairman gets a bashing. That won't change even if we get rid of him until we have a pot to start ****ing in again. not sure their was much public blamimg of Crouch during his reign, Rupert is just not liked by the majority in this city, whether he is at fault or not.
Wes Tender Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 It seems the same people are having a go at Lowe for sticking his nose in team affairs all the time yet now wish to have a pop at him for not being around when the team are playing badly, due to a holiday. Perhaps they should draw a line in the sand and stay one side or the other. It really is quite easy to make the differentiation between what he ought to be doing as Chairman and what he ought not to be doing. As Chairman, he ought to keep his nose out of team selection and tactics which should be the preserve of the manager. His domain should be the hiring and firing of managers and coaches and the day to day running of the club. Simple really. You have only become confused because he has blurred the demarcation lines.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 26 January, 2009 Author Posted 26 January, 2009 Don't see your argument here mate. The problem people have is Lowe putting his ore in the football side of things, what people are saying is as the CeO, and having just appointed a new manager, with the transfer window only open for a month, that now may not be the right time for a holiday!!!! Note, how ridiculous did that press conference look with no chairman, spokesman, club official on the top table! It was essentially a reshuffle rather than an appointment. It's not as if someone new was being introduced to the club. As far as it not being the right time to take a holiday due to the transfer window, I still don't think that is an issue. People have been saying that he shouldn't be involved in choosing players and that his only involvement should be a yay or nay to whether we can afford them. He can do that on holiday by mobile phone or indeed leave the facts and figures with an understudy.
Arizona Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 Not keeping Pearson - Gross error of judgement IMO. Appointing Poortvliet - As above. Replacing him with Wotte - and there's the hattrick. Finding investment - None existent Alienating senior players - Check Interfering with transfer policy and team selection - Check These are the reasons I dislike Rupert Lowe (and others).
JohnnyFartPants Posted 26 January, 2009 Author Posted 26 January, 2009 Not keeping Pearson - Gross error of judgement IMO. Appointing Poortvliet - As above. Replacing him with Wotte - and there's the hattrick. Finding investment - None existent Alienating senior players - Check Interfering with transfer policy and team selection - Check These are the reasons I dislike Rupert Lowe (and others). All fair enough, but he is not sticking his head in things while on holiday. That is a good thing, yes?
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 All fair enough, but he is not sticking his head in things while on holiday. That is a good thing, yes? it is almost they want him there...to give them something to focus on...keeps 'em off the streets
Arizona Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 All fair enough, but he is not sticking his head in things while on holiday. That is a good thing, yes? If he was running the club with everyone's best interests at heart, I personally couldn't care if he spends his Saturday afternoons watching the ballet.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 26 January, 2009 Author Posted 26 January, 2009 If he was running the club with everyone's best interests at heart, I personally couldn't care if he spends his Saturday afternoons watching the ballet. Everyones? Impossible. Look at this forum for starters.
St. Jason Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 It was essentially a reshuffle rather than an appointment. It's not as if someone new was being introduced to the club. As far as it not being the right time to take a holiday due to the transfer window, I still don't think that is an issue. People have been saying that he shouldn't be involved in choosing players and that his only involvement should be a yay or nay to whether we can afford them. He can do that on holiday by mobile phone or indeed leave the facts and figures with an understudy. If it was just a re-shuffle why the press conference?? It's because Jan quit (if you believe that) Wotte was appointed head coach, Mike Svvenson (sp?) was appointed first team coach which all warranted a press conference yet not one club official could be arsed to attend!!!!!
JohnnyFartPants Posted 26 January, 2009 Author Posted 26 January, 2009 If it was just a re-shuffle why the press conference?? It's because Jan quit (if you believe that) Wotte was appointed head coach, Mike Svvenson (sp?) was appointed first team coach which all warranted a press conference yet not one club official could be arsed to attend!!!!! Already existing employees within a company now doing different jobs for same said company is pretty much a reshuffle in my book. You make it sound as if "Press Conference" is not allowed to be used for this. Surely it will still be in the papers?
rocknrollman no2 Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 Well im mad with Lowe because he wont be there on Saturday,therefore he wont be able to hear the abuse i will be shouting.
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 If it was just a re-shuffle why the press conference?? !!! why not...after all we do have a new manager in charge of the first team....
Mr X Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 If it was just a re-shuffle why the press conference?? It's because Jan quit (if you believe that) Wotte was appointed head coach, Mike Svvenson (sp?) was appointed first team coach which all warranted a press conference yet not one club official could be arsed to attend!!!!! We don't know that for sure though thats an assumption
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 If it was just a re-shuffle why the press conference?? It's because Jan quit (if you believe that) Wotte was appointed head coach, Mike Svvenson (sp?) was appointed first team coach which all warranted a press conference yet not one club official could be arsed to attend!!!!! how do you know..?
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 Not keeping Pearson - Gross error of judgement IMO. Appointing Poortvliet - As above. Replacing him with Wotte - and there's the hattrick. Finding investment - None existent Alienating senior players - Check Interfering with transfer policy and team selection - Check These are the reasons I dislike Rupert Lowe (and others). Absolutely. Lowe is judged on his record. It's as simple as that.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 26 January, 2009 Author Posted 26 January, 2009 Absolutely. Lowe is judged on his record. It's as simple as that. Does that include an FA Cup final and a new stadium?
St. Jason Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 Already existing employees within a company now doing different jobs for same said company is pretty much a reshuffle in my book. You make it sound as if "Press Conference" is not allowed to be used for this. Surely it will still be in the papers? South today, meridian and the all thought it was all a pretty big deal. Even if your right and its just a reshuffle surely Jans resignation warranted a few words from one of our chairmen during the press conference, all the other 11 managers departures have been accompanied with a press conference! Note. i am anti-Lowe, 100% but this is not bashing Lowe, but have you ever seen a press conference with out a club official, anywhere??
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 Does that include an FA Cup final and a new stadium? The cup final where we got a **** easy run and then lost? In the season that followed Lowe failed to back Strachan in the transfer market and the rot set in. As for the new stadium i think we should thank the city council for making it happen. Lowe ****ed up the Stoneham plans and were it not for the city council we'd still be at the Dell.
um pahars Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 Does that include an FA Cup final and a new stadium? Speaking for myself, absolutely. A pat on the back and a wedge in the pocket when he gets it right, a kick in the balls and a P45 when he continually gets it wrong. But getting back to your opening post, I'm surprised you are confused. After all I think most of us want him doing things a football CEO does and not the things a CEO shouldn't be doing (e.g. deal with negotiations as opposed to targeting players, employing the manager as opposed to meddling with team affairs, turning up on matchdays as opposed to mossing them)
Fowllyd Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 It was essentially a reshuffle rather than an appointment. It's not as if someone new was being introduced to the club. As far as it not being the right time to take a holiday due to the transfer window, I still don't think that is an issue. People have been saying that he shouldn't be involved in choosing players and that his only involvement should be a yay or nay to whether we can afford them. He can do that on holiday by mobile phone or indeed leave the facts and figures with an understudy. All fair enough, but he is not sticking his head in things while on holiday. That is a good thing, yes? Depends on whether he's remembered to pack his mobile phone I guess...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 The cup final where we got a **** easy run and then lost? In the season that followed Lowe failed to back Strachan in the transfer market and the rot set in. As for the new stadium i think we should thank the city council for making it happen. Lowe ****ed up the Stoneham plans and were it not for the city council we'd still be at the Dell. very selective so...everything that is/was bad is lowe's fault.. everything that was/is good has to be cherry picked at.. added you wont back the manager if he keeps us up.. you are just as bad as lowe IMO...no wonder you need him so much
aintforever Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 It seems the same people are having a go at Lowe for sticking his nose in team affairs all the time yet now wish to have a pop at him for not being around when the team are playing badly, due to a holiday. Perhaps they should draw a line in the sand and stay one side or the other. You are easily confused.
St. Jason Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 how do you know..? Because there was only 3 people there, Wotte, Mike & Gorre, simple really! South Today, The Echo and Meridian all reported that niether chairman atended!
Channon's Sideburns Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 It was essentially a reshuffle rather than an appointment. It's not as if someone new was being introduced to the club. As far as it not being the right time to take a holiday due to the transfer window, I still don't think that is an issue. People have been saying that he shouldn't be involved in choosing players and that his only involvement should be a yay or nay to whether we can afford them. He can do that on holiday by mobile phone or indeed leave the facts and figures with an understudy. I think the issue is that when Poortvliet was unveiled, it was an all singing, all dancing Rupert-led Press Conference...and then we asked - why not the Football Chairman??? Now, as Pt2 of the experiment comes into play, nothing. I think the general gist is that Rupert needs to make his mind up about what he wants to be SEEN to be doing. Rupert's absence will probably be pre-arranged months ago...but you would expect the Football Chairman to step in.... However this is Wilde, more elusive than Lord Lucan, Shergar and Elvis all mixed in a food blender... If Rupert wants to be the 'face' of the club, it's very simple. Tell Mike Wilde to spin on it...
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 very selective so...everything that is/was bad is lowe's fault.. everything that was/is good has to be cherry picked at.. added you wont back the manager if he keeps us up.. you are just as bad as lowe IMO...no wonder you need him so much Where have i said everything he's done is bad? Where have i said i won't back the dutch clown if he keeps us up? (it's my view that he won't keep us up) When you say i'm just as bas as Lowe that's your opinion. I think you are just the same as Wilde.
St. Jason Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 Does that include an FA Cup final and a new stadium? Of course it includes the fa cup and the stadium, unfortunately that is the highlight of his 12 years. The fa cup was the highlight of 25 years of watching Saints, I had tears in my eyes as the camera zoomed in to the team coach. I was in the prince of Wales pub (i think) in Cardiff before the game, couldn't believe we, Saints, Southampton Football Club were at the final. He never built on that though did he, that was the time to build, to move on, to push on. As for the stadium, I love it, but is it not the stadium debt that is putting us on the verge of admin!
DaveyR Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 I think you're all McGoldricks. That's below the belt, over the bar, past the post.
Arizona Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 Everyones? Impossible. Look at this forum for starters. I think we all have the same basic interests. Financial stability, a balanced first team squad with quality players and ultimately promotion. Yes I know you aren't going to please everyone no matter how well you run the club, but Lowe doesn't seem to bothered about pleasing anyone. His selections of managers have been wrong and are based more on a desire to do it his way, rather than the right man for the job.
Frank's cousin Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 I'm with you there. This place is loaded with hypocrisy though, and most of us have been guilty of it at one time or another. In mitigation, I would not call it hypoccracy, more that all the chaaraters in this soap opera seem to change sides, mind do so good some bad, you feel like you should criticise one minute then not and end up in a confuse mess, because there is also teh huge pressure on here to conform to the so called 'greater good' - cyberbullying tactics from both sides etc...
cellone Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 If it was the appointment of a 1st team manager I would expect to see at least 2 smug grins hanging out the back of it, but as already pointed out by others this is a re-shuffle of a managerless team of training staff.
St. Jason Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 If it was the appointment of a 1st team manager I would expect to see at least 2 smug grins hanging out the back of it, but as already pointed out by others this is a re-shuffle of a managerless team of training staff. As already stated, does poor old Jan not deserve a few words??
aintforever Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 You would expect someone there to introduce the new manager. My guess is that it should have been Wilde's duty, as he's the football chairman. The spineless weasel naturally bottled it and lowe refused to pick up his mess leaving the new manager to introduce himself.
St. Jason Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 how do you know..? http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/
St. Jason Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 You would expect someone there to introduce the new manager. My guess is that it should have been Wilde's duty, as he's the football chairman. The spineless weasel naturally bottled it and lowe refused to pick up his mess leaving the new manager to introduce himself. Wilde is spineless and is a weasel but i don't think its his mess (the finances etc he's got loads to answer to) every press release from players, managers, coaches etc all quote Lowe, they all say "I spoke to the chairman, Mr. Lowe and he said" they never, ever mention Wilde, he's only footy chairman in name, nothing else!
ottery st mary Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 That's below the belt, over the bar, past the post. And hit the corner flag and row 27 of the terraces.
cellone Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 St Jason, Jan is a mere blot of a minor error from the plan's of one of the greatest football minds the sport has ever been blessed with. It's in the past now and we need to move on to the next ingenius stage of this visonary messiahs plan.
Mr X Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 (edited) http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/ So u assume because the daily echo didn't show a video of it they weren't there? I know the article hints they weren't but it cant be taken as gospel, they prob werent there though it wouldn't suprise me Edited 26 January, 2009 by Mr X
trousers Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 It seems the same people are having a go at Lowe for sticking his nose in team affairs all the time yet now wish to have a pop at him for not being around when the team are playing badly, due to a holiday. Perhaps they should draw a line in the sand and stay one side or the other. These two 'sides' aren't mutually exclusive.
Teddy Nutkins Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 St Jason, Jan is a mere blot of a minor error from the plan's of one of the greatest football minds the sport has ever been blessed with. It's in the past now and we need to move on to the next ingenius stage of this visonary messiahs plan. That is very-good and something that may be copied and kept to be read out at the next AGM.
saintstr1 Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 Does that include an FA Cup final and a new stadium? You think Lowe is great and that he got us to a Cup final ? , He didn't , Strachan did. We lost that one by the way, But the one we won in 1976 Lowe prefers to eradicate that memory and replace it with a Train picture......... yeh Lowe is fantastic ambassador for SFC,......I Dont Think so!!
Thedelldays Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 You think Lowe is great and that he got us to a Cup final ? , He didn't , Strachan did. We lost that one by the way, But the one we won in 1976 Lowe prefers to eradicate that memory and replace it with a Train picture......... yeh Lowe is fantastic ambassador for SFC,......I Dont Think so!! you might as well say lowe did NOT get us relegated...arry did...
georgeg Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 St Jason, Jan is a mere blot of a minor error from the plan's of one of the greatest football minds the sport has ever been blessed with. It's in the past now and we need to move on to the next ingenius stage of this visonary messiahs plan. oh sh*t ..... heeeeeeelppp please someone save us from lowe ..... please
alpine_saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 It seems the same people are having a go at Lowe for sticking his nose in team affairs all the time yet now wish to have a pop at him for not being around when the team are playing badly, due to a holiday. Perhaps they should draw a line in the sand and stay one side or the other. I feel sorry for you that you cannot see that the role of plc chairman represents a middle ground somewhere between the two.........
alpine_saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 Note, how ridiculous did that press conference look with no chairman, spokesman, club official on the top table! Indeed, F**king ridiculous, and only emphasises how leaderless the club is.
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